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    Does anybody know what the rocket ship at 75 Street and Roper Road is all about.
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    Another piece of refinery equipment. There was a move on the weekend at the SAME TIME the LRT bridge girders were being lifted, so both 51 Ave and Whitemud were backed up all the way to 91 St.

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    I noticed Councilors Cartmell and Nickle opposed the WLRT. WLRT won't be in operation until 2027?

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    https://globalnews.ca/video/5006992/...-lrt-is-faster

    Guess this was already known, but still.

    Spoilers: Capital line is faster (!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I noticed Councilors Cartmell and Nickle opposed the WLRT. WLRT won't be in operation until 2027?

    Yikes.
    Mike would make a great mayor, he's not lefty enough though..LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I noticed Councilors Cartmell and Nickle opposed the WLRT. WLRT won't be in operation until 2027?

    Yikes.
    Mike would make a great mayor, he's not lefty enough though..LOL
    You truly are delusional. Mike is nothing more than a self absorbed boasting headline grabber. No substance to this man at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I noticed Councilors Cartmell and Nickle opposed the WLRT. WLRT won't be in operation until 2027?

    Yikes.
    Mike would make a great mayor, he's not lefty enough though..LOL
    You truly are delusional. Mike is nothing more than a self absorbed boasting headline grabber. No substance to this man at all.
    Sounds like the mayor of Edmonton, and half of the council,excluding Mike.
    Do you really think I care, what you think of him? ..LOL

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    Well it should be interesting to see if it will be that much slower or if they are being conservative in their time estimates. Its hard to judge with a line that you can actually time out comparing to one that is still using hypothetical time estimates.

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    The train is going to be fast from MW to just south of Bonnie Doon, then it is going to crawl until the top of Connors Hill and then be fast again.

    The choice to service the Holyrood Garden lands (which might actually get developed) and Strathearn Apartment lands (that look like they will never get redeveloped) and the request (I believe) from the mall owner's to keep the train at grade put a giant bottle neck in the middle of the route.

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    The time it'll be to take the train from Mill Woods to Downtown is known. The impacts on traffic and flow is not fully known.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    The train is going to be fast from MW to just south of Bonnie Doon, then it is going to crawl until the top of Connors Hill and then be fast again.

    The choice to service the Holyrood Garden lands (which might actually get developed) and Strathearn Apartment lands (that look like they will never get redeveloped) and the request (I believe) from the mall owner's to keep the train at grade put a giant bottle neck in the middle of the route.
    It will move at the legal speed limit. Hardly a crawl.

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    I calculated the following distances using Google Maps:

    Downtown to Muttart - 2.3 km (5 min)
    Downtown to Bonnie Doon - 5.5 km (6 min)
    Downtown to Davies Station - 8.0 km (4 min)
    Downtown to Millbourne - 11.0 km (5 min)
    Downtown to Mill Woods - 13.0 km (4 min)

    Estimated Travel Time: 24 minutes

    I assumed 40-50 km/hr in the river valley, 40 km/hr downtown, 50-60 km/h on 75 Street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    The train is going to be fast from MW to just south of Bonnie Doon, then it is going to crawl until the top of Connors Hill and then be fast again.

    The choice to service the Holyrood Garden lands (which might actually get developed) and Strathearn Apartment lands (that look like they will never get redeveloped) and the request (I believe) from the mall owner's to keep the train at grade put a giant bottle neck in the middle of the route.
    It will move at the legal speed limit. Hardly a crawl.
    What does that even mean?

    It's going to hit 3 stops, hit lights at 82ave and the former traffic circle and be extremely limited in speed moving from 86st to 95ave.

    It's going to take a long time comparatively to cover that short distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I calculated the following distances using Google Maps:

    Downtown to Muttart - 2.3 km (5 min)
    Downtown to Bonnie Doon - 5.5 km (6 min)
    Downtown to Davies Station - 8.0 km (4 min)
    Downtown to Millbourne - 11.0 km (5 min)
    Downtown to Mill Woods - 13.0 km (4 min)

    Estimated Travel Time: 24 minutes

    I assumed 40-50 km/hr in the river valley, 40 km/hr downtown, 50-60 km/h on 75 Street.
    You are missing all the stops. Add 1-2 mins per and you have your 32mins end to end.

    It's going to take 10mins between 82ave and the top of Connors Hill. 3 stops , 2 major intersections, the tightest turn on the route.

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    I think the stops will be around 30 seconds. Also, I'm guessing that the LRT will be getting priority signals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I think the stops will be around 30 seconds. Also, I'm guessing that the LRT will be getting priority signals.
    Then your average speed for sections is way off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    Well it should be interesting to see if it will be that much slower or if they are being conservative in their time estimates. Its hard to judge with a line that you can actually time out comparing to one that is still using hypothetical time estimates.
    Yep. Theres a lot of misinformation as well. 32mins is not afairc the projected time that it WILL take its instead the time that is minimally acceptable. i.e. the project is supposed to deliver no more than 32min transit times. The actual delivery could be considerably faster. That isn't really known for sure until test runs are done. I would expect it will come in at 25-30mins.


    Another thing is that there is no way that the two lines are equidistant. While the terminus of MWTV is 28th avenue, 5 blocks north of Century Park, the terminus is also around 30blocks EAST of DT whereas Century park is only 10blocks West of DT.

    What is the ACTUAL Length of the respective lines. Valley should be longer. If it isn't that's one victory in the chosen line path itself. One of the efficiencies of the Capital line is it meanders West to South University. Not too much, but not the shortest distance travelled.


    Valley line has the advantage of a path to DT that is more as the crow flies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Another thing is that there is no way that the two lines are equidistant. While the terminus of MWTV is 28th avenue, 5 blocks north of Century Park, the terminus is also around 30blocks EAST of DT whereas Century park is only 10blocks West of DT.

    What is the ACTUAL Length of the respective lines. Valley should be longer. If it isn't that's one victory in the chosen line path itself. One of the efficiencies of the Capital line is it meanders West to South University. Not too much, but not the shortest distance travelled.
    Actually, the physical lengths of Valley line Southeast and Capital line South (Century Park to Churchill) are very comparable. Keep in mind that the Capital line jogs east 'towards centre' at Argyll whereas the same jog is 'away from centre' for Valley line at Wagner. Otherwise the alignments are 83 st and 114 st, equidistant from Gateway.

    Capital line on that stretch also has less stops, although if the infill stations for Lendrum and Ainlay are ever built it'll be even as well.
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    I understand Transed's desire to finish as soon as possible but closing 95th avenue has huge costs to the businesses along it and to the city. The businesses will do what they can to reduce expenses by laying people off. If they go broke the city receives no taxes from them.

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    Another flyover segment has been placed at the east side of 75 Street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    I understand Transed's desire to finish as soon as possible but closing 95th avenue has huge costs to the businesses along it and to the city. The businesses will do what they can to reduce expenses by laying people off. If they go broke the city receives no taxes from them.
    TransEd should compensate the businesses affected by this.
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    Taken March 17, 2019

    March construction 2019
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    This is looking south on 83 Street, around 71 avenue. This is where the tracks will eventually go.


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    Also, when I drove past the Strathern area it looked a total mess but you'd never know it was for the LRT. Maybe they got most of the work underground done, I hope, but no evidence of being anywhere near of even starting, no wonder they are behind schedule.

    Also, They finally reopened a lane in each direction at 31 avenue to access towards Grey Nuns. Hopefully everything, including the roads south of the Whitemud will be completed by late spring. Even if the trains aren't running yet at least it would be nice to see the area without any construction. Although with that said, very little has been done on 28 Ave where Millwoods Town Center station and Bus terminal are to be located. Yes they have been rearranging the roads and part of that is sorta done but if you were to go there you would not be able to tell where the station and bus terminal will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    Taken March 17, 2019

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    This is looking south on 83 Street, around 71 avenue. This is where the tracks will eventually go.


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    Also, when I drove past the Strathern area it looked a total mess but you'd never know it was for the LRT. Maybe they got most of the work underground done, I hope, but no evidence of being anywhere near of even starting, no wonder they are behind schedule.
    You are correct in saying it has been all underground work, which continues.

    As for being near ready to start, if they announce the full closure, which is still an unknown, they will be stripping the area in a hurry.

    Even if they don't do the full closure there is going to be a lot going on once the frost is out of the ground.

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    How much more drainage work do they have to do???
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    I'm surprised that IanO hasn't posted this yet

    A good @yegvalleyLRT @transedlrt update today. We will see a lot of work on 102 Avenue this year including track and platform work. Expect to have major disruptions at 97st, 100st, 101st, timing to be confirmed.






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    I imagine that much of the work will start once university is out.
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    Well I think there goes the "5 corners"

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    Falling schedule performance again.

    The more work one the 95ave, the more I'd be on board for a full closure of 95ave just to get it over with, but for the impact to businesses.

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    What's the point of that parking lot?

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    To compensate for the lack of street parking?
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    Cutting down the traffic signalling at Jasper/95 St from 3 cycles to 2 cycles should be a good thing.
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    Too fill in space?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post

    What's the point of that parking lot?
    What parking lot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
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    What's the point of that parking lot?
    What parking lot?
    I guess the 4 spaces just south of the empty lot with the trees around it.

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    From Saturday, March 23, 2019.


    Tawatinâ Bridge (constr. 2019.03.23)a small by Spi11, on Flickr

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    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
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    What's the point of that parking lot?
    What parking lot?
    I guess the 4 spaces just south of the empty lot with the trees around it.
    Jeez, I completely missed that.
    Can only be for maintenance (cause of the tunnel??) or replace some on street parking. Seems kind of unnecessary.

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    About half of that or less is for an actual green park.
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    Looks like the first metal girder is up on the Tawatina Bridge.
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    Is there going to be 2 support spans or just the one?
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    Community updates: http://transedlrt.ca/resources/
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    So it appeared that they were prepping to move and install another bridge span into place from the Wagner staging area. It would be nice if they could install at least two spans per weekend if possible.

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    Looking at the Great Road 102nd Ave bridge failure and the FIU footbridge failure, I'm willing to let them install the span as safely and carefully as possible

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    Oh I agree, it just seems though that they should be able to do two spans comfortably over a weekend period.

    On a side note, I was just thinking about the elevated sections in the future west line near WEM and sorta curious where they can have a similar staging area as they have here at Wagner. I can imagine that its been way more helpful to form and pour the spans as close as possible to their final resting point.

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    Anyone have any construction update photos of this? I haven’t been to that side of the city in a long time.

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    I have a few that I will post later today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    Two, I believe
    Thanks. Its confirmed for 2.
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    Took some shots of the river valley bridge construction this evening







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    They have so much left on that bridge, I hope they are using pre cast spans or something.

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    Taken on Saturday April 6, 2019
    A few of the pictures I took this last Saturday. I will try to get some more shots when I can take a walk along the route.


    valley_11
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    Thanks for the photos!
    Really like the elevated section, too bad they could have made the entire line elevated from the whitemud to the river crossing.

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    Interesting when I here people say this project is stalled and you go along the route and see how much is actually done. Also interesting to see all the ground thaw equipment out. Looking form my office out along Connors road and there is lots of dust rising form the site today

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalancedOP View Post
    Interesting when I here people say this project is stalled and you go along the route and see how much is actually done. Also interesting to see all the ground thaw equipment out. Looking form my office out along Connors road and there is lots of dust rising form the site today
    It's not stalled, there was a winter shutdown in areas such as along 102ave in the Downtown core and it is a year behind in other areas. I don't think anyone said it was stalled just that it wasn't moving very fast in certain sections.
    That was a true statement and over winter some areas (for good reason civil winter work is expensive) didn't progress at all, there has been a significant ramp up March/April and I'm sure this weather has helped them out get going earlier and harder at it.

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    I am being told that they have 3-4 work-arounds to get them back on or near to on-schedule.
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    I'd be happy enough to get 75th Street back in order. Between the usual abysmal lane-marking job and the lack of decent lighting, it's a nightmare driving thorough there after dark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    I am being told that they have 3-4 work-arounds to get them back on or near to on-schedule.
    The magic regain a year is lost schedule in two years trick.
    Best of luck to them, they have a huge task ahead.

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    So I went to the info session in Mill woods the other day and they were quite helpful with their answers. So according to them the sections being elevated into place are continuing to go well, they can typically do approximately 1 per evenings, so a possible two over a weekend period. Once they get to wagner ravine the sections will be cast in place due to the very uneven ground at the base of the pylons. The first section from the maintenance facility to Millwoods station is priority right now and will be done asap so they can begin running the train for testing. That whole section should be 100% completed by late summer/fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I calculated the following distances using Google Maps:

    Downtown to Muttart - 2.3 km (5 min)
    Downtown to Bonnie Doon - 5.5 km (6 min)
    Downtown to Davies Station - 8.0 km (4 min)
    Downtown to Millbourne - 11.0 km (5 min)
    Downtown to Mill Woods - 13.0 km (4 min)

    Estimated Travel Time: 24 minutes

    I assumed 40-50 km/hr in the river valley, 40 km/hr downtown, 50-60 km/h on 75 Street.
    You are missing all the stops. Add 1-2 mins per and you have your 32mins end to end.

    It's going to take 10mins between 82ave and the top of Connors Hill. 3 stops , 2 major intersections, the tightest turn on the route.
    Late response but the BD to Connors hill segment doesn't even take 10mins on the #8 bus which has more stops and experiences traffic load. A lot of misinformation in this thread as well. The 32mins is the allotted Maximum time stipulated that the project has to deliver. The likelihood is that its going to be quicker than that. Some of the current MWTC to DT busses clock in at around 40 or more minutes and with more stops and circuitous routes, for instance through Lakewood and Millbourne.
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    Or they did and are doing the best the can for the project and city?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Eh having 95ave be torn up for two years would suck. It sucks now with it open. This will actually better for residents imo, but for the businesses it's not a good thing.

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    Did people even read the article? Its closed for 33 weeks to speed up the construction and to return the walkway and roads to residents by the end of 2019. A year earlier than planned. Short term pain for long term gain.

    Cry me a river as well while some local residents complain its been hell. Try living on the Edge of Millwoods neighborhoods as areas just adjacent, whole neighborhoods are under constant construction for around 10 years. Additionally years of Henday construction nearby. Didn't complain about it, didn't get my picture in the paper whining that I can't sleep, or about the constant dust. It was accepted as necessary improvments and pain and longterm gain and knowing we live 6-7blocks from a Tuc.

    A lot of Edmontonians have experienced decades of new entire neighborhoods being built nearby. The price most of us have paid, willingly, for an expanding and vital City. Yet here are some sleepy nimby residents living central in a major city complaining about construction and noise. While they live in one of the most peaceful central neighborhoods found on the planet.

    EVERYBODY, living in any border suburb in the city over the last 20years has experienced more disruption, and much longer term, than what is caused by the short term build LRT line.

    A little perspective people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    Or they did and are doing the best the can for the project and city?
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    Depends on what you mean by the best. I think better would be less concrete slab track use concrete ties instead, with the savings going to more bridges or tunnels. Because of the relatively light loads the maintenance cost of tie and ballast will probably never exceed the construction cost of slab.
    Best would be a fast system that gets you from Mill Woods to downtown in 15 minutes.

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    Even for you two this amount of water hauling is beyond the pale. I truly hope the cheque is in the mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajs View Post
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    Or they did and are doing the best the can for the project and city?
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    I won't be complaining when my condo isn't renting so easily while the construction out front of my building is taking place west of Alex Decoteau Park. This is a project designed to benefit the entire city, and the ones that benefit the most from it complaining about road closures just comes off as a little selfish to me.
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    I understand trains will slow traffic, but 45 minutes from Mill Woods to downtown doesn't even benefit the train riders.
    If you want a good system that will get people out of cars it needs to be cheap or faster than cars, if it is both even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Depends on what you mean by the best. I think better would be less concrete slab track use concrete ties instead, with the savings going to more bridges or tunnels. Because of the relatively light loads the maintenance cost of tie and ballast will probably never exceed the construction cost of slab.
    Best would be a fast system that gets you from Mill Woods to downtown in 15 minutes.
    That's a COE issue, not TransEd. TransEd is building what the COE asked for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
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    Well that's repainting a portion of the picture. They are mitigating their significant delay, I think if you really go into it, that is the primary motivation because this was not their original execution plan.
    It happens that this will minimize the impact on the residents who live right on this extremely disruptive project but will have other negative effects on the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    I understand trains will slow traffic, but 45 minutes from Mill Woods to downtown doesn't even benefit the train riders.
    If you want a good system that will get people out of cars it needs to be cheap or faster than cars, if it is both even better.
    I believe there is a guarantee of 32 min MW to Downtown. Why are you stating 45mins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    I understand trains will slow traffic, but 45 minutes from Mill Woods to downtown doesn't even benefit the train riders.
    If you want a good system that will get people out of cars it needs to be cheap or faster than cars, if it is both even better.
    I believe there is a guarantee of 32 min MW to Downtown. Why are you stating 45mins?
    I was going from my memory, which was wrong, might even be 30 minutes, but with a few fewer stops, less tight curves and fewer crossings it could have travelled mostly 80 km/h and been a fast way to get halfway across the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Depends on what you mean by the best. I think better would be less concrete slab track use concrete ties instead, with the savings going to more bridges or tunnels. Because of the relatively light loads the maintenance cost of tie and ballast will probably never exceed the construction cost of slab.
    Best would be a fast system that gets you from Mill Woods to downtown in 15 minutes.
    That's a COE issue, not TransEd. TransEd is building what the COE asked for.
    We know the great track record (pun intended) that the city has had for the past 20 years with LRT and bridges over budget and finishing late

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    I understand trains will slow traffic, but 45 minutes from Mill Woods to downtown doesn't even benefit the train riders.
    If you want a good system that will get people out of cars it needs to be cheap or faster than cars, if it is both even better.
    I believe there is a guarantee of 32 min MW to Downtown. Why are you stating 45mins?
    I was going from my memory, which was wrong, might even be 30 minutes, but with a few fewer stops, less tight curves and fewer crossings it could have travelled mostly 80 km/h and been a fast way to get halfway across the city.
    The line is travelling through mostly populated areas and with in many situations likelihood that somebody could wander on the track. Surface rail like this always has that as a possibility, and that there could be accidents, deaths involving pedestrians (or even drivers not heeding signals and crossings.

    In a city that has adopted an approach to reducing speed limits of roadways to reduce potential deaths it was probably never the goal to have a train moving through an urban area as fast 80km.

    When this is finished it would not surprise me if the actual times are more in line of 28-30mins. Again the 32 minutes time is maximum allowable as per the design and contract. It can exceed that. 30mins would be quite acceptable, and comparable to drive times and better when not having to find a parking spot and enter/exit parkade is considered. Driving DT features the expense, and chore of having to find a parking spot or drive to it. Then to pay for it. Conversely I love just being able to get off public transit wherever you want to be and not have to worry about parking, alotted times, etc.
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    I took pics of the Cloverdale/Muttart sections of the LRT construction a couple of evenings ago:













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    A few update pictures from today from my cell. Tuesday April 23, 2019

    Looking northwards at the Grey Nuns station. They were doing another pour north of the station.

    Valley line construction
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    Looking southwards from the Grey Nuns Station location. Another crew also doing a pour on the track base towards Mill Woods towncenter.

    Valley line construction
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    Looking southwards at the overhead spans leading to the future Wagner station. Three more sections and the station will be connected to the approach ramp.

    Valley line construction
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    Looking northwards at the Wagner station. I noticed they are doing some sort of work or repairs on a few sections just like seen in this picture.

    Valley line construction
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    They have begun installation of the roof at Wagner station.

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    It appears as though they pour a concrete base to tie the tracks onto, why do they not construct the rails for the LRT in the same fashion as the lines for a freight train? You know, a gravel bed with concrete/wood ties and the rails laid on top. The twinned CN line through most of parkland county took little time to build and is deemed safe to move dangerous goods such as hydrocarbons, why wouldn’t this same method be used for LRT?

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    Because the concrete slab looks nicer. Concrete slab has about a 20 year payoff on heavy rail because with ties and ballast, the rails flex and you need to replace rail and adjust the track for settling. But this isn't a huge problem with LRT weights, there really isn't much of a payoff.

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    Very interesting. I’d like read more about the decision process on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Because the concrete slab looks nicer. Concrete slab has about a 20 year payoff on heavy rail because with ties and ballast, the rails flex and you need to replace rail and adjust the track for settling. But this isn't a huge problem with LRT weights, there really isn't much of a payoff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GranaryMan View Post
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    Because the concrete slab looks nicer. Concrete slab has about a 20 year payoff on heavy rail because with ties and ballast, the rails flex and you need to replace rail and adjust the track for settling. But this isn't a huge problem with LRT weights, there really isn't much of a payoff.
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    There is also the space required. South LRT has ballast the entire length to keep the ballast in position and make the whole thing look tidy. These are not cheap to build. The NE line has such a wide ROW that you can "spill" ballast like a traditional freight train line but it also looks like an old freight train line.

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    Ballast could be contained with a simple curb, it's not expensive or difficult, and it's much more easy to maintain; ties can be replaced overnight, road crossings on the NE line were replaced in a weekend but direct-fixed to cast-in-place plinths is a much more involved job.

    It makes sense far from level crossings but I have doubts anywhere near road crossings and their salt and sand.
    In-slab rails like sections of the NAIT line are even more problematic, with poor drainage and more difficult rebuilds; some sections are in pretty poor shape already.
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    When you consider the car envelope there isn't much additional width for ballasted track vs. slab, it really boils down (for LRT) it looks nicer.
    I have no problems with the NE line right beside the bike trail, not sure why we need decorative fencing, automatic sidewalk gates and concrete walls.

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    In my mind i see the LRT being constructed quicker and cheaper (meaning more lines able to be built) if they used the ballast system like a freight line. But I’m not a civil engineer, or city planner.

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    So on my way to work this morning (3:00 am) I noticed they had workers at the Bonnie Doon traffic circle.
    Also the first half of the concrete track base in the circle has now been poured.

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