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    I was driving home at approx. 5:15, then the Environment Canada alert was issued about the conditions by Ponoka. It was on most of the radio stations I flipped through. Then at home at about 5:45 I was watching something I had PVR'd, another alert actually overrode my PVR show. I could not change channels or anything.
    Was surprised at the integration of how this all worked. Good to know that we have an emergency system that can be activated like that.

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    Unfortunately the computer generated voice was difficult to understand.

    Environment Canada automated tornado warning hard to understand

    Given the number of odd place names and the importance of the information perhaps they should stick to recording an actual human reading the alert.

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    The alert that caused such confusion on Thursday wasn't generated by Alberta Emergency Management Agency, which has come under criticism in the past for audio issues.

    Instead, the message came from Alert Ready which is run by Environment Canada.
    Many years ago the emergency broadcast message originated from CKUA Radio. If there was a severe weather warning, Environment Canada would send the info to CKUA. They will produce the message and relay it to all of the other broadcasters.

    However a stingy premier named Ralph Klein decided to save pennies and sourced out the warning system to a company in Ontario.

    Now the article states there were compatibility issues between Alberta Emergency Management Agency and Environment Canada's Alert Ready. Welcome to the world of Robocall weather warnings!

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    New Edmonton rainfall data website.

    EDMONTON - Edmonton storm watchers can now check online to see how much rain has fallen in different parts of the city and how much impact it’s having.

    The city has put information from its 30 rain gauges in the region into the open data catalogue.

    “People are concerned about weather when it happens, and what it can do in their neighbourhood,” senior drainage engineer Scott Vatcher said Monday. “This is really meant to show that the rainfall in Edmonton can be pretty variable depending on where you are.”

    For example, while about 25 millimetres fell in Sherwood Park over the previous day, only 2.3 millimetres was recorded a short distance north in Clover Bar.
    https://data.edmonton.ca/

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    http://weather.gc.ca/warnings/report...0501ws1676cwwg

    Alerts for: City of Edmonton - St. Albert - Sherwood Park
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    11:20 AM CST Tuesday 26 January 2016
    Special weather statement in effect for:

    City of Edmonton - St. Albert - Sherwood Park
    An upper level disturbance will make its way across central Alberta this afternoon into this evening bringing with it an area of showers. Though daytime temperatures will climb above freezing in most areas, roadways and sidewalks will remain frozen which will likely become icy once the rain falls on it. Also of note, this system has the potential to create moderate rain showers where local accumulations could reach 5 to 10 mm. If sufficient drainage is not available, this could lead to some localized flooding.

    Please continue to monitor alerts and forecasts issued by Environment Canada. To report severe weather, send an email to [email protected] or tweet reports to #ABStorm.

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    Default Rain, Finally

    Based on amounts that have already fallen and are forecast looks like the Edmonton area will receive at least 70mm of rain before the low pressure system leaves the province on Tuesday.

    Hasn't done much for my Victoria Day weekend gardening plans, but the rain is nevertheless most welcome.

    The only part of the province that doesn't seem to have received lots of precipitation so far is northeastern Alberta which needs it the most. Though the Jimmy Lake radar station is showing a fairly intense cell moving toward the Fort Mc area as I am writing this.

    http://weather.gc.ca/radar/index_e.html?id=whn
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    More rain since thursday then in the last 7 months combined
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    Granted it doesn't rain much in the winter? Or is that a measure of precipitation rather than rain?

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    According to Environment Canada, total precipitation (rain + melted snow) for November through April was 66.2 mm. Up to yesterday, we were at 38.7 mm for May. If we do get to 70 mm before the rain stops, it will be more than the last 6 months combined.

    Average precipitation is 111 mm for November through April and 46 mm for May, so this will bring us close to normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    Based on amounts that have already fallen and are forecast looks like the Edmonton area will receive at least 70mm of rain before the low pressure system leaves the province on Tuesday.

    Hasn't done much for my Victoria Day weekend gardening plans, but the rain is nevertheless most welcome.

    The only part of the province that doesn't seem to have received lots of precipitation so far is northeastern Alberta which needs it the most. Though the Jimmy Lake radar station is showing a fairly intense cell moving toward the Fort Mc area as I am writing this.

    http://weather.gc.ca/radar/index_e.html?id=whn
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    The rain is needed, but I wish it was in Fort Mac 20 days ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Granted it doesn't rain much in the winter? Or is that a measure of precipitation rather than rain?
    Total precip. Cbc news network was saying this morning weve already had 83mm since thursday
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Granted it doesn't rain much in the winter? Or is that a measure of precipitation rather than rain?
    Total precip. Cbc news network was saying this morning weve already had 83mm since thursday
    Interesting thing is theres no pooling of water either. Ground is so dry, so deep, its just soaking it up.

    Normally with this amount of rain you would be seeing some standing water on lawns/fields.

    Been a nice steady rain as well so not much reports of flooding anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    The rain is needed, but I wish it was in Fort Mac 20 days ago.
    Its helping the whole province immensely. We might just have averted a whole summer of some Northern fires. Further tragedies unknown, that now will probably be mitigated.

    Much of the province was a tinderbox till these rains came. Never been so thankful for rain/precipitation. Something we take for granted when its around but it hadn't been this year.
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    Im seeing lots of standing water today. Not so much yesterday... But lots today

    Billion dollar rain http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/e...a-ag-1.3596002
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Interesting thing is theres no pooling of water either. Ground is so dry, so deep, its just soaking it up.

    Normally with this amount of rain you would be seeing some standing water on lawns/fields.

    Been a nice steady rain as well so not much reports of flooding anywhere.
    Forget patios and session-pints in the sun, we needed this in the worst way. Our pasture is finally starting to green-up. No standing water that I've seen as the neighbour and I drove around this morning checking our properties, the greenery and soil sucked it up like a dried out slice of bread. Steady rain and moisture for days on end is ideal.

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    The storm water management ponds in the SW are getting close to the top of their banks...

    Friends parents basement has flooded in the west end
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    Get ready for super mosquito hatching season. Zika will be coming soon too, already reaching Great Lakes and heading into Europe. As if our brains aren't under enough stress as it is.

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    Now that the mosquito is a serious threat to humans - Zika, West Nile, etc., can't mozzies be eradicated altogether? Or would that seriously ruin the world's ecology?
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    For anyone who might be interested in weather minutia: http://edmontonweathernerdery.blogspot.ca/





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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    Now that the mosquito is a serious threat to humans - Zika, West Nile, etc., can't mozzies be eradicated altogether? Or would that seriously ruin the world's ecology?
    Now? Mosquitos have always been a serious threat to humans. What is changing is the ability of mosquito born diseases to impact rich, western nations. For Canada the vast majority of these diseases aren't spread by local species and because the diseases are spread by adult mosquitos, winter breaks the cycle every year.

    There are over 3500 species of mosquito but only a few of them spread human disease. There is some debate over whether eradicating those few would be be a big problem. The biggest unknown, though, would be whether something worse would fill the spot vacated.

    Of course right now we have no practical way of eliminating a species of mosquito. The best method come up with so far is genetically modifying a male so that it's offspring are unable to reproduce. In tests it has reduced populations by over 90 per cent but was still short of eradication.

    BBC has a pretty comprehensive article:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35408835

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    City mosquito-spraying crews finally get work to do
    Slow, steady rain perfect for plants, but less than ideal for mosquitoes


    Edmonton has been doing a great job at this the last few years.

    How bad the mosquitoes will get depends on the next few days as larvae mature into adults.

    While warm days such as Wednesday will enhance development, the cooler temperatures predicted for the upcoming weekend will slow things down, giving city crews a chance to get a jump on spraying for the larvae.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Get ready for super mosquito hatching season. Zika will be coming soon too, already reaching Great Lakes and heading into Europe. As if our brains aren't under enough stress as it is.
    Please fear monger more zika isnt here wait till after the Olympics though.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Please fear monger more zika isnt here
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    wait till after the Olympics though.....
    and done
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    There's a thread for pandemic issues already:

    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...ad.php?t=10675

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    Active afternoon


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    Just gotta say this was probably the most uninspired, lousy and chilliest October I have ever experienced living the vast majority of my life in Edmonton. Not a single nice streak of lukewarm temperatures, as we know a string of around 20C days is usually common. WTF happened? Oh yeah, La Nina is on her way.

    Gonna be a average to below average winter this year IMO, just as Environment Canada and Farmer's say. Bundle up.

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    Also so many crops still laying in the fields. A bit of sun to melt the snow then it rains again. Must be very stressful being a farmer right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    Now that the mosquito is a serious threat to humans - Zika, West Nile, etc., can't mozzies be eradicated altogether? Or would that seriously ruin the world's ecology?



    Mapping the End of Malaria
    By Bill Gates | October 10, 2016

    A few years ago, I pulled off a purposeful prank. While I was giving a TED Talk on malaria to a room full of influential people, I opened a canister and let loose a small swarm of mosquitoes. Theres no reason that only poor people should have the experience, I said. I let the audience squirm in their seats for about half a minute before I let on that the mosquitoes were not infected with malaria. My gimmick worked. A distant problem suddenly got very close to home.

    Today, gimmicks are no longer necessary for convincing Americans of the danger of mosquito-borne diseases. The spread of Zika virus in south Florida, Puerto Rico, and other parts of the U.S. has given millions of Americans a direct understanding what its like to live with the fear of mosquitoes and the harm they can do, especially to pregnant women and children.
    The world must ..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Also so many crops still laying in the fields. A bit of sun to melt the snow then it rains again. Must be very stressful being a farmer right now.

    A great time for the NDP to offer subsidies to them. Now that the wheat marketing board is gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    Just gotta say this was probably the most uninspired, lousy and chilliest October I have ever experienced living the vast majority of my life in Edmonton. Not a single nice streak of lukewarm temperatures, as we know a string of around 20C days is usually common. WTF happened? Oh yeah, La Nina is on her way.

    Gonna be a average to below average winter this year IMO, just as Environment Canada and Farmer's say. Bundle up.
    Cool and wet would describe every month since May.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    Just gotta say this was probably the most uninspired, lousy and chilliest October I have ever experienced living the vast majority of my life in Edmonton. Not a single nice streak of lukewarm temperatures, as we know a string of around 20C days is usually common. WTF happened? Oh yeah, La Nina is on her way.

    Gonna be a average to below average winter this year IMO, just as Environment Canada and Farmer's say. Bundle up.
    I'll throw some gardening anecdotes in here.

    I'll add that I feel sorry for the farmers. There has been literally no chance this year to get much of any kind of harvest in. Even as a gardener its been a challenge. Starting from the miserable snow dump the amount and ground cover of which was entirely unexpected. At no point since has the ground come close to drying out. Still have root veggies in garden, also parsley (which does fine in these conditions and Swiss chard which is hardy as well. ) As most gardeners I hate trying to dig up carrots, potatoes, beets, when its pure muck. Theres just no way to clean them off sufficiently or easily. If it was a downpour I would throw them on the yard and let the water wash them off a bit. The amount of water required to clean all these is nuts and frozen water barrels already emptied, frozen water hoses all stored away, The constant drizzle is good for nothing. The potatoes are like bricks of mud. Digging you don't even see the potatoes. So ruin a lot of them trying to dig them up. Even after getting all that off they'll just immediately rot due to the inordinate moisture. Carrots and beets should do fine. I keep looking at a forecast with some sunny days ahead (This has been misreported for at least two weeks now) and supposed to get a few sunny days next week. Alas with shorter days probably not enough to dry anything off.

    Got all the tomatoes in but some were touched with frost, had to be thrown out as even though they were covered the overnight lows were worse than forecast. Basically they were out as I was trying to achieve some ripening. Basically didn't get a lick of sun most days in September and any days in October.

    This year won't be able to dig the garden this Fall, too mucky, lawn didn't get its proper raking or care. Water barrels hard to empty as they froze drains on a night with a much worse low than forecast.

    All that complaining done its humidity we've needed for decades and I planted earlier this year and last than I ever have before and so the growing season seems to be earlier rather than shorter. Gardening shops should get that memo and be setup by April instead of May.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post

    I keep looking at a forecast with some sunny days ahead (This has been misreported for at least two weeks now) and supposed to get a few sunny days next week. Alas with shorter days probably not enough to dry anything off.

    Basically didn't get a lick of sun most days in September and any days in October.
    Yeah, funny you should mention that.

    Lately Top_Dawg has noticed that the prognosticators have been terribly wrong at predicting days when we will get sunshine.

    Top_Dawg hopes we at least get some around Rememberance Day and Yankee Thanksgiving cause he booked some days off around those dates.

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    I've noticed that too Replacement, I check Environment Canada's Edmonton forecast almost every day... and for the longest time always in 3 or 4 days temps were going to go up and the sun was going to breakout. At 42 years, I know better than to believe anything they say after 2 days, especially during the shoulder seasons.

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    Weather forecasts all *summer* were a joke too. Better to use the ol just look outside technique. Least that way you know what to expect the next 1-2hrs...

    Hey, maybe Environment Canada is just trying to cheer us up in these grey sky days. Imagine if the forecast for October was grey skies and rain for an entire month. Which begs the question of it being better to know than not to know. heh, I'm leaning that I prefer knowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    I've noticed that too Replacement, I check Environment Canada's Edmonton forecast almost every day... and for the longest time always in 3 or 4 days temps were going to go up and the sun was going to breakout. At 42 years, I know better than to believe anything they say after 2 days, especially during the shoulder seasons.
    3 days is about the reliable resolution of EC's models, not much different than the NWS in the US. I've had the EC weather page auto-refreshing every hour on a screen for about 15 years (burned into some old CRTs), and from hour to hour the 3rd, 4th and 5th days can change as the models converge or diverge*. Unfortunately we do not get the behind-the-scenes discussions behind the synopses. The NWS provides them, and they are very informative and sometimes quite funny as an analyst tries to make sense of about 4 different models. I asked EC about them but apparently there's no demand for them outside their media channels.

    Remember something else too: N% chance of anything is being spread over a growing city, and we are starting to see more and more that N% doesn't mean it'll happen in your area. For more specificity I use the radar plots. For a longer view I look outside Alberta at what's coming at us.

    *While I was out for an hour getting groceries, Wednesday's high went from 11 to 9, for example.
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    Has the weather really been so boring that the last post is almost two years old?

    From the Edmonton weather nerdery site complete with tons of cool graphics:

    But when we look at the High temperatures for September 2018, the "average" had very little to do with anything. For the whole month there were only 3 days - the 5th, 6th, & 7th - which were above the average, and those are highlighted in red.

    The other 27 days were all below average, and are highlighted in blue. We had 8 daytime Highs that were 10C or more below average. And with all of those really cold days we set one all-time record for coldest High, on September 13th at 1C. And we also set 6 other coldest-since-1996 Highs.
    http://edmontonweathernerdery.blogspot.com/

    Bottom line. September 2018 goes down in the record books as one of the coldest ever.

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    That site REALLY lives up to its subtitle: "Expect Charts."
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    Don't know the author of the Edmonton Weathernerdery website, but he or she does an amazing job. Impresses even a fellow weather data nerd.

    Latest postings and charts about the fall 2018 weather roller coaster (including yesterday's record high) are available at this link:

    http://edmontonweathernerdery.blogspot.com/

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    Former poster @ c2e - Newflanged I believe is the author.

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    Nice. I didn't know about this site!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Former poster @ c2e - Newflanged I believe is the author.
    Newfangled post in #420 above alerted me to the site's existence. Even he or she is also the author... great job.

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    While Edmonton's climate has warmed since the 1880s, there has been a measurable difference in the rate of warming depending on the month of the year. The shoulder months of April & October have warmed the least, and the winter months of January & February the most.

    From the ever excellent Edmonton weather nerdery website:
    In previous posts we have seen that Edmonton's recorded temperatures have been warmer recently than they were a century ago. We've also looked at nearby rural stations and to other Canadian cities, and have seen a similar pattern.

    When we dig deeper into Edmonton's temperatures we see that the changes have been concentrated in January & February, with large increases in both the Highs and the Lows. The summer months and November & December have seen small increases to the average Lows, but the average Highs have been relatively unchanged. And for the shoulder-season months of April & October the average Lows have also increased a bit, but that has been offset by a decrease in the average Highs for those months.
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    Fascinating stuff.
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    Well it's a wrap when it comes to the weather in 2018.

    I knew April was cold, but had no idea May was the warmest since temperature records began. Other fascinating highlights from the Edmonton weather nerdery website:

    For 2018 we had 5 months which were colder than the 20th century average for that month: February, March, April, September and October. And there were 7 months which were warmer: January, May, June, July, August, November and December.

    Notably:


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    Yes, extreme weather roller coaster! Wasn't December 2017 one of the top warmest, then of course the endless cold arrived afterwards and early to mid April was very chilly! May and June were beautiful months to scratch around outside and get the garden in! September was absolutely miserable with weeks on end of snow and COLD and I'm surprised it didn't end in the top two or three coldest, it was really something else wasn't it!

    +10 C today at my acreage just north of Spruce Grove, totally looked and felt like spring! Also was a great day to tune up the snowblower a bit!

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    So I don't watch TV weather anymore but with this "Polar Vortex" thing going on.....
    Is there still such thing as "the most dreaded of all meteorological phenomenon, the Siberian High"? Is the polar vortex the same thing? Something else?

    Do they even show those maps with highs and low pressure zones and fronts anymore? I can't find one on the regular online weather sites or skim-watching a couple TV weather clips......
    There can only be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    So I don't watch TV weather anymore but with this "Polar Vortex" thing going on.....
    Is there still such thing as "the most dreaded of all meteorological phenomenon, the Siberian High"? Is the polar vortex the same thing? Something else?

    Do they even show those maps with highs and low pressure zones and fronts anymore? I can't find one on the regular online weather sites or skim-watching a couple TV weather clips......

    Bill Matheson type weather forecasts I think were generally going over the audience knowledge of what such things mean. I never knew, and they were never adequately explained, and internet didn't exist..


    tbh I still don't know what any of that means. How one impacts the other, etc.


    The weather forecasts were the only thing on the news telecasts where the viewer was expected to have an inordinate understanding of the topic matter at hand. Even the financials reports, they dumb it down. Watching the weather I always felt as if I must have missed a month of Science instruction or something as this was never taught in school.
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    Bill Matheson had used both the terms 'Siberian High' and 'Arctic High'. The coldest, most bitter -40 to -45 C temperatures being delivered here by the 'Siberian High', while less intensely cold high pressure systems originating in Canada's north were referred to as 'Arctic highs'. The latter term is still used, though most often 'Polar Vortex' seems to be the go to phrase for all cold air masses dropping down from the arctic.

    "Do they even show those maps with highs and low pressure zones and fronts anymore?" ... weather maps have been simplified and seldom drawn up to the same detail as hand drawn ones of the past. Mostly, satellite cloud cover images are used and possibly a few frontal lines are shown and an H or L to indicate High or Low pressure.

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    And with advances in Doppler imaging and modelling it just makes more sense to the average viewer to see that imagery rather than all the meteo stuff. I've seen The Weather Network use High/Low/Front graphics while KTLA from Los Angeles just uses High/Low. In print The Sun uses a choropleth while The Journal uses an old-style meteo map.
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    So I don't watch TV weather anymore but with this "Polar Vortex" thing going on.....
    Is there still such thing as "the most dreaded of all meteorological phenomenon, the Siberian High"? Is the polar vortex the same thing? Something else?

    Do they even show those maps with highs and low pressure zones and fronts anymore? I can't find one on the regular online weather sites or skim-watching a couple TV weather clips......

    Bill Matheson type weather forecasts I think were generally going over the audience knowledge of what such things mean. I never knew, and they were never adequately explained, and internet didn't exist..


    tbh I still don't know what any of that means. How one impacts the other, etc.


    The weather forecasts were the only thing on the news telecasts where the viewer was expected to have an inordinate understanding of the topic matter at hand. Even the financials reports, they dumb it down. Watching the weather I always felt as if I must have missed a month of Science instruction or something as this was never taught in school.
    I took a climatology class TWICE at university(failed it the first time) and I don't think I can remember a single thing I learned, except for one or two phrases, minus their meaning.

    With Matheson, I think people just liked watching him because he was a performer, and what he was actually saying was not as important as how he said it. I enjoyed that sort of thing when I was younger, but now it kind of strikes me as pseudo-intellectualism.

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    Edmonton suffers through coldest February in 40 years

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    Updated: March 1, 2019

    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...st-in-40-years

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    More detail and cool (cold?) charts on just how cold February 2019 was from the Edmonton Weather Nerdery blog:

    February's average temperature was -19.4C, which made it Edmonton's 5th coldest February since 1880. The average temperature for February during the 20th Century was -10.1C, so this year we were 9.3C below the longterm average. In recent years the average for February has been about 8C, so we were 11C colder than that.

    http://edmontonweathernerdery.blogspot.com/
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    It was only six months ago we had endured one of the very coldest Septembers on record, now again back in the record books for February.

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    Been a very long winter considering September was like winter, and August was like smoke and impossible to enjoy the outdoors.

    Seems like its been a long time since we've had nice weather.

    That said the one advantage of frigid temps is it limits the infernal freeze/melt cycles that render a mess of everything. I'd rather just have it suddenly warm up and melt everything in one big deluge. Looks like we will get that this year. Last spring was awful for freeze/thaws.
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    Whenever a large purple blob this big appears on a global weather map, it confirms February 2019 was one the coldest ever in these parts:

    https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/index_v3.html

    Meanwhile Siberia, Scandinavia, and most of Alaska was basking in relative warmth during the same month. The world as a whole in February 2019 was +0.93 Celcius warmer than the 1951 to 1980 average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnTG View Post
    Been a very long winter considering September was like winter, and August was like smoke and impossible to enjoy the outdoors.
    We had the contrary ... September was too hot, not like an autumn at all.
    I assume you were not in Edmonton, September 2018 was approximately four degrees cooler than the average.
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    October was good though.


    And yes, it snows in fall and spring in Alberta. This is not a new thing, but the amount of people that get surprised by it every year is something. Snow in Fall and Spring months is normal. Snow does not mean winter.

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    What a very pathetic dismal summer! Low pressure has totally dominated the region from three months now, there's been scant sunshine and TONS of rain. I swear we've had thickly socked in skies or cloud dominated conditions obscuring the sun for 70% of possibly sunshine hours! Forecasters had kept calling for a major pattern change, though such only occurring for very short intervals and then it's back to the same! By mid August, I had recorded 16 inches of rain at my acreage near Spruce Grove, the Mayerthorpe area having gotten 18 inches and the entire Lac Ste. Anne county being declared an agricultural disaster, their crops done for! For most farmers, haying season was a total write off and the honey business is reporting 0 to 50% of normal production. If we soon don't receive some good harvest weather, it's not hard to foresee a big chunk of central Alberta also being declared an agricultural disaster. Several of my friends had given up on their drowned and weed overtaken gardens, mine being one of the worst in 40+ years of gardening. Again, this long weekend, there will be little to no sunshine for pretty well four full days! Yes, some folks don't care about all this, though these conditions are impacting many hard in the pocketbook! Good years and bad, this summer being a memorable standout!

    As for last September's snow and cold, it was not just one of our normal brief snow episodes, though rather snow covering and flattening crops and swaths for around two weeks and the month shattering very long standing records.

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    And bloody windy! Like Lethbridge, ugh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRtower View Post
    What a very pathetic dismal summer! Low pressure has totally dominated the region from three months now, there's been scant sunshine and TONS of rain. I swear we've had thickly socked in skies or cloud dominated conditions obscuring the sun for 70% of possibly sunshine hours! Forecasters had kept calling for a major pattern change, though such only occurring for very short intervals and then it's back to the same! By mid August, I had recorded 16 inches of rain at my acreage near Spruce Grove, the Mayerthorpe area having gotten 18 inches and the entire Lac Ste. Anne county being declared an agricultural disaster, their crops done for! For most farmers, haying season was a total write off and the honey business is reporting 0 to 50% of normal production. If we soon don't receive some good harvest weather, it's not hard to foresee a big chunk of central Alberta also being declared an agricultural disaster. Several of my friends had given up on their drowned and weed overtaken gardens, mine being one of the worst in 40+ years of gardening
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    Sums it up well. I've had 20" out my way since June 13th.

    Garden is great if you eat thistles. Yay Eyore.

    The pattern is so established, they are calling for snow by mid September. A staying snow. I've cancelled our EIA static display for early October as we won't be able to do anything there.
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    Normally we get 3 or even 4 mornings in the summer where we start off the day at 17c, however I can't remember even one such morning this year.

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    ^That is true. Very unusual.

    And the only day this summer over 30C was Wednesday, May 29 when the mercury topped out at 30.6C. Followed on May 30 by the smoke apocalypse which dropped the day time high by over 10C. Strangely prescient since May 30 was my 65th birthday.

    I'm still holding out hope for a warm dry fall. Based on the law of averages and the observation that the same month in two consecutive years tends to have very different weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny the Gardener View Post
    Normally we get 3 or even 4 mornings in the summer where we start off the day at 17c, however I can't remember even one such morning this year.

    There was one morning in August... very hot humid and we paid for it that night in thunderstorms
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    ^Want to sum up the summer of 2019 in one word? Wet. The few days that the temperature rose above average were still wet. The few days that it didn't rain were still wet. It never stopped being wet.

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    I am surprised the river didn't flood given how much rain we had. The amount of moss growing on my lawn is crazy, it is literally pillowing up in some areas.
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    Want to keep tabs on what the world weather (temperature, precipitation, wind, cloud) is likely at any given time?

    Below is a link to the best world weather map I can find.

    https://map.worldweatheronline.com/

    What I like is that this map is updated hourly and even adjusts for local time zones. What I dislike is the Mercator projection.

    Does anyone know of an even better live world weather map available for free online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    I am surprised the river didn't flood given how much rain we had. The amount of moss growing on my lawn is crazy, it is literally pillowing up in some areas.
    There was some localized flooding, some of the low gravel paths in the river valley that follow the river's edge had to be closed for a few days in July.
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    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    Want to keep tabs on what the world weather (temperature, precipitation, wind, cloud) is likely at any given time?

    Below is a link to the best world weather map I can find.

    https://map.worldweatheronline.com/

    What I like is that this map is updated hourly and even adjusts for local time zones. What I dislike is the Mercator projection.

    Does anyone know of an even better live world weather map available for free online?
    not at all what your are looking at, but another weather resource I really like is www.spotwx.com , it will give you forecasts for several different models all in one spot, and plots it all on a very readable graph.
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    I dig darksky.net even if some of the niftiest features don't really work in Edmonton/Canada.
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    ^Thanks. Was not aware of darksky.net. It's excellent.

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    Using it while traveling to get hyperlocal forecasting is pretty swanky.


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    This is a handy site that combines local conditions with several models: https://www.windy.com
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    Amazing how a few short years ago, everything around here was drying up with very little precipitation. Boat docks mired in clay, with the water line receding 20 ft or more, certain trees dying off from lack of moisture, grading around buildings collapsing from drying out. The world was coming to a fiery, dusty end. And now, we can't get the tap to turn off.

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    Read this from April 12, 2019. So we had fires up north, rain all summer here...


    Prairies can expect unexpected from El Nino this summer - AGCanada - AGCanada

    “MarketsFarm — The U.S. National Weather Service Climate Prediction Center on Thursday reported a 65 per cent chance of El Nino prevailing throughout 2019’s growing season.

    “A weak El Nino is likely to continue through the Northern Hemisphere summer 2019 (65 per cent chance) and possibly fall (50-55 per cent chance),” the CPC’s report said.

    As long as El Nino continues, central, south-central and southwestern Saskatchewan can expect wetter weather throughout the spring and summer.

    “El Nino in the summer tends to produce a shift in weather, usually increasing precipitation across the southern Prairies,” said Drew Lerner, president of World Weather Inc. in Kansas City. ...”


    “Conversely, El Nino can also cause decreased precipitation in northwestern Alberta, “mostly Peace River country and northern crop areas,” Lerner said.”

    https://www.agcanada.com/daily/prair...no-this-summer
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    Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and now Wednesday and not one friggin second of sunshine yet having occurred, maybe late this afternoon, tomorrow? ... sheesh! Amazing how this pattern has been locked in with us since early June! Other than being somewhat milder, I guess we're experiencing a Vancouver winter and not a prairie summer!

    Okay, so what outlet appears to have the most accurate forecasting, seems Global tv pulls theirs from a hat and Jesse Beyer and his "Everyone blames me for this weather" and "Oh, it's really not soooo bad out there!" Funny, he was saying that the other day and immediately afterwards they do a story on how farmers are struggling with the harvest and crops not maturing and at risk of freezing. For 40 years I lived on a large grain farm and my thoughts are with the farmers and anyone dependent on good weather. Hopefully, snow isn't just around the corner as it was at this time last year ... just the same, our long range forecast continues to look poor.

    Can someone describe why the pattern is soooo stagnant as such, is there a blocking force out in the Pacific or simply just no strong high pressure systems pushing in from the west or up from the south?
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    ^This is my understanding. There has been a blocking low pressure system stationed off the BC coast for much of the summer. Circulation around a low pressure system is counter-clockwise. This means warm air is being pulled from the western US up to Alaska which has basked in a summer of record warmth and sunshine (as well as forest fires).

    No idea why the pattern has remained stagnant for so long. But like everything weather-related the pattern will eventually break down.

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    It may have something to do with the weakening/slackening of the jet stream, which is increasingly being linked to climate change: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/3...on-temperature

    Basically, as the differential between the arctic latitudes and lower ones decreases due to the North warming faster, the jet stream itself weakens as it's driven by that differential. So instead of a tight "belt" around the planet, it's becoming more of a loose rubber band, and weather systems get caught in those bends and stuck for longer periods of time than has been the case in the past. And that leads to more persistent weather patterns.

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    Last year's daytime high on September 13 was 1.3C and the overnight low was -1.8C.

    Tomorrow's daytime high is forecast to be 20C with an overnight low of 9C.

    https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/ab-50_metric_e.html

    After all the misery we've endured this summer, here's hoping for a warm and dry fall.

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    Thanks guys for the explanation as to the cause of our pathetic summer, I'm 54 years old and can't recall a summer with soooo much dense cloud cover and rain! FINALLY, today we're into sunshine, but that's after a string of four entire days of NO sunshine whatsoever other than literally just a few mins on Wednesday evening. Sure would be major consequences if the jet stream is beginning to go slack due by climate change, summers like this could then become something of the norm, I'd have to move!

    Hopefully, the pattern shifts and conditions begin to favor us. But, yes, last September was one to remember and so has this entire summer!

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    From the ever excellent Edmonton weathernerdery website a look at Edmonton's October weather and how the first ten months of 2019 stacks up historically:

    Right now 2019 is Edmonton's coldest year since 2009, and the last time that we had a year which was colder than the 20th century average was back in 1996 at -1.7C below the average. 2019's ranking could still change substantially though, depending on how November and December play out.

    At the bottom of this dashboard there are bars which show how warm or cold each month of the year was compared to its 20th century average. 2019 has had a warm January, a cold February, a just-a-bit-above-average March-September, and now October was -2C below average.
    http://edmontonweathernerdery.blogspot.com/
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