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    Default C2E announces top-10 ‘great ideas’ for Edmonton

    Well folks, the data has been compiled and here it is. We decided to release this officially after the holidays to get maximum media penetration and acknowledgement. We avoided earlier in the month as the PC Leadership story was the big ticket item.

    Please read it over and comment away. We compiled this list after subsequent discussions and evaluations after our late November member forum. There were also other forum members who volunteered their time to help orgnaize our random set of posts into something more emperical to discuss - thank you.

    Thank you to all of you for posting, talking, posting some more, talking even more, and simply making C2E's first 9 months something to be proud of!

    If you think this list is missing items, I encourage you to go out and recruit members who will talk about your great ideas. After all, this list is 100% based on forum traffic, and the more members, the better!

    So, in order of views and posts and backed by the collection of threads, is the Top Ten Great Ideas for a Greater Edmonton.

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    News Release Jan. 2, 2006

    C2E announces top-10 ‘great ideas’ for Edmonton
    — Edmonton’s online community offers hundreds of ideas to enhance region

    Connect2Edmonton.com (C2E) --- an autonomous global community that encourages discussion and collaboration on topics of importance to Edmonton’s future --- has announced 10 priority ideas that have emerged from its recent “Great Ideas for a Greater Edmonton” contest.

    The ‘Great Ideas’ contest encouraged C2E members – membership is free for everyone – to submit all ideas, big and small, that could help enhance Greater Edmonton’s national profile, quality of life or future development. The intention of this unprecedented undertaking was to engage Edmonton enthusiasts worldwide in a positive dialogue to develop a new, inspirational regional vision.

    The hundreds of ideas submitted to the contest were overwhelmingly focused on six areas (in alphabetical order): art and architecture; cleaning up the city; downtown development; river valley development; tourism; and transportation.

    A year-end, top-10 list of ‘Great Ideas for Greater Edmonton’ was developed by weighting C2E’s top-100 discussion ‘threads’ (as determined by the number of postings and views that each ‘great idea’ attracted) with input from 16 C2E volunteers who responded to an all-member invite to participate in a panel discussion. Here is C2E’s top-10 list of Great Ideas for Greater Edmonton for 2007:

    1. Redevelop Rossdale
    Redevelop the EPCOR plant in Rossdale on a scale similar to Granville Island (Vancouver) or The Forks (Winnipeg) … preferably with an architectural icon, new river valley amenities and an aboriginal cultural centre.

    2. Clean up the city
    Citizens are tired of complaining. Edmonton needs a comprehensive, year-round plan and measurable, public benchmarks to dramatically reduce litter (especially cigarette butts), graffiti and panhandling. C2E members also want more greenery throughout the city and suggest a corporate competition to encourage businesses to plant flowers and trees, especially along major thoroughfares.

    3. Launch Winter Festival / World’s Fair bid
    There is significant interest in an annual winter festival to celebrate Edmonton’s destiny as the Gateway to the North and the largest northern-most major city in North America. Ideas to increase outdoor, winter activities include an amateur street hockey tournament. There is also interest in Edmonton making a bid to host a World’s Fair in 2017 to mark Canada’s 150th birthday.

    4. Expand the LRT
    Expansion of the LRT (and mass transportation in general) is critical --- planning should begin immediately for a West Edmonton Mall and Edmonton International Airport connection.

    5. Enhance Edmonton’s national image
    Edmonton needs to invest the needed resources on an ongoing basis to aggressively promote itself nationally and internationally to attract visitors, new businesses and needed workers.

    6. Improve roadways
    Edmonton desperately needs a new bridge over the North Saskatchewan River as well as an unimpeded flow of traffic from downtown to the airport beyond the planned 23rd Avenue interchange.

    7. Build a new downtown arena
    Although Edmonton’s downtown is growing, much more can be done to create more livable spaces and upgrade the city’s architectural standards to attract more residents … especially in East Jasper and Chinatown. C2E members favour a new downtown arena combined with a major, new recreation facility.

    8. Build an architectural icon
    Edmonton deserves a world-class architectural icon --- a tall tower, new convention centre or stunning bridge --- to set a new benchmark for development, mark its place as a major capital city and to extract a legacy dividend from the greatest economic boom in the city’s history.

    9. Encourage more public art
    Public art --- statues, paintings and even light projections --- are valued and need to be encouraged … especially on the city’s many unappealing concrete walls. More local artists should be commissioned and more local contests are needed to showcase local talent.

    10. Celebrate the High Level Bridge
    Edmonton’s signature landmark should be celebrated with permanent lights, by running the waterfall throughout the summer and perhaps even by suspending a gallery or café from the bridge infrastructure.

    “This top-10 list is just a sampling of hundreds of ideas --- some long-term and some doable in 2007 --- submitted by Edmonton enthusiasts from all over the world,” says Richard Skermer, C2E’s volunteer co-chair. “Everyone who cares about the future of our region is encouraged to review these inspiring submissions on C2E … and then collaborate online with people who passionately support these ideas to help transform our city.”

    A community leader will be identified and invited to write a guest column on C2E in response to each of these top-10 ideas.

    C2E has attracted 880 members in 20-plus countries and generated more than 18,000 postings in just nine months. Visit www.connect2edmonton.com to view a categorized list of all ‘great ideas’ collected.
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    well done.....these are the major issues/problems/ideas facing edmonton.
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    Very nice. Let's hope that those issues are adressed in a timely manner ASAP.

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    Yeah!

    Very interesting to see what "shook out" from the myriad of posts and ideas from the contest.

    I would suggest that C2E do a year retrospective to gauge progress (or not) in the top ten ideas.

    Also, update the list in a year’s time— see what new ideas come to the forefront —or if the same great ideas are still top of mind.

    Connecting to Edmonton (C2E) has become a great source for anything / everything connected to Greater Edmonton and this contest, top- 10 “great ideas” list to the news release are evidence of this.

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    Default Re: C2E announces top-10 ‘great ideas’ for Edmonton

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS
    3. Launch Winter Festival / World’s Fair bid... the Gateway to the North and the largest major city in North America....
    You mean the northernmost major city in North America, right?

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    Ahh, a type-o.

    Several editors and this still got through...
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    Well done RichardS and everyone else involved with the final submission. This is a good piece of work - hope the city council and mayor take note

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    Catch Kerry's comments...

    http://blog.canoe.ca/Diotte
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    CFRN's 6 o'clock news will feature this list and comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS
    CFRN's 6 o'clock news will feature this list and comments.
    Thanks for the update(s)!

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    Surprise... 8 of the 10 items on the list have to do with Urban Planning and Design.
    The remaining 2 would have a better chance of success with better (or any) Urban Planning and Design.

    - 1. Redevelop Rossdale --> urban planning

    - 2. Clean up the city --> urban design

    - 3. Launch Winter Festival / World’s Fair bid - a winter festival is just common sense given Edmonton is supposed to be "The Festival City"; as for the World's Fair bid, good luck - when you think of the world's greatest cities, Edmonton cannot compete with Paris, Rome, Vienna, etc., but it could if the urban design was better

    - 4. Expand the LRT - urban planning

    - 5. Enhance Edmonton’s national image - urban design would help this - most Canadians see Edmonton as a rough, dirty city and the murder capital of Canada, which is why we couldn't even give away free trips to people to come here

    - 6. Improve roadways - urban planning (as for building another bridge over the North Saskatchewan River - very bad idea! Edmonton needs to discourage vehicular travel, not encourage it - what about the new Smart Choices principles of transit-oriented design that the City approved? This is also obviously bad for the environment and the skyline too. All we need is another ugly bridge coming into downtown.)

    - 7. Build a new downtown arena - urban planning (but whoever plans this needs to make sure that they don't kill home values in the Highlands area in the process)

    - 8. Build an architectural icon - urban design

    - 9. Encourage more public art - urban design

    - 10. Celebrate the High Level Bridge - urban design

    Bottom Line - The Top 10 illustrates that people think Edmonton is an ugly, dirty city. So the City of Edmonton should hire a lot more urban planners and designers to improve everything. Then maybe more people will move here and stay here. Otherwise, as soon as the economy dips, so will Edmonton's population.

    * Mayor Mandel just said on the 6 o'clock news that he is in favour of all of these 10 items. If he is sincere then he will hire a lot more urban planners and designers. *

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    The World's Fair was hosted by smaller cities too....like say Spokane and Vancouver (yes it was way way smaller and depressed pre 86)....


    Calgary tried for 2005...why is that any different?


    It is not like wee're trying for the summer olympics.

    ...and I wouldn't go as far as saying it is an ugly and dirty city, more that it is one that is young and needs to look at where it wants to go. I personally think Edmonton is just waking up to realize that it isn't the tiny little northern town it was reported to be a few decades ago. A lot of our design was done out of a) fear of our climate and b)a lack of experience on the world stage.


    ...maybe this World's Fair is just the key to open our eyes - finally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plazma
    (...)* Mayor Mandel just said on the 6 o'clock news that he is in favour of all of these 10 items. If he is sincere then he will hire a lot more urban planners and designers. *
    Is it about hiring more city employees or enforcing developers to adhere to standards and specific transportation right-of-ways, and letting the developer's designers have a crack at it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS
    The World's Fair was hosted by smaller cities too....like say Spokane...

    ...and I wouldn't go as far as saying it is an ugly and dirty city, more that it is one that is young and needs to look at where it wants to go.
    Exactly - Edmonton might stand a chance because Spokane or a depressed version of Vancouver got it?

    Spokane was chosen because it was the only city of a reasonable size turning 100 years old at the same time the whole country of the USA was turning 200. And Vancouver lost over $300 million on their World's Fair - Not too successful.

    Look at the majority of the other cities that were chosen - New York, Seattle, San Diego, Philadelphia, London, New Orleans, San Fransisco... great cities then and now.

    Regarding ugly: Visit Ottawa, Vancouver, Victoria and Montreal where they actually invest in great architecture and then decide whether or not Edmonton is ugly. 97th Street, 118th Avenue, 66th Street - ugly. Unless dilapidated strip malls and drug-addicted prostitutes are your thing.

    Regarding dirty: Visit Ottawa, Vancouver, Victoria and Montreal where they actually clean the streets and then decide whether or not Edmonton is dirty. If Edmonton wasn't dirty, the street corners out front of City Hall wouldn't smell of sewer stench, the walk east towards Rexall Place wouldn't make you gag because of the disease-infested pigeons that have made their home under the bridge, and getting your first glimse of the city after getting off a Greyhound Bus wouldn't scare you because the first thing you see - the Grand Hotel - wouldn't have druggies or alcoholics greeting you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS
    Is it about hiring more city employees or enforcing developers to adhere to standards and specific transportation right-of-ways, and letting the developer's designers have a crack at it?
    It's both.

    Larry Beasley did some amazing things as an employee with the City of Vancouver when he directed planning operations - so many that a book has been written about the successes. And government is supposed to do what is best, not what is necessarily popular. However, in this case urban planning and design are both.

    And developers often follow the minimum standards. Raising the standards bar will force developers to meet higher standards. But developers need to be more creative and take more pride in their work too.

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    Vancouver may have lost money on their fair, but I would have to say that as a city they gained tremendously in the following years. Expo is credited by scribes, civic leaders, and denizens alike as THE event that changed that town into the place that it is today. Expo's exposure goes way beyond the simple fair and its legacy lives on in False Creek and other areas. Since Expo, Vancouver's gritty attitude changed into what is now often considered and voted one of the most if not THE most pleasant cities and most livable cities in the world.

    That is what I would look for out of a World's Fair here in Edmonton.

    Then you mention Vancouver and it's investment in great architecture, and I would have to say that it is POST EXPO...for any of the much vaunted high rise construction and the condo boom.

    Victoria's architecture is quaint in parts, but the rest is a city in one of the prettiest places around...not hard to be seen as pretty. Place a landfill in Victoria's geography and it is the prettiest darned landfill you've ever seen. However, there are plenty of seedy Victoria areas too.

    The streets you mention became ugly due to neglect, not due to any desire to BE ugly. 97th has a great history. 118th was a different place at one time. However, even Vancouver, Victoria, Montreal, Ottawa, New York, Calgary, Los Angeles, London, and basically whatever city you want to mention have areas of dilapidated whatever and "red light districts", along with any requisite drug problems anywhere. Funny, drug addiction is in suburbia and "The Hamptons" as much as it is in any dilapidated strip mall.

    Ever been to Times Square? Ever been to Downtown Philly? How about 4th and Center in Calgary? How about the NY Subway system? Funny, these places have days where this "sewer stench" proliferates the air. I've smelt it on Robson in Vancouver, Pike in Seattle, Westheimer in Houston, 5th ave in NYC, Yongue in Toronto, etc etc etc.

    Disease infested pigeons under bridges is unique to Edmonton? No, there are not guano-dropping waterfowl in these vaunted port cities you hold in high esteem, nor do pigeons live under bridges in Devner...or when you leave many sports stadiums in North America or any theatre with a parking lot.

    As for druggies and alcoholics greeting you, I take it you've NEVER taken a bus in a major US city. The Greyhound terminal in these places are in areas you do NOT want to go. It makes the Grand look safe. How about some of the train terminals? How about the majority of the subway stations in the Northeast US?

    ...and don't start with our "aggressive" panhandlers. Until you've experienced San Francisco, you haven't experienced aggressive.

    It is for all of these reasons why I question what you are saying, and I say that Edmonton is more just growing up than being completely ugly. I have had the fortune to live in many other cities and see plenty of different designs, and what I see of Edmonton is more of a canvas to be painted and an attitude to be changed rather than a dirty, ugly city you portray. Our forefathers never imagined Edmonton being anything near the size or scale it is today, and that lack of planning shows in our urban fabric.
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    Touche...
    (BTW I saw you on the news)
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    I think its quite obvious that the LRT wont be reaching the International Airport anytime soon or ever for that matter. You dont see the C-Train pulling up at Calgary Airport do you?

    3 plausible extensions would be:

    -West Edmonton Mall
    -St Albert
    -Sherwood Park

    Having a connection to St Albert & Sherwood Park would SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the amount of traffic flow on major thoroughfares such as the Sherwood Park Freeway and St Albert Trail/Yellowhead Trail. These routes could be express and only have one major stop in both cities because both direct routes dont pass through heavily populated areas. Such as St Albert Trail is mostly an industrial/small business area.

    I think Edmonton would significantly benefit from an architectural icon but something like the CN Tower would have no purpose as there is no scenery to look out upon other than our sprawling city. Perhaps that is indeed enough for the avid traveller?

    Finally, for the roadways of Greater Edmonton its quite clear that some speed limits need to be revised and more bridges and lanes need to be built. One roadway in particular that causes probably the most grief in all of Edmonton is the Quesnell Bridge. This bridge is 3 lanes in each direction but for Eastbound traffic the immediate right lane branches off into an unnecessarily large 2-lane exit ramp to Fox Drive, since there isnt really significant information other than vague signage on this abrupt lane end, most people come to a screeching halt or get into an accident tryin to rush back into the other 2 lanes. Am I wrong or does Fox Drive really need 2 lanes to exit when theres hardly anyone ever taking the exit?

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    My wife stumbled on the top 10 ideas article in the 6 o'clock news today, way to go! This forum has come a long way since it's start 9 months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plazma
    Regarding ugly: Visit Ottawa, Vancouver, Victoria and Montreal where they actually invest in great architecture and then decide whether or not Edmonton is ugly. 97th Street, 118th Avenue, 66th Street - ugly. Unless dilapidated strip malls and drug-addicted prostitutes are your thing.
    I could take you on a guided tour of dilapidated strip malls, drug addicted prostitutes and insanely bad architecture in each and every one of those cities. I've lived in two of those cities, and have heard the same jealous bitching in every single one of them.

    I'll give you the bad architecture though. Man, but Edmonton's building have been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. And I'll give you that Edmonton could improve when it comes to litter. But that's comparing Edmonton to what it could be, not to another city.


    Quote Originally Posted by plazma
    Regarding dirty: Visit Ottawa, Vancouver, Victoria and Montreal where they actually clean the streets and then decide whether or not Edmonton is dirty. If Edmonton wasn't dirty, the street corners out front of City Hall wouldn't smell of sewer stench, the walk east towards Rexall Place wouldn't make you gag because of the disease-infested pigeons that have made their home under the bridge, and getting your first glimse of the city after getting off a Greyhound Bus wouldn't scare you because the first thing you see - the Grand Hotel - wouldn't have druggies or alcoholics greeting you.
    I remember being hit by the smell of human urine across from the Rideau Centre as I looked at the Terry Fox statue. Victoria dumps it's raw sewage into the ocean. Vancouver's lower east side is as bad a slum as anywhere in North America. Montreal has areas that would make you soil yourself if you find the Grand Hotel scary.

    Yes, the grass is greener over there, but that's cause they're spreading a lot more manure. If we took the bull by the horns and started spreading what we got, our grass would get even greener than theirs.

    Edmonton has the most diverse economy of any Canadian City, has more hours of sunshine, and has a cultural scene that is the envy of cities twice it's size. It has an economic hinterland that is enormous when you realize that it is the shopping destination for pretty much all of three of the territories, all of northern BC, Alberta, and a good chunk of Saskatchewan.

    My family chose to expand our business here, and the choice was made over Calgary, Vancouver, Toronto and Ottawa. The reason was that Edmonton had what we considered the best prospects for long term viability. A young, well educated population, with a good diverse mix of professionals, tradespeople and entrepeneurs, with disposable income left over after paying for their still very affordable housing.

    The basics are defintely in place for Edmonton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topher
    I think its quite obvious that the LRT wont be reaching the International Airport anytime soon or ever for that matter. You dont see the C-Train pulling up at Calgary Airport do you?

    3 plausible extensions would be:

    -West Edmonton Mall
    -St Albert
    -Sherwood Park
    ...actually, there are plans for the C-Train to go to YYC. As for an extension to YEG, that may be a way off but if it is cheaper than making Gateway and Calgary Trail freer flowing, I think you could sell it. I know several business clients who would take a 5-10 dollar one way fare over a $40 cab fare to downtown.

    As for LRT to St. Albert and Sherwood Park, that isn't going to happen until there is a better regional deal...aka St Albert and the County of Strathcona help PAY for it. That puts it in the realm of http://www.notgonnahappenbecauseregi...iticssucks.com.

    WEM is a no brainer, but I fear that the route chosen is doomed to fail as the residents of Laurier Heights et al will not want to have surface rail in their neighborhood. The option of tunnelling makes the line extremely costly. It is sad but I fear that this line is just not going to happen due to foot dragging politics...
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    Richard,

    Ok, I know I am stupid, but let me try to understand something. This top ten list is a weighted list with the most popular idea as number 1, the second one at number two most popular, and so on down the list, am I right? It isnt a list of the top ten ideas in no particular order, is it? Or how was this list made up, exactly? What role did the volunteers play other than making categories? I like the summaries though, and I am pleased to be one of hundreds contributing. Well done!

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    Why would you call yourself stupid?

    It is a weighted list with the #1 idea being the one that was viewed the most, talked about the most, and appeared in multiple threads as a needed idea. The rest fall in order after that.

    So, to plazma's original point, the board in its first 9 months of existence has seemingly focused on design and aesthetics. ...not so much as a reflection of dull and ugly but as a desire to turn the direction of this much ignored and lacking self-confidence city and change its direction.

    If this list is not reflecting the whole picture of the city, that can be understood due to our smaller population initially. However, at the Dream Big event where this contest was concluded, the people there from all walks of life seemed to agree with the overal theme.

    This list was weighted against a set of items that came out of a focus group discussion in November where 3 distinct groups went away and reviewed the ideas presented and submitted a group list. These 3 lists were then presented to the entire group and then debated to come up with an overall list. Not too surprisingly the results of the focus group mirrored the results of the original analysis with the differences being mainly focused in ranking.

    Please remember that for an idea to make this list, it had to be viewed by the focus group as feasible, something that Edmonton could promote, physicall possible, and something that we could actually see in this area within the next 5 years. So, ideas that were interesting but a bit fanciful didn't make it, ideas like moving the city to the ocean were out, and the posts and views did reflect that for the most part.
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    You know, I took a municipal politics course at the U of A in the eighties, and the professor there said that the current LRT was not exactly masterly planned by the city when it was originally built. I guess some surveys on ridership and the like were taken after the line was built, or something like that (it was a long time ago). The professor said that subway lines like ours are pretty darn expensive, and a more effective way to go was to put buses out to the outskirts where workers in most cities that need transportation would go to work. Ever since then I have been skeptical of the LRT, wondering if the big costs are justified. You have to show me that other ways arent more economical and effective in a transportation policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plazma
    6. Improve roadways[/b] - urban planning (as for building another bridge over the North Saskatchewan River - very bad idea! Edmonton needs to discourage vehicular travel, not encourage it - what about the new Smart Choices principles of transit-oriented design that the City approved? This is also obviously bad for the environment and the skyline too. All we need is another ugly bridge coming into downtown.)
    The bridge is needed because the High Level and Walterdale bridges are major bottlenecks on the route between downtown and the airport. The LRT and transit-oriented stuff should still be built, but the new bridge will still be needed not just for automotive commuters, but also for tourists, business travellers, trucks for transporting goods, and ETS buses. And who says the bridge has to be ugly? It can be one of the architectural icons that is sorely needed in this city.

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    Some great ideas

    By KERRY DIOTTE
    Thursday, January 04 2007
    The Edmonton Sun


    A website promoting the city has come up with a whack of good, grassroots ideas from ordinary Edmontonians who care about their town.

    Subscribers and visitors to the site www.connect2edmonton.com (C2E) were asked to enter a contest called "Great Ideas for a Greater Edmonton."

    "This Top-10 list is a sampling of hundreds of ideas - some long-term and some do-able in 2007 - submitted by Edmonton enthusiasts from all over the world," says Richard Skermer, C2E's volunteer co-chairman.

    The website is sponsored by Edmonton Economic Development Corporation and is aimed at connecting City of Champions fans the world over. The list was developed in large part by weighting C2E's Top-100 discussion threads.

    A drum roll is in order.

    The No. 10 idea on the list is to celebrate the High Level Bridge "with permanent lights, by running the waterfall throughout the summer and perhaps even by suspending a gallery or cafe from the bridge infrastructure."

    That's a little out there, but hey, why not?

    At No. 9 is the notion to encourage more public art - "statues, paintings and even light projections ... especially on the city's many unappealing concrete walls."

    I agree, so long as it's not going to cost taxpayers a fortune. How about a contest - paid by private enterprise - for the best mural in the city?

    No. 8 on the list of ideas dreamed up by Edmonton-lovers: Given we have an unprecedented boom, build an architectural icon, whether it be "a tall tower, new convention centre or stunning bridge."

    Good idea. How about building the nicest hockey arena in the world downtown? Oh, that came up, too. See the next item.

    No. 7: Build a new downtown arena.

    Agreed. Check out other major cities with new downtown sports facilities and you'll see how they spark a boom of restaurants, bars, shops and other entertainment.

    No. 6: Improve roadways. Build a new North Saskatchewan bridge and improve traffic flow from the downtown to the airport.

    Yes, improved roadways are top-of-mind for the vast majority of Edmontonians.

    No. 5: Enhance Edmonton's national image. "Aggressively promote (the city) nationally and internationally to attract visitors, new businesses and needed workers."

    The No. 4 item on the "Great Ideas" list is expansion of the LRT to West Edmonton Mall and to the international airport.

    I think that makes sense but I still figure we should do dedicated high-speed busways in various directions first.

    No. 3: Online visitors to the C2E site want to see a bid for the World's Fair and the launch of a major winter fair.

    I don't know about the latter. Quebec City and Ottawa have already beaten us to the punch.

    No. 2: Clean up the city. Visitors to the website figure we need a comprehensive plan with benchmarks to reduce litter, graffiti and panhandling. Many folks suggested a corporate contest to have businesses plant more flowers and trees.

    Another drum roll please ... The No. 1 idea from website contributors:

    Redevelop EPCOR's aging Rossdale power plant into something like chic Granville Island in Vancouver or The Forks in Winnipeg.

    I love that suggestion - especially the idea of a little tasteful development in the river valley.

    So what are your favourite ideas? I like the downtown arena idea. That would be a great legacy to build during this boom. Build the NHL's nicest, most-user friendly rink and spur the downtown in the process.

    Anyone out there have any other bright ideas or schemes? Let me know via e-mail or by posting to my blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topher
    I think its quite obvious that the LRT wont be reaching the International Airport anytime soon or ever for that matter. You dont see the C-Train pulling up at Calgary Airport do you?

    3 plausible extensions would be:

    -West Edmonton Mall
    -St Albert
    -Sherwood Park
    Extensions to St. Albert and Sherwood Park will not happen, at least in my lifetime. I agree with RichardS. There has to be better co-operation with surrounding municipalities. That means "Show me the money Sherwood park and St. Albert"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS
    CFRN's 6 o'clock news will feature this list and comments.
    Have the other media outlets featured the list? I've seen nothing in the Journal about it yet, nor in the few minutes of watching Global News this morning.

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    Not yet...
    Tired of being taken advantage of .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topher
    I think its quite obvious that the LRT wont be reaching the International Airport anytime soon or ever for that matter. You dont see the C-Train pulling up at Calgary Airport do you?

    3 plausible extensions would be:

    -West Edmonton Mall
    -St Albert
    -Sherwood Park

    Having a connection to St Albert & Sherwood Park would SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the amount of traffic flow on major thoroughfares such as the Sherwood Park Freeway and St Albert Trail/Yellowhead Trail. These routes could be express and only have one major stop in both cities because both direct routes dont pass through heavily populated areas. Such as St Albert Trail is mostly an industrial/small business area.
    WEM yes,
    NLRT yes (maybe a branch in 50 years +/- to st albert off this.
    I dont see a line running to Sherwood park in my lifetime.

    Rather, lets get the SLRT to Millwoods via 23 ave/28ave
    WLRT to Wem, and further to Lewis Heights,
    NLRT to Royal Alex, Kingsway and NAIT, and further to Northgate via 97 st.
    Quote Originally Posted by Topher
    Finally, for the roadways of Greater Edmonton its quite clear that some speed limits need to be revised and more bridges and lanes need to be built. One roadway in particular that causes probably the most grief in all of Edmonton is the Quesnell Bridge. This bridge is 3 lanes in each direction but for Eastbound traffic the immediate right lane branches off into an unnecessarily large 2-lane exit ramp to Fox Drive, since there isnt really significant information other than vague signage on this abrupt lane end, most people come to a screeching halt or get into an accident tryin to rush back into the other 2 lanes. Am I wrong or does Fox Drive really need 2 lanes to exit when theres hardly anyone ever taking the exit?
    As previous discussed in this forum, Tewillegar, Fox Drive, whitemud, and the Quesnell Bridge are all be upgraded and updated in the next 5-7 years. This included 3 dedicated lanes each way all the way through the whitemud, on/off ramps not included in this count. The Tewillegar interchange is to be completely redone, allowing less of a hair pin curve, and exits to tewilligar on the right hand side, as opposed to the exits from the fast lanes.

    Fox Drive carries a lot of traffic, and maybe it doesn't always require 2 lanes to exit, it certainly does at rush hour. This road carries travelers from and to the SW and West end, from and to the university, whyte ave and downtown.

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    Like everything except the bridge thing in #6.

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    Like everything except the bridge idea in #6.

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    2. Clean up the city
    Citizens are tired of complaining. Edmonton needs a comprehensive, year-round plan and measurable, public benchmarks to dramatically reduce litter (especially cigarette butts), graffiti and panhandling. C2E members also want more greenery throughout the city and suggest a corporate competition to encourage businesses to plant flowers and trees, especially along major thoroughfares.


    I guess we could do with some more clean up of litter although I have to say I'm a little bit surprised that this ranks #2 on the list. I never thought our litter problem was that bad. And I've had visitors from other countries visit and one of the first things they always comment on is how clean Edmonton is. I guess it's a matter of perspective.

    I do like the second part of this suggestion however which is to plant more flowers and trees. I think trees are desperately needed along major thoroughfares especially on medians of roads such as 97th street, castle downs road and 137th ave. (yes I'm biased to the north side).

    But if the main intent of idea #2 is to make our city more "pretty" then I'm definitely in favour.

    Now who can make this happen?

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    it isn't rank, it's a general top 10. And yes, it is needed!
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    oh, I thought I read somewhere earlier on in this thread that they are ranked according to popularity.

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    Actually, it is....

    Views

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    Frequency in appearing in other threads...and number of unique threads...that is how Rossdale made #1.

    What we are saying is that these are the ideas as per the metrics used...but #1 does NOT mean that this is the only MUST DO project for the city. It is just what the fourmers are talking about from inception to November 1, 2006.
    Tired of being taken advantage of .

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    Exactly, so not what we think communally is the most important (and thus ranked numerically), but just the mosted discussed.
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    Great list!
    So my question is, how do I sign up for helping with the implementation?

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    You just did...

    The one thing we (people on the forum) are trying to attack is getting sponsors in place to get the high level idea done...
    Tired of being taken advantage of .

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    I would like to see the dog park near rundle cleaned up or something done with it. They have a pond there that is infested and the dog's have been getting sick, i heard that it useto be the old dumping ground way back in the day, not sure if that has something to do with it. All the trees in the area are dying there is almost nothing left. Also i took my dog down yesterday and he came back from the river covered in Oil i pulled a bike, car tiree river allong with other junk to clean up a bit but wow i dont think i will be going back there anytime soon.

    Millcreek is a really nice spot for walking the dog too. But the water there is also very dumpy. Blocks of cement, rebar, garbage etc litred all throughout the ravine. it amazes me how some of these things get there. WE definalty could work on cleaning this city up

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    Looking at this thread from about four years ago, I think the ideas that have come to the forefront are (1), (2), (4) and (7), while (3) and (6) are in the works.
    "Talk minus action equals zero." - Joe Keithley, D. O. A.

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    Surprise... 8 of the 10 items on the list have to do with Urban Planning and Design.
    The remaining 2 would have a better chance of success with better (or any) Urban Planning and Design.

    - 1. Redevelop Rossdale --> urban planning

    - 2. Clean up the city --> urban design

    - 3. Launch Winter Festival / World’s Fair bid - a winter festival is just common sense given Edmonton is supposed to be "The Festival City"; as for the World's Fair bid, good luck - when you think of the world's greatest cities, Edmonton cannot compete with Paris, Rome, Vienna, etc., but it could if the urban design was better

    - 4. Expand the LRT - urban planning

    - 5. Enhance Edmonton’s national image - urban design would help this - most Canadians see Edmonton as a rough, dirty city and the murder capital of Canada, which is why we couldn't even give away free trips to people to come here

    - 6. Improve roadways - urban planning (as for building another bridge over the North Saskatchewan River - very bad idea! Edmonton needs to discourage vehicular travel, not encourage it - what about the new Smart Choices principles of transit-oriented design that the City approved? This is also obviously bad for the environment and the skyline too. All we need is another ugly bridge coming into downtown.)

    - 7. Build a new downtown arena - urban planning (but whoever plans this needs to make sure that they don't kill home values in the Highlands area in the process)

    - 8. Build an architectural icon - urban design

    - 9. Encourage more public art - urban design

    - 10. Celebrate the High Level Bridge - urban design

    - 11. Build an actual *high* rise tower in the downtown core, something say 45+ stories high?
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    Looking at some of these ideas, I think C2E (and the city) has had a gradual shift in thinking. We've gone from thinking from separate ideas (e.g., office buildings, iconic bridges) to more of a visionary systems-based thinking approach. The previous ideas were good (and needed) ones, but I think we've shifted to broader ideas like:

    (1) Improving the Downtown Core - Edmonton has recognized that the core needs much public investment, which has given rise to the downtown CRL.

    (2) A city-wide LRT network - The stock in LRT has risen substantially since the Health Sciences station opened six years ago. LRT has been extended south and the NAIT extension will open in two years. The SE and West extensions are not yet funded, but I think the city will "keep the eyes on the prize" as this goal has been set.

    (3) Improving the Government/Rossdale District - the Federal Public building and Capital Boulevard will be complete ready this year.

    (4) More arts and culture - the AGA is open, and the RAM will most likely go ahead later this year.

    (5) Expansion of Transit Service - Capital Region Transit plan, plus introduction of nighttime transit service and service to the International Airport.

    As many of these ideas illustrate, change and growth are also organic (e.g., the growth of 104 Street).
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    Quote Originally Posted by OilTastic/BigCityDude View Post
    Surprise... 8 of the 10 items on the list have to do with Urban Planning and Design.
    The remaining 2 would have a better chance of success with better (or any) Urban Planning and Design.

    - 1. Redevelop Rossdale --> urban planning

    - 2. Clean up the city --> urban design

    - 3. Launch Winter Festival / World’s Fair bid - a winter festival is just common sense given Edmonton is supposed to be "The Festival City"; as for the World's Fair bid, good luck - when you think of the world's greatest cities, Edmonton cannot compete with Paris, Rome, Vienna, etc., but it could if the urban design was better

    - 4. Expand the LRT - urban planning

    - 5. Enhance Edmonton’s national image - urban design would help this - most Canadians see Edmonton as a rough, dirty city and the murder capital of Canada, which is why we couldn't even give away free trips to people to come here

    - 6. Improve roadways - urban planning (as for building another bridge over the North Saskatchewan River - very bad idea! Edmonton needs to discourage vehicular travel, not encourage it - what about the new Smart Choices principles of transit-oriented design that the City approved? This is also obviously bad for the environment and the skyline too. All we need is another ugly bridge coming into downtown.)

    - 7. Build a new downtown arena - urban planning (but whoever plans this needs to make sure that they don't kill home values in the Highlands area in the process)

    - 8. Build an architectural icon - urban design

    - 9. Encourage more public art - urban design

    - 10. Celebrate the High Level Bridge - urban design

    - 11. Build an actual *high* rise tower in the downtown core, something say 45+ stories high?
    -12. close down muni airport and redevelop the land.
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    I thought I would bump this to see where we are...

    Hello all!

    Many of you here may remember that a few Edmonton forumers got together and made a group called PROMOTE-Edmonton. While that group still exists, it has spearheaded another Edmonton initiative that many of you here know of as Connect2Edmonton.

    Well, after a contest where we offered a trip for 2 to London, England as a reward for submitting your "Great Idea for a Greater Edmonton", we compiled the first annual Top Ten list from this event. For 2006, it is as follows.

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    Originally Posted by Connect2Edmonton
    News Release Jan. 2, 2006

    C2E announces top-10 ‘great ideas’ for Edmonton
    — Edmonton’s online community offers hundreds of ideas to enhance region

    Connect2Edmonton.com (C2E) --- an autonomous global community that encourages discussion and collaboration on topics of importance to Edmonton’s future --- has announced 10 priority ideas that have emerged from its recent “Great Ideas for a Greater Edmonton” contest.

    The ‘Great Ideas’ contest encouraged C2E members – membership is free for everyone – to submit all ideas, big and small, that could help enhance Greater Edmonton’s national profile, quality of life or future development. The intention of this unprecedented undertaking was to engage Edmonton enthusiasts worldwide in a positive dialogue to develop a new, inspirational regional vision.

    The hundreds of ideas submitted to the contest were overwhelmingly focused on six areas (in alphabetical order): art and architecture; cleaning up the city; downtown development; river valley development; tourism; and transportation.

    A year-end, top-10 list of ‘Great Ideas for Greater Edmonton’ was developed by weighting C2E’s top-100 discussion ‘threads’ (as determined by the number of postings and views that each ‘great idea’ attracted) with input from 16 C2E volunteers who responded to an all-member invite to participate in a panel discussion. Here is C2E’s top-10 list of Great Ideas for Greater Edmonton for 2007:

    1. Redevelop Rossdale
    Redevelop the EPCOR plant in Rossdale on a scale similar to Granville Island (Vancouver) or The Forks (Winnipeg) … preferably with an architectural icon, new river valley amenities and an aboriginal cultural centre.

    2. Clean up the city
    Citizens are tired of complaining. Edmonton needs a comprehensive, year-round plan and measurable, public benchmarks to dramatically reduce litter (especially cigarette butts), graffiti and panhandling. C2E members also want more greenery throughout the city and suggest a corporate competition to encourage businesses to plant flowers and trees, especially along major thoroughfares.

    3. Launch Winter Festival / World’s Fair bid
    There is significant interest in an annual winter festival to celebrate Edmonton’s destiny as the Gateway to the North and the largest northern-most major city in North America. Ideas to increase outdoor, winter activities include an amateur street hockey tournament. There is also interest in Edmonton making a bid to host a World’s Fair in 2017 to mark Canada’s 150th birthday.

    4. Expand the LRT
    Expansion of the LRT (and mass transportation in general) is critical --- planning should begin immediately for a West Edmonton Mall and Edmonton International Airport connection.

    5. Enhance Edmonton’s national image
    Edmonton needs to invest the needed resources on an ongoing basis to aggressively promote itself nationally and internationally to attract visitors, new businesses and needed workers.

    6. Improve roadways
    Edmonton desperately needs a new bridge over the North Saskatchewan River as well as an unimpeded flow of traffic from downtown to the airport beyond the planned 23rd Avenue interchange.

    7. Build a new downtown arena
    Although Edmonton’s downtown is growing, much more can be done to create more livable spaces and upgrade the city’s architectural standards to attract more residents … especially in East Jasper and Chinatown. C2E members favour a new downtown arena combined with a major, new recreation facility.

    8. Build an architectural icon
    Edmonton deserves a world-class architectural icon --- a tall tower, new convention centre or stunning bridge --- to set a new benchmark for development, mark its place as a major capital city and to extract a legacy dividend from the greatest economic boom in the city’s history.

    9. Encourage more public art
    Public art --- statues, paintings and even light projections --- are valued and need to be encouraged … especially on the city’s many unappealing concrete walls. More local artists should be commissioned and more local contests are needed to showcase local talent.

    10. Celebrate the High Level Bridge
    Edmonton’s signature landmark should be celebrated with permanent lights, by running the waterfall throughout the summer and perhaps even by suspending a gallery or café from the bridge infrastructure.

    “This top-10 list is just a sampling of hundreds of ideas --- some long-term and some doable in 2007 --- submitted by Edmonton enthusiasts from all over the world,” says Richard Skermer, C2E’s volunteer co-chair. “Everyone who cares about the future of our region is encouraged to review these inspiring submissions on C2E … and then collaborate online with people who passionately support these ideas to help transform our city.”

    A community leader will be identified and invited to write a guest column on C2E in response to each of these top-10 ideas.

    C2E has attracted 880 members in 20-plus countries and generated more than 18,000 postings in just nine months. Visit www.connect2edmonton.com to view a categorized list of all ‘great ideas’ collected.
    So, what do you all think?
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    "Great minds..."


    http://www.rewedmonton.ca/content_vi...ONTENT_ID=1977
    Connecting Edmonton
    by Lawrence Herzog
    Inside Edmonton | Vol. 25 No. 38 *| September 20, 2007

    Mentions lights plus is a very interesting article about the origins of c2e.

    http://metronews.ca/voices/urban-com...-effective-pr/

    January 13, 2013
    The city of Edmonton could use a little lesson in cost-effective PR
    By Terence Harding
    Metro Edmonton
    Excerpt:

    "Last May, I wrote a column about the 100th anniversary of the High Level Bridge. I opined that we should do something to celebrate its significance as one of only three of its type in Canada. I also suggested that lighting it was in order and that it should be done with LED lights or fibre optics because both use less electricity.

    Imagine my shock and awe when the city started discussing doing exactly that last week.

    However, I was even more surprised with the reporting on where the idea had come from. According to one news outlet, the mayor asked city staff for options last October after ATB Financial CEO Dave Mowat suggested lining the bridge with LEDs during a Pecha Kucha creative forum. Really? I suppose it’s possible Mowat and I came up with exactly the same idea as a way of celebrating the bridge’s 100th anniversary. And I guess my column isn’t one of the things the mayor reads in the clippings package he no doubt receives every day.

    The origin of the idea aside, ..."
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    Hello there,
    My name is Lenhard Harlingten. I have been wanting to share an idea about a project that would definitely put Edmonton on the map.
    The basic idea is simple: we have an Ice District centering on the hockey world . What about a Solar District? centering in solar theme. Imagine if we could get local builders to display solar roofing (solar city 5 type of roofing tiles) on their show homes as a demonstration and option for the house buyers. Now an ideal place for the Solar District would be on the old city airport. Imagine a cull the sac with 5 showhomes from different builders in a designated area. All king of solar project can evolve from there. It would connect Edmonton to California, Elon Musk as he own Solar City and other project. It would be a nice showcase for what is possible and would definitely show an other aspect of the Albertan.
    So i am basically looking for a few people that would be interested to develop the idea, a kind of stearing committe so we can approach the city and some builders and see where it leads.

    Any suggestion?
    to get the idea, you can go to youtube, search for Elon Musk Solar roofing. You will see a video demonstrating the solar roofing tiles. The showhome are in the cull the sac with the 4 types of roofing tiles.
    You also see the panel storing the electricity, a Tesla in the garage, etc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPEwzp9gr7U

    The idea is not a promotion for Musk. It is more looking at creating a buz for Edmonton, like Ice district, , The Katz Group/Oilers
    It create a hub attracting all kind of economical activities.

    Imagine the oil country initiating such a display for the future; we can draw research, tech company, world connection.
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    Neat idea. Cities everywhere are jumping at the chance to be among those that test self-driving cars so why not new solar.

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