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    Well I think its perfectly fine to discuss the route as the city has decided. There are some good things they have decided upon and there are a few things that need to be reviewed for sure. As I mentioned before, the other thread was created to discuss other route options and I think that is where the routes such as Health Sciences/87th should be discussed and debated. Personally I may like that other route option but I don't think this thread needs to have that discussion. Issues here should really focus on tweaks to the proposed line, grade separations, etc... That's my two cents on that anyways.
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    alley Line West LRT stops and stations names released
    April 25, 2018

    The City of Edmonton’s Naming Committee has announced the approved names for the 14 street-level stops and two elevated stations along the future Valley Line West LRT extension:

    Alex Decoteau Stop
    Norquest Stop
    MacEwan Arts/112 Street Stop
    The Yards/116 Street Stop
    Brewery/120 Street Stop
    124 Street Glenora Stop
    Grovenor/142 Street Stop
    Stony Plain Road/149 Street Stop
    Jasper Place Stop Glenwood/Sherwood Stop
    Meadowlark Stop
    Misericordia Station
    West Edmonton Mall Station
    Aldergrove/Belmead Stop
    Lewis Farms Stop

    The stop names were primarily chosen based on location to support passenger wayfinding. The Alex Decoteau Stop pays tribute to Alex Decoteau, who joined the Edmonton Police Service in 1911, becoming Canada’s first Indigenous police officer. The Yards/116 St. Stop is a historic reference to the CN Rail Yards that previously operated in the area.

    As part of the City Planning Branch, the Naming Committee approves names for municipal facilities, new neighbourhoods, parks and roads. This name selection process involves input from City administration and consultation with Citizen Working Groups along the Valley Line route.

    The 14 km Valley Line West extension is the second stage of the Valley Line LRT, an urban-style 27 km line that will operate between Mill Woods in southeast Edmonton and Lewis Farms in west Edmonton.

    The project team is reviewing the preliminary design completed in 2013, and working to be procurement-ready later this year. Once procurement begins, the Valley Line West LRT Project will take approximately one year to select a contractor and another five years for construction.


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    Once again I will voice my displeasure at the / names knowing that it will not make any difference. I wish they would just pick one. Add the cross streets to the map and be done with it.

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    ^concur.

    Love that they chose Alex Decoteau as the stop name and of course The Yards!
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    Some of them are a miss (e.g. Stony Plain/149 St, MacEwan Arts, Glenwood/Sherwood) but the rest are fine with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ^concur.

    Love that they chose Alex Decoteau as the stop name and of course The Yards!
    Agreed. Names like those give the surrounding areas a more tangible identity which locals and tourists can identify with. Even just using the neighbourhood name will make a difference for places like Grovenor, Belmead, etc. since I bet if you asked 100 Edmontonians where Grovenor is they'd look at you like you have 3 heads.

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    Good grief. We can't even have simple/easy to read/speak names for our stops/stations on our tram/streetcar line.

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    They should shorten the hyphenated names
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    This reminds me that there was at least 1 opening on the naming committee last year. Missed opportunity for all.

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    I hope our "transportation department" realizes Edmonton is a winter city, and those 2 bike lanes will be optimized for about 6 months of the year. Yes there is a small segment of our population that bikes even in the winter. And why do we need 2 bike lanes? Its not like we're going to have bumper to bumper bikes traffic on one lane.
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    A lane for each direction?

    Despite your opinion, there is a growing group of cyclist that use 102 avenue year round, and they have been using 102 ave for a lot longer than bike lanes have existed

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    We need two bike lanes because bikes in the bike lanes will be going two different directions. with only one lane it would be difficult to pass each other.

    Especially if there are cargo bikes or family bikes or trailers or adaptive bikes or trikes involved.
    There can only be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I hope our "transportation department" realizes Edmonton is a winter city, and those 2 bike lanes will be optimized for about 6 months of the year. Yes there is a small segment of our population that bikes even in the winter. And why do we need 2 bike lanes? Its not like we're going to have bumper to bumper bikes traffic on one lane.
    I hope that citizens realize that Edmonton is an evolving, young, inclusive and active city that needs a more balanced modal offering. If you incentivize the vehicle over other healthier, less expense options, you create a cycle that does not beget a people friendly city.
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    I really, really, really dislike these stupid hybrid names. Why can pretty much every other station in the world get along with a single name but people ehre are too dumb to remember where they stops are?

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    Why do they have to say stop after every station name? So freaking annoying we know it is a stop no need to tell us that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I hope our "transportation department" realizes Edmonton is a winter city, and those 2 bike lanes will be optimized for about 6 months of the year. Yes there is a small segment of our population that bikes even in the winter. And why do we need 2 bike lanes? Its not like we're going to have bumper to bumper bikes traffic on one lane.
    I hope that citizens realize that Edmonton is an evolving, young, inclusive and active city that needs a more balanced modal offering. If you incentivize the vehicle over other healthier, less expense options, you create a cycle that does not beget a people friendly city.
    But let's keep expanding the city outwards without providing adequate bus service to compensate, thereby making the roads more congested. And then let's make those roads worse by enforcing ludicrous speed limits and an overabundance of bike lanes. That'll work!

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    I appreciate all of that but 2 bike lanes in any case is a bit overkill. As I indicated there is a segment of the cycling community that bikes all year around, i get that. Personally I think its reckless behavior, to ride a bike in the winter, but that's just me.

    The Way We Move, in this city is predominantly by car/suv/truck/bus etc. I don't know where you all are from but I actually live here in Edmonton, for 40 years in fact. I can count (even in summer) how many times I see bike riders peddling around during the day, on one hand. Maybe I'm speaking to bike enthusiasts here I don't know. Now, I don't own a car. I take public transit. But if the render above is any indication of the finale word on the subject, this city (transportation wise) is going to be in trouble. I'll stick with the bus and Capital line thanks. Just saying
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ^concur.

    Love that they chose Alex Decoteau as the stop name and of course The Yards!
    But Ian there are no Yards there. How does that help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Why do they have to say stop after every station name? So freaking annoying we know it is a stop no need to tell us that.
    There's a difference between a stop and a station. A station has integrated connections to the bus system. A stop is more basic. It's like referring to Stadium by name but it's called Stadium Station.

    Wagner will be a station, not a stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ^concur.

    Love that they chose Alex Decoteau as the stop name and of course The Yards!
    But Ian there are no Yards there. How does that help?
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    I'm sure Glenco meant stations.

    Having names at each station is important so people will know where they are. I'd opine that 80% of LRT riders have earbuds in their ears and can't hear the announcement "Stadium station," etc. but can see the red digital scroll at the end of each car.
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    So they're naming it after something that isn't there? Isn't that contrary to their whole "We must have two names for the stations" that they're doing? Isn't that why Bay got changed?

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    ^^^Which we should have used to reserve a ROW for a LRT corridor. If we'd had any foresight as a city we'd have done so.

    Just call it Oliver Square 'Stop' FCOL.

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    Bay/Enterprise station for example.

    Or when the Coliseum gets demolished, then what are we going to call it 118th Street station?
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    Oops, I meant Bay/Enterprise square.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Why do they have to say stop after every station name? So freaking annoying we know it is a stop no need to tell us that.
    There's a difference between a stop and a station. A station has integrated connections to the bus system. A stop is more basic. It's like referring to Stadium by name but it's called Stadium Station.

    Wagner will be a station, not a stop.
    Then no need to say stop every time. Designate stations as transit hubs and leave it at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo
    I appreciate all of that but 2 bike lanes in any case is a bit overkill.


    You don't seem to appreciate that bikes can travel both East and West, for some reason. In any case, the lanes are already present on 102 Avenue, and are well used. Are you honestly proposing a single 3-4 foot wide lane to handle bi-directional bike travel? That's quite frankly idiotic and would lead to tons of collisions between bikers. You know, like the problems we're already having on the High Level Bridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Why do they have to say stop after every station name? So freaking annoying we know it is a stop no need to tell us that.
    There's a difference between a stop and a station. A station has integrated connections to the bus system. A stop is more basic. It's like referring to Stadium by name but it's called Stadium Station.

    Wagner will be a station, not a stop.
    Then no need to say stop every time. Designate stations as transit hubs and leave it at that.
    It's just specifying which is which for the press release. People will just call it by name and leave off the stop or station. I still refer to Bay station as Bay, dropping the Enterprise Square. Strangely, people seem to know which station I'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Why do they have to say stop after every station name? So freaking annoying we know it is a stop no need to tell us that.

    the routing has been decided it is getting built as is. Move on.

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    Yeah, these hyphenated, lengthy names are crazy. What's the point of a street numbering system if we totally ignore it?

    102 ave bike lanes? Yep, lots of use, well worth it. (and I don't even cycle)
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    Funny how we have buses with three number routes and 4 number bus stops.

    Central
    Bay
    University
    Belvedere
    all works

    What if we call Belvedere station
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Why do they have to say stop after every station name? So freaking annoying we know it is a stop no need to tell us that.

    the routing has been decided it is getting built as is. Move on.
    Whaaat. Sounds like you have a bee in your bonnet.
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    Stop and stations are different things

    But who the frig cares. It is an uber expendive sloth streetcar to a golf course community with fancy hyphenated names...

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    That "golf course community" has a substantial amount of families, immigrants, immmigrant families, young teens and kids, downtown office workers, mall workers, mall visitors... and how do I know this? Becuase I take the bus out that way. Lots of people transfer or carry thrugh West Ed Transit Centre off to Lewis Estates to get home at rush hour (yes especially), but also late at night on some of the last buses of the night that carry a lot of people over 40 and those working the last shift at the mall home.
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    If you live outside the AHD circle, you don't deserve heavily subsidized public transit. Period. Full stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    If you live outside the AHD circle, you don't deserve heavily subsidized public transit. Period. Full stop.
    what about outside the inner ring road? Do those areas deserve it? They were once far flung suburbs too. Or even simply outside the downtown core? I mean, Jasper Place was a whole separate town once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    If you live outside the AHD circle, you don't deserve heavily subsidized public transit. Period. Full stop.
    Why? Those outside the Henday pay the same mill rate as those inside the henday. Your answer should be interesting. With Edmonton's spreadout workforce, sometimes it doesn't make sense to live centrally, when you work on the fringes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    If you live outside the AHD circle, you don't deserve heavily subsidized public transit. Period. Full stop.
    Guess I'm screwed too by this logic as I live in the Orchards area...

    Do explain.

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