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    Default Reuse ideas for the old planetarium

    The old planetarium is an architectural gem that is currently being used as a storage shed. Let's think of some good reuse possibilities.

    Good ideas:
    Pub or restaurant
    Museum
    Music venue

    Goofy idea:
    Bring back the old light shows with Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd music, for the sake of 70s campy nostalgia!


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    Holodeck.
    Turn the thing into a holographic theatre. It'd be neat personally.

    http://www.musion.co.uk/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkOffj04xGA

    First planetarium in Canada and it's trashed now. While Pink Floyd laser shows are retro, if you did a holographic display system on the ceiling, it'd allow designers to create interactive music shows which would be like laser light shows 2.0.

    'It's so cool, you don't even need drugs to enjoy it'.

    You'd have a great audience for something like that. It'd look like the roof at Hogwarts.
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    Well Armin

    For once you and I agree

    Neat idea

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    how about use it as a planetarium?
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    Where is this?
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    ^Coronation Park. It's the structure with the silvery roof and elliptical lawn in front of it.

    http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&...22423&t=h&z=16

    Back in the days before IMAX, internet and video games this was probably one of the coolest virtual reality experiences for a kid.
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    Move it to Fort Edmonton or - to the new Edmonton Airport Lands development site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    how about use it as a planetarium?
    That would be ideal given its historical significance. Perhaps it should be gifted to the UofA's astronomy department?
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    Resto-pub is my vote. As I noted on SSP, nothing of any character or ambience anywhere near here.

    Planetarium is tempting but the Space Sciences Centre fills that bill and IIRC the world wasn't exactly beating a path to the QE's door when it was just that 3 decades ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercucio View Post
    Resto-pub is my vote. As I noted on SSP, nothing of any character or ambience anywhere near here.
    If that is the case would anyone go out of their way to visit said Resto-pub?
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    Quote Originally Posted by norwoodguy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    how about use it as a planetarium?
    That would be ideal given its historical significance. Perhaps it should be gifted to the UofA's astronomy department?
    Or to the Catholic School Board / One Kingsway.

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    ^^ The area could use a place with some character and ambience. It would not have a lot of competition. Also plenty of (free & convenient) parking on the north side of the Queen E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercucio View Post
    ^^ The area could use a place with some character and ambience. It would not have a lot of competition. Also plenty of (free & convenient) parking on the north side of the Queen E.
    In my books the park is a form of ambience although not probably not of the sort that you have in mind. Not sure having the planetarium repurposed as a pub/resto necessarily adds to the ambience since it would be hidden inside the park.
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    ^ Lots of room for a patio there which would take advantage of the park ambience - which I think is great BTW.

    IMHO this park is underutilized (And always has been - I went to Shep in the70s. Other than Phys Ed at the tennis courts, don't remember ever using it, and I lived nearby.) and something like this would be a traffic builder.

    However, not married to the pub/resto concept by any means.

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    I went to Shep for a year.

    That area is greatly underused and has a lot of potential.
    It's a good place to take a date. It's quiet, secluded, and during the summer, it's a nice little place to walk around.

    The planetarium along with the observatory and the science centre would make a great little themed 'science' park.

    The planetarium has a history but it's really outdated in comparison to the technology available now. It's such a great building though that seeing it run down is just depressing.

    You could do so much fun stuff by incorporating a new visual display system. Turn it into a projection gallery for interactive media installations even. Do a cross collab with GMCC or NAIT or U of A. They all have animation departments.

    How about a holographic projected planetarium where kids can look up and see crazy good animations to the stars, but then be able to physically interact with the display.
    That would be fun.

    PS: Thanks Tom, I saw you on tv. You got your point across well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armin View Post

    PS: Thanks Tom, I saw you on tv. You got your point across well.
    Thanks Armin

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    hot little cocktail and music-stage venue
    Still waiting for the Arlington site to be reborn .......

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    Just one argument in favor of a resto...how successful is the Stanley Park Teahouse in Vancouver?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Just one argument in favor of a resto...how successful is the Stanley Park Teahouse in Vancouver?
    Coronation Park is by no means comparable in terms of a destination that Stanley Park is.
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    Would the city allow rezoning it to a restaurant with a patio? Isn't that why all our patios are next to major roads and bus lanes?

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    If they build the new velodrome in Coronation Park, maybe they can incorporate the planetarium into the plan.
    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...439/story.html
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    the park from the air...




    OK so how do I get photos to show up?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5487247238
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    ^ Checked the link with the picture. It really is a very pretty park with scads of potential. There's no question it's underutilized. Some sort of destination with the planetarium would be a good idea.

    Most of the traffic is probably generated by the Space Sciences Centre and it's obvious from this picture that it largely cuts off the park and isn't really that integrated with it.

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    I think the placement of the Space Science Centre was a shame since it obliterated some of the sidewalk. (Does anyone know anything about what it represented? See aerial photo link above.)

    It's all a bit like one artist painting over another artist's work. But then, didn't Cardinal face the same thing when they slapped that addition onto the side of his work of 'art'. Seems so disrespectful.

    http://www.djcarchitect.com/portfoli...ntonspace.html

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    Wow. Never new this existing. One of the drawbacks of not experiencing my childhood in Edmonton.


    I can't see a restaurant or pub being even remotely successful in this location. It's just too remote.

    An open stage concert venue would work. Same with repurposing it as a small type of museum or gallery.

    How does the ownership of The Telus World of Science and this facility work? I don't understand why it hasn't been integrated into the Telus facilities in the past...

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    Bump...bring back the classic rock laser light shows to the Planetarium!
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    So I read the history of the planetarium and it's interesting. I'm also glad that the building is on the register for historic buildings which gives it some protection. One big question I have, why did it close?
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    ^ If you read the same history I did:
    http://www.telusplanet.net/public/hg...P/history.html
    - attendance fell
    - only seated 65 people
    - built swanky new TWOS next to it that served same purpose and much more

    At the very least, I hope TWOS turns it into some kind of public use again. Looking at their long-term plans, I think they will but don't know what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blainehamilton View Post
    Wow. Never new this existing. One of the drawbacks of not experiencing my childhood in Edmonton.


    I can't see a restaurant or pub being even remotely successful in this location. It's just too remote.

    An open stage concert venue would work. Same with repurposing it as a small type of museum or gallery.

    How does the ownership of The Telus World of Science and this facility work? I don't understand why it hasn't been integrated into the Telus facilities in the past...
    In my view you've hit upon a common problem, the city putting its buildings like rec centres off the main streets. They need prime locations to draw people in and to show them off to the world.

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    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...dmontonjournal

    The park makeover also includes a more modest plan, somewhere in the $8-million range, to refurbish the beautiful Queen Elizabeth II Planetarium. The circular glass and fieldstone building, with its futuristic gold anodized aluminum frames and flying saucer dome, opened in 1959. It’s on the city’s A-list of historic resources, but it’s been mothballed for years. The proposal would be to restore the building, remove its asbestos insulation and make it wheelchair accessible, so that community groups could make proper use of it.
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    I like community use to allow amenities and a 'magnetic point' for the park. Washrooms, kitchen, seating, rentable, fully accessible. Could easily be useful.
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    Here's nighttime views then and now.








    Also more discussion and fairly recent photos here:


    Post #317 shows a nice aerial shot of the park layout. It's a fair distance in to this building.

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    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...?t=6482&page=4


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    How about we get one of these:



    And use the space as intended?

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    As some of you will recall, when the Edmonton Space Sciences Centre opened in 1984, the centrepiece was the very first Zeiss GP85 Cosmorama (at the time, the most advanced star projector in the world) under the 23-metre dome of the Margaret Zeidler Star Theatre. In addition to "Sophie", the planetarium had about 300 conventional projectors (slide and film) and a Laser Fantasy laser projector.

    In 2008, the Zeidler Theatre was renovated. Sophie was showing her age, and so she and all her analog friends were removed and replaced by digital full-dome projectors. This upgrade greatly enhanced the versatility of the space, but when it comes to the original purpose of the facility—simulating the night sky—even the most advanced digital system can never match the visual sharpness and contrast of an optical star projector.


    I took the liberty of contacting Seiler Instruments, the North American dealer for Zeiss planetariums, and got a quote for the Skymaster ZKP 4, which is the model pictured in my previous post. Including installation and training, the basic projector is about US$739,000, with various optional modules available at additional charge.

    The ZKP 4 projector is designed for use in domes between 6m and 15m diameter (QEII is 7.9m), projecting approximately 7000 stars, plus the sun and moon, planets, galaxies, and nebulae. Its LED lamps provide pure white light without the yellowish tinge of previous generation carbon arc or halogen light sources.


    Because the Telus World of Science uses only fulldome projection, it seems unnecessary to me to be concerned about duplicating that capacity in the QEII. The target audience, then, would probably skew to either serious astronomy enthusiasts, people nostalgic for the traditional style of the presentations, and those interested in the historical aspect of the building. Besides hosting the obvious elementary school field trips and educational lectures, potential uses for the space are virtually endless. Intimate weddings under the "stars," swank cocktail evenings, astro-navigation training, the sky's the limit (pun intended).


    If anyone would like to see the actual quote, let me know and I'll PM it to you.

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    ^
    Might want to email [email protected] with the info, too.

    I'd rather have a resurgent planetarium then a giant litter box in Louise McKinney park; the projector is about the same price as the sand for that proposed project. You might even want to email Tencer and Grose over at Ched the suggestion as an alternate to the McKinney beach; the particularly don't like it
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    When I was last in the QEP there was a lot of work required to bring it back. It was a glorified storage room. The HVAC unit was replace but the old furnace system is still in place as well. The under-slab ducting had some water in it so expect mold and there is asbestos wrap.
    I want this building preserved and you suggestion to install a new projector is great. I like the idea of renting it out as well. When I was a kid sitting in there I thought the room was massive. when I went back in about 8 years ago I saw how small it was.

    I always remember sitting back and watching the transition from twilight to night time. the silhouette of the city skyline around the edges. and the cool feel of the room. I cannot remember how many school trips and cub scout trips we went on but I will always remember looking at the stars.

    I have not gone to the MZ theater more than once since it was open.

    Maybe its time we start a crowd fund to get this back into play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalancedOP View Post
    When I was last in the QEP there was a lot of work required to bring it back. It was a glorified storage room. The HVAC unit was replace but the old furnace system is still in place as well. The under-slab ducting had some water in it so expect mold and there is asbestos wrap.
    I want this building preserved and you suggestion to install a new projector is great. I like the idea of renting it out as well. When I was a kid sitting in there I thought the room was massive. when I went back in about 8 years ago I saw how small it was.

    I always remember sitting back and watching the transition from twilight to night time. the silhouette of the city skyline around the edges. and the cool feel of the room. I cannot remember how many school trips and cub scout trips we went on but I will always remember looking at the stars.

    I have not gone to the MZ theater more than once since it was open.

    Maybe its time we start a crowd fund to get this back into play.
    I figure there should always be a place for small groups maybe of small stature. It was a good size in its day and we don't need to scale up everything just because our population has grown.

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    Now, the monarchist in me says no, but the rest of me thinks that it should be renamed to something a little more concise. Perhaps the Edmonton Planetarium, or the Jubilee Planetarium. I think the Queen has enough buildings named after her that she won't miss one little one...

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    How about a little museum of bad urban planning decisions?

    Sure that won't fly with the fans (and I 3/4 heartedly appologise for the sarcasm) but I trust the point I'm genuine about will be taken as balance to the discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    How about a little museum of bad urban planning decisions?
    Nonsense, that should be housed in a plastic tent (a la Metropolis) beside the Talus Balls.

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    Let's make Edmonton better.

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    Anyway, a museum like that would be far too large for the planetarium. Maybe the old Royal Alberta Museum building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    How about a little museum of bad urban planning decisions?

    Sure that won't fly with the fans (and I 3/4 heartedly appologise for the sarcasm) but I trust the point I'm genuine about will be taken as balance to the discussion.
    sarcasm on c2e? Are you insane.

    I would suggest a 'The Cash Store' or 'The Brick/Leons' corporate headquarters for the old planetarium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stunkermann View Post
    I would suggest a 'The Cash Store' or 'The Brick/Leons' corporate headquarters for the old planetarium.
    Well, it would draw more traffic to the park...

    Quote Originally Posted by BalancedOP View Post
    When I was last in the QEP there was a lot of work required to bring it back. It was a glorified storage room. The HVAC unit was replace but the old furnace system is still in place as well. The under-slab ducting had some water in it so expect mold and there is asbestos wrap.
    I want this building preserved and you suggestion to install a new projector is great. I like the idea of renting it out as well. When I was a kid sitting in there I thought the room was massive. when I went back in about 8 years ago I saw how small it was.

    I always remember sitting back and watching the transition from twilight to night time. the silhouette of the city skyline around the edges. and the cool feel of the room. I cannot remember how many school trips and cub scout trips we went on but I will always remember looking at the stars.

    I have not gone to the MZ theater more than once since it was open.

    Maybe its time we start a crowd fund to get this back into play.
    On a serious note, though, it's great to hear some first-hand accounts. If anyone else remembers visiting the planetarium, it would be awesome to hear from you too.

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    ^Could we have a real-time link to a camera on the international space station? Or Hubble telescope?

    Walk in, sit down, marvel at the cosmos 24/7?

    Maybe someone at the Canadian Space Agency could naval gaze beyond Montreal's Metropolitan Boulevard and see some possibilities?

    Nah. Never happen, I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    ^Could we have a real-time link to a camera on the international space station? Or Hubble telescope?

    Walk in, sit down, marvel at the cosmos 24/7?
    Wouldn't be enough bandwidth, unfortunately.

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    Landmark planetarium needs new mission to live long and prosper
    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Simon...296/story.html

    Finally some movement on this.
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    Story on CBC Radio this morning. Sounds this is going forward.

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    Restoring the jewel in the crown of Coronation Park
    http://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/c...oronation-park

    t’s back to the future for Edmonton’s long-deserted Queen Elizabeth II Planetarium.

    The city and the Telus World of Science-Edmonton have come to an agreement to renovate and restore the beautiful old planetarium as a teaching, reception and production space. The deal will take one of Edmonton’s truly landmark buildings out of stasis and give it a new mission.

    “It was the right thing for us to do, to work with the city to bring the QEP back to life,” says Alan Nursall, president and CEO of the Telus World of Science. “It’s our heritage. It’s our legacy. It’s where we came from. We want to preserve it as an icon of Edmonton history.”

    The city has commissioned Architecture|Tkalcic Bengert to come up with designs to restore the building to its 1960 glory, complete with updates to make it accessible for people in wheelchairs and others with mobility impairments. The city also plans, at long last, to grant the building heritage designation and protection.

    “We’re more than halfway through the design process,” says Trish Kuffler, the city’s program manager for facility design and construction.

    The city plans to put the construction contract out to tender in the first quarter of 2017. The hope is to start construction this spring and for the Telus World of Science to take possession in time for the 2018 summer camp season.

    The project will have a budget of about $6.6 million.

    It’s a sensible plan for one of Edmonton’s most quirky and beautiful works of public architecture, and for Canada’s first public planetarium.
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    Great news!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    the park from the air...

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5487247238

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    Plus a video here:

    Queen Elizabeth ll Planetarium designated Edmonton historic resource

    By Karen Bartko March 22, 2017 1:44 pm Online Journalist Global News

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3327842/qu...oric-resource/


    It should look so cool once it's cleaned up.






    https://i.cbc.ca/1.4036267.149020215...lanetarium.jpg

    Iconic Edmonton planetarium designated as municipal historic resource
    'Space-age design ... has the appearance of a spacecraft hovering off the ground'
    CBC News Posted: Mar 22, 2017


    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...urce-1.4036256




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