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    Yes, that is the only use for this product

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    An update on what Microsoft is working on that's quite interesting. It's called C-Shell and is basically a new Windows shell that will automatically render Windows according to the device, which means the same operating system will run on desktop, tablet, mobile, xbox and hololens. Here's a video of how it will look on mobile (pre-release obviously).


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    Very sleek design Google Pixel 2 is something I like a lot











    http://bgr.com/2017/06/12/google-pixel-2-release-date-nearing-design-imagined/
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    That is what I am holding out for, a close second is the Essential Phone. The Pixel 2 can't come soon enough, time for my Nexus 6 to get retired to the kids.

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    Very cool documentary on the creation of the first IPHONE - well worth a look:

    http://www.wsj.com/video/how-the-iph...ng_now_video_1

    The designers started with an IPOD, and were worried about phones taking the place of it. But they couldn't get the keyboard to work without turning it into a rotary phone. The idea of miniaturizing the tablet came up, then the focus turned to "how do we get the keyboard to work"? All the attempts at a keyboard were a failure until they put everyone on the task and trialed various different versions. The one that works, actually anticipates your key touches, it increases the hit zone for the key you might hit next (if you hit T first, then the H zone invisibly grows bigger). Fascinating stuff.

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    Cool.

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    The predictive, multitouch keyboard changed everything in terms of interaction & UI design.

    While Apple was working on that, Android phones looked like this:

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    Sharp is reportedly launching two new devices in July that appear to be completely bezel-less.

    http://mobilesyrup.com/2017/06/30/sh...ampaign=buffer



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    Pretty sweet displays!

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    Wow. Love it.

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    Interesting - there have been rumors of problems for a while, with the elimination of the home button / all glass front as proposed. Not wanting the inelegant solution of sticking the sensor on the back, basically taking the Samsung idea, but trying to make it work properly:

    But Gurman’s report says that Apple’s going to simply replace the fingerprint sensor with face and eye scanning technology that’s a lot more advanced and more secure than anyone else’s — cough, Samsung, cough. Samsung was first to implement iris-based phone unlocking, but the technology can supposedly be hacked quite easily.

    Apple’s iris sensor will also incorporate a depth sensor that will prevent hackers from using photos to fool it. Furthermore, the sensor can supposedly scan a user’s iris and face “within a few hundred milliseconds,” and works even if the device is laying flat on a table.
    http://bgr.com/2017/07/04/iphone-8-r...uch-id-sensor/

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    Personally I've come to like the fingerprint sensor on the back of the S8. At first I didn't, but now that I'm used to it, it's really grown on me. Pretty concerning that the iris scanning is so easily hacked, though.

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    ^which is supposedly overcome by the depth sensor on the Apple - I guess will see if true or not. A big criticism of the fingerprint scanner on back is people keep touching / smudging the camera lens. I actually don't like the touch ID on my apple even on the front button - I find its finicky / annoying.

    If they can get this thing to work, I guess its inevitable that the future will be like those science fiction movies where you can just enter a building by an iris scan.
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    I barely use my camera, so maybe that's why it doesn't bother me. Also, my phone case acts as a good guide for where my finger needs to go (https://www.spigen.com/products/gala...nt=30614663425). I set it up with my two index fingers, instead of my thumbs as I had on my S6. So when I reach in to my pocket to grab my phone, by the time I've got it facing me my index finger has already unlocked the phone.

    That being said, after having never cracked or significant damaged a cell phone ever, I got a screen crack on the S8 within a week. Mainly because of the rounded edges resulting in the Neo-Hybrid case not having raised sides that would protect the screen when the phone is dropped. My S6 had the same case, and it was dropped face down numerous times with no problem. First time it happened with the S8, screen crack.

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    Samsung was first to implement iris-based phone unlocking, but the technology can supposedly be hacked quite easily.

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    Actually Microsoft was the first to do it using "Windows hello" on the Lumia 950 XL, which happens to be the phone I've been using for the last two years. The same technology is used in the desktop version of windows 10.

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    No, the first smartphone with an iris scanner was a Fujitsu running Android.

    http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/734f3403

    Your Lumia was introduced about half a year later.
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    Ah. Well, in any case it wasn't Samsung, but I guess we're long past the days where we could expect reporters to fact check what they write. Which is especially annoying since it's never been easier to fact check.

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    Wow! Nearing 4,000 posts on this thread! I'm not sure what that says about us.

    Anyway, fascinating news item below, especially I guess if you worry about your phone battery dying. (I'm usually better off when my device dies.)



    "University of Washington researchers have invented a cellphone that requires no batteries -- a major leap forward in moving beyond chargers, cords and dying phones. "

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0705164453.htm

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    Microsoft is cutting 3,000 jobs as part of a major reorganization


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    Jul 6, 2017 at 16:10 GMT



    Microsoft announced a major sales reorganization earlier this week. The company is reorganizing its sales team at its HQ in Redmond, and the changes are also affecting local teams throughout the world. As rumored, Microsoft is cutting a total of up to 3,000 jobs today as part of its major sales reorganization — which is 10% of its entire sales force. Microsoft currently has 121 thousand employees worldwide, 71 thousand of which are in the United States.
    The latest round of layoffs is actually affecting teams outside of United States. 75% of the 3,000 employees that are being laid off are outside of the United States. The reorganization sharpens the sales team’s focus on the cloud with a new Enterprise Operating Unit.

    “Microsoft is implementing changes to better serve our customers and partners,” a Microsoft spokesperson told CNBC in a statement. “Today, we are taking steps to notify some employees that their jobs are under consideration or that their positions will be eliminated. Like all companies, we evaluate our business on a regular basis. This can result in increased investment in some places and, from time-to-time, re-deployment in others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    No, the first smartphone with an iris scanner was a Fujitsu running Android.

    http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/734f3403

    Your Lumia was introduced about half a year later.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Ah. Well, in any case it wasn't Samsung, but I guess we're long past the days where we could expect reporters to fact check what they write. Which is especially annoying since it's never been easier to fact check.
    Yeah, were probably at the stage where such discussions belong in the ancient computer technology thread or whatever it is called.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagators63 View Post
    Sharp is reportedly launching two new devices in July that appear to be completely bezel-less.

    http://mobilesyrup.com/2017/06/30/sh...ampaign=buffer



    So if you drop it will the screen break more easily?

    Or will people then stuff them in a case to re-bezel them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Interesting - there have been rumors of problems for a while, with the elimination of the home button / all glass front as proposed. Not wanting the inelegant solution of sticking the sensor on the back, basically taking the Samsung idea, but trying to make it work properly:

    But Gurman’s report says that Apple’s going to simply replace the fingerprint sensor with face and eye scanning technology that’s a lot more advanced and more secure than anyone else’s — cough, Samsung, cough. Samsung was first to implement iris-based phone unlocking, but the technology can supposedly be hacked quite easily.

    Apple’s iris sensor will also incorporate a depth sensor that will prevent hackers from using photos to fool it. Furthermore, the sensor can supposedly scan a user’s iris and face “within a few hundred milliseconds,” and works even if the device is laying flat on a table.
    http://bgr.com/2017/07/04/iphone-8-r...uch-id-sensor/
    So BIGBROTHER databanks now have everyone's digitized fingerprints, now add face and iris and they'll just need you DNA to complete the profiling.

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    No.

    Apple's Secure Enclave is the only place your biometrics are stored, there's no cloud backup. Can't speak to what Samsung or other Android manufacturers do, but Apple has no ability to access, monitor or otherwise get their hands on my biometric data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    No.

    Apple's Secure Enclave is the only place your biometrics are stored, there's no cloud backup. Can't speak to what Samsung or other Android manufacturers do, but Apple has no ability to access, monitor or otherwise get their hands on my biometric data.
    Maybe not Apple. ...and if the data could somehow be accessed or even officially shared, domestic owners (Americans in the case of Apple and the NSA) wouldn't likely be part of the collection.




    No, Apple hasn't said it will share an iPhone 5s 'fingerprint database' with the NSA | Technology | The Guardian

    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...gerprint-apple
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    No.

    Apple's Secure Enclave is the only place your biometrics are stored, there's no cloud backup. Can't speak to what Samsung or other Android manufacturers do, but Apple has no ability to access, monitor or otherwise get their hands on my biometric data.
    Hopefully their "Secure Enclave" will not get hacked like a number of other supposedly "secure" corporate sites have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Hopefully their "Secure Enclave" will not get hacked like a number of other supposedly "secure" corporate sites have been.
    The Secure Enclave is an isolated area in their chipsets, not a corporate site/server/room. You'd need physical access to the phone, plus a whole host of equipment, skills & so forth to even attempt to get into it.

    Secure Enclave

    The chip in your device includes an advanced security architecture called the Secure Enclave, which was developed to protect your passcode and fingerprint data. Touch ID doesn't store any images of your fingerprint, and instead relies only on a mathematical representation. It isn't possible for someone to reverse engineer your actual fingerprint image from this stored data.
    Your fingerprint data is encrypted, stored on disk, and protected with a key available only to the Secure Enclave. Your fingerprint data is used only by the Secure Enclave to verify that your fingerprint matches the enrolled fingerprint data. It can’t be accessed by the OS on your device or by any applications running on it. It's never stored on Apple servers, it's never backed up to iCloud or anywhere else, and it can't be used to match against other fingerprint databases.
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    Google Pixel XL 2 could become the first phone to have Snapdragon 836 because Samsung G8 and others have Snapdragon 835.

    https://www.androidheadlines.com/201...e-pixel-2.html
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    It surprising people even debate it, the only thing Android phones have going for them over Apple, especially once the 8 is released, is price.

    When one of his followers negated his claim saying that Samsung’s Galaxy S8 does a better job than the iPhone 7, he replied to the person stating the reason behind his claim. Vic stated that Android is an open source OS wants to generalise performance on all kinds of Android devices. Unlike Apple, who can work on the hardware for new features and improve it over the time through software updates, Google has to keep millions of different phone models in mind and therefore has to work extensively on the software front for utilising a new hardware feature. Therefore, if Samsung has improved the camera on their latest phone, they have to convince Google to roll out an API to let other applications take the benefits of the upgrade. This process could take years.

    This is the reason innovative Android OEMs have to work on their own version of apps to take the benefits of the hardware. As for Apple, they have both the hardware and software to themselves, which is why their phones are simplified and work better. Vic does say that Google as once way ahead with advanced image processing features. But, in the current times, he believes that one should go for Apple’s iPhone to stay ahead of others in the world of technology.
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    I beg to differ, phones like the Pixel and S8 are on par (or better) than the iPhone.

    I suggest reading this:

    The iPhone has no monopoly on computational photography, and Android cameras are not inherently weaker. The latest arguments to the contrary, from the man who once led Google's mobile efforts, are weird and wrong.

    Former Google SVP and current AliveCor CEO Vic Gundotra has thoughts on smartphone cameras. The man who was once in charge of Android, and everything else mobile at Google, gifted tech reporters with many a choice quote this weekend.

    The iPhone is the only option for taking great photos on a phone. Android is for people who don't mind being a few years behind. Apple's lead in computational photography is what sets it apart. Android by its nature impedes innovation in mobile photography.

    Cue headlines.

    Gundotra isn't wrong in saying that the iPhone 7 Plus takes great photos. The original photos he posted to Facebook, of two smiling kids in a dark restaurant, captured through the iPhone's portrait mode, are impressive.

    Gundotra also talks about computational photography, a major trend in phone cameras right now, and says that — get ready for the juiciest quote of the bunch — he would "NEVER buy an Android phone again" if he cares about photography. Based on his posting history, Vic seems to care quite a lot about photography. So it follows that he's not planning to buy another Android phone ever again. Considering who he is and the positions at Google he once held, that's pretty newsworthy, however flimsy the arguments supporting it might be.

    But first, some backstory.


    Vic Gundotra vs. Vic Gundotra

    People change jobs all the time. The fast pace of change in the tech world means that allegiances can also change rapidly. Nevertheless, the total 180-degree turn that Vic Gundotra has executed on Android photography is worth some examination.

    The total 180-degree turn that Vic Gundotra has executed on Android photography is worth noting.
    Gundotra worked closely with Steve Jobs on Google apps for the original iPhone before publicly torpedoing Apple (and its CEO) at Google I/O 2010. Here's Vic on open versus closed at the time, in his role as SVP overseeing mobile.


    "If Google did not act [with Android], we faced a draconian future — a future where one man, one company, one device, one carrier would be our only choice. That's a future we don't want."
    From 2011 to 2013, Gundotra led Google's social efforts. Here he is again in 2013 talking up the prospects for future Nexus cameras on Google+.

    "We are committed to making Nexus phones insanely great cameras. Just you wait and see."
    Four years later, he's firmly back in the iPhone camp.

    "I would NEVER buy an Android phone again if I cared about photography."

    "If you truly care about great photography, you own an iPhone. If you don't mind being a few years behind, buy an Android."
    Life, it seems, comes at you fast.
    https://www.androidcentral.com/vic-g...&utm_source=ac
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    Good post Hilman.
    He who posteth too much, should moveth out of his parents basement and get a life.

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    I would never use an Android phone for photos! Here is the problem: It's Android. Android is an open source (mostly) operating system that has to be neutral to all parties. This sounds good until you get into the details. Ever wonder why a Samsung phone has a confused and bewildering array of photo options? Should I use the Samsung Camera? Or the Android Camera? Samsung gallery or Google Photos? It's because when Samsung innovates with the underlying hardware (like a better camera) they have to convince Google to allow that innovation to be surfaced to other applications via the appropriate API. That can take YEARS. Also the greatest innovation isn't even happening at the hardware level -- it's happening at the computational photography level. (Google was crushing this 5 years ago -- they had had 'auto awesome' that used AI techniques to automatically remove wrinkles, whiten teeth, add vignetting, etc... but recently Google has fallen back). Apple doesn't have all these constraints. They innovate in the underlying hardware, and just simply update the software with their latest innovations (like portrait mode) and ship it.
    Taken from Vic's Facebook post, to provide some context. It's more about Apple's ability to implement changes rapidly thanks to their control over the whole stack, hardware & software, than anything else. I'm intrigued to see what Apple's got up their sleeve for the new model (and what can be implemented on the older, already-released phones too).
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    I think we can all agree that the top flagships all take very good pictures. Google "Pixel versus iPhone camera" and more often than not, the Pixel is crowned the winner. Arguing that the Pixel et al have poor camera's shows that you are either ignorant or a fanboy of Apple (which Vic seems to be both of).

    https://www.theverge.com/tech/2017/4...le-pixel-lg-g6

    https://www.cnet.com/news/google-pix...era-is-better/

    https://www.digitaltrends.com/photog...7-plus-camera/

    https://petapixel.com/2017/02/14/goo...hone-shootout/

    https://www.phonearena.com/news/Best...LG-V20_id90170
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    Samsung Note 8 availability and prices in Canada

    Telus: $550 down on a two-year plan starting at $95 per month, or $750 down on a two-year plan starting at $85 per month. Check out further details here.
    Bell: $549.99 on two-year Premium Plus plans, $749.99 on two-year Premium plans, $949.99 on Smartphone plans and $1199.99 on Basic plans. $1349.99 outright. Check out further details here.
    BellMTS: $549.99 down on select two-year plans, outright price of $1,349.99. Check out further details here.
    Rogers: $549.00 down on a two-year Premium+ Tab plan, $749 on two Premium Tab plans, $899 on Smart Tab plans and $1,299.00 on Talk & Text plans or outright. Check out further details here.
    Eastlink: $0 down on a two-year easyTab plan (monthly payments of $48 for 24 months), or $1,272 outright. Check out further details here.
    SaskTel: $549.99 down on a two-year +$10/mo. with Plus Pricing. $749.99 on regular two-year plan sans Plus Pricing. $1,299.99 outright. Check out further details here.
    Videotron: $449.95 down with a monthly payment plan of $89.95 for 24 months. Check out further details here.
    Freedom Mobile: $460 down on a $35 per month MyTab Boost, $1,300 outright. Customers can pre-order the Note 8 for a $100 deposit (outright price is $1,300). Customers who place a pre-order will be able to pick up their new Note8 between September 15th and October 1st. Check out further details here.


    Read more at MobileSyrup.com: Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Canadian pricing and availability
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    Google will officially show the world its second generation Pixel devices on October 5th,

    Read more at MobileSyrup.com: Google will reportedly announce the Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL on October 5
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    http://nypost.com/2017/08/28/nypd-ne...s-smartphones/
    The NYPD has to scrap the 36,000 smartphones it gave cops over the past two years because they’re already obsolete and can’t be upgraded, The Post has learned.
    The city bought Microsoft-based Nokia smartphones as part of a $160 million NYPD Mobility Initiative that Mayor Bill de Blasio touted as “a huge step into the 21st century.”
    But just months after the last phone was handed out, officials plan to begin replacing them all with brand-new iPhones by the end of the year, sources said.
    *sad trombone*
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    List of Countries for people to buy iPhone 7 in US dollars.
    Turkey have the most expensive and USA is the cheapest and Canada is
    placed at 5 th for the cheapest.


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    Base on 2 yrs contract for Canadian wireless carriers

    Apple iPhone 8 64GB: $229.99
    Apple iPhone 8 256GB: $429.99


    Apple iPhone 8 Plus 64GB: $359.99
    Apple iPhone 8 Plus 256GB: $559.99


    No term with unlocked iphones


    64GB iPhone 8 = $929,
    256GB iPhone 8 = $1,139.


    64GB iPhone 8 Plus $1059,
    256GB IPhone 8 Plus $1,269.

    I
    phone X no term is


    64GB = $1,319
    256GB = $1,529

    but for 2 yrs contract for iphone X is not known yet.

    https://mobilesyrup.com/2017/09/13/i...ampaign=buffer

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    http://nypost.com/2017/08/28/nypd-ne...s-smartphones/
    The NYPD has to scrap the 36,000 smartphones it gave cops over the past two years because they’re already obsolete and can’t be upgraded, The Post has learned.
    The city bought Microsoft-based Nokia smartphones as part of a $160 million NYPD Mobility Initiative that Mayor Bill de Blasio touted as “a huge step into the 21st century.”
    But just months after the last phone was handed out, officials plan to begin replacing them all with brand-new iPhones by the end of the year, sources said.
    *sad trombone*
    Typical sensationalist (and misleading) reporting. First, Microsoft discontinuing support to an older OS does not turn the Windows phones into useless bricks as the article implies. If the concern is that the phones will no longer be receiving regular security updates, the Nokia phones should be able to be upgraded to the newer Windows 10 Mobile OS so long as the phones remain in use: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wind...mobile-upgrade

    Since many large organizations replace their phones on average about every two years I fail to see what the big scandal is here. Many of the two year old Nokia Lumia phones were likely due to be replaced anyways. And most organizations are choosing to go with either Android OS or Iphone OS when ordering new phones.

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    There's no scandal, it's just hilarious to me that anyone, at any time in the last decade would believe anything Microsoft has to say about mobile devices or mobile computing. They've failed at every opportunity. Hence the sad trombone.
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    Default Ad industry “deeply concerned” about Safari’s new ad-tracking restrictions

    There are some advantages to choosing a phone operating system that wasn't designed by a company that makes its money from advertising (i.e. IOS not Android) - seems the advertisers are freaking out about the next version of IOS:

    Apple's latest operating systems for the Mac and iPhone will soon be rolling out, and with that comes new restrictions on ad-tracking in the Safari browser.

    Adding a 24-hour limit on ad targeting cookies is good for privacy under Apple's new "Intelligent Tracking Prevention" feature. But if you're an advertiser, the macOS High Sierra and iOS 11 Safari browsers spell gloom and doom for the Internet as we know it. The reason is because Safari is making it harder for advertisers to follow users as they surf the Internet—and that will dramatically reduce the normal bombardment of ads reflecting the sites Internet surfers have visited earlier.

    Six major advertising groups have just published an open letter blasting the new tracking restrictions Apple unveiled in June. They say they are "deeply concerned" about them:...
    https://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-polic...-restrictions/

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    I don't see how this is good for the consumer. I'd rather see ads that i care about than skin care and corn flakes.

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    Google is offering Pixel XL as replacement for all eligible Nexus 6P owners




    http://www.androidauthority.com/google-offering-pixel-xl-eligible-nexus-6p-owners-800351/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    I don't see how this is good for the consumer. I'd rather see ads that i care about than skin care and corn flakes.
    I'd rather not see ads at all, which is why I run an ad-blocker on top of the tightest privacy settings Apple can offer me.
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