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    7/11 is a net loss.

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    Net loss to whom?
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    I thought this might turn into an urban Best Buy similar to 17th ave in Calgary or something of the sort. Seems like a good chance for a large block of space like Chapters down the street.

    The market gets what the market wants I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    It just seems really odd to go head-to-head with an established restaurant
    Ever heard of Hotelling's Law?

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    Nope, but I'll listen to whatever you have to say about it.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Nope, but I'll listen to whatever you have to say about it.
    It goes on to state how similar business's may jockey for best position along a single road, but ultimately will end up right close to each other for equal business. There is a short little video describing it with two cart vendors on a beach. Applies to not only business locations, but products served etc.

    Example from Wiki
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    "Suppose that there are two competing shops located along the length of a street running north and south, with customers spread equally along the street. Each shop owner wants to locate his shop such that he maximises his own market share by drawing the largest number of customers. In this example, the shop itself is the 'product' considered and both products are equal in quality and price. There is no difference in product to the customers. Therefore, each customer will always choose the nearest shop because there is no difference in product or price."

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    Would neatly explain Hotel row along Stony Plain out west.

    Also I see no issue with 7/11 although it would be nice to have a bit more variety - I'd like to see a standalone circle K there instead as a convenience store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Would neatly explain Hotel row along Stony Plain out west.

    Also I see no issue with 7/11 although it would be nice to have a bit more variety - I'd like to see a standalone circle K there instead as a convenience store.
    Ha yeah thats quite the development of all brand new hotels.

    We have a Circle K by my house, prefer that 10x over a 7-11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    Net loss to whom?
    I want to hear you argue the 7/11 on Jasper next to the Union Bank Inn is a net benefit to the area? How about 104 st?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    Net loss to whom?
    I want to hear you argue the 7/11 on Jasper next to the Union Bank Inn is a net benefit to the area? How about 104 st?
    Are we writing into by-laws their use to exclude convenience stores?
    They are used. They provide rent. They are reliable tenants. 1 or 2 "down and out" folks hanging around on the street is hardly the sole fault of a 7-11. While it might be "unfortunate" for the CRU to go to such a use, what a convenience store provides to a Main Street and busy walkable area like Old Strathcona, or Jasper Ave Downtown is that it provides and is allowed to be there, if so successfully. The 3 Macs stores along Whyte from 106 street to 99 street are not the armpits of society.
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    Sounds good for the leasee, sounds good for corporate ownership. Still waiting to hear how it benefits citizens of the area. "1 or 2 down and out folks..." and Jasper ave. downtown as a "...busy, walkable area.." tells me you don't spend much time there. Oh and since the Esso on 99th and Whyte became a 7/11 it's definitely taken on a greater armpit funk (to be fair it was always bad).

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    ^Depends on the time of the day, and I don't drive. Agree on the intersection on 99st always having a "funk". But I argue you can't restrict it, and that you cannot Luxury-ify whole areas to keep the rabble away. Community benefit: convenience store. Lateral benefit. Doesn't have to be a fancy chocolatier. I'm neither defending nor chastising 7-11's. It's a permitted use.
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    At least there's no ******* banks here.
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    I'm fine with 7-11, less fine with Blaze. Ma and pa convenience stores hardly ever offer a stellar experience. Blaze is power centre REIT suburb food, and chains are slowly taking over Whyte.
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    Are we ignoring the fact that they gave their biggest, prime corner to a local, success story restaurant/cafe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    Blaze is power centre REIT suburb food, and chains are slowly taking over Whyte.
    This would explain why they're in the Brewery District? Probably not.
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    ^Most of the Brewery District tenants would not be out of place in a "power centre REIT suburb", though: Shoppers, Petland, Starbucks, Goodlife, Supplement King, Cobs, Winners, South Street... aside from Tokiwa Ramen and the forthcoming Frontier Handhelds (and, I guess, MEC), there's not a lot of unique retail there.
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    Blaze is always busy on 4th street in Calgary in Mission. Thatís a street that Whyte Ave could look up to.

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    Personally found Blaze Pizza takeout from Brewery District to be pretty bland. Iím not saying Famoso is amazing but itís a step above all around from Blaze.

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    I think it would be nice if some successful businesses from other cities could come in and establish locations in places like the Raymond Block. I really do like when you see variety of brands.
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    ^

    Kinda related, I know that ReGrub place is doing really well in CGY where they started...Don't know how their EDM location is doing just off Whyte beside O2's, but I feel like being in the Raymond Block would have been a better stop to launch here. That being said, for all I know they are doing very well for where they are, I haven't even walked through the door yet.

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    ^I've thought about going many times, before realizing that I don't really need a milkshake with two donuts served on top of it.
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    Looks like they've topped off Raymond Block as of this morning. This is supposed to be completed by late summer IIRC and they seem to be on track for that.

    Keeping my fingers crossed for very high quality cladding and podium materials/implementation. That will make or break the project IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ajs View Post
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    Net loss to whom?
    I want to hear you argue the 7/11 on Jasper next to the Union Bank Inn is a net benefit to the area? How about 104 st?
    Are we writing into by-laws their use to exclude convenience stores?
    They are used. They provide rent. They are reliable tenants. 1 or 2 "down and out" folks hanging around on the street is hardly the sole fault of a 7-11. While it might be "unfortunate" for the CRU to go to such a use, what a convenience store provides to a Main Street and busy walkable area like Old Strathcona, or Jasper Ave Downtown is that it provides and is allowed to be there, if so successfully. The 3 Macs stores along Whyte from 106 street to 99 street are not the armpits of society.
    Well, the 99th street and the middle one definitely both are. The 99th Street area as a whole is a complete cesspool, and there's usually at least 2-3 REALLY sketchy, rough-looking hobos parked right in front of that Mac's. The one across from the organic market isn't usually SO bad (not nearly as bad as it used to be), but the next one down usually has 1-2 creepers hanging about. Heard one guy complaining to a cop that "it's a free country!" and he could park his butt wherever; the cop pointed out that right in front of Mac's is private property, so he can't just lurk their and bug their potential customers .

    Raymond Block is rather centralized and has a lot of stuff around it, so we'll see what happens there- it's a little too "in the way" for sketchbags to hang around and bother people consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabroniville View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajs View Post
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    Net loss to whom?
    I want to hear you argue the 7/11 on Jasper next to the Union Bank Inn is a net benefit to the area? How about 104 st?
    Are we writing into by-laws their use to exclude convenience stores?
    They are used. They provide rent. They are reliable tenants. 1 or 2 "down and out" folks hanging around on the street is hardly the sole fault of a 7-11. While it might be "unfortunate" for the CRU to go to such a use, what a convenience store provides to a Main Street and busy walkable area like Old Strathcona, or Jasper Ave Downtown is that it provides and is allowed to be there, if so successfully. The 3 Macs stores along Whyte from 106 street to 99 street are not the armpits of society.
    Well, the 99th street and the middle one definitely both are. The 99th Street area as a whole is a complete cesspool, and there's usually at least 2-3 REALLY sketchy, rough-looking hobos parked right in front of that Mac's. The one across from the organic market isn't usually SO bad (not nearly as bad as it used to be), but the next one down usually has 1-2 creepers hanging about. Heard one guy complaining to a cop that "it's a free country!" and he could park his butt wherever; the cop pointed out that right in front of Mac's is private property, so he can't just lurk their and bug their potential customers .

    Raymond Block is rather centralized and has a lot of stuff around it, so we'll see what happens there- it's a little too "in the way" for sketchbags to hang around and bother people consistently.
    The cops go away, they will just come back later. I've noticed convenience stores seem to have become hobo magnets. I don't know if busyness or location will affect that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    Net loss to whom?
    I want to hear you argue the 7/11 on Jasper next to the Union Bank Inn is a net benefit to the area? How about 104 st?
    I really try to avoid the 104 st one, its a bit of a panhandler crowd there. I don't know if there is much that 7/11 can do, but it can't be good for business.

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    Add in Mezzo, Southpark and the redevelopment of those lots east of the Keg and we have a significantly more vibrant and active Whyte Avenue.
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    Mezzo is back on? Haven't heard much about it since the news release about them being denied.

    This area is truly going to change once all those projects are completed.

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    ^I'm pretty sure they were working on it the other day when I passed by.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    ^I'm pretty sure they were working on it the other day when I passed by.

    Its being used as a lay down lot for Raymond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
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    Net loss to whom?
    I want to hear you argue the 7/11 on Jasper next to the Union Bank Inn is a net benefit to the area? How about 104 st?
    I really try to avoid the 104 st one, its a bit of a panhandler crowd there. I don't know if there is much that 7/11 can do, but it can't be good for business.
    Fining people who give money to them. They stay because people will hand them cash out of misguided compassion, not realizing they're just feeding addictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalancedOP View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    ^I'm pretty sure they were working on it the other day when I passed by.

    Its being used as a lay down lot for Raymond.
    Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks!
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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