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    https://ticketstonight.ticketforce.c...s.asp?evt=3519

    I'm really interested in going to this!

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    Sounds to me like a good reason to create another stat holiday in September. You never know, so let's be prepared, and relaxed.

    Biblical Literalists Say End Is Coming In 'The Sign' : 13.7: Cosmos And Culture : NPR

    http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/201...ng-no-it-isn-t

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    I'll put off doing my laundry, just in case.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    What will they say on Sept. 23 when the world remains where it is?
    I don't know exactly what they'll say, but this kind of thing has been well studied: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsd...ogical_studies

    Social scientists have found that while some group members will leave after the date for a doomsday prediction by the leader has passed uneventfully, others actually feel their belief and commitment to the group strengthened. Often when a group's doomsday prophecies or predictions fail to come true, the group leader will simply set a new date for impending doom, or predict a different type of catastrophe on a different date.[15] Niederhoffer and Kenner say: "When you have gone far out on a limb and so many people have followed you, and there is much "sunk cost," as economists would say, it is difficult to admit you have been wrong."[16]

    In Experiments With People: Revelations from Social Psychology, Abelson, Frey and Gregg explain this further: "..continuing to proselytize on behalf of a doomsday cult whose prophecies have been disconfirmed, although it makes little logical sense, makes plenty of psychological sense if people have already spent months proselytizing on the cult's behalf. Persevering allows them to avoid the embarrassment of how wrong they were in the first place."[17] The common-held belief in a catastrophic event occurring on a future date can have the effect of ingraining followers with a sense of uniqueness and purpose.[18] In addition, after a failed prophecy members may attempt to explain the outcome through rationalization and dissonance reduction.[10][19][20]

    Explanations may include stating that the group members had misinterpreted the leader's original plan, that the cataclysmic event itself had been postponed to a later date by the leader, or that the activities of the group itself had forestalled disaster.[10] In the case of the Festinger study, when the prophecy of a cataclysmic flood was proved false, the members pronounced that their faith in God had prevented the event. They then proceeded to attempt to convert new members with renewed strength.
    They'll get right back to figuring out when the next End of Days will come.

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    Seventh Day Adventists built a religious sect from a failed doomsday prophesy.
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    ^^ Just like the cult of political ideology we see on the far right and left today. People will double down on their stupidity rather than admit they were wrong and move on. There's a tremendous lack of humility out there these days.
    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal

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    Simply believe their religion because their parents believed their religion, and their parents before them...?

    Why do we believe in gods? Religious belief 'not linked to intuition or rational thinking': The study challenges a growing trend that has attempted to show that believing in the supernatural is something that comes to us 'naturally' or intuitively -- ScienceDaily

    Leading author Miguel Farias said:

    “... "What drives our belief in gods -- intuition or reason; heart or head? There has been a long debate on this matter but our studies have challenged the theory that being a religious believer is determined by how much individuals rely on intuitive or analytical thinking.

    "We don't think people are 'born believers' in the same way we inevitably learn a language at an early age. The available sociological and historical data show that what we believe in is mainly based on social and educational factors, and not on cognitive styles, such as intuitive/analytical thinking.

    "Religious belief is most likely rooted in culture rather than in some primitive gut intuition." ...”


    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1108092429.htm


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    Indonesia's Orang Rimba: Forced to renounce their faith - BBC News

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41981430
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    “ "For now we are focusing on the children. It's easier to convert them - their mind isn't filled with other things. With the older ones it's harder," he says.

    "Before Islam they just believed in spirits, gods and goddesses, not the supreme god Allah. “...

    “ "So that our children can have the same opportunities as the outsiders, the people of the light, we had no other choice. We had to all convert to Islam." “ ...


    “The surrounding majority Muslim population calls the Orang Rimba "Kubu".

    "It means...”
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    He has or had followers:

    Sale of controversial 'miracle' tonic results in dozens of charges - British Columbia - CBC News
    Excerpt:
    “Humble is quite literally an evangelist for sodium chlorite, a sacrament in the church he founded to spread his belief that a liquid generated from combining the bleach with water "has proven to restore partial or full health to hundreds of thousands of people" afflicted with everything from cancer to Alzheimer's.

    Humble also claims to be a billion-year-old god from the Andromeda Galaxy sent to Earth to save humans.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...each-1.4481198

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    Interesting. Accurate and factual? I donít know.


    [Said during a debate when his opponent asserted that atheism and belief in evolution lead to Nazism:]

    Atheism by itself is, of course, not a moral position or a political one of any kind; it simply is the refusal to believe in a supernatural dimension. For you to say of Nazism that it was the implementation of the work of Charles Darwin is a filthy slander, undeserving of you and an insult to this audience. Darwinís thought was not taught in Germany; Darwinism was so derided in Germany along with every other form of unbelief that all the great modern atheists, Darwin, Einstein and Freud were alike despised by the National Socialist regime.

    Now, just to take the most notorious of the 20th century totalitarianisms Ė the most finished example, the most perfected one, the most ruthless and refined one: that of National Socialism, the one that fortunately allowed the escape of all these great atheists, thinkers and many others, to the United States, a country of separation of church and state, that gave them welcome Ė if itís an atheistic regime, then how come that in the first chapter of Mein Kampf, that Hitler says that heís doing Godís work and executing Godís will in destroying the Jewish people? How come the fuhrer oath that every officer of the Party and the Army had to take, making Hitler into a minor god, begins, ďI swear in the name of almighty God, my loyalty to the Fuhrer?Ē How come that on the belt buckle of every Nazi soldier it says Gott mit uns, God on our side? How come that the first treaty made by the Nationalist Socialist dictatorship, the very first is with the Vatican? Itís exchanging political control of Germany for Catholic control of German education. How come that the church has celebrated the birthday of the Fuhrer every year, on that day until democracy put an end to this filthy, quasi-religious, superstitious, barbarous, reactionary system?

    Again, this is not a difference of emphasis between us. To suggest that thereís something fascistic about me and about my beliefs is something I won't hear said and you shouldn't believe.
    - Christopher Hitchens

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag...urch-and-state

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    It's not interesting. It's boring. That argument has been won a million times over. Atheism has nothing to do with the murderous totalitarian regimes of the 20th century. Their heinous acts were committed in the name of ideologies that were elevated to the level of religion. Not atheism.

    But as usual, it's slapped down with eloquence and derision by Hitchens.

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