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    Getting a tad closer to 1995 levels in terms of transborder and international non-stops.
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    A lot of Encore and Swoop in there but can’t really be too upset with those offerings as a non WJ hub.

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    And Calgary getting Atlanta and Austin through Westjet and we get St Johns. Sigh
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    Good to see. My list:

    Halifax 10 (mainline)
    London-Gatwick 2 (mainline)
    Los Angeles 7 (mainline)
    St. John's 3 (mainline)
    Yellowknife 7 (Encore)
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    LGW needs to be year-round. And still no Moncton. Still, I suppose they can't be everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booster View Post
    And Calgary getting Atlanta and Austin through Westjet and we get St Johns. Sigh
    There is nothing in Atlanta but a great transfer hub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
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    And Calgary getting Atlanta and Austin through Westjet and we get St Johns. Sigh
    There is nothing in Atlanta but a great transfer hub.
    Precisely, but why would anyone from our neck of the woods want to even transfer down there? What advantage is there to fly to Europe for example? Right, there is none....

    There's only so many times one needs to go to their "World of Coke" or "Six Flags Amusement" park or go to "Stone Mountain." Hmmm, on second thought - wouldn't mind seeing those places again....lol....

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    That is just it... We already have connecting options for Europe. South East Region is covered by Miami and Orlando, so Calgary can have Atlanta and all the trouble connecting there. Way too busy and crowded of an airport.

    As per your request for Moncton, maybe Flair could do Quebec City/Moncton daily in the future?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    That is just it... We already have connecting options for Europe. South East Region is covered by Miami and Orlando, so Calgary can have Atlanta and all the trouble connecting there. Way too busy and crowded of an airport.

    As per your request for Moncton, maybe Flair could do Quebec City/Moncton daily in the future?
    That'd work because there's no way we'd get a YEG-YQM direct. Right now it's at least a two-leg trip anyway, and usually in the 9 to 12 hour total trip time bracket. It's a days work getting there.
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    Which was why I thought Quebec added would make sense as 800k population can sustain a daily flIght and Moncton would be an easy fit into that equation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    That is just it... We already have connecting options for Europe. South East Region is covered by Miami and Orlando, so Calgary can have Atlanta and all the trouble connecting there. Way too busy and crowded of an airport.

    As per your request for Moncton, maybe Flair could do Quebec City/Moncton daily in the future?

    Funny this should be mentioned. Was actually talking to a guy at YQB about that very city paring.

    It is a 7.5 hour drive between the two cities. Makes for a good summer vacation destination.

    The Routes Conference is happening in Quebec City and YQB is very interested in adding more routes.

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    Miami and Houston are good hubs for transferring to South America.
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    Yes they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Miami and Houston are good hubs for transferring to South America.
    Houston is great. Won’t be a ton of people organizing a connection on 2 tickets from Flair to American for example in Miami.

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    Meeting with Flair tomorrow, will report back.
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    Whatever you do don't think that a set of bike lanes to and from the International Airport will somehow sway them.

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    Planeshare.
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    Uber for planes
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    Moncton.
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    If i were chatting with them I would say work on solidifying popular core routes, work on perception and building customer loyalty in the short term. In the long term then they can branch out. Better that then risking the future of the company. But maybe there is something and i don't know that the "popular" routes are too competitive and can't be as successful as new to market or infrequently served routes.

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    New livery coming for Flair in March.
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    Cool, suppose it’s not much of an issue rolling out a new livery if you are introducing a whole new fleet.

    Any other interesting notes you might be able to share from your meeting today?

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    They are being very aggressive in getting out in front of the business community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    They are being very aggressive in getting out in front of the business community.
    That could be good. I think there is an impression that the business community is willing to pay more to travel, but that is not always the case. There is the corporate traveler and the small business traveler and they are quite different. Edmonton has a lot of the latter and not as many of the former.

    I flew Flair for the first time in December and had a good experience and impression. The flight staff were pleasant and everything went relatively smoothly. It sort of reminds me of what Westjet used to be, except not friendly in a "howdy" sort of way, but more just a low key pleasant way. Last time I flew Westjet a few months ago the staff seemed a bit surly for some reason, which was the first time that happened with Westjet and I was a bit disappointed. Flair is no frills, so don't expect extras or be willing to pay for them, but it still can be pleasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    New livery coming for Flair in March.
    It’s already out saw an orange and blue zig zag scheme at yeg on Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citysource View Post
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    New livery coming for Flair in March.
    It’s already out saw an orange and blue zig zag scheme at yeg on Sunday.
    Pretty sure those are the colours of the leased 738s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
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    They are being very aggressive in getting out in front of the business community.
    That could be good. I think there is an impression that the business community is willing to pay more to travel, but that is not always the case. There is the corporate traveler and the small business traveler and they are quite different. Edmonton has a lot of the latter and not as many of the former.

    I flew Flair for the first time in December and had a good experience and impression. The flight staff were pleasant and everything went relatively smoothly. It sort of reminds me of what Westjet used to be, except not friendly in a "howdy" sort of way, but more just a low key pleasant way. Last time I flew Westjet a few months ago the staff seemed a bit surly for some reason, which was the first time that happened with Westjet and I was a bit disappointed. Flair is no frills, so don't expect extras or be willing to pay for them, but it still can be pleasant.
    I think the business community is willing to pay. But the current schedule and the brand positioning are geared towards the occasional travelers.

    As a business owner who flies frequently, I always try to fly flair. But it's really difficult to do day trips to Vancouver for example.

    Also their once per day 7 am departure from Toronto forces you to spend the night rather than sleeping in your own bed.

    I think they would need to beef up the domestic runs to have a broad appeal.

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    “When it comes to selling professional services, you really have to be thinking globally and for small businesses that’s a real challenge. It’s not cheap, it’s not easy,” he said. “That’s where the city can come in … to try and assist these small businesses to expand.”
    An immediate step in the right direction would be increasing the amount of international flights flying in and out of the Edmonton International Airport, said Rose. This would make it more accessible for entrepreneurs to travel globally and also allow outside business owners to visit Edmonton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citysource View Post
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    New livery coming for Flair in March.
    It’s already out saw an orange and blue zig zag scheme at yeg on Sunday.
    As mentioned below your post, that is another livery from a leased plane.
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    It looks like Alaska has increased to 3/day to SEA starting August 27th.

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    LOL, Delta and Alaska fighting the good fight, even though theoretically they're codeshare partners. Ah well, good for us.

    On another note - not sure if this will be frequent - but Icelandair 680 arrives YEG from, guess now, ... SEA at 4:50, departing a bit over an hour later for KEF.

    Is this going to be the new winter norm?
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    ^^
    I guess Alaska won? I'll support them for Seatle no problem.

    ^
    Is that a problem though? Seatle just lost non-stop, but we remain and retain the same out of it if that is the new regular scheduling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    LOL, Delta and Alaska fighting the good fight, even though theoretically they're codeshare partners. Ah well, good for us.

    On another note - not sure if this will be frequent - but Icelandair 680 arrives YEG from, guess now, ... SEA at 4:50, departing a bit over an hour later for KEF.

    Is this going to be the new winter norm?
    Delta and Alaska are not codeshare partners, they're bitter rivals. Delta is ending the SEA route in March, which is why Alaska is now increasing.

    Icelandair does not operate to YEG in the winter, today's flight was a medical diversion.

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    Air Canada will not be operating to Victoria this summer. WestJet will still operate 3 per day, Flair 5 per week.

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    Apparently we are getting ORD back in the late spring.

    Tuffy on SSP has stated they have heard this. They are very connected in regards to airport/route news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmontonsKindaGuy View Post
    Apparently we are getting ORD back in the late spring.

    Tuffy on SSP has stated they have heard this. They are very connected in regards to airport/route news.
    I wonder if his prediction this time will work out better than the time he predicted Cathay Pacific was coming...

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    Tuffy has been pretty good on those predictions in the past though. As per Chicago, it is not unrealistic in leisure, connection, and business.
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    American? Or United?
    ... gobsmacked

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EdmontonsKindaGuy View Post
    Apparently we are getting ORD back in the late spring.

    Tuffy on SSP has stated they have heard this. They are very connected in regards to airport/route news.
    I wonder if his prediction this time will work out better than the time he predicted Cathay Pacific was coming...
    One fail about a route that was in the works and flopped. He called KLM before even EIA had it confirmed and Icelandair. He is pretty reliable.

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    ORD is short for orchard. Ohare airport was previously known as Orchard Field

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    KLM/Air France code sharing partnership with Virgin Atlantic announced:

    https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/a...e-partnership/
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    This affects us how.
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    More options for people to book to Edmonton.
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    UK Via North America
    ABZ Aberdeen
    BHX Birmingham
    EDI Edinburgh
    LHR London Heathrow
    MAN Manchester
    NCL Newcastle
    Charles de Gaulle, Paris, France ATL Atlanta, GA
    CUN Cancun, Mexico
    BOS Boston, MA
    MEX Mexico City, Mexico
    DFW Dallas, TX
    YUL Montréal, Canada
    DTW Detroit, MI
    YVR Vancouver, Canada
    IAD Washington D.C.
    YYZ Toronto, Canada
    IAH Houston, TX
    JFK New York, NY
    LAX Los Angeles, CA
    MIA Miami, FL
    MSP Minneapolis, MN
    ORD Chicago, IL
    SEA Seattle, WA
    SFO San Francisco, CA


    Not according to this list of codeshare destinations.
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    But yes, according to this:

    Virgin Atlantic codeshare on KLM operated Flights:
    UK Via North America
    ABZ Aberdeen
    BHD Belfast
    BHX Birmingham
    BRS Bristol
    CWL Cardiff
    EDI Edinburgh
    HUY Humberside
    GLA Glasgow
    INV Inverness
    LBA Leeds
    LCY London City
    LHR London Heathrow
    MAN Manchester
    MME Durham
    NCL Newcastle
    NWI Norwich
    Amsterdam Schiphol, Netherlands ATL Atlanta, GA
    BOS Boston, MA
    IAD Washington D.C.
    IAH Houston, TX
    JFK New York, NY
    LAS Las Vegas, NV
    LAX Los Angeles, CA
    MIA Miami, FL
    MSP Minneapolis, MN
    ORD Chicago, IL
    SFO San Francisco, CA
    SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    MEX Mexico City, Mexico
    YEG Edmonton, Canada
    YUL Montréal, Canada
    YVR Vancouver, Canada
    YYC Calgary, Canada
    YYZ Toronto, Canada
    ... gobsmacked

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    ^Yes, for Virgin Atlantic travellers this is new.
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    Is there a code share with JAL, Qantas or Cathay Pacific?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Is there a code share with JAL, Qantas or Cathay Pacific?
    They all codeshare with WestJet to Vancouver.

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    Swoop has their Oakland flights up at 549 one way. That’s more than Air Canada’s round trip! This doesn’t sound right...are they trying to force people to not book and cancel their route? Is Edmonton really that bad to support a route???

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    Air battle...
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    Pretty good article on Canada Jetlines, the CEO and his route strategy.

    https://troymedia.com/2019/02/25/jetlines-swoops-swoop/

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Pretty good article on Canada Jetlines, the CEO and his route strategy.

    https://troymedia.com/2019/02/25/jetlines-swoops-swoop/
    to follow up on that, Jetlines has signed contracts for Livery/paint, aircraft interior reconfigurations, maintenance software/services, and flight management software.

    They say they're going to be canada's first true ULCC, but it seems that Flair took that crown?

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    Westjet Encore to Vegas? When did this start? Is this all of their flights to LAS?

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    I have never seen a crop duster at McCarran before - this will be a first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    Westjet Encore to Vegas? When did this start? Is this all of their flights to LAS?
    Don't know what you're talking about. In the air right now as a 737-800.

    https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ws1486

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    Well that's what I thought, but when the old lady looked at our itinerary for April 14th - to see if it's a Max 8 or not, it says "Q400 Westjet Encore."

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    I feel like I need to confess here. We booked flights to Europe for this summer on WJ. Really wanted to try their dreamliner, so I ended up booking DUB-YYC-YEG on the way back to get on that plane. We take their 767's to YYZ and BCN (didn't know they had 767's doing YEG-YYZ).

    Avoiding YYC would have meant dublin-halifax-toronto-edmonton, all on 737's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    I feel like I need to confess here. We booked flights to Europe for this summer on WJ. Really wanted to try their dreamliner, so I ended up booking DUB-YYC-YEG on the way back to get on that plane. We take their 767's to YYZ and BCN (didn't know they had 767's doing YEG-YYZ).

    Avoiding YYC would have meant dublin-halifax-toronto-edmonton, all on 737's.
    Groan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    Well that's what I thought, but when the old lady looked at our itinerary for April 14th - to see if it's a Max 8 or not, it says "Q400 Westjet Encore."
    Are you connecting in YYC or YVR? Then you would get an Encore flight on some of the connections. Out of YYC, YEG, and YVR, it is all still 737's.

    Also, there are Q400's etc at KLAS. By far it isn't the majority due to loads, etc. and maybe the ones I've seen are charters or corporate... However, KLAS has the demand that you would want a faster plane in the circuit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    Well that's what I thought, but when the old lady looked at our itinerary for April 14th - to see if it's a Max 8 or not, it says "Q400 Westjet Encore."
    Are you connecting in YYC or YVR? Then you would get an Encore flight on some of the connections. Out of YYC, YEG, and YVR, it is all still 737's.

    Also, there are Q400's etc at KLAS. By far it isn't the majority due to loads, etc. and maybe the ones I've seen are charters or corporate... However, KLAS has the demand that you would want a faster plane in the circuit.
    Yeah, for some reason the itinerary says on the bottom, "Flight number ABCD-WXYZ - Westjet Encore Q400." Not sure why it says that when the flight number does not fall within those parameters. 737-8 it is....thx for the insight!!!

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    YEG-SEA Monday -140pm Dept not a seat left on the plane, front full
    SEA-YEG Wednesday - 250pm Dept just a couple remaining, front full

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    They'll most likely expand repetition then...that is full.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    YEG-SEA Monday -140pm Dept not a seat left on the plane, front full
    SEA-YEG Wednesday - 250pm Dept just a couple remaining, front full

    Love E175s
    Love 'em too, but 3 out the 4 times a year we fly to SEA - the Q400 rears it's ugly head.....you're right - these flights are ALWAYS full year round - not sure why we can't sustain 4 X daily PLUS the 2 X Delta daily(s). Would sure be nice to see mainline and the tail with the Eskimo dude's likeness on it.....

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    Wow air ceases operation... good news for icelandair?
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    ^Tried to sell to Icelandair, ceased talks on March 25. That's why it's folding.
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    Canada Jetlines has set Dec 17 as their first flight. Seems like an odd choice. I wouldn't want to launch a complex business like an airline 4 days before the busiest travel day of the year.
    Flying 180 seat A320's, leased. Only 2 of them, so not expecting a full route offering until well in to 2020 or even 2021.
    Looks like only Vancouver, montreal, quebec, winnipeg and halifax to start with in canada. Mexico and DR as well, so maybe their focus is vacation travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Canada Jetlines has set Dec 17 as their first flight. Seems like an odd choice. I wouldn't want to launch a complex business like an airline 4 days before the busiest travel day of the year.
    Flying 180 seat A320's, leased. Only 2 of them, so not expecting a full route offering until well in to 2020 or even 2021.
    Looks like only Vancouver, montreal, quebec, winnipeg and halifax to start with in canada. Mexico and DR as well, so maybe their focus is vacation travel.
    "It has also announced financing transactions with SmartLynx Airlines SIA for up to $15 million and a Korean special purpose fund led and established by InHarv Partners Ltd. for up to $14 million. As a result of the Company’s progress as well as the current status of financing initiatives, Jetlines has set a launch of commercial service targeted for December 17, 2019 using Vancouver (YVR) as Jetlines’ home airport.

    Jetlines has entered into a letter of intent with its (investment) partner, SmartLynx Airlines SIA, for the lease of two alternate Airbus A320 that will be available for delivery in Q4 2019 in line with the expected commencement of Jetlines’ operations. The two aircraft will have the same configuration as the AerCap aircraft, with 180 ACRO seats. The letter of intent is subject to executing a definitive lease agreement and other conditions customary to a transaction of this nature."

    https://jetlines.ca/2019/04/jetlines...launch-timing/

    Leasing planes from one of its investors. Also one of many ways to get around the foreign ownership restrictions is indentured debt incurred through operational costs.

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    Kind of a nice little news article from up the BC-Alberta Peace River country.

    “We have a new cross-border route to Dawson Creek and Fort St. John via Grande Prairie that will take passengers and freight to those points, Balwaria said.
    In addition, we’ve added a stop for Fort St. John passengers at Grande Prairie’s Queen Elizabeth II hospital, as well as a shuttle connection to the Edmonton International Airport that enables airline passengers from Fort St. John (my add: and Dawson Creek and Grande Prairie) to go directly to that airport.”

    Cool.

    https://www.alaskahighwaynews.ca/reg...ion-1.23782164

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    www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/as-swoop-takes-off-from-london-737-max-groundings-force-air-canada-to-pause-summer-service-to-calgary/ar-AAAIrYM?li=AAggFp5

    Maybe my fancy book learning is a bit off.or maybe I don't read so goodly...but can someone decipher what this article is trying to articulate? What I'm getting from this is the following: Swoop: YEG to London City Airport.

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    London, Ont.
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    Yep, London City is pretty much short haul with few exceptions. Nice connection via AMS on KLM though.
    ... gobsmacked

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    Sorry, what's the "Yep" part again?

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    Default Air Transat for sale?

    The company that owns Air Transat said Tuesday it has been approached by more than one interested party inquiring about a possible sale of the company. While the travel, hotel and airline operator isn't saying who, analysts and other observers have a few guesses about who the mystery buyers might be.
    https://apple.news/A0K5I1VVBRr6RJnM0NYPEtA
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    Interesting!
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    Separate note, and I'm late to the party...but is anyone else annoyed by the new joint venture between Westjet and Delta?

    As late as Fall 2017, I was able to get a round trip to the USA from Edmonton to Nashville for only $420 CAD on Delta. Got to go through customs in Edmonton, one connection at MSP, and found it much more preferable than connecting through another airport.

    Now, however, cheapest Delta routes to the US are basically entirely through Toronto or Calgary, with Westjet handling the Edmonton flights.








    Just had to get that off my chest as I'm trying to book a US flight for a conference in Nashville.

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    Terrible news for the Canadian traveller. I hope the government blocks this but unlikely because it is all in Quebec.
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    Monopoly all over again...
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    Question for those in the know:

    We had 2 different direct flight dates in July to Montreal with WestJet.

    They have emailed us with updated flight schedule now with stops in Toronto.

    Is that a sign of things to come from WestJet with reduced direct flights to/from Edmonton?

    Is there any similar effect you see for the holiday season 2019/2020 for access to sun/beach destinations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snail View Post
    Question for those in the know:

    We had 2 different direct flight dates in July to Montreal with WestJet.

    They have emailed us with updated flight schedule now with stops in Toronto.

    Is that a sign of things to come from WestJet with reduced direct flights to/from Edmonton?

    Is there any similar effect you see for the holiday season 2019/2020 for access to sun/beach destinations?
    WestJet cancelled nonstop flights between Edmonton and Montreal (and Edmonton-Ottawa) after the MAX 8 groundings. Not sure it means anything other than the fact that WestJet is thoroughly incapable of being a national carrier.

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    Plane shortage is what I suspect. You can't replace those jets as it is a global problem...Until Boeing decide their course, I would have to say it will be an on going short-term problem not just with WJ.
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    A couple of interesting videos.
    https://youtu.be/E3jfvncofiA
    https://youtu.be/ll58ZrIupKA
    The one about Berlin airport is very funny.
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    I would imagine that something similar is in the works for WestJet as well as Boeing.

    Lawyers propose class action lawsuit against Air Canada for customers affected by 737 MAX groundings

    On Friday, May 17, lawyers filed a motion proposing a class action lawsuit against Air Canada on behalf of customers who purchased tickets for flights on a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft between May 1 and July 30, 2019.


    Following the deadly Ethiopian Airlines crash in March, Transport Canada grounded all Boeing 737 MAX aircraft until further notice.


    As a result, airlines have had to cut back and reschedule flights over the coming months.

    https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/lawyers-...ings-1.4432284

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snail View Post
    Question for those in the know:

    We had 2 different direct flight dates in July to Montreal with WestJet.

    They have emailed us with updated flight schedule now with stops in Toronto.

    Is that a sign of things to come from WestJet with reduced direct flights to/from Edmonton?

    Is there any similar effect you see for the holiday season 2019/2020 for access to sun/beach destinations?
    The non-stop Edmonton to Montreal will operate on a modified schedule throughout July, as a result of the Max grounding. You can see which days they operate here:

    https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/book-t...-flights/index

    Perhaps if you are flexible with your travel dates, you could ask WestJet to put you on the non-stop.

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    Thanks to those responding to my question.

    ^ yes, I have already discussed options with WJ. The mid-week direct flight in July is at 1:10 am on Thursday. Red eye flights work on some occasions, but I settled for a Toronto stop.

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    Default Airbus says the A321XLR could be delivered by 2023-2024

    The A321XLR a single-isle aircraft could seat 220 passengers with an extended range of 4000nm (7410km), meaning it could reach as far as Vancouver from London
    http://newsinflight.com/2019/06/02/a...-by-2023-2024/
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    Transport Canada has approved the merger of First Air and Canadian North. It will be interesting to see how this effects the YEG operation.

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    Probably won't affect service as YEG seems to be the NWT base and YOW the way too/from Nunavut.

    Canadian North has a lot of assets here (flight simulators, hanger, maintenance base) that will likely stay.

    But, we may lose head office to Ottawa - not sure.
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    Head office is at YYC.
    EIA could see more maintenance and flight crew and cabin crew training as suggested.
    Last edited by Glenco; 19-06-2019 at 02:59 PM.
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    Air Canada increasing capacity on Grande Prairie and Fort McMurray routes


    Edmonton-Fort McMurray
    3x daily with Q-400s
    +70% Capacity Increase


    Edmonton-Grande Prairie
    2x daily with Q-400s
    +56% Capacity Increase


    https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...803241414.html
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    That is a very positive economic indicator.
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    ...Especially if arrival times lead to quick, convenient connections onward ...
    ... gobsmacked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    The A321XLR a single-isle aircraft could seat 220 passengers with an extended range of 4000nm (7410km), meaning it could reach as far as Vancouver from London
    http://newsinflight.com/2019/06/02/a...-by-2023-2024/

    Game changer for our small market.

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    Specially low cost carrier...
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    WestJet starting non-stop service to Honolulu on December 15.

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