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    We have a hometown airline now which although low cost i still maintain it’s in our best interest to support. They’ve hung on this long let’s hope they continue.

    As as for the discussion on the service we have I think it’s always fair to discuss and advocate for ourselves. We aren’t doing so bad when you’ve look at markets our size in a global context but it’s impossible to ignore our similarly sized neighbors 300 kms to the south and that’s I think what we all compare against when wishing for better service.

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    There's the rub. Our "similarly sized neighbours 300km to the south" have it all sewn up. I'll buy local any old time, but I guess nobody said it was going to be easy. EIA must be one of the fanciest feeder airports around.
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    Nobody is surprised that EIA continues to be a feeder airport. We will always be in the shadow of YYC and YVR, there is no room for another major international airport in Western Canada. Those two have it covered, and covered well. YVR and YYC both are business and tourist destinations, Edmonton barely has either.

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    With AA not returning this fall, it's quite disappointing to see. Although it was a CRJ900, but it gave us access to American Airline's network and put the city on the map.

    Very troubling to see how YEG is getting abandoned by the US major carriers.

    Instead we should celebrate Swoop service to Phoenix Mesa.

    Something is not right with the EIA management. We continue to see our airport going from second tier to soon third tier LCC base.

    I can't see why this management team continues to be in charge while focusing on the mall, casino, etc business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards
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    VR and YYC both are business and tourist destinations, Edmonton barely has either.


    This.

    You cannot blame ERAA for looking at alternate revenue streams. I don't.

    You also have to celebrate and appreciate what you have. Make no mistake, I am positive that the ERAA/EIA management dreams of the press conference announcing year-round frequency to FRA, AMS, LHR, HND...

    Flights are not just the Airport going out there and saying, "Come here, we're cool." New routes cost millions to get up and running, and they need some revenue room to offer whatever incentives they can to get the new flights. So, using land that probably will never be airside and just sit idle as a new revenue stream is not such a bad idea. The mall is Ivanhoe, not ERAA. You also must remember that this land, unlike Villeneuve, is still 100% owned by the Feds, who still charge large amounts of rent on land that they have long since amortized and written off. Then, you need both businesses and tourism offerings for external clients to want to invest their $$ into coming here more often than not. That is NOT the role of the Airport Authority. That is the role of the City of Edmonton, the Region, entrepreneurs in the metro area, and the Province.

    ERAA in the end is a service provider first and foremost.

    So, while I understand the angst, I also understand the problem. It is the root of the expansion of the Airshow...how to get investors here, to get the new opportunities here, to offer that differentiator that gets us noticed...so that other companies and opportunities can grow off of this one. ...and before the scoffing at Airshow being just an Airshow...that is like saying Stampede is just a rodeo...

    If you want things to change, you need to BE THAT CHANGE...not just sit and wail. That is the core of why I get so frustrated with things in Edmonton. You can't sit on your hands and throw cash at one-off things and expect immediate results. It is a multi-year campaign to get noticed and on the "circuit" before it pays off. Breaking the airlines' established travel and traffic patterns is like turning the Queen Mary on a dime...
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    A220-300 service starts in March.

    Montreal – Calgary
    16JAN20 – 30APR20 11 weekly (3 daily from 05MAR20)
    Montreal – Edmonton05MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily
    Montreal – New York LaGuardia05MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily
    Montreal – Toronto19JAN20 – 01MAR20 3 round-trips on Sundays
    Montreal – Winnipeg05APR20 – 30APR20 2 daily
    Toronto – Edmonton06MAR20 – 03APR20 10 weekly
    Toronto – Ottawa07MAR20 – 04APR20 3 round-trips on weekends
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Good Afternoon Everyone,

    Please see the below points regarding Icelandair's seasonal service:

    • This year’s seasonal service from Icelandair ends on September 28. This is in line with the airline’s seasonal plans from previous years, but due to the issues with the 737 Max aircraft, the date has been moved earlier.

    • The move to seasonal service protects the overall profitability of the route and helps maintain this important service.

    • We look forward to Icelandair’s non-stop service to Reykjavik resuming in spring 2020.

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    wtf does the 737 have to do with icelandair didnt they run the 767 here and im assuming still do is this just a way for them to say **** you to us?

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    if what you say is true, I'd guess that the 737 maxs being grounded on more profitable routes than ours to YEG caused the airline to shift their aircraft around and alas we get this... so yes, kinda a **** you, but not really.
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    They had to lease aircraft to get through the summer thanks to the shuffling of airframes that was required after the Max was grounded.

    Given Edmonton is currently a marginally-viable seasonal service it makes sense they'd shut it down early & lessen the need for planes.

    On 10 April, Icelandair announced changes to its flight schedule due to the suspension of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft. It is now expected that the suspension will last longer than anticipated and Icelandair has therefore made changes to its flight schedule until the end of October 2019.
    To minimize the impact on its passengers, Icelandair has been operating five leased aircraft during the summer season. The leasing agreements of two of the aircraft will expire at the end of August while the other three will be in operation until the end of September. Icelandair is currently working on extending the leasing agreement of one aircraft until the end of October.
    https://www.icelandair.com/en-ca/blo...ax-operations/
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    I think I've only ever seen Icelandair 757's in and out of here. Not sure where the 737 max's fit into the equation.
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    The routes serviced by the grounded planes still need to be flown, but without the 737Max8s they didn't have enough metal, so they leased planes. Leases are ending, so now once again they don't have enough metal & our seasonal service isn't profitable enough that it's what gets cut. They can make more money flying the 757s that would service Edmonton on other routes that were supposed to be flown by the grounded planes.

    Not sure how this is so hard to understand.
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    Winter service TO Edmonton is very tough... outbound is decent, but return is difficult.

    Opportunity cost.
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    It was my understanding that planes such as the 787 and new 737 were supposed to be ideal on thin routes involving YEG - so far we have not seen any of these planes used here for that purpose from any airlines

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Winter service TO Edmonton is very tough... outbound is decent, but return is difficult.

    Opportunity cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magnus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Good Afternoon Everyone,

    Please see the below points regarding Icelandair's seasonal service:

    • This year’s seasonal service from Icelandair ends on September 28. This is in line with the airline’s seasonal plans from previous years, but due to the issues with the 737 Max aircraft, the date has been moved earlier.

    • The move to seasonal service protects the overall profitability of the route and helps maintain this important service.

    • We look forward to Icelandair’s non-stop service to Reykjavik resuming in spring 2020.

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    wtf does the 737 have to do with icelandair didnt they run the 767 here and im assuming still do is this just a way for them to say **** you to us?
    Icelandair operates the 757 here. Obviously during the winter months, that 757 will be used to cover a (more profitable) route that was to be operated by a MAX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    It was my understanding that planes such as the 787 and new 737 were supposed to be ideal on thin routes involving YEG - so far we have not seen any of these planes used here for that purpose from any airlines
    WestJet's non-stop Honolulu route is to be served by the MAX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    It was my understanding that planes such as the 787 and new 737 were supposed to be ideal on thin routes involving YEG - so far we have not seen any of these planes used here for that purpose from any airlines
    WestJet's non-stop Honolulu route is to be served by the MAX.
    Will YEG see the WJ 787 going to Maui direct, as their 767's did?
    I flew it DUB-YYC - nice plane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magnus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Good Afternoon Everyone,

    Please see the below points regarding Icelandair's seasonal service:

    • This year’s seasonal service from Icelandair ends on September 28. This is in line with the airline’s seasonal plans from previous years, but due to the issues with the 737 Max aircraft, the date has been moved earlier.

    • The move to seasonal service protects the overall profitability of the route and helps maintain this important service.

    • We look forward to Icelandair’s non-stop service to Reykjavik resuming in spring 2020.

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    wtf does the 737 have to do with icelandair didnt they run the 767 here and im assuming still do is this just a way for them to say **** you to us?
    Icelandair operates the 757 here. Obviously during the winter months, that 757 will be used to cover a (more profitable) route that was to be operated by a MAX.
    I suspect the unexpected problems with the MAX has really messed things up for many airlines and they are kind of scrambling. Buying other planes is a big decision and if you don't know when or if the MAX will be up and running again you are probably just going to shuffle things around as much as possible until that question is somehow resolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    It was my understanding that planes such as the 787 and new 737 were supposed to be ideal on thin routes involving YEG - so far we have not seen any of these planes used here for that purpose from any airlines
    WestJet's non-stop Honolulu route is to be served by the MAX.
    Will YEG see the WJ 787 going to Maui direct, as their 767's did?
    I flew it DUB-YYC - nice plane.
    No chance. YYC getting all the 787s.
    And the Max is a big fat zero for a Dec Honolulu launch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    It was my understanding that planes such as the 787 and new 737 were supposed to be ideal on thin routes involving YEG - so far we have not seen any of these planes used here for that purpose from any airlines
    WestJet's non-stop Honolulu route is to be served by the MAX.
    Will YEG see the WJ 787 going to Maui direct, as their 767's did?
    I flew it DUB-YYC - nice plane.
    No chance. YYC getting all the 787s.
    And the Max is a big fat zero for a Dec Honolulu launch.
    Don't be so sure. Edmonton to Maui is currently scheduled with the MAX. If it is grounded over the winter, what will WestJet do with that route? I wouldn't rule out the 787.

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    KLM has some great prices right now to Europe for the fall. London for example is $836 return via AMS to LHR or LCY starting October 13.
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    Good time to go - Weather is still good and tourists are less

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    ^I've been to London that time of year and days are nice, 15C or so, nights around 8-9C
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    WestJet has delayed all YEG to Hawaii flying until January.
    MAX effect.

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    I have to say I am getting increasingly frustrated.

    Star Alliance carrier
    Lufthansa is to open a new transatlantic connection to Canada, with services to the capital Ottawa.

    Star Alliance partner Air Canada already operates the service from Ottawa to Frankfurt, and also connects the Canadian capital to London Heathrow.
    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...apital-460761/
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    Simple solution to air route frustration: Stop flying to connect through YYC and YYZ to fly out of Canada. Until people break that habit this will continue to happen.

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    Or, accept the fact we're in a geographically disadvantageous location & the current business models don't support increased investment here then continue to go about your life.
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    ^^Hard pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Or, accept the fact we're in a geographically disadvantageous location & the current business models don't support increased investment here then continue to go about your life.
    Pretty much.

    "Breaking the Calgary habit" will never happen. I'd rather fly through Calgary to get to Dallas or Nashville then fly to Denver or Toronto to get to those places.

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    We are geographically disadvantaged when it comes to traveling to the States. We have an advantage when it comes to Europe or Asia.
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    An advantage to places that we can't support routes to is not really an advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From YEG View Post
    Simple solution to air route frustration: Stop flying to connect through YYC and YYZ to fly out of Canada. Until people break that habit this will continue to happen.
    Almost impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    I have to say I am getting increasingly frustrated.

    Star Alliance carrier
    Lufthansa is to open a new transatlantic connection to Canada, with services to the capital Ottawa.

    Star Alliance partner Air Canada already operates the service from Ottawa to Frankfurt, and also connects the Canadian capital to London Heathrow.
    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...apital-460761/
    Why would this frustrate you? Maybe when you realize that nation's capital is a little more of an important world destination than this pimple on the prairies... you might become less frustrated? reality is hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    I have to say I am getting increasingly frustrated.

    Star Alliance carrier
    Lufthansa is to open a new transatlantic connection to Canada, with services to the capital Ottawa.

    Star Alliance partner Air Canada already operates the service from Ottawa to Frankfurt, and also connects the Canadian capital to London Heathrow.
    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...apital-460761/
    Why would this frustrate you? Maybe when you realize that nation's capital is a little more of an important world destination than this pimple on the prairies... you might become less frustrated? reality is hard.
    Yet another one of your useless posts.
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    Because endlessly restating how you feel entitled to certain flights, business cases be damned, is the height of usefulness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    I have to say I am getting increasingly frustrated.

    Star Alliance carrier
    Lufthansa is to open a new transatlantic connection to Canada, with services to the capital Ottawa.

    Star Alliance partner Air Canada already operates the service from Ottawa to Frankfurt, and also connects the Canadian capital to London Heathrow.
    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...apital-460761/
    Why would this frustrate you? Maybe when you realize that nation's capital is a little more of an important world destination than this pimple on the prairies... you might become less frustrated? reality is hard.
    Yet another one of your useless posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    I have to say I am getting increasingly frustrated.

    Star Alliance carrier
    Lufthansa is to open a new transatlantic connection to Canada, with services to the capital Ottawa.

    Star Alliance partner Air Canada already operates the service from Ottawa to Frankfurt, and also connects the Canadian capital to London Heathrow.
    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...apital-460761/
    Why would this frustrate you? Maybe when you realize that nation's capital is a little more of an important world destination than this pimple on the prairies... you might become less frustrated? reality is hard.
    Maybe that sort of pathetic attitude is why we don't get better service. You're entitled to project your inferiority complex, but if people here don't have pride in our city how can we expect anything of anyone else?

    Last time I checked Ottawa, Edmonton and Calgary were all about the same size population wise and Edmonton's airport surprisingly handles a lot more passengers than Ottawa, yet for the airlines it remains only Calgary uber alles. I can understand that Ottawa may get some additional service to Europe because of its geographic location and being the capital, but I can also understand the frustration of people here in being overlooked yet again.

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    Ottawa = nations capital. Little wonder why it gets international flights before Edmonton? If you can't figure out why Ottawa is just a few more notches more of an important destination to international travel than this pimple on a prairie... I'm at a loss to further explain it. It has nothing to do with the population size either. The nation's capital could be the population size of Saskatoon, but because its the nations capital, it will be a bigger draw for international flights.
    Calgary = finance capital of the west and the province, actual tourist destination next door... and beat YEG to the regional hub thing with all the airlines by a few decades while we tried to sort out YXD vs YEG.
    Edmonton = provincial capital...

    Sorry, nothing pathetic about reality. Continue to fill your boots on bitching and complaining about your pathetic propositions that Edmonton is being cheated or something. There is certainly not enough room in the province for 2 major international airports within a blink of eye of each other.

    We are not being overlooked, we are not even being considered, and that's because its reality.

    My response has nothing to do with attitude or pride in my city. My response is a direct view into the reality of the world... and so sorry if your rose-coloured views on Edmonton on the world's aviation market place are over-obviously-biased in favour of your hometown.
    Last edited by Medwards; 12-09-2019 at 03:05 PM.
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    For a city to attract airline flights, it has to be a place where people want to go to, not just go from.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Ottawa = nations capital. Little wonder why it gets international flights before Edmonton? If you can't figure out why Ottawa is just a few more notches more of an important destination to international travel than this pimple on a prairie... I'm at a loss to further explain it. It has nothing to do with the population size either. The nation's capital could be the population size of Saskatoon, but because its the nations capital, it will be a bigger draw for international flights.
    Calgary = finance capital of the west and the province, actual tourist destination next door... and beat YEG to the regional hub thing with all the airlines by a few decades while we tried to sort out YXD vs YEG.
    Edmonton = provincial capital...

    Sorry, nothing pathetic about reality. Continue to fill your boots on bitching and complaining about your pathetic propositions that Edmonton is being cheated or something. There is certainly not enough room in the province for 2 major international airports within a blink of eye of each other.

    We are not being overlooked, we are not even being considered, and that's because its reality.

    My response has nothing to do with attitude or pride in my city. My response is a direct view into the reality of the world... and so sorry if your rose-coloured views on Edmonton on the world's aviation market place are over-obviously-biased in favour of your hometown.
    Using your logic, there actually should be no international flights from Ottawa, as Montreal is "within a blink of eye of it". Montreal is a city three times the size of Ottawa with a bigger international airport too and a major regional financial centre.

    Admit it, you love Calgary and love to put down Edmonton.

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    Yeah, it's people's attitudes that's stopping airlines from choosing Edmonton & not basic capitalism. Clearly it can't be as simple as airlines getting a better return elsewhere, there's gotta be some deep-seated, purely emotional reason why we don't get the service we are so clearly entitled to.

    Gotcha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    For a city to attract airline flights, it has to be a place where people want to go to, not just go from.
    Throw a point on the board for Spudly. Exactly it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Yeah, it's people's attitudes that's stopping airlines from choosing Edmonton & not basic capitalism. Clearly it can't be as simple as airlines getting a better return elsewhere, there's gotta be some deep-seated, purely emotional reason why we don't get the service we are so clearly entitled to.

    Gotcha.
    What's so great about that dried up place on the prairies a few hours south? Only one thing they don't have the negative attitude about their own city that some people here do. If you don't respect yourself - no one else will

    Gotcha back punk !

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    Proximity to mountains & head offices? Tourism & business, two major drivers of airline traffic?

    BOOM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Proximity to mountains & head offices? Tourism & business, two major drivers of airline traffic?

    BOOM.
    Proximity to mountains - yes, some tourists want to go to the mountains, not so much Calgary. However that is not the only destination for tourists in Alberta and there are plenty of other things to see in other parts of the province too.

    Head offices - used to be. However, all those oil company head offices are not doing so well these days, or that's the way they make it sound and lots of the international ones are going or gone, so I would think business travel is down a lot. Heard some bad numbers about hotel occupancy there over the last year, so I am not sure it is still quite the destination it imagines itself to be.

    Perhaps they are getting by there on the fumes of the last oil boom, but eventually it will be realized that there is another major city in Alberta and its not good business to ignore or under serve a significant market and passenger traffic here continues to grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    ....and passenger traffic here continues to grow.
    Huhwhat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    ....and passenger traffic here continues to grow.
    Huhwhat?
    I didn't say every month. Some months this year have been better, some not as good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Proximity to mountains & head offices? Tourism & business, two major drivers of airline traffic?

    BOOM.
    Proximity to mountains - yes, some tourists want to go to the mountains, not so much Calgary. However that is not the only destination for tourists in Alberta and there are plenty of other things to see in other parts of the province too.

    Head offices - used to be. However, all those oil company head offices are not doing so well these days, or that's the way they make it sound and lots of the international ones are going or gone, so I would think business travel is down a lot. Heard some bad numbers about hotel occupancy there over the last year, so I am not sure it is still quite the destination it imagines itself to be.

    Perhaps they are getting by there on the fumes of the last oil boom, but eventually it will be realized that there is another major city in Alberta and its not good business to ignore or under serve a significant market and passenger traffic here continues to grow.
    Annual visitors to Banff - 4.2 million
    Distance from Banff to Calgary - 126 km

    Annual visitors to Jasper - 2.45 million
    Distance from Edmonton to Jasper - 365 km



    yeah, it''s like you literally can't tell the two cities apart.

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    ^ Not to mention that YYC-Jasper is only 30km more than YEG-Jasper and is a far more scenic and appealing drive for tourists.

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    Ottawa = nations capital. Little wonder why it gets international flights before Edmonton? If you can't figure out why Ottawa is just a few more notches more of an important destination to international travel than this pimple on a prairie... I'm at a loss to further explain it. It has nothing to do with the population size either. The nation's capital could be the population size of Saskatoon, but because its the nations capital, it will be a bigger draw for international flights.
    Calgary = finance capital of the west and the province, actual tourist destination next door... and beat YEG to the regional hub thing with all the airlines by a few decades while we tried to sort out YXD vs YEG.
    Edmonton = provincial capital...

    Sorry, nothing pathetic about reality. Continue to fill your boots on bitching and complaining about your pathetic propositions that Edmonton is being cheated or something. There is certainly not enough room in the province for 2 major international airports within a blink of eye of each other.

    We are not being overlooked, we are not even being considered, and that's because its reality.

    My response has nothing to do with attitude or pride in my city. My response is a direct view into the reality of the world... and so sorry if your rose-coloured views on Edmonton on the world's aviation market place are over-obviously-biased in favour of your hometown.
    Using your logic, there actually should be no international flights from Ottawa, as Montreal is "within a blink of eye of it". Montreal is a city three times the size of Ottawa with a bigger international airport too and a major regional financial centre.

    Admit it, you love Calgary and love to put down Edmonton.
    It's the NATIONS CAPITAL CITY

    Admit it, you can't see past your rose-coloured hometown glasses.
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    Yeah, it's people's attitudes that's stopping airlines from choosing Edmonton & not basic capitalism. Clearly it can't be as simple as airlines getting a better return elsewhere, there's gotta be some deep-seated, purely emotional reason why we don't get the service we are so clearly entitled to.

    Gotcha.
    What's so great about that dried up place on the prairies a few hours south? Only one thing they don't have the negative attitude about their own city that some people here do. If you don't respect yourself - no one else will

    Gotcha back punk !

    fake it till you make it doesn't really work in this scenario
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    Economic realities don't get erased or ignored by profit-seeking corporations through the power of positive thinking. Jeezus, this thread is making my brain hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Yeah, it's people's attitudes that's stopping airlines from choosing Edmonton & not basic capitalism. Clearly it can't be as simple as airlines getting a better return elsewhere, there's gotta be some deep-seated, purely emotional reason why we don't get the service we are so clearly entitled to.

    Gotcha.
    What's so great about that dried up place on the prairies a few hours south? Only one thing they don't have the negative attitude about their own city that some people here do. If you don't respect yourself - no one else will

    Gotcha back punk !
    fake it till you make it doesn't really work in this scenario
    Yes, I realize more people go to Banff than Jasper. I am guessing that due to the proximity to Calgary, many of those are actually day or weekend travelers from Calgary and area for at least a good portion of the year. I would not assume every visitor to Banff is an international or national traveler arriving by air and that sort of travel is seasonal, not steady throughout the year.

    The head office employment chart again contradicts some of the arguments made earlier here. Montreal, which is in close proximity to Ottawa, actually has a higher head office employment than Calgary (and it seems to being up lately, not down like Calgary's). Wouldn't that trend suggest Ottawa's air service should be going down and Montreal's up? Of course, the word head office could refer to many different sizes of companies also, some companies may have a head office, but depending on size or other factors do very little air travel, so the head office count is at best a crude measurement either way.

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    I thought Edmonton's climate was too cold for sour grapes, but it looks like Dave has a bumper crop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Yeah, it's people's attitudes that's stopping airlines from choosing Edmonton & not basic capitalism. Clearly it can't be as simple as airlines getting a better return elsewhere, there's gotta be some deep-seated, purely emotional reason why we don't get the service we are so clearly entitled to.

    Gotcha.
    What's so great about that dried up place on the prairies a few hours south? Only one thing they don't have the negative attitude about their own city that some people here do. If you don't respect yourself - no one else will

    Gotcha back punk !
    fake it till you make it doesn't really work in this scenario
    Yes, I realize more people go to Banff than Jasper. I am guessing that due to the proximity to Calgary, many of those are actually day or weekend travelers from Calgary and area for at least a good portion of the year. I would not assume every visitor to Banff is an international or national traveler arriving by air and that sort of travel is seasonal, not steady throughout the year.

    The head office employment chart again contradicts some of the arguments made earlier here. Montreal, which is in close proximity to Ottawa, actually has a higher head office employment than Calgary (and it seems to being up lately, not down like Calgary's). Wouldn't that trend suggest Ottawa's air service should be going down and Montreal's up? Of course, the word head office could refer to many different sizes of companies also, some companies may have a head office, but depending on size or other factors do very little air travel, so the head office count is at best a crude measurement either way.
    It seems that there's this one apparent fact that you can't really wrap your head around in this 'Montreal/Ottawa' thing


    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Ottawa = nations capital. Little wonder why it gets international flights before Edmonton? If you can't figure out why Ottawa is just a few more notches more of an important destination to international travel than this pimple on a prairie... I'm at a loss to further explain it. It has nothing to do with the population size either. The nation's capital could be the population size of Saskatoon, but because its the nations capital, it will be a bigger draw for international flights.
    Calgary = finance capital of the west and the province, actual tourist destination next door... and beat YEG to the regional hub thing with all the airlines by a few decades while we tried to sort out YXD vs YEG.
    Edmonton = provincial capital...

    Sorry, nothing pathetic about reality. Continue to fill your boots on bitching and complaining about your pathetic propositions that Edmonton is being cheated or something. There is certainly not enough room in the province for 2 major international airports within a blink of eye of each other.

    We are not being overlooked, we are not even being considered, and that's because its reality.

    My response has nothing to do with attitude or pride in my city. My response is a direct view into the reality of the world... and so sorry if your rose-coloured views on Edmonton on the world's aviation market place are over-obviously-biased in favour of your hometown.
    Using your logic, there actually should be no international flights from Ottawa, as Montreal is "within a blink of eye of it". Montreal is a city three times the size of Ottawa with a bigger international airport too and a major regional financial centre.

    Admit it, you love Calgary and love to put down Edmonton.
    It's the NATIONS CAPITAL CITY

    Admit it, you can't see past your rose-coloured hometown glasses.
    A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    I thought Edmonton's climate was too cold for sour grapes, but it looks like Dave has a bumper crop.
    Here is something I just saw, with less negativity

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle/...ort/ar-AAHBFDq

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