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    I meant YYZ. Flying to South America through YYZ was always a royal pain in the arse.

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    Good news, Aeromexico now offers direct flights from Calgary to Mexico City. Would have been better to fly direct from Edmonton, but at least this is the most direct route to Mexico City from Edmonton, and offers a myriad of connection opportunities to Central and South America without having to connect in the US, or fly out of the way to YVR or YYC.
    Fying through YYC is out of the way.

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    I ALWAYS fly ABC, Anywhere But Calgary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    I ALWAYS fly ABC, Anywhere But Calgary.
    Same here. This year I have been or have booked to go via Houston, Amsterdam, Seattle and Denver rather than Calgary. Often it costs more, but it's all I can do to support YEG flights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    I ALWAYS fly ABC, Anywhere But Calgary.
    Same here. This year I have been or have booked to go via Houston, Amsterdam, Seattle and Denver rather than Calgary. Often it costs more, but it's all I can do to support YEG flights.
    Same here.

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    Its a losing battle because for everyone who is ABC there are 10 others who will go because of better price, scheduling and options.

    They have us by the you know what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    Its a losing battle because for everyone who is ABC there are 10 others who will go because of better price, scheduling and options.

    They have us by the you know what.
    I am sure there are some, perhaps from Calgary, who would like us pesky Edmontonians to quit expecting decent air service. However, more passengers fly through Edmonton than Halifax, Ottawa or Winnipeg so it's not some little market that can just easily be ignored.

    I try to avoid Calgary too. There may be more frequent flights, but if you have to catch a plane there and then wait for a a connecting flight the time sitting in their airport can add up. Also, if you are traveling internationally, Vancouver, Toronto or most of the US hubs are all bigger so there are more flights to connect to from there. It might be the best option to get a connection to say from Regina, but not as much from Edmonton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    Its a losing battle because for everyone who is ABC there are 10 others who will go because of better price, scheduling and options.

    They have us by the you know what.
    Just you. The rest on here have told you NO Calgary. And my circle of friends (all Edmonton born) and their friends agree - NO Calgary.

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    ^ I try to avoid flying through YYC as well but what I am saying is that a lot of people don't care and just book the best deal or get their travel agent to book a trip for them - usually through YYC.

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    Just booked Iceland for a week, $416 return all in yegdeals.
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    Nice! Amazing country, but definitely seem to be getting more expensive (once you're there). Check out a restaurant called 'Grill Market' when you're there...have been there three times already and it only gets better. Lamb skewers...mmmmmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    Its a losing battle because for everyone who is ABC there are 10 others who will go because of better price, scheduling and options.

    They have us by the you know what.
    Just you. The rest on here have told you NO Calgary. And my circle of friends (all Edmonton born) and their friends agree - NO Calgary.
    Where's Calgary?

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    Booyah

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    Grew up near Prince George, family is still there as are long-time friends. I'll definitely be using this one, great to hear!

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    Air Canada Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner currently at YEG, will be departing as flight 174 to Toronto at 5:05 PM today. Looks like the Dreamliner is filling in for AC flight 172 that was cancelled earlier today (an A321) and combined with flight 174.

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    Three widebody fins currently lined up on the YEG south runway webcam - Westjet 767, Air Canada 787, KLM A330.
    http://flyeia.com/node/32375#sm.0000...jqmz2p9w7ebuqa

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    Must be a birthday present for YEG By AC to remind us what A 787 looks like.

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    And to rub our noses in it, maybe.
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    WestJet is launching new service to Huatulco on November 2.

    http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...ervice-in-w17/

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    WestJet Winter 2017-18 Schedule Changes

    Overall, 20 new weekly flights for a total of 398 weekly flights to 28 destinations.

    Cancun, increase from 5 to 6 weekly.
    Hamilton, now operating year-round, 4x weekly.
    Huatulco, new destination, one weekly.
    Kelowna, increase from 28 to 33 weekly flights.
    Los Angeles, change from morning departure to late afternoon departure.
    Mesa, operating again this winter.
    Ottawa, now operating year-round, 6x weekly.
    Victoria, increase from 12 to 13 weekly.

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    Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    WestJet Winter 2017-18 Schedule Changes

    Overall, 20 new weekly flights for a total of 398 weekly flights to 28 destinations.

    Cancun, increase from 5 to 6 weekly.
    Hamilton, now operating year-round, 4x weekly.
    Huatulco, new destination, one weekly.
    Kelowna, increase from 28 to 33 weekly flights.
    Los Angeles, change from morning departure to late afternoon departure.
    Mesa, operating again this winter.
    Ottawa, now operating year-round, 6x weekly.
    Victoria, increase from 12 to 13 weekly.
    great to see

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    Looks like this article regarding the winter schedule mentions 24 new weekly flights.
    "WestJet will increase service from Edmonton by 24 weekly flights this winter," said Brian Znotins, WestJet Vice-President, Network Planning, Alliances and Corporate Development. "As the carrier providing more service from EdmontonInternational Airport than any other, WestJet is committed to providing new destinations and routes, more convenient connections and more opportunities for Edmontonians and Northern Albertans to access WestJet's low fares, growing network and friendly, caring service."

    http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases...636306333.html

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    Looks like Air Canada has upsized their daily Toronto-Edmonton flight 163 / Edmonton-Toronto flight 168 to a 767-300 for the summer. Old news for some I'm sure...

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    As per tuffyy:

    Looks like Delta mainline will be returning in January with a daily Boeing 717 alongside a daily Embraer 175 by Delta connection on YEG-MSP.
    As per Acey on SSP:

    Mainline service with the A319 returns August 25 as a RON, operating the late flight in from MSP and departing YEG at 0815. The afternoon turn remains a Compass E175 until October 1 when it's replaced by a SkyWest CRJ9. 319 service ends on October 28 and is replaced by a SkyWest CRJ9.

    It remains 2X SkyWest for the first week of November till the 8th when 717 service begins. The aircrat spends the night at YEG and the morning departure back to MSP moves from 0830 to 0630, and the afternoon SkyWest turn shifts from 1430 to 1600. 717 ends on November 27 and it's back to 2x SkyWest. No mainline in December. 717 and Compass E75 both return on January 3, departure times from YEG of 0810 and 1540, respectively. Mainline service continues into at least April. This is a relatively big deal.

    Delta's fleet of Boeing 717-200 consists of 91 aircraft, each configured with 12 first class seats that are the "new" ones and match the rest of those in the narrowbody fleet. Delta's premium economy product is called Delta Comfort+ and there are 20 seats with 34" pitch. 78 economy seats in a 2-3 config and 31" pitch. This is a pretty good product, IMO... and I imagine fliers will prefer it to the 319.
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    Air Atlas is bringing it's 747-400's to Edmonton

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    Really seeing the funnel through YYC strengthen as our US flights start to have higher load factors. Strategy by WestJet especially to funnel through YYC is working. Went to book 2 flights for work and all flights to Houston for example next week and the following are well over a thousand dollars. Route through YYC and all the flights drop to $680. My nonstop to IAH came to $1630.

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    Top 20 US Destinations from Edmonton (2016)

    Bold denotes non-stop service

    1. Las Vegas 174000
    2. Phoenix 121000
    3. Los Angeles 119000
    4. Hawaii 86000
    5. Palm Springs 55000
    6. New York 50000
    7. Houston 49000
    8. San Francisco 47000
    9. Orlando 40000
    10. Seattle 38000
    11. San Diego 22500
    12. Chicago 22000
    13. Denver 20000
    14. Fort Lauderdale 17000
    15. Boston 16000
    16. Minneapolis 15700
    17. Portland 15500
    18. Washington 14000
    19. Dallas 12000
    20. Miami 9000

    I guess New York and San Francisco should be EIA's priority now.

    All numbers from Stats Canada
    http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26...pattern=&csid=

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    Thanks, very interesting numbers.

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    NYC/SFO/ORD are what I keep hearing from the Downtown business community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    NYC/SFO/ORD are what I keep hearing from the Downtown business community.
    Get them to stop connecting via YYC and YYZ and there might be a shot.

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    Numbers not that huge in my opinion. Look at the Dallas numbers: 12,000 pax - I am assuming both ways. That's not much 16 passengers per day each way.

    I can only think that San Francisco is decent enough to bring the service back. But the others are all pretty tiny. Really surprised that Chicago is such a small market for YEG.

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    ^Get an Edmontonian into this job and that might be possible:

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    Top 20 US Destinations from Edmonton (2016)

    Bold denotes non-stop service

    1. Las Vegas 174000
    2. Phoenix 121000
    3. Los Angeles 119000
    4. Hawaii 86000
    5. Palm Springs 55000
    6. New York 50000
    7. Houston 49000
    8. San Francisco 47000
    9. Orlando 40000
    10. Seattle 38000
    11. San Diego 22500
    12. Chicago 22000
    13. Denver 20000
    14. Fort Lauderdale 17000
    15. Boston 16000
    16. Minneapolis 15700
    17. Portland 15500
    18. Washington 14000
    19. Dallas 12000
    20. Miami 9000

    I guess New York and San Francisco should be EIA's priority now.

    All numbers from Stats Canada
    http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26...pattern=&csid=
    Hope Chicago is somewhere up there too for priority.

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    Careful what you ask for. For O/D okay. But I know people who go out of their way to avoid O'Hare for making connections; it consistently and persistently has one of the worst on-time records of any U.S. airport.

    Mind you, apparently MSP isn't a lot better!

    And New Yawk, all three? fuggeddaboudid
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    ^ How many passengers are actually visiting the cities vs connecting at an airport?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    ^ How many passengers are actually visiting the cities vs connecting at an airport?
    These are O/D numbers not connecting numbers.

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    Yeah but my point is that those cities are major tourist destinations, not just to connect elsewhere. I know some airline geeks might find this astonishing, but the sole purpose of a city isn't to prop up flight passenger numbers. So for someone to say that they'll avoid visiting New York or San Fran because of their airports are too busy is rather ludicrous.
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    Wouldn't avoid an entire city, but for Chicago would connect at MSP via Delta to land at Midway, not O'hare.

    New York, probably via MSP as well for any airport not named LaGuardia.

    SFO? No problem, love that airport.
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    LaG is awful, but I would take it.

    O'Hare is fine; Blue Line is easy, quick, cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyYeg View Post
    Numbers not that huge in my opinion. Look at the Dallas numbers: 12,000 pax - I am assuming both ways. That's not much 16 passengers per day each way.

    I can only think that San Francisco is decent enough to bring the service back. But the others are all pretty tiny. Really surprised that Chicago is such a small market for YEG.
    I am thinking those numbers wouldn't necessarily include everyone who got a connecting flight in another city, so I am thinking it is understated. Also, a regular service does not have to be daily - it could be several times a week. It might also be direct with a stop, rather than non stop as not every passenger on the plane needs to go to the same final destination.

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    We had service to Chicago in 2015. Wonder why that stopped?

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    Movement of metal, HUB, YYC.
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    The powers that be seem to be turning us into a feeder of YYC. They even have two non stop direct flights to Asia now and us none. Still doing all the bs at YVR here. May have to fly out of YYC next trip. Yuk

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    Honestly the routing through YYC has gotten so bad and will continue. WS can't fill their plans with out lower prices from YYC and yeg won't get additions due to that. Painful for businesses like mine where we have to watch the bottom line and it's expensive to maintain YeG first style flight arrangements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mla View Post
    We had service to Chicago in 2015. Wonder why that stopped?
    People wasting time lobbying Air Canada contributes to this situation

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    The dollar and oil prices had to do with Chicago and San Fran being discontinued. I don't see how the above comment is justified as these flights were Star Alliance connections lost (AC partner). No major airline has significantly invested in YEG nor will they at this rate of building up YYC, EIA I'm sure is worried about the massive build up from WestJet in particular at YYC. Try booking a flight into the US 2 weeks or even a day in advance and you'll be routed through YYC at a very reasonable price.
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    I absolutely refuse to fly through YYC. If a connector is necessary I always go through YVR or Toronto

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    ^ you may not but others will due to the airlines practice of price manipulation and route scheduling in favor of their hubs.

    Unfortunate but the reality EIA and all of us are facing in YEG.

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    I agree with the above sadly. I too search for other route possibilities and avoid YYC but i have to think if YYC comes up as shortest time of travel and/or cheapest option the vast majority are booking through Calgary without hesitation. Be interesting to see what initiatives like stop the Calgary habit and others have done to change the practices of the general flying public.

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    Next trip, coming home from Portland via SEA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Base View Post
    I agree with the above sadly. I too search for other route possibilities and avoid YYC but i have to think if YYC comes up as shortest time of travel and/or cheapest option the vast majority are booking through Calgary without hesitation. Be interesting to see what initiatives like stop the Calgary habit and others have done to change the practices of the general flying public.
    I think that initiative was aimed at people that care about air service and who are regular travelers, probably more than the occasional traveler who is only looking for the cheapest option. It probably created more awareness in Edmonton which is why in part we are having this discussion.

    Yes, airlines have their own ideas about scheduling, but they also have to be somewhat responsive to the markets they serve if they want to be successful there in the long run. Some airlines are more responsive to Edmontonians than others. If they are not serving the market well, also other entrants may come in that do - some of that has happened too. There are often options to connect elsewhere than Calgary and that may be a good choice sometimes - Toronto and Vancouver are real hubs with a lot more connections and choices than the Calgary mini-hub that is more artificially imposed upon us by some airlines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Next trip, coming home from Portland via SEA.
    The best way to go. Think about getting the Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan MasterCard from MBNA (really TD who bought it a few years ago). Not only are redemptions fairly easy and the add-on for fees etc. is only about $75 CDN for most North American destinations, you get 1 mile per CDN $ spent.

    Seattle has also some of the best airport food in my experience.

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    ^Good to know, thanks. *sigh* this trip will be Delta though.

    Transfer time at SEA is a manageable 50 minutes.
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    Booked My Vancouver flights next week. Have typically flown WestJet there for business. Last time i took the 8:00am flight as they used to have an earlier one but looks like that flight is no more. Clearly they didn't see the need for it but i had to book the Air Canada 6:00am flight this time as I like to get there early. Flights home also looked better at least for my taste on AC. This is more so just a personal experience post but was a bit surprised to see AC typically has more frequencies on the route than WJ.

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    Default Flair Airlines Announces Expansion

    Schedule Highlights

    Toronto to:

    • Edmonton, Vancouver, Kelowna 4 times weekly
    • Edmonton, Kelowna 3 times weekly

    Vancouver to:

    • Kelowna, 4 times weekly
    • Edmonton, Toronto 4 times weekly

    Kelowna to:

    • Edmonton, Toronto 3 times weekly
    • Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto 4 times weekly

    Edmonton International Airport will be Flair's main transfer hub. The schedule offers travellers more options and flexibility with times and locations.








    http://www.aviationpros.com/press_re...nces-expansion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Schedule Highlights

    Toronto to:

    • Edmonton, Vancouver, Kelowna 4 times weekly
    • Edmonton, Kelowna 3 times weekly

    Vancouver to:

    • Kelowna, 4 times weekly
    • Edmonton, Toronto 4 times weekly

    Kelowna to:

    • Edmonton, Toronto 3 times weekly
    • Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto 4 times weekly

    Edmonton International Airport will be Flair's main transfer hub. The schedule offers travellers more options and flexibility with times and locations.

    http://www.aviationpros.com/press_release/12366802/flair-airlines-announces-expansion

    Great to see.

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    Great news.

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    Canada Jetlines just announced their launch. Supposedly flying June next year with Hamilton/waterloo as their hub. Looks like Edmonton service to Vancouver, Winnipeg and Hamilton/Waterloo.
    I would expect similar prices to Flair/newleaf.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...line-1.4284017

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    The airline also announced the Edmonton International Airport will be Flair’s main transfer hub.

    “EIA is the perfect fit for Flair. It is a major international airport that connects people to around the world,” said Julie Rempel, communications and marketing representative.

    Flights between Toronto, Vancouver, Kelowna and Edmonton will take off several times a week, depending on the route and whether it is direct or has stops. For example, Flair said it will have seven direct flights to Toronto out of Edmonton each week. In addition, there will also be four direct flights to Vancouver and three to Kelowna.

    Flights to the three new markets will begin on Dec. 15, and tickets are now on sale. As well, the airline said passengers are now able to book flights through to the end of 2018.

    “This is just the beginning of many more announcements such as this,” Lapointe said. “We are adding more aircraft and as we do, our network will grow significantly.”

    Flair Airlines currently has five Boeing 737s, and said it will be getting one more aircraft in December, and then a seventh in early 2018. The airline plans to be operating 12 aircraft by the spring of 2019.

    Flair said since last year, it has flown over 376,600 passengers on over 3,090 flights.
    http://globalnews.ca/news/3734355/fl...-transfer-hub/

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    the H word!
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    Now, if they could just codeshare with, oh, dunno, Delta? KLM? Icelandair?

    Then we'd really have something
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    Good news indeed amidst more challenging news.
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    Great news!
    Almost always open to debate...

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    Are they starting flights to YYZ or just referring to YHM when they say Toronto?

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    YYZ
    ... gobsmacked

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    The following is a list of airports for Flair Airlines Scheduled Service. Additional airport locations may be added as Flair Airlines route network expands. Visit their websites or call to obtain more information on parking, access, etc.

    Abbotsford International Airport (YXX)

    30440 Liberator Ave, Abbotsford, BC V2T 6H5
    (604) 855-1001

    Edmonton International Airport (YEG)

    1000 Airport Rd, Nisku, AB T9E 0V3
    (780) 890-8382

    Winnipeg
    James Armstrong Richardson International Airport (YWG)


    2000 Wellington Ave, Winnipeg, MB R3H 1C2
    (204) 987-9402

    John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport (YHM)


    9300 Airport W, Mount Hope, ON L0R 1W0
    (905) 679-1999

    Halifax
    International Airport (YHZ)


    1 Bell Blvd, Enfield, NS B2T 1K2
    (902) 873-4422
    http://gonewleaf.ca/travel-info/at-the-airport/

    Haven't updated their site yet, despite what the PR says.
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    Flown with Flair 3 times and every flight was on time and FAR less by several hundreds of dollars than WJ and AC. Competition is a great thing in a country dominated by 2 carriers. Bring it!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    If only it actually thier aircraft
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    This is a HUGE problem. Nobody takes a flight to Calgary when you can drive, so it's all connection traffic. A quick calculation shows 5,700+ seats on AC alone feeding YYC from YEG every week.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Taras View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    This is a HUGE problem. Nobody takes a flight to Calgary when you can drive, so it's all connection traffic. A quick calculation shows 5,700+ seats on AC alone feeding YYC from YEG every week.


    Don't tell WS or AC that. They operate as if they want YYC to be the only major international airport in the province.

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    It is.

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    Why does Wikipedia indicate that the Icelandair flight to KEF is seasonal? I thought it was year round?

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    Just saw a a story on CTV stating Iceland Air is making thier flight seasonal this fall. Caught the tail end of it.
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    Haha. Looks like my wife is literally going out on the last flight outta Dodge, as it were.

    Schedule pdf is still outta date.
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    Ugh, first Aero Mexico just to Calgary and now Westjet. https://www.skiesmag.com/press-relea...rvice-yvr-yyc/. I wish Aeromexico would alternate like the Mexican airline did a few years ago. 4 times a week to Calgary, 3 times a week to Edmonton. Have had many Mexican tourists this summer who flew into Calgary and finished up in Edmonton and driving back to Calgary for their flight home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booster View Post
    Ugh, first Aero Mexico just to Calgary and now Westjet. https://www.skiesmag.com/press-relea...rvice-yvr-yyc/. I wish Aeromexico would alternate like the Mexican airline did a few years ago. 4 times a week to Calgary, 3 times a week to Edmonton. Have had many Mexican tourists this summer who flew into Calgary and finished up in Edmonton and driving back to Calgary for their flight home.
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    How are they the least effective ? What part of you that dont understand we are not a hub? Since you understand " EFFECTIVENESS," could you take over the CEO's position, and make your "EFFECTIVE " to garner us the flights we so desire? I share the frustration, but can you read your statement again. Sheesh!
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    People who fly to London frequently who do not use FI or KLM (or the limited WestJet service) are a big part of the problem getting non-stop routes.

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    It seems like Edmonton International Airport is going back to same problems as before. Travel agents will book through Calgary instead of Edmonton.
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    I'm wondering if the airlines themselves have dictated that? If so, news flash for them... i will make every effort not to go to Calgary- drive or fly for a flight there. Are you folks from West Jet listening? Air Canada can go to hell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From YEG View Post
    People who fly to London frequently who do not use FI or KLM (or the limited WestJet service) are a big part of the problem getting non-stop routes.
    I'd be split on that. I'm not a frequent flyer, but when I want to go to London I'm not interested in overflying it to Amsterdam. I'd go with FI though. At least Reykjavik is 'on the way', so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    It seems like Edmonton International Airport is going back to same problems as before. Travel agents will book through Calgary instead of Edmonton.
    I think the ups and downs of the economy over the last few years have something to do with it. However, I think the airlines may have to eventually reverse themselves on this one. It reminds me of the Henry Ford dictate to customers that they could have any colour of car as long as it was black. I expect some competitor eventually realized a sizable number of customers were not be so well served by the restriction of choice and that led Ford to relent on it. Its often not the best business strategy to be rigid in things and force the customers to do what is most convenient for your company.

    While Air Canada and WestJet make up a sizable portion of the industry, there are new entrants and other airlines who are looking at or take different approaches. If they start to take enough business away from the duopoloy, they will have to change their strategy somewhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    It seems like Edmonton International Airport is going back to same problems as before. Travel agents will book through Calgary instead of Edmonton.
    if they're doing that, they're not looking after your short or long term travel requirements...

    a flight to calgary from edmonton takes 50 minutes.

    a flight from amsterdam to london is 60 minutes.

    polar route flights are slightly shorter - and faster - from edmonton.

    coming home, you can check your baggage straight through without having to go through customs and security in calgary and then have to reboard.
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    Interesting our corporate travel agency (CWT) has hidden United flights highlighting most routes through YYC. Our preferred vendor is United . . . I'm making a call tomorrow.

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    ^
    Perhaps Calgary's portion hass really dropped, so they trying to force us by deception?
    ^^
    I couldn't agree with you more Ken on that, and coming home, it'll most likely an extra 1.5 hours to two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    a flight to calgary from edmonton takes 50 minutes. (Plus an hour at EIA)

    a flight from amsterdam to london is 60 minutes.

    polar route flights are slightly shorter - and faster - from edmonton.

    coming home, you can check your baggage straight through without having to go through customs and security in calgary and then have to reboard.
    (Plus the one to to two hours transfer time in YYC)
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    a flight to calgary from edmonton takes 50 minutes. (Plus an hour at EIA)

    a flight from amsterdam to london is 60 minutes.

    polar route flights are slightly shorter - and faster - from edmonton.

    coming home, you can check your baggage straight through without having to go through customs and security in calgary and then have to reboard.
    (Plus the one to to two hours transfer time in YYC)
    Or longer

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    Unrelated to YEG, but how can Sunwing offer direct flights from US to the caribbean? These do not originate in Canada. Is it because they are charter flights for travel companies?
    http://www.flysunwing.com/us/flybetter/routemap.asp

    https://www.vacationexpress.com/

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    So I booked a flight through Flair Airlines for this December to Kelowna. I was expecting it to be direct because, you know, Flair was supposed to be using YEG as its "hub" (or so I thought I had heard). But for some reason we have a stopover at YVR. It was still cheaper than WS but I'm wondering why it isn't a direct flight...

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    Flights are required to state any stop-overs at time of booking. Did you not see the stop over at time of flight selection?

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    ^ I have noticed that the booking will state non-stop but it became a direct flight for whatever reason - more passengers or tech stop. Never with the bigger airlines but with Sunwing and Air Transat have I experienced these stopovers.

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    ^Interesting and in the long run, I could believe it. I think it would take a while for those business connections to grow and take hold.

    a 5500mile radius gives us all of Europe, Russia, and bit of China, all of Japan and Korea, very tip of North africa, top half of south america, and all of Caribbean and north america.

    I think the population size is also important. There's got to be a minimum number of business travellers to support it. Connecting Westlock with Moscow is not going to be a successful flight.

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