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    Default Hwy 60 - rail overpass @ Acheson

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    The Acheson Business Park, on the western outskirts of Edmonton, is one of the fastest growing industrial parks. It is split by Highway 60 and, within that two kilometer stretch, a railway crossing. That's where the problem lies.

    "The arms come down and the trains stop traffic for extended periods of time." said Dale Allen with the Acheson Business Association. "Forty trains a day … that's the average. That's what CN presently has on the tracks right now."

    Allen is just one of the 5,000 people who work in the area. He adds that he hears complaints about the clogged corridor every day.

    "So you have forty trains a day crossing a highway that has 20,000 vehicles a day with a simple arm crossing. At some point in time, this is going to get beyond silly." Allen said. "This problem is only going to get worse."

    A plan is in the works to remedy the situation. Alberta Transportation says the engineering design work for a four lane highway and bridge is complete but the project would only proceed based on available funding.
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    Forty trains a day. I assume that's in a 24-hour period. Phrasing it that way makes it sound as though there is indeed a problem, but how many train movements are there in the bulk of the 12-hour daytime period when most of the road traffic occurs?

    Even so, at forty trains in a 24-hour period, there's plenty of gaps between trains. Unless there's a dramatic increase in road and rail traffic in the near future, I can't really see a need for this proposed bridge yet.
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    I've been caught at trains here a few times...

    hwy 60 will eventually be the outer ring road... but thats 40 years out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    Forty trains a day. I assume that's in a 24-hour period. Phrasing it that way makes it sound as though there is indeed a problem, but how many train movements are there in the bulk of the 12-hour daytime period when most of the road traffic occurs?

    Even so, at forty trains in a 24-hour period, there's plenty of gaps between trains. Unless there's a dramatic increase in road and rail traffic in the near future, I can't really see a need for this proposed bridge yet.
    Very good point. 40 trains a day and 20,000 cars a day sounds bad, but in reality, a lot of the trains would travel during off-peak hours, when vehicular traffic is minimal...

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    ^20 trains in 12 hours. You'll find a Tier I rail network averages pretty smoothly across a 24-hour period, over a few months of course. There might be one or two trains running around Acheson park on a spur that more consistently go at a specific time, but mainline traffic will run day/night.

    The problem is that you could very easily fill the 2.5km stretch of AB-60 with bumper-to-bumper traffic, waiting 8-10 minutes for a mainline train to pass. Find one or two thoughtless drivers who block the side roads into Acheson Park, and that means everybody sits and waits. Nobody enters, nobody leaves. (The alternative is to re-direct to your nearest highway 16/16A and proceed to Henday or Century Road before proceeding to your destination.)

    While I'd want to see numbers that justify the $100 million request, I can see the potential for significant delay of a thousand or two thousand people. Perhaps a couple of traffic lights restricting turns that would leave to a closed train crossing would suffice? (Doubt it.)

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    $100 million!

    Why not install a few remotely controlled billboards that could be placed at points of no return to allow traffic to take another route. It could be tied in with the railway's dispatch centre to turn the sign on and off. It would be cheaper than an overpass.

    i.e. something like:

    Rail Crossing 500M Ahead
    Train ETA: 2 minutes.
    Crossing time est.: 8 minutes.


    Then re-zone the affected intersections to allow for SecondCups, Starbucks and Tim Hortons

    Also, they might be able to put a tunnel under the tracks for a lot less which would save acres of development land that could otherwise generate tax revenues.
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    Keep in mind though that Hwy 60 still serves as a bypass route around Edmonton. So the twinning and overpass proposal is not just for Acheson's benefit.
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    ^ Exactly. With highway 60 rerouting round Devon and twinning highway 19, this is quickly becoming the new SW leg of the outer outer ring road. Might as well finish it now.

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    and around Enoch?

    Read Calgary Ring Road. BTW, stop.

    I buy the over/underpass deal. Not so much outer ring-road.
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    I'm a conductor for CN and I can say that more than half of trains will be coming during the day. But the number of trains isn't the problem anymore, it's the length. Trains are now getting over two miles long. And Acheson is also affected by a bottle neck at Spruce Grove where CN's mainline reduces to one track, effectively creating delays and slower trains. I think a bridge here would be a very good idea.

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    ^^ Hwy 60 is twinned through Enoch. Just the speed limit is reduced through much of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    ^ Exactly. With highway 60 rerouting round Devon and twinning highway 19, this is quickly becoming the new SW leg of the outer outer ring road. Might as well finish it now.
    It's a $100 million.


    I'm back, with the solution:

    "Cleveland's Highway Law: Highways in the worst need of repair naturally have low traffic counts, which results in low priority for repair work."
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    "Law of Road Construction: After large expenditures of federal, state, and county funds; after much confusion generated by detours and road blocks; after greatly annoying the surrounding population with noise, dust, and fumes -the previously existing traffic jam is relocated by one-half mile."

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    Good news

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...b=EdmontonHome

    The Acheson Business Park, on the western outskirts of Edmonton, is one of the fastest growing industrial parks. It is split by Highway 60 and, within that two kilometer stretch, a railway crossing. That's where the problem lies.

    "The arms come down and the trains stop traffic for extended periods of time." said Dale Allen with the Acheson Business Association. "Forty trains a day … that's the average. That's what CN presently has on the tracks right now."

    Allen is just one of the 5,000 people who work in the area. He adds that he hears complaints about the clogged corridor every day.

    "So you have forty trains a day crossing a highway that has 20,000 vehicles a day with a simple arm crossing. At some point in time, this is going to get beyond silly." Allen said. "This problem is only going to get worse."

    A plan is in the works to remedy the situation. Alberta Transportation says the engineering design work for a four lane highway and bridge is complete but the project would only proceed based on available funding.
    So, seven years later, due to the old PC party blowing smoke and mirrors on this, it looks like this'll finally get underway. With the statement that the engineering design work was completed, shouldn't that save a few shekels this time around? Or did the PC's shred everything on their way out of the door?
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    https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...932E09A567A67D

    Jan 18, 2019
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    Work on Highway 60 improvements to begin

    Twinning and a new overpass will ease congestion and improve safety for thousands of drivers on Highway 60.


    Premier Notley announces improvements to Highway 60 to help ease traffic and improve safety.

    The Government of Alberta is twinning the highway between highways 16 and 16A, constructing an overpass over the CN rail tracks, and realigning the interchange over highway 16A to accommodate twinning.
    Design work and relocation of utilities is set to begin later this year.
    “Highway 60 is an important economic corridor in the region. Improvements to this vital route will help industry move oversize and overweight loads to the north and northwest corners of the province and support economic growth in the Edmonton region.”
    Rachel Notley, Premier
    The highway 60 project is part of the $1.6 billion funding strategy to upgrade the High Load Corridor across Alberta.
    “Twinning highway 60 between highways 16 and 16A will mean a safer, smoother drive for thousands of motorists who use that stretch of highway each day. These and other changes will save time, support economic development and help everyone get to their destination safely.”
    Brian Mason, Minister of Transportation
    A new overpass will be built to separate the Canadian National Railway tracks from Highway 60 so that northbound and southbound traffic will not need to pass railway tracks or be delayed by passing trains.
    The Highway 60 improvement project is expected to support about 450 direct and indirect jobs during construction. Construction should take two to three years.
    Quick facts

    • Highway 60 has become a major corridor for the movement of goods and services through the area and connects to a number of industrial business parks.
    • The interchange at highways 60 and 16A will be realigned to accommodate four lanes of traffic.
    • Highway 60 is also a new component of the High Load Corridor that supports the movement of oversize and overweight vehicles and connects them to the provincial highway network.
    • Daily traffic volume is roughly 15,000 vehicles per day and truck traffic makes up 25 per cent of that volume.
    • There are upwards of 50 train crossings per day on the CN mainline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...b=EdmontonHome

    The Acheson Business Park, on the western outskirts of Edmonton, is one of the fastest growing industrial parks. It is split by Highway 60 and, within that two kilometer stretch, a railway crossing. That's where the problem lies.

    "The arms come down and the trains stop traffic for extended periods of time." said Dale Allen with the Acheson Business Association. "Forty trains a day … that's the average. That's what CN presently has on the tracks right now."

    Allen is just one of the 5,000 people who work in the area. He adds that he hears complaints about the clogged corridor every day.

    "So you have forty trains a day crossing a highway that has 20,000 vehicles a day with a simple arm crossing. At some point in time, this is going to get beyond silly." Allen said. "This problem is only going to get worse."

    A plan is in the works to remedy the situation. Alberta Transportation says the engineering design work for a four lane highway and bridge is complete but the project would only proceed based on available funding.
    So, seven years later, due to the old PC party blowing smoke and mirrors on this, it looks like this'll finally get underway. With the statement that the engineering design work was completed, shouldn't that save a few shekels this time around? Or did the PC's shred everything on their way out of the door?
    Probably sat design complete on a desk with the rest of the design complete projects from across the province. What a joke.... and the idiots on reddit think this way of road expansion works. Mind boggling.

    Constantly playing catch up, reactive instead of proactive. Municipalities are the same.

    There's a level rail crossing between Red Deer and Blackfalds that constantly snarls traffic... backed up km's. It's at a CN marshalling yard so instead of waiting for the train length to simply cross, the train will stop, reverse, move forward, stop, reverse, move forward, stop, reverse and so on..... while keeping the road completely blocked the entire time. Drivers are blasting the horn, rail staff are yelling at drivers, people almost rear end each other.... just stupid. Probably the worst road problem in central Alberta.
    I drive really slow, in the ultra fast lane
    While people behind me, are going insane.

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    ^ Wow! Sounds like a doozy.
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    ^^we need video proof of that!

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    Oh I know that one, it's the switchback on Highway 2A at Labuma. Got stuck there once, never again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolworm View Post
    Oh I know that one, it's the switchback on Highway 2A at Labuma. Got stuck there once, never again.
    Yup that’s the one! Now imagine getting stuck in that multiple times per week. Always at 5pm too. It never fails. Busiest time for the highway and they block it with a ******* train.

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    sounds like 50th street in Edmonton.

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    Or 86. There's been an incident every week for the past couple of months, cars backed up from Argyll to Roper because of it.

    Anyway, overpasses for the 50 St rail crossings were in the city budget so that's some mercy.

    On a somewhat related issue, Highway 60 is supposed to be twinned as part of the upgrade, right? Does the province own all the land they need going through Enoch for the widening, or is it just between 16/16A?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolworm View Post
    Or 86. There's been an incident every week for the past couple of months, cars backed up from Argyll to Roper because of it.

    Anyway, overpasses for the 50 St rail crossings were in the city budget so that's some mercy.

    On a somewhat related issue, Highway 60 is supposed to be twinned as part of the upgrade, right? Does the province own all the land they need going through Enoch for the widening, or is it just between 16/16A?
    Isn't already twinned all the way through Enoch?

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    Highway 60 is twinned between 16 and 19. The part through Acheson is being modified right now, but is 4 lanes. ...and yes, Enoch is twinned. The only thing to add is an overpass /interchange there.

    Highway 627/60 would be next.

    I do find a rail overpass at $100 million high.

    Plans exist to twin to 39. But that is a long way off. Currently, the only plan is a traffic circle on 39/60.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Highway 60 is twinned between 16 and 19. The part through Acheson is being modified right now, but is 4 lanes. ...and yes, Enoch is twinned. The only thing to add is an overpass /interchange there.

    Highway 627/60 would be next.
    627? Not 628 (Whitemud)?

    Thanks for the clarification on Enoch, obviously I don't drive around that area often (at most I go to the casino and that's it).

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    I used to take Hwys 60 and 19 as an Edmonton bypass before switching to the SW Henday. I'm glad this twinning through Acheson is finally coming to fruition but IMO it's a decade too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolworm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Highway 60 is twinned between 16 and 19. The part through Acheson is being modified right now, but is 4 lanes. ...and yes, Enoch is twinned. The only thing to add is an overpass /interchange there.

    Highway 627/60 would be next.
    627? Not 628 (Whitemud)?

    Thanks for the clarification on Enoch, obviously I don't drive around that area often (at most I go to the casino and that's it).
    NP...

    627 sees more traffic now, and probably will into the future. There are no industrial plans for that 79 ave corridor (628 ) and the traffic there is mainly casino, Lewis shortcuts, and the Ranch. 627 sees an amazing volume according to the last highway study I have, and with planned industrialization along that corridor (parkland/Leduc county), it will see more commuters. I use it pretty much daily, and you can no longer pass vehicles along 90% of that road due to oncoming traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    $100 million!

    Why not install a few remotely controlled billboards that could be placed at points of no return to allow traffic to take another route. It could be tied in with the railway's dispatch centre to turn the sign on and off. It would be cheaper than an overpass.

    i.e. something like:

    Rail Crossing 500M Ahead
    Train ETA: 2 minutes.
    Crossing time est.: 8 minutes.


    Then re-zone the affected intersections to allow for SecondCups, Starbucks and Tim Hortons

    Also, they might be able to put a tunnel under the tracks for a lot less which would save acres of development land that could otherwise generate tax revenues.

    It is expensive to do things right. Try building a bridge for a train to pass over while keeping that track open at the same time.

    Wait for the tender bids to come in.

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    Leave it to Cliff Clavin to think of some truly lame ideas when he's not busy with the thread necros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    ^^ Hwy 60 is twinned through Enoch. Just the speed limit is reduced through much of it.
    When was Highway 60 twinned through Enoch? By not putting in overpasses, lights went in, thus the speed limit had to be lowered.

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