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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Yeah time well tell. This project was a joke from concept to completion so I have little to no hope it will ever operate as it was supposed to.

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    A gondola system for the 3.3 km length could have been built for 1/10th the cost with a similar speed, no waiting time and no traffic disruption and little infrastructure changes.

    The COE is more interested in mega transit projects that protects the ETS transit union monopoly rather than providing better transit.

    The lack of support for the current gondola proposal is proof of that
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    At least the Province is commited to spending $1.4B on the WLRT and $130M expansion of the Metro Line to Blatchford.

    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/showt...ruction/page88

    Calgary still gets more msi dollars then we do. Just to get the bridge over the rail yards is going to cost ~ $600M.
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    Calgary gets more because they have a larger population. If you add in St. Albert, Sherwood Park and the rest and then look at it per capita, it's going to be pretty close.

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    all the more reason to annex

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    I think it would be nice to see the outlying municipalities invest more in transit, possibly in projects in alignment with the regional transit plan.
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    I’m sure surrounding communities with their same evening and next day snow clearing, pot hole free smooth streets, dandelion free nicely trimmed parks and boulevards, industrial tax bases and a multitude of other pluses are dying to be part of the city of Edmonton and all their problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I’m sure surrounding communities with their same evening and next day snow clearing, pot hole free smooth streets, dandelion free nicely trimmed parks and boulevards, industrial tax bases and a multitude of other pluses are dying to be part of the city of Edmonton and all their problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Calgary gets more because they have a larger population. If you add in St. Albert, Sherwood Park and the rest and then look at it per capita, it's going to be pretty close.
    this is funding only for the two big charter cities. edmonton gets less than calgary because it seems to have been done on a per capita formula. st. albert, sherwood park and the rest get nothing so on a per capita basis for the region, it's even less close, not more. when you factor in the expenses that edmonton incurs on behalf of the region overall, it's probably even less fair. at the end of the day however, it probably wasn't intended to be as fair as it was intended to give both municipalities the ability to impose more taxes and fees and to take on more of what used to be provincial and federal responsibilities. at the end of the day, this is more downloading by the province than it is financial certainty for the two cities or their taxpayers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I’m sure surrounding communities with their same evening and next day snow clearing, pot hole free smooth streets, dandelion free nicely trimmed parks and boulevards, industrial tax bases and a multitude of other pluses are dying to be part of the city of Edmonton and all their problems.

    Precisely correct.
    You mean all those free loading parasites.
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    This is why the the regional transit board is needed: to give a larger voice commiserate with the actual transit using population (distribution). This is particularly relevant for the Metro line as it's suposed to extend to St Albert in the future. That segment will cost a cool billion clams; using the current 40-40-20 split, I doubt they could pony up the required amount. It will be a regional effort to get that built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolworm View Post
    This is why the the regional transit board is needed: to give a larger voice commiserate with the actual transit using population (distribution). This is particularly relevant for the Metro line as it's suposed to extend to St Albert in the future. That segment will cost a cool billion clams; using the current 40-40-20 split, I doubt they could pony up the required amount. It will be a regional effort to get that built.
    Well said. It is going to be a hard sell to tell the people in Sherwood Park their portion of the regional funding is going to building LRT to St. Albert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I’m sure surrounding communities with their same evening and next day snow clearing, pot hole free smooth streets, dandelion free nicely trimmed parks and boulevards, industrial tax bases and a multitude of other pluses are dying to be part of the city of Edmonton and all their problems.

    Precisely correct.
    You mean all those free loading parasites.
    You mean the hundreds of COE staff including bus drivers, police and transportation managers who live outside of Edmonton?
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    Yes, this round of funding is only for the big cities but it's not as if the transit systems in the region get $0. And there's a lot more regional transit around Edmonton. Lump all the transit funding together and it's a clearer picture of transit funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I’m sure surrounding communities with their same evening and next day snow clearing, pot hole free smooth streets, dandelion free nicely trimmed parks and boulevards, industrial tax bases and a multitude of other pluses are dying to be part of the city of Edmonton and all their problems.
    you spelt leeches wrong.

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    Back on topic: https://globalnews.ca/news/4727287/e...alling-system/

    We'll see how this goes, hopefully testing won't take too long and the City can either accept Thales' solution or move on. It's dragged on long enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolworm View Post
    Back on topic: https://globalnews.ca/news/4727287/e...alling-system/

    We'll see how this goes, hopefully testing won't take too long and the City can either accept Thales' solution or move on. It's dragged on long enough.
    It will be another year or two until they accept or reject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Foolworm View Post
    Back on topic: https://globalnews.ca/news/4727287/e...alling-system/

    We'll see how this goes, hopefully testing won't take too long and the City can either accept Thales' solution or move on. It's dragged on long enough.
    It will be another year or two until they accept or reject.
    And they also said they have a back-up plan for signals if this Thales fix doesn't work...but it won't make things any better. In fact, they said it may make it worse.

    Might as well just stay with what they have if that's the case.

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    I’m cynical that the city will probably find something wrong with the signalling over something trivial (“but nobody told me that you had to stop at a railway crossing”). Then they’ll get some local contractor to louse it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmontonsKindaGuy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
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    Back on topic: https://globalnews.ca/news/4727287/e...alling-system/

    We'll see how this goes, hopefully testing won't take too long and the City can either accept Thales' solution or move on. It's dragged on long enough.
    It will be another year or two until they accept or reject.
    And they also said they have a back-up plan for signals if this Thales fix doesn't work...but it won't make things any better. In fact, they said it may make it worse.

    Might as well just stay with what they have if that's the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EdmontonsKindaGuy View Post
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    Back on topic: https://globalnews.ca/news/4727287/e...alling-system/

    We'll see how this goes, hopefully testing won't take too long and the City can either accept Thales' solution or move on. It's dragged on long enough.
    It will be another year or two until they accept or reject.
    And they also said they have a back-up plan for signals if this Thales fix doesn't work...but it won't make things any better. In fact, they said it may make it worse.

    Might as well just stay with what they have if that's the case.
    Source?
    Don’t have it handy but I thought I heard it on the news. Maybe I heard wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmontonsKindaGuy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EdmontonsKindaGuy View Post
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    Back on topic: https://globalnews.ca/news/4727287/e...alling-system/

    We'll see how this goes, hopefully testing won't take too long and the City can either accept Thales' solution or move on. It's dragged on long enough.
    It will be another year or two until they accept or reject.
    And they also said they have a back-up plan for signals if this Thales fix doesn't work...but it won't make things any better. In fact, they said it may make it worse.

    Might as well just stay with what they have if that's the case.
    Source?
    Don’t have it handy but I thought I heard it on the news. Maybe I heard wrong...
    Definitely, there’s no way the operators would be signing off on these stress tests if there was any suspicion that the signally was going to be worse than terrible.

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    What would happen if this new round of testing doesn't work out? What can we learn from this?
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    To hire better engineers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    What would happen if this new round of testing doesn't work out? What can we learn from this?
    This is just my assumption so take it with a grain of salt, but likely the city would consider the contract breached and investigate options that include overhauling the entire signalling system of the capital and metro lines. The city also would have a strong case in court against the contractor so expect years of taxpayer dollars going towards that battle.
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    Metro line is closed this morning due to a malfunction.

    I am so glad I don't take the LRT to work anymore. What an unreliable piece of garbage.

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    What another one? Poor Metro.

    ETS last night was no better. Even my #8 Abbottsfield was slow. The #183 before that was 10 minutes late.

    Weather conditions? My A--
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    Relying on the same people that caused all the problems with transit to fix the problems with transit...hmm, I don’t know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Metro line is closed this morning due to a malfunction.

    I am so glad I don't take the LRT to work anymore. What an unreliable piece of garbage.
    not just about LRT riders. it screwed over everyone trying to get to work/school etc by car. arms were down for 20+ minutes causing a massive traffic jam

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    Might be an issue with the extreme cold as well lately....maybe?
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    The only situation to this problem is the inevitable uprooting of all instrumentation and inadequate wiring and overhauling the capital and metro line with the appropriate at grade software and technology.

    Why someone would try to install a PlayStation 4 operating system on a Commodore 64 platform is beyond me.

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    I think the problem with Metro is this merging both systems together:

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    The problems go beyond the occasional system failures. When the system is working and knows exactly where the trains are and how fast they are going (which is most of the time), it is far too conservative in applying that information. Traffic lights are still being cycled and held for 90 seconds or more before the arrival of the train. Even if the system never failed, this is an unacceptable level of inefficiency that cannot support the higher frequencies that are needed. The system needs to do what a CBTC system is supposed to be capable of and nearly seamlessly integrate train movements with automobile traffic. Lights cycle, gates activate, train passes, gates go back up, lights cycle again, all within 60 seconds.

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    But a CBTC system is only designed for elevated LRT eg (Vancouver) Councilor Mike Nickle seems to be the only one on Council that got this right:

    https://953freshradio.ca/news/390128...ng-big-reveal/

    I'm no expert but perhaps things will improve when portions of Valley become elevated and the CBTC system gets incorporated into Valley. Expect more hic ups if and when Valley/City of Edmonton gets handover and a safety certificate. #What a mess.
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    Valley Line will not be incorporated into the existing Metro/Capital Lines system. Valley Line will not be using CBTC.

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    ^ right out of the box...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium48 View Post
    The problems go beyond the occasional system failures. When the system is working and knows exactly where the trains are and how fast they are going (which is most of the time), it is far too conservative in applying that information. Traffic lights are still being cycled and held for 90 seconds or more before the arrival of the train. Even if the system never failed, this is an unacceptable level of inefficiency that cannot support the higher frequencies that are needed. The system needs to do what a CBTC system is supposed to be capable of and nearly seamlessly integrate train movements with automobile traffic. Lights cycle, gates activate, train passes, gates go back up, lights cycle again, all within 60 seconds.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abruzzi Spur View Post
    Valley Line will not be incorporated into the existing Metro/Capital Lines system. Valley Line will not be using CBTC.
    Even though Valley is Urban/low floor its all part of ETS. TransEd is construction, ETS is signaling. Unless something has changed.
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    Nothing has changed the Valley line and the Metro/Capital line will operate independently. Signalling will be completely different. One lines issues or lack there of will not impact the others. Apples oranges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Abruzzi Spur View Post
    Valley Line will not be incorporated into the existing Metro/Capital Lines system. Valley Line will not be using CBTC.
    Even though Valley is Urban/low floor its all part of ETS. TransEd is construction, ETS is signaling. Unless something has changed.
    That was never the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abruzzi Spur View Post
    Valley Line will not be incorporated into the existing Metro/Capital Lines system. Valley Line will not be using CBTC.
    Isn't it line of sight?

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    Yes it is. It's line of sight with ATP.

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    Metro has been using LOS for quite awhile now. I think ATP is used more for track maintenance crew safety then anything else.
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    Always someone else's fault - never Thales: https://globalnews.ca/news/4957195/m...-issue-thales/

    Says the company that always sees sunshine and roses ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Metro has been using LOS for quite awhile now. I think ATP is used more for track maintenance crew safety then anything else.
    Metro has never used line of sight to my knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Always someone else's fault - never Thales: https://globalnews.ca/news/4957195/m...-issue-thales/

    Says the company that always sees sunshine and roses ....
    They accepted that it was their system. Where'd they say it was someone else's fault ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Metro has been using LOS for quite awhile now. I think ATP is used more for track maintenance crew safety then anything else.
    Negative. Automatic Train Protection is about limiting train speeds, not worker safety.

    You don't really seem to know what you are talking about. Why don't you read more on the vendor's website: https://www.bbr.net/en/turnkey-solut...lic-transport/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abruzzi Spur View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Metro has been using LOS for quite awhile now. I think ATP is used more for track maintenance crew safety then anything else.
    Negative. Automatic Train Protection is about limiting train speeds, not worker safety.

    You don't really seem to know what you are talking about. Why don't you read more on the vendor's website: https://www.bbr.net/en/turnkey-solut...lic-transport/
    envaneo doesn't know what he's talking about MOST of the time. Just put him on your Ignore List like most of us do and move on.
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    Today ol’ Steve-O was getting off the train at Churchill to go for a nice walk downtown. Headed for the stairs, he and a dozen others were the recipients of a preemptive strike when a rambling derelict came down the stairs hot, heavy, and swingin’ at nothing. Through the crowd went the man on his spiritual journey as he yelled at seemingly non existent individuals, swinging at men in Kashmir jackets holding bouquets of flowers who were jumping out of his way as he was coming in hot like Stone Cold Steve Austin when McMahon has the microphone.

    I tell ya, ya gotta love downtown. And I wish that man well as he literally fights those non corporeal entities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Today ol’ Steve-O was getting off the train at Churchill to go for a nice walk downtown. Headed for the stairs, he and a dozen others were the recipients of a preemptive strike when a rambling derelict came down the stairs hot, heavy, and swingin’ at nothing. Through the crowd went the man on his spiritual journey as he yelled at seemingly non existent individuals, swinging at men in Kashmir jackets holding bouquets of flowers who were jumping out of his way as he was coming in hot like Stone Cold Steve Austin when McMahon has the microphone.

    I tell ya, ya gotta love downtown. And I wish that man well as he literally fights those non corporeal entities.
    Great story. A similar incident a couple of years ago in the middle of the afternoon at Corona Station caused Mrs Oilers to finally stop taking the LRT to her work and choose to drive all the time instead.

    After all, she doesn't ever get cornered or harassed all alone by violent drunks/vagrants/mental cases when she drives to work.

    ETS has zero control over the losers who bother and harass LRT patrons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Today ol’ Steve-O was getting off the train at Churchill to go for a nice walk downtown. Headed for the stairs, he and a dozen others were the recipients of a preemptive strike when a rambling derelict came down the stairs hot, heavy, and swingin’ at nothing. Through the crowd went the man on his spiritual journey as he yelled at seemingly non existent individuals, swinging at men in Kashmir jackets holding bouquets of flowers who were jumping out of his way as he was coming in hot like Stone Cold Steve Austin when McMahon has the microphone.

    I tell ya, ya gotta love downtown. And I wish that man well as he literally fights those non corporeal entities.
    Great story. A similar incident a couple of years ago in the middle of the afternoon at Corona Station caused Mrs Oilers to finally stop taking the LRT to her work and choose to drive all the time instead.

    After all, she doesn't ever get cornered or harassed all alone by violent drunks/vagrants/mental cases when she drives to work.

    ETS has zero control over the losers who bother and harass LRT patrons.
    Oh if he had tried any funny business he woulda got a few Valentine’s Day gifts from Sir Macdonald and Mackenzie King let me tell ya.

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    I really think that we need to target fare jumping. Do this and we’ll have less creeps on the trains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Today ol’ Steve-O was getting off the train at Churchill to go for a nice walk downtown. Headed for the stairs, he and a dozen others were the recipients of a preemptive strike when a rambling derelict came down the stairs hot, heavy, and swingin’ at nothing. Through the crowd went the man on his spiritual journey as he yelled at seemingly non existent individuals, swinging at men in Kashmir jackets holding bouquets of flowers who were jumping out of his way as he was coming in hot like Stone Cold Steve Austin when McMahon has the microphone.I tell ya, ya gotta love downtown. And I wish that man well as he literally fights those non corporeal entities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Today ol’ Steve-O was getting off the train at Churchill to go for a nice walk downtown. Headed for the stairs, he and a dozen others were the recipients of a preemptive strike when a rambling derelict came down the stairs hot, heavy, and swingin’ at nothing. Through the crowd went the man on his spiritual journey as he yelled at seemingly non existent individuals, swinging at men in Kashmir jackets holding bouquets of flowers who were jumping out of his way as he was coming in hot like Stone Cold Steve Austin when McMahon has the microphone.

    I tell ya, ya gotta love downtown. And I wish that man well as he literally fights those non corporeal entities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Today ol’ Steve-O was getting off the train at Churchill to go for a nice walk downtown. Headed for the stairs, he and a dozen others were the recipients of a preemptive strike when a rambling derelict came down the stairs hot, heavy, and swingin’ at nothing. Through the crowd went the man on his spiritual journey as he yelled at seemingly non existent individuals, swinging at men in Kashmir jackets holding bouquets of flowers who were jumping out of his way as he was coming in hot like Stone Cold Steve Austin when McMahon has the microphone, and in nineteen ninety eight when the undertaker threw mankind off hell in a cell, and plummeted sixteen feet through an announcer's table
    FTFY...

    oh wait ... this isn't reddit.

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    That’s literally the bottom line baby.

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