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    Default Downtown Edmonton pulses to the beat of a vibrant nightlife

    Journal Insight articles:

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/enter...594/story.html

    EDMONTON — Move over, Old Strathcona — downtown is quickly becoming Edmonton’s hottest entertainment destination.

    Nine new late-night bars, clubs and pubs (or 3,000 seats) popped up along Jasper Avenue and area between 2007 and 2011 — with more opening in the weeks to come.

    Which means competition for customers across the city is heating up, says Jesse James Kupina, who co-owns two of the city’s biggest dance clubs, Union Hall and The Ranch Roadhouse.

    “All I can do is keep my eye on the competition and play the best game possible,” Kupina says. “Edmonton people can’t be fooled. You can’t lie to them or fake them out or roll paint over your wood then call yourself a new name. We have a discerning customer in the city and that keeps you honest.”

    How much money do these nightspots contribute to the city’s economy? We’ll soon find out. A report by Responsible Hospitality Edmonton, an initiative launched by the City of Edmonton, will be released Thursday, June 21. Officials won’t leak any numbers, but expect something in the hundreds of millions.
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    Pubs trump clubs in Edmonton’s shifting nightlife scene

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/enter...596/story.html

    Jasper Avenue, particularly east of 109th Street, used to be a dead zone after 6 p.m., without even a Tim Hortons in which to seek refuge. Between 2007 and 2011, the downtown corridor has welcomed nine new pubs, lounges, bars and — to a lesser extent — nightclubs, mirroring a citywide shift from huge boom-boom rooms to smaller, multi-purpose watering holes.

    That’s an increase of 3,066 “late-night seats” — referring to the capacity of establishments open after midnight — along Jasper Avenue (including 100th to 104th Avenues). As of 2011, there were 10,359 late-night seats in the area, according to Responsible Hospitality Edmonton, which surveys the city’s nightlife. Whyte Avenue/Old Strathcona has 10,412 late-night seats while West Edmonton Mall has 8,048.

    City officials say downtown’s nightlife is only going to get busier, what with the opening of three more spots in the next few months and the eventual construction of the Oilers’ new arena on 104th Avenue.
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    Interactive map of Whyte Ave and downtown nightspots
    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/enter...149/story.html
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    Lots of negative nannies in the Journal comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66 View Post
    Lots of negative nannies in the Journal comments.
    DAFUQ did I just read and why did I punish myself by reading it?

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    Our good ol' friend Paul Vickers is talking out of his arse again:
    Paul Vickers, who was baptized in Edmonton’s nightlife in the ’90s, and early in the new century, echoes those sentiments. He owned several clubs (Club Malibu, Cowboys, The Drink), then opened two Ceili’s Irish Pubs before pulling up stakes. He now lives in Calgary, where he runs several restaurants and clubs. (He’s about to open an entertainment complex, Cowboys Casino, near the Saddledome.) Vickers says his Calgary properties are much more profitable than his former northern holdings ever were. Cowtown’s looser wallets are one of the reasons, but he says his experience in Edmonton also helped hone his business acumen.

    “In Edmonton, you have to be really competitive,” he says. “Some guys want to book a function at a venue in Edmonton and they’ll ask, ‘How many free drinks do I get? What’s the deal? Give me a discount.’ In Calgary, they ask, ‘Can you get me in? We don’t want any discounts, we just want to get in.’ ”
    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/enter...596/story.html
    So says the man who made his fortune from pushing 3 for 1 watered-down highballs.

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    Just playing to his current audience.
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    I think it's great to see more pubs and restaurants opening up downtown. It shows that downtown is on its way back, especially if the arena takes off. I think it would also be great to see other
    businesses open late, like some of the stores and having the food
    trucks. The bars should also keep in mind that more people will be
    living downtown. Finally, it would also be great to have nighttime LRT and transit service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66 View Post
    Lots of negative nannies in the Journal comments.
    And in other news, the sun rose this morning
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    I really hope downtown starts to develop a 'pub culture' where people go for a pint after work with colleagues and friends similar to that of many European cities.
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    ^ I am ok with that!
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    New upscale 'club' opening next week called the "Marquee Sound and Beverage Room" at the old downtown Overtime building (111st 104Ave). Think it will last?

    http://marqueemansion.com/

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    Group effort keeps nightlife crime in check
    Police, bar owners, residents, city staff work to make Edmonton’s entertainment districts safe
    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/enter...726/story.html
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    Kinda hope we will see some more 25" couples oriented clups-pubs-eateries west of 112
    BTW Mr Vickers has paid for a lot of non industrial silicon in this province
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    The Underground Tap & Grill - 72 beers on tap!
    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...-with-72-taps/
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    Excellent.

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    Charlie Flint and Full Moon are Alley Kat beers
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    That they are, not sure why I thought they were ambers.
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    They're also carrying this Innis beer on tap that some of you are so fond of
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    One of the articles mentions 3 new places opening up in the downtown area soon. From this thread, you can count Marquee, Underground Tap & Grill and the third being??

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    Mercer Tavern is my guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Mercer Tavern is my guess
    Has anyone tried this place yet?
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    facebook.com/BrothersGrimMusic

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    It's not open yet.

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    A week or so and it's going to be awesome.
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    A pity these articles missed Brittanys
    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...ad.php?t=22458
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    Technically Brittany's is not downtown. Middle of the road west is.
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    Went to Brittany's last night, I'll be going back. Cool vibe to the place.

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    ^^ The "technically downtown" argument is lame given that the article focused on bars in both downtown proper and Oliver district (which incidently missed listing Canadian Brewhouse and Hudsons on its map)
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    Warehouse Rocks! It has a lounge/pub during the week and early evenings then turns into a club after 11 best of both worlds!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Technically Brittany's is not downtown. Middle of the road west is.
    Did you actually say Brittany's is "NOT downtown"!!!????!!!!

    Sorry to yell but this type of attitude makes me livid... Ian, it definitely surprises me to hear this from you!! Such "support" of an independent business taking a gigantic risk and believing (apparently falsely) that this city wants to support local independent entrepreneurs (thinking outside the OCG, Century Group, 'chain' mentality) & the reclamation and rejuvenation of the east end of downtown is disappointingly looking more and more like lip-service when confronted with attitudes like this.

    You have a voice Ian...one that people follow and value/await your input/opinion regarding most things going on ...we all know that.

    I invited you to the lounge when we ran into each other at the I <3 YEG event. We had met a few years earlier when I spoke to city council regarding the urgency and need to historically designate the Kelly Ramsey bldg. I was the only business owner that had been affected and displaced to give two seconds of thought to that bldg post-fire... I actually viewed the space I am now in on that very same day.

    Having various C2E members ask and show interest in seeing me come back was something that made me try to look on the bright side of things through the 3 years it took for me to eventually relocate and reopen.

    I was so happy to announce (on this board in particular) that I had not been defeated, did not give up, still believed in this city and it's people, was excited to be a part of what will happen in The Quarters....also known as part of downtown!

    Too be ignored is frustrating... To be met with this attitude about 97st from the journal was disheartening...from you..? such a "man in the know"... is maddening!

    Let me clear things up for you Ian & everyone else reading this.... Where I am IS Downtown..... West of 109st (yes including Oliver *gasp!*) is not..I repeat NOT downtown

    Downtown Edmonton
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    Coordinates: 53°32′25″N 113°29′54″W
    Downtown Edmonton is bounded by 109 Street to the west, 105 Avenue to the north, 97 Street to the east, 97 Avenue, 100 Avenue, and Rossdale Road to the south and Jasper Avenue to the southeast (the downtown core), though many people consider part or all of the surrounding neighbourhoods to be part of downtown. The downtown core is bordered by the neighbourhoods of Oliver to the west, Queen Mary Park to the northwest, Central McDougall to the North, McCauley to the northeast, Boyle Street (Jasper-East) to the east, Riverdale to the east and southeast, and Rossdale to the south. Within the downtown core are five districts: the Commercial Core, Government Centre, Warehouse District, McKay Avenue and Rice Howard Way. Sometimes the Northedge (part of Queen Mary Park) is referred to as part as downtown, as is Oliver.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    A pity these articles missed Brittanys
    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...ad.php?t=22458
    Quote Originally Posted by lat View Post
    Went to Brittany's last night, I'll be going back. Cool vibe to the place.
    Thank you both! Pleasure meeting you lat I look forward to seeing you again and appreciate your support

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    Downtown is specific and vague at the same time. Brittany's is technically located in the Quarters, but as what is commonly known as downtown, downtown it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by psiebold1 View Post
    Downtown is specific and vague at the same time. Brittany's is technically located in the Quarters, but as what is commonly known as downtown, downtown it is.
    Agreed. No idea what Ian was suggesting there. Edmonton should be promoting the thought of downtown also being 97st, and even east of 97st and not shutting it out of the equation.
    I applaud brave new businesses opening up and making something better out of areas that have struggled. This should be encouraged.

    Its ridiculous not to consider 97st as party of the downtown. Army and Navy, Old Farmers market, WW Arcade, couthouse, Canada Place, Shaw conference Center etc, were always considered downtown. What is this weird notion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by britthal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Technically Brittany's is not downtown. Middle of the road west is.
    Did you actually say Brittany's is "NOT downtown"!!!????!!!!

    Sorry to yell but this type of attitude makes me livid... Ian, it definitely surprises me to hear this from you!! Such "support" of an independent business taking a gigantic risk and believing (apparently falsely) that this city wants to support local independent entrepreneurs (thinking outside the OCG, Century Group, 'chain' mentality) & the reclamation and rejuvenation of the east end of downtown is disappointingly looking more and more like lip-service when confronted with attitudes like this.

    You have a voice Ian...one that people follow and value/await your input/opinion regarding most things going on ...we all know that.

    I invited you to the lounge when we ran into each other at the I <3 YEG event. We had met a few years earlier when I spoke to city council regarding the urgency and need to historically designate the Kelly Ramsey bldg. I was the only business owner that had been affected and displaced to give two seconds of thought to that bldg post-fire... I actually viewed the space I am now in on that very same day.

    Having various C2E members ask and show interest in seeing me come back was something that made me try to look on the bright side of things through the 3 years it took for me to eventually relocate and reopen.

    I was so happy to announce (on this board in particular) that I had not been defeated, did not give up, still believed in this city and it's people, was excited to be a part of what will happen in The Quarters....also known as part of downtown!

    Too be ignored is frustrating... To be met with this attitude about 97st from the journal was disheartening...from you..? such a "man in the know"... is maddening!

    Let me clear things up for you Ian & everyone else reading this.... Where I am IS Downtown..... West of 109st (yes including Oliver *gasp!*) is not..I repeat NOT downtown

    Downtown Edmonton
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Coordinates: 53°32′25″N 113°29′54″W
    Downtown Edmonton is bounded by 109 Street to the west, 105 Avenue to the north, 97 Street to the east, 97 Avenue, 100 Avenue, and Rossdale Road to the south and Jasper Avenue to the southeast (the downtown core), though many people consider part or all of the surrounding neighbourhoods to be part of downtown. The downtown core is bordered by the neighbourhoods of Oliver to the west, Queen Mary Park to the northwest, Central McDougall to the North, McCauley to the northeast, Boyle Street (Jasper-East) to the east, Riverdale to the east and southeast, and Rossdale to the south. Within the downtown core are five districts: the Commercial Core, Government Centre, Warehouse District, McKay Avenue and Rice Howard Way. Sometimes the Northedge (part of Queen Mary Park) is referred to as part as downtown, as is Oliver.


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    Too hard to give the proper reply on iPad keyboard, will do tomorrow, but nothing of what I typed was meant to ignite that kind of response. I can't wait to stop by, admire your perseverance and wish it had been included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by britthal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Technically Brittany's is not downtown. Middle of the road west is.
    Did you actually say Brittany's is "NOT downtown"!!!????!!!!

    Sorry to yell but this type of attitude makes me livid... Ian, it definitely surprises me to hear this from you!! Such "support" of an independent business taking a gigantic risk and believing (apparently falsely) that this city wants to support local independent entrepreneurs (thinking outside the OCG, Century Group, 'chain' mentality) & the reclamation and rejuvenation of the east end of downtown is disappointingly looking more and more like lip-service when confronted with attitudes like this.

    You have a voice Ian...one that people follow and value/await your input/opinion regarding most things going on ...we all know that.

    I invited you to the lounge when we ran into each other at the I <3 YEG event. We had met a few years earlier when I spoke to city council regarding the urgency and need to historically designate the Kelly Ramsey bldg. I was the only business owner that had been affected and displaced to give two seconds of thought to that bldg post-fire... I actually viewed the space I am now in on that very same day.

    Having various C2E members ask and show interest in seeing me come back was something that made me try to look on the bright side of things through the 3 years it took for me to eventually relocate and reopen.

    I was so happy to announce (on this board in particular) that I had not been defeated, did not give up, still believed in this city and it's people, was excited to be a part of what will happen in The Quarters....also known as part of downtown!

    Too be ignored is frustrating... To be met with this attitude about 97st from the journal was disheartening...from you..? such a "man in the know"... is maddening!

    Let me clear things up for you Ian & everyone else reading this.... Where I am IS Downtown..... West of 109st (yes including Oliver *gasp!*) is not..I repeat NOT downtown

    Downtown Edmonton
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Coordinates: 53°32′25″N 113°29′54″W
    Downtown Edmonton is bounded by 109 Street to the west, 105 Avenue to the north, 97 Street to the east, 97 Avenue, 100 Avenue, and Rossdale Road to the south and Jasper Avenue to the southeast (the downtown core), though many people consider part or all of the surrounding neighbourhoods to be part of downtown. The downtown core is bordered by the neighbourhoods of Oliver to the west, Queen Mary Park to the northwest, Central McDougall to the North, McCauley to the northeast, Boyle Street (Jasper-East) to the east, Riverdale to the east and southeast, and Rossdale to the south. Within the downtown core are five districts: the Commercial Core, Government Centre, Warehouse District, McKay Avenue and Rice Howard Way. Sometimes the Northedge (part of Queen Mary Park) is referred to as part as downtown, as is Oliver.


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    Too hard to give the proper reply on iPad keyboard, will do tomorrow, but nothing of what I typed was meant to ignite that kind of response. I can't wait to stop by, admire your perseverance and wish it had been included.
    Ian
    The intent may not have been there, but I was saddened by your statement. It sounded like something a city bureaucrat would say, while peering at you over their reading glasses from behind a high counter...

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    Bars, clubs, music venues add $687M to city economy

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/enter...026/story.html

    Edmonton's bars, clubs, casinos, pubs and music venues contributed almost $687 million to the city's economy in 2010, according to a new report.

    The city's 235 late-night establishments (those open later than midnight) had more than 20.6 million visitors that year. The economic impact assessment, the first of its kind for the City of Edmonton, will be presented to city council's executive committee on June 27.

    The report aims to shed light on the importance of the late-night entertainment sector and shape the city's policies on public transportation and services.

    "The role of the nighttime economy is really quite significant, not just in terms of providing colour and vibrancy to the community," says John Rose, chief economist for the City of Edmonton.

    "We can't take it for granted, or worse yet consider it some sort of negative.

    "People tend to only see a bunch of bars - and sometimes they're noisy - but they don't really understand that this sector is important to providing people with employment opportunities, supports the music sector and episodic activities like the Fringe Festival."
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    Marquee is now open in the old Overtime space:
    http://marqueemansion.com/
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    XO Club had a huge lineup when I went by so didn't bother. Mostly well-dressed people, did not see a ballcap among them. So might check it out sometime.

    Hundred - Another drive-by, didn't go in. This had a lit-up entrance with EDM pumped loudly out of it. Does this turn into a dance club on weekend nights?

    It is nice to see Hundred, Woodwork, Underground, Sherlock, Craft and XO generate some nightlife in this area of downtown. Just need something nice to open in the Moriarty space.
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    After doing the Taste of Edmonton (which wasn't as busy as other nights) went for a walk around downtown on a gorgeous summer night to take in the nightlife. Didn't go into any places, just scouting around to see what places were alive or dying since I haven't hit up any bars in a while. Besides, I didn't feel I was appropriately dressed for many of these places.

    Board N Brew Cafe looked busy, which I am glad.
    Rice Howard Way was hopping.
    State & Main patio was full, not so much the inside.
    Bricco looked a bit quiet while Corso 32 and Uccellino were both doing good business.
    Icehouse, Needle, 1905 and Red Star were all rockin' - love how that area of Jasper Ave has come to life!
    Knoxvilles was busy as always, still drawing a younger crowd.
    Blvd - their patio looked busy at a glance but I was across the street so couldn't really see properly.
    Avenue was so-so.
    Hudsons looked jam-packed as usual.
    Central Social Hall was buzzing! I've only gone in after work, so I will have to check it out next weekend night.
    Cactus Club was full and the bar section taped off.
    Local probably had more people on the patio than inside its bland interior.
    Gas Pump - the clientele was, to quote the current POTUS, "Sad!"
    Urban Tavern's new patios look nice but the place itself didn't look very busy.
    Society (next to Husky gas) - it's always hard to tell if that place is busy or dead. That was the scene of that multiple shooting a few weeks ago so I think I'll stay away.
    Chic Hog O's was completely devoid of life.
    Circus (former Woodys/Buddys) was all dark with For Lease signs. So is Evolution the only gay bar that is now remaining?
    On The Rocks looked quite busy though there were was no big lineups as per its heyday.
    Earls Tin Palace looked not bad. I haven't stepped into an Earls in years.
    Clementine was very full, been wanting to check it out for a while now.
    BRU was quiet.
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    Sunday's usually aren't as busy at Hudson's and the Pint, but yesterday both had a moderate crow following the Bruno Mars concert. I expect 104th st would have been busy too. There was also a lineup of cars on 109th heading towards the High Level at 11:15 when I got off work, so I Whyte Ave was likely hopping as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Circus (former Woodys/Buddys) was all dark with For Lease signs. So is Evolution the only gay bar that is now remaining?

    Top_Dawg seems to recall hearing that the owner of Mama's Gin Joint was selling the business to one of her employees.

    Deal must have fell through.

    And yeah, Top_Dawg expects the C2E cornholio contingent to be out in full force at Evolution on Thursday night for the Gaga after party.

    No doubt the flamers will be twerkin' and jerkin' til dawn.

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