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    Default New express bus route between transit centres?

    What are people's thoughts on an peak hour super express bus (similar to the 100 that runs between downtown and WEM) that runs between the transit stations around town?

    My thoughts are something along the lines of this;

    Abbotsfield - Belvedere - Clareview - Northgate - Eaux Claire - Castledowns - Kingsway - Westmount - Jasper Place - Lewis Farms - WEM - Meadowlark - South Campus - Southgate - Leger - Century Park - Millgate - Lakewood - Millwoods - Meadows - Capilano - Abbotsfield.

    Stops would only be at major points of interest between two transit centres (like say Londonderry Mall between Clareview and Northgate).

    Of course if we wanted the route to be really fast, you could eliminate some of the LRT stations (say Southgate and Clareview or something like that). All it would take would be a dozen buses or so running during rush hour and you'd have fast, reliable transit between major ETS stations, allowing even better coverage of the city.

    What do you think?

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    Im for it.
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    I like the idea of buses going from terminal to terminal. Like the LRT, we could have grid routes (e.g. Abbottsfield-Coliseum-(97 Street/118 Avenue)-NAIT LRT-Westmount
    Mill Woods-Lakewood-Century Park-Leger) where commuters could transfer onto the LRT or at major intersections like Whyte Avenue/83 Street.
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    I would imagine a route, call it the 109, that would basically follow the 9 except it would on;ly stop at transit centres and a couple of places downtown, Whyte ave, etc.

    Another could be Abbotsfield, Coliseum, NAIT, Westmount, JP, WEM

    Wem - Leger - CP - Mill Woods

    There actually should be express bus routes following the planned LRT routes to get people used to the routing. Of course some changes would have to be made (Argyll rd, etc)

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    Here's an old spider map (2010), courtesy of Lightrail:

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    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...ad.php?t=16516
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    And an updated one:

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    We need more of these until the LRT is fully expaded

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    I would imagine a route, call it the 109, that would basically follow the 9 except it would only stop at transit centres and a couple of places downtown, Whyte ave, etc.

    Edmonton transit calls it route 15 :http://webdocs.edmonton.ca/transit/r...ture/RT015.pdf

    except it follows route 9 in the north and route 8 in the south.

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    Then it's not really the same thing, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Then it's not really the same thing, is it?

    South of downtown it's called the LRT.

    Are you proposing a new bus route to avoid a transfer to the LRT?

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    There seems to be too much overlaping and adding of express routes to places that people have very little reason to go from their original location to that location. Also it's a bit hard to picture as some routes it doesn't show all the stop, ex. 82, I'm guessing it has a couple stops at least otherwise it's an express that goes to between two places that most likely very few people have to go between. And just to knit pick even further on that section, why Mill Woods to Capilano, why not meadows to Capilano.

    The over all idea is a decent one but the is needs to be way more detail for
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Then it's not really the same thing, is it?

    South of downtown it's called the LRT.

    Are you proposing a new bus route to avoid a transfer to the LRT?
    The 109 would run down 109th street, not follow the tracks. With stops at Whyte, 76th and Southgate. One stop downtown, 107th ave, 111, 118, 129 or 132, Nothgate, Eau Clares and perhaps Castledowns. The only place it would follow the LRT id from Southgate to 63rd ave and that's only because 109th street switches over to 111th for a few blocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    There seems to be too much overlaping and adding of express routes to places that people have very little reason to go from their original location to that location. Also it's a bit hard to picture as some routes it doesn't show all the stop, ex. 82, I'm guessing it has a couple stops at least otherwise it's an express that goes to between two places that most likely very few people have to go between. And just to knit pick even further on that section, why Mill Woods to Capilano, why not meadows to Capilano.

    The over all idea is a decent one but the is needs to be way more detail for
    You could run Capilano-Meadows-Mill Woods-Century Park-Leger

    http://goo.gl/maps/1w70

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kjh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Then it's not really the same thing, is it?

    South of downtown it's called the LRT.

    Are you proposing a new bus route to avoid a transfer to the LRT?
    The 109 would run down 109th street, not follow the tracks. With stops at Whyte, 76th and Southgate. One stop downtown, 107th ave, 111, 118, 129 or 132, Nothgate, Eau Clares and perhaps Castledowns. The only place it would follow the LRT id from Southgate to 63rd ave and that's only because 109th street switches over to 111th for a few blocks.


    A new bus route to add express stops to the west end of whyte and 76th ave along 109th street. A street that already has a bus only lane and is therefore pretty fast.

    Not with tax dollars please.

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    I think it would also be great to see transfer/timing points at 109/Whyte and 50 Street/Whitemud.

    With AHD NW open, a route from St. Albert to Eaux Claires might make sense, particularly with the traffic to Edmonton Garrison.
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    Does anybody know if the St. Albert park and ride is under construction? This could be another hub for the transit network, connecting with NAIT, downtown, Westmount, WEM and Eaux Claires.

    I'd also like to see additional Sherwood Park-Edmonton routes:

    (1) Sherwood Park-Meadowbrook-50 Street-75 Street-Southgate-WEM

    (2) Sherwood Park-Century Park-Airport
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    There seems to be too much overlaping and adding of express routes to places that people have very little reason to go from their original location to that location. Also it's a bit hard to picture as some routes it doesn't show all the stop, ex. 82, I'm guessing it has a couple stops at least otherwise it's an express that goes to between two places that most likely very few people have to go between. And just to knit pick even further on that section, why Mill Woods to Capilano, why not meadows to Capilano.

    The over all idea is a decent one but the is needs to be way more detail for
    If you are talking about my original post, I did suggest Meadows to Capilano. If not, my apologies in advance.

    I envision the overall route as allowing a temporary solution UNTIL the LRT network is built out more to allow faster and more efficient transportation from one part of the city to another. It strikes me as highly inefficient to have to go to downtown to get to WEM from the north end - there are some similar problems on the southside (where you have to travel north to get to somewhere else on the southside).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    And an updated one:

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    This was fun to draw, but it is out of date now. New connections with the 137 and to Leduc and the Airport are missing. If I can find the original file, I'll update it.
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    Is there a new transit centre at Lewis Estates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Is there a new transit centre at Lewis Estates?
    Yep. This was the announcement of the opening:

    http://www.edmonton.ca/city_governme...lly-opens.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightrail View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    And an updated one:

    This was fun to draw, but it is out of date now. New connections with the 137 and to Leduc and the Airport are missing. If I can find the original file, I'll update it.[/QUOTE]

    Here are some travel times I calculated:

    Leger to:

    Century Park - 13 Min
    South Campus - 27 Min
    Southgate - 24 Min

    Century Park to:

    Southgate - 7 Min
    Lakewood - 20 Min
    Mill Woods TC - 24 Min

    Lakewood to:

    Millgate - 9 min
    Downtown - 40 min
    Mill Woods TC - 5 min

    Millwoods to:

    Meadows - 18 min
    Bonnie Doon - 26 min
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    Southgate to:

    South Campus - 4 min
    West Edmonton Mall - 28 min
    Millgate - 12 min
    Bonnie Doon - 28 min
    Downtown - 23 min (#9), 18 min (LRT)

    Millgate to:

    Downtown - 23 min
    Bonnie Doon - 13 min
    Capilano - 34 min
    Meadows - 13 min

    South Campus to:

    WEM - 21 min
    University - 7 min

    University to:

    Central Station - 10 min
    Bonnie Doon - 22 min
    Westmount - 11 min

    Bonnie Doon to:

    Downtown - 10 min
    Sherwood Park - 10 min
    Capilano - 16 min

    Capilano to:

    Downtown - 10 min
    Coliseum - 8 min
    Baseline - 12 min
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    West Edmonton Mall to:

    Lewis Farms - 8 min
    Meadowlark - 7 min
    Jasper Place - 15 min
    Downtown (100) - 27 min
    St. Albert - 24 min

    Meadowlark to:

    Jasper Place - 7 min
    Downtown - 18 (100)
    South Campus - 19 min

    Jasper Place to:

    Downtown (1) - 28 min
    Westmount - 13 min
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    Downtown to:

    Westmount - 26 min
    Kingsway - 13 min
    Northgate - 27 min
    Stadium - 6 min
    St. Albert - 39 min
    Clareview - 13 min

    Westmount to:

    Kingsway - 13 min
    Castle Downs - 27 min
    Northgate - 30 min
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    Kingsway to:

    Northgate - 18 min
    Coliseum - 12 min
    Stadium - 6 min

    Stadium to:

    Coliseum - 2 min

    Coliseum to:

    Belvedere - 3 min
    Abbottsfield - 15 min
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    As cost effective as brt can be we have bigger fish to fry.
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    EDP, I agree that BRT shouldn't be top priority, but I think with the expanding LRT network, there are opportunities for more crosstown routes.
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    BRT that takes a lot of capital investment is not what we need. What we do need are:
    better frequent routes linking major nodes and for fast crosstown trips that will never see LRT, and

    Frequent express buses, with some signal priority on planned LRT routes, to show the route's viability and to build ridership. The #8 is a reasonable approximation of the SE line, but there should be a fast bus on the route of west line hitting only the LRT stops and departing at LRT like frequency (5 minutes).

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    I think it would be great to see big data available for ridership numbers on Edmonton bus routes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I think it would be great to see big data available for ridership numbers on Edmonton bus routes.
    This document has some interesting analysis. Not a complete data set though.
    http://www.docdroid.net/9lu1/2939920...34655.pdf.html

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    Some good concepts. The LRT to NAIT will save about 10 minutes on a trip to Kingsway or NAIT. I'm not advocating for full-scale Bus Rapid Transit; however I think that some connections can be strengthened. For example, I'd like to see priority bus signals on Whyte Avenue, or the 133 bus from South Campus to WEM every 15 minutes.
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    Whyte ave, the WLRT route, 97st North, 118 avenue should have LRT-like frequency and be freed from the current timed-transfer regime.

    Whyte ave is on place where physical improvements are justified: in addition to signal priority the sidewalk at bus stops should be extended through the parking lane and the buses shouldn't have to pull over. This would: improve pedestrian space, speed bus travel slightly and make the ride more smooth an comfortable.
    Maybe when digital fare media is adopted we can have all-door boarding on routes like this too, and speed service some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lightrail View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    And an updated one:

    This was fun to draw, but it is out of date now. New connections with the 137 and to Leduc and the Airport are missing. If I can find the original file, I'll update it.
    [/QUOTE]

    Lightrail worked hard on this map a few years ago. I think Edmonton and Area could come up with a wicked transit system map if there was an intercity transit map.
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    I wonder how soon the St. Albert Trail/AHD transit centre/park and ride will be built. I think there could be express routes to NAIT and Downtown (StAT), and connections to Lewis Farms and Eaux Claires.
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