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    Do people not like them their outlets and drive-thrus?
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    hyuk hyuk hyuk them their

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    Keep the insults to private messages boys.

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    I have friends down in the states that will drive 1.5 hours to go to the "really good" outlet mall.
    What Ian is saying is correct even if you don't like the way he said it. I have always lemented the lack of outlet stores here. PS 85 outlet stores in one place is not small. In my experience most of the outlet centers ( in places that are not tourist traps) have about 1/3 of that number.

    I for one, and maybe Ian too, will take the bus there.
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    If I was waiting for someone at the airport, i'd be tempted to wait in there.
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    Tempted as if it's something the devil put before you?

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    Not to mention the good folks from Lloydminster, Vegreville, Lac La Biche et al, who would likely stop by on their way home from a business trip or vacation.

    Clever and more revenue for the ERAA
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    ^ Fort Mcmoney and yellowknife will be large draws as well.
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    ^ More and more direct flights to/from Fort McMoney to Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary and Montreal these days. Less people connecting through Edmonton. Fort McMoney becomes less and less of a draw at our regional airport.

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    'regional airport'

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    Would them their national be a better word? hyuk hyuk hyuk

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    I am curious is the 350,000 square feet does or does not include the common areas? If so that does seem kind of small, considering that according to wikipedia Southgate is 940,000 square feet. I guess there is always room for expansion. But at less than half the size of Southgate it may be tough to draw people out there.

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    My only concern is congestion and traffic. I would really hate to see more traffic lights between QE2 and the terminal. EIA passengers shouldn't be missing their flights because every man and his dog are clogging up the road to get to Wal-Mart.
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    And how many outlet malls are in Fort MCMarray?

    I am not talking about flights Med... I am talking about attracting money. I have many people up north that come to Edmonton and fill entire truck beds with groceries and shopping. I had clients that would come to me every year and spend a couple grand on toys for the year and have it shipped up to the NWT.

    There is an opportunity here for fly in shop and fly out packages.
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    The thing is- this wont attract anyone new. Re-distribution of shopping dollars, sure. But anyone who needs to come to Edmonton for shopping already is coming to Edmonton. Hyuk Hyuk Joe McTruck from Lac La Biche or Johanne LeGunRack from Peace River is still going to come to Edmonton, regardless of an outlet mall or not.

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    ^ not true... the province is growing at record rates... this will attract new dollars and keep the ones that are currently coming. It's a smart move, it's wonderfully located for a lot of central Alberta communities and allows for some interesting opportunities in Northern BC, AB, Sask and the NWT and Yukon.
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    I don't know how many will fly in & out just to shop, but you'll get a lot of people from smaller centres that will come once or twice a year and do their "big" shopping trip... We used to do that when I was a kid.. our summer holiday usually coincided with stop to pick up school clothes and other stuff that was not available in our small town

    Just look at the parking lot at IKEA on any given day. Half the vehicles have Sask. plates on them

    Medwards is correct though.. it's just more options for folks who were coming to the region to shop anyways.

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    EIA if you are reading this... Please tel;l me that this area includes a better set up for CAR RENTALS!!! the current set up is HORRID!!
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    Yes, the province is growing at record (alarming actually) rates again. Agreed.

    However, new or long term resident Joe McTruck still needs stuff, and we are still the shopping destination for central and northern alberta, regardless if there is another outlet mall here or not. However, he now has another place to spend his money, but his money would be spend here one way or another. Less money for Manning crossing, or South Edmonton Common, more for outlet mall next to Leduc/Nisku/Leduc County.

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    Maybe not a huge factor, but with the Henday there are folks who maybe don't go to South Common anymore on their way home - but would stop at an outlet store at EIA.

    Depending on price, might also cause some sunseekers to not shop at the outlet mall in Palm Springs 'cause they can get it at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 240GLT View Post
    I don't know how many will fly in & out just to shop, but you'll get a lot of people from smaller centres that will come once or twice a year and do their "big" shopping trip... We used to do that when I was a kid.. our summer holiday usually coincided with stop to pick up school clothes and other stuff that was not available in our small town

    Just look at the parking lot at IKEA on any given day. Half the vehicles have Sask. plates on them
    Drive or Fly it's all positive, but also explains why 60% of accidents are caused or involved people not from Edmonton as a side note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    PS 85 outlet stores in one place is not small. In my experience most of the outlet centers ( in places that are not tourist traps) have about 1/3 of that number.
    I disagree and I am echoing the same sentiment as Vincent; at 85 stores and 300,000sqft , this place is rather small. In terms of lease space, it is 1/3 of cross iron mills and it goes to follow that the no. of stores is about 1/3 of cross iron's selection of stores.
    The draw of cross iron is the selection. I have friends/family/coworkers that will make the drive down to Calgary just to go to cross iron. Someone else has expressed hope that Red Deer residents will make the drive up to the EIA mall; but why come here when the selection is less.

    While cross iron is truly massive, i feel something closer to 500,000 sqft would serve a better purpose. Perhaps even a second floor in some areas.

    If anything, this is for EIA to become a hub for entertainment and shopping for the surrounding area. With the 41st interchange completing about the same time, this mall will easily draw Callaghan/Allard, South ellerslie and Beaumont residents on the weekend.

    Add in a nice cineplex theatre, large food court, and you'll be attracting the rest of the capital region more regularly. But unless you have the capactiy for a wide range of stores, you're not going to attract any of our southern neighbours to come up.

    Also I'm trying to find the traffic impact assessment this will have on QEII...that interchange is definitely unable to handle the influx in traffic of a full build out.

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    Anyone wondering why an International Airport is leasing out their land for retail? Revenue. That's all this is. They need a money maker...

    Why does the airport need non-airport related retail revenue? Perhaps a multi-billion dollar expansion that isn't attracting the growth+new routes they said and thought it would? Falling short by already a million pax a year?...

    That's whats in this pudding.

    Airports expansion isn't bringing in the routes/passengers they all claimed it would, and something will need to pay the bills created by this large large expansion.

    EIA is bleeding cash.

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    ^ Quality over quantity.

    My Friends in Detroit, and many others, regularly drove 1.5 hours to hit the "High End" outlet center. It didn't have amazing stores but instead had the only outlet store of that nature in the state.

    There is more than one way to skin a cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Anyone wondering why an International Airport is leasing out their land for retail? Revenue. That's all this is. They need a money maker...

    Why does the airport need non-airport related retail revenue? Perhaps a multi-billion dollar expansion that isn't attracting the growth+new routes they said and thought it would? Falling short by already a million pax a year?...

    That's whats in this pudding.

    Airports expansion isn't bringing in the routes/passengers they all claimed it would, and something will need to pay the bills created by this large large expansion.

    EIA is bleeding cash.
    Great statement.. now prove it.

    Every Major airport has business parks attached to it. This is making the most out of what we have.... not some dooms day, chicken little, unfounded, tin foil hat prediction.

    Do you think A rate lenders loan money to people who are BLEEDING cash...
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    prove it? Their short on the passenger goals, and have a near 2 billion dollar expansion that isn't bringing in new passengers or flights any where nearly as quickly as they forecasted.

    Someone has to pay those bills.

    (EDP - your whole position on this is puzzling at best... In all other threads, you are "Mr Anti Sprawl" but on this thread, and the annexation thread, you're all "I love sprawl, this is so great for Edmonton")

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    ^ I have to add one thing and I will do it in a separate post because it pertains to us all... what Medwards has said is a great example of how we ALL i repeat ALL OF US undercut Edmonton.
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    please elaborate. If you don't like a realistic opinion... just say so. I'm not undercutting anyone.

    Fact: The EIA set lofty goals for their expansion to bring in XX number of passengers by year XX. Half way to year XX, the growth hasn't occurred any where near what they set their goals for.
    Fact: Expansion cost over 1.1 Billion dollars (though I've heard the real number is closer to 2 B)
    Fact: 1.1 Billion dollars was not gifted to the EIA. They need to repay that mortgage some how... and they are not getting the gated revenue they anticipated.

    Ergo: Lets create an outlet mall retail revenue generator that has nothing to do with an airport. Yay!! Money maker. This is a revenue maker for EIA in a sea of red ink.
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    It's an Airport... my beliefs on residential housing does not pertain to the airport. I have been in numerous airports in North America. I see, in this development, exactly what I see in most major airport centers.

    This just makes sense. If you are going to build an auto centric development do it alongside a transportation hub that also is very auto centric. next to a cagro center, making use of infrastructure that exists or we know that is needed (Hiway 2 and overpasses)

    I am passionate about the city... this is not the city. Different rules and thinking apply.

    If this was going on the Molson Lands..... I would have a fit and likely chain myself to something in protest.
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    Great that you have the opinion.... but it doesn't change the reason EIA is doing this.

    They are doing this as a money maker for the airport that is losing money hand-over-fist.

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    The EIA is located along Hiway 2, huge traffic, lots of people, people often waiting for things with little to do and EIA has the land.

    So it has the traffic, the location and the exposure and people make up stories that counteract the fact that this "just makes sense"

    again... "They are doing this as a money maker for the airport that is losing money hand-over-fist."

    Prove it. (I am not discounting your position or saying it's not possible. It's simply unfounded)

    addition. Even if the new terminal is not yet paying for itself it doesn't make this move a poor one or one that isn't needed. Lets remember this outlet mall is only one little part of this development. Lets get the Auot rental places closer to the airport (and out of the dump that is nisku) Lets get some office/commercial on site. Lets build up our Airport.
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    You sure you two aren't married, ya bicker like ya are am old married couple.....
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    ^ This exchange is both civil and interesting.

    I will ask that you keep your personal opinions, that are not on topic, to yourself.
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    Between public spats they rent a room.

    ERAA is a non-profit - can't bleed money - least not for very long.

    Yes, it's a revenue grab. Of course. And if they were making heaps and tons of money I'd urge them to grab some more - from someone other than airlines or passengers.

    It's a smart move.
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    OK.. you guys are the problem at this point. Medwards and I are having a conversation. there is no name calling. It's civil. Stop perpetuating the past.

    At this point these off topic posts are the issue not medwards or I. I respectfully ask you to DROP IT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Great that you have the opinion.... but it doesn't change the reason EIA is doing this.

    They are doing this as a money maker for the airport that is losing money hand-over-fist.
    One of if not the fastest growing airport in the country.

    2011 no, 2012 yes... but maybe get some facts.

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    Well, this just reached the theatre of the absurd...

    Nope, not because of the commentary, but I was just asked by a couple different people if I was Medwards and also edmonton daily photo and arguing with myself... because of the ellipsis use by both... LOL.

    I haven't trademarked the ellipsis... but I thought it was hilarious!

    Back to your regular programming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    OK.. you guys are the problem at this point. Medwards and I are having a conversation. there is no name calling. It's civil. Stop perpetuating the past.

    At this point these off topic posts are the issue not medwards or I. I respectfully ask you to DROP IT.

    Thanks.
    Wow, more than one agreement in a single day between us? Is the world coming to the end?
    Both EDP and myself are trying to remain on topic, and engaging in a debate that is on topic without the name calling and other shiz that has happened between us in the past. Maybe the rest of you can bury the hatchet too?

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    They should open a casino in this area. Given the opportunity to both entertain, and capture money from travellers, this would be a welcome and profitable addition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Great that you have the opinion.... but it doesn't change the reason EIA is doing this.

    They are doing this as a money maker for the airport that is losing money hand-over-fist.
    One of if not the fastest growing airport in the country.

    2011 no, 2012 yes... but maybe get some facts.

    http://corporate.flyeia.com/sites/de...report_web.pdf

    http://corporate.flyeia.com/about-us...ia-master-plan
    Hey Sleuth - go find me the document from their original expansion plans and compare to the real numbers they are getting today.... You'll find that them their facts have changed in 2012. Hyuk hyuk hyuk

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    The world is dynamic, live with it.
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    It's obvious that they haven't met passenger targets, not many airports have, at least not targets from the pre recession time.

    I had heard that the expansion had come in well under budget around 800,000,000 from the original 1.1 billion, but that may have been wrong or changed with the final completion/tower.

    It is simply smart business for any airport to diversify on their land. With the addition of the hotel, expanded cargo, retail, and commercial EIA is doing this more and more. Also I would guess if they were really that cash strapped they would have raised the airport improvement fee to 30 dollars much sooner than they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason403 View Post
    They should open a casino in this area. Given the opportunity to both entertain, and capture money from travellers, this would be a welcome and profitable addition.
    Why stop with just a Casino? Why not a waterpark, amusement park, 5 star hotels, an NHL arena, farmers market, race track, etc? Pucket, lets just move all of Edmonton right next to YEG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    The world is dynamic, live with it.
    I am living with it, and so is EIA. Hence lets them their build a non-airport related facility called an outlet mall..... hyuk hyuk hyuk.

    Facts are facts after all, and the great wonders at EIA have fallen way short of their goals, and fact: We are now getting an outlet mall to cover the losses! YAY!!!!

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    ^^Awe fork... just move Disneyland. California wasn't using it.

    ^ ok Med I will give you the outlet mall to cover bleeding losses if you give me the rest of the business park makes sense and is a natural evolution of our growth.

    Lets all remember this is MORE than an outlet mall and will be developed over time.
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    Yup, first it was 2001 wtc, then 2008 recession. Next 2014 (ie: shiz costs too much money)

    Maybe EIA should make more realistic/flexible goals that are able to respond to the dynamic world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    ^^Awe fork... just move Disneyland. California wasn't using it.

    ^ ok Med I will give you the outlet mall to cover bleeding losses if you give me the rest of the business park makes sense and is a natural evolution of our growth.
    Port Alberta? I'm okay with this. Air-side related business park? Love it.

    Making realistic goals? I'm also for it.

    Pie in the sky thinking followed by a funding formula based on those pie-in-the-sky thinking? NOT FOR IT.

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    But if you are going to build a terminal what do ya do. You have to build to allow for growth.

    Look at Rexall... replace or renovate.. One was throwing good money for a sub standard product and really didn't save much.

    When does EIA do their annual reporting. I hop this discussion doesn't have to cary on much longer lol.
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    *sigh*

    The airport had exceeded design capacity - the expansion happened just-in-time.

    Besides, far as I can tell, the developer will be taking on all the costs for this project (EIA no doubt paying for water, sewer, etc).

    What's the big deal?

    Sheesh, YVR has AN ENTIRE concourse EMPTY thanks to its expansion.

    Whole dang old AC concourse - well, if you could get a cannon past security you could fire it off there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    ... I was just asked by a couple different people if I was Medwards and also edmonton daily photo and arguing with myself... because of the ellipsis use by both... LOL.
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    I don't see anything wrong with any organization branching out for more revenue for any reason. I certainly do hope this retail development will be profitable for the airport.

    This reminds me. I saw a clip on TV about the Tokyo transit system that actually turns a profit every year and has built complete TODs with shopping centres and skyscrapers around train stations. It seems so obvious now. Why wouldn't they? So if our airport can improve their bottom line by turning to non traditional revenue sources, then I say that's not only smart but what took them so long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    But if you are going to build a terminal what do ya do. You have to build to allow for growth.
    When you expand your house, you do so within your own means of what you can afford, not based on what you think you'll be might be making if you are super-successful 5-10 years down the road.
    You don't leverage yourself based on best-case-scenario-outcomes. You plot a course between high and low. The numbers EIA worked off of where "best case scenarios" and this is the problem.
    I don't have a problem with EIA finding solutions to their revenue problems. I just believe in calling a spade a spade. This outlet mall will do nothing to attract new passengers or travellers to Edmonton or the airport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    ... I was just asked by a couple different people if I was Medwards and also edmonton daily photo and arguing with myself... because of the ellipsis use by both... LOL.
    Must_But_Can't_Stop_Laughing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Well, this just reached the theatre of the absurd...

    Nope, not because of the commentary, but I was just asked by a couple different people if I was Medwards and also edmonton daily photo and arguing with myself... because of the ellipsis use by both... LOL.

    I haven't trademarked the ellipsis... but I thought it was hilarious!

    Back to your regular programming.
    I will comment on your comment as to appear not to be you but in replying am I merely trying to carry on.... the illusion?
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    I guess the LRT and proposed high speed rail will travel between the outlet mall and the airport.
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    Yippee, this is exactly what I had wished for. What a nice Christmas present. A CrossIron north, but smaller, but they can add on later.

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    It has long been a policy of EIA to develop excess land as a revenue stream to offset airside fees as was done by Scott Clenents when they built the golf course and the speedway. It is not indicative of their current financial status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    My only concern is congestion and traffic. I would really hate to see more traffic lights between QE2 and the terminal. EIA passengers shouldn't be missing their flights because every man and his dog are clogging up the road to get to Wal-Mart.
    This is my concern as well. Cross Iron Mills quickly overwhelmed the Balzac interchange.

    While the first phase of the EIA outlet mall will be smaller than CI Mills, additional developments are planned. The existing interchange is already busy not only with airport-related traffic but as a major access point for the Nisku and North Leduc Industrial Parks.

    If transportation upgrades are required (e.g. additional traffic signals, left turn bays, lane/bridge widening, possibly even a new interchange like Cross Iron Mills had to do), who is going to pay for them and how will it impact traffic flow both on the QE2 and Airport Road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Anyone wondering why an International Airport is leasing out their land for retail? Revenue. That's all this is. They need a money maker...

    Why does the airport need non-airport related retail revenue? Perhaps a multi-billion dollar expansion that isn't attracting the growth+new routes they said and thought it would? Falling short by already a million pax a year?...

    That's whats in this pudding.

    Airports expansion isn't bringing in the routes/passengers they all claimed it would, and something will need to pay the bills created by this large large expansion.

    EIA is bleeding cash.
    Or could it be that EIA has finally focused on developing its non-airport real estate much like other airports have done? You better have some hard facts to back your claim that EIA is 'bleeding cash'.

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    My only concern is congestion and traffic. I would really hate to see more traffic lights between QE2 and the terminal. EIA passengers shouldn't be missing their flights because every man and his dog are clogging up the road to get to Wal-Mart.
    This is my concern as well. Cross Iron Mills quickly overwhelmed the Balzac interchange.

    While the first phase of the EIA outlet mall will be smaller than CI Mills, additional developments are planned. The existing interchange is already busy not only with airport-related traffic but as a major access point for the Nisku and North Leduc Industrial Parks.

    If transportation upgrades are required (e.g. additional traffic signals, left turn bays, lane/bridge widening, possibly even a new interchange like Cross Iron Mills had to do), who is going to pay for them and how will it impact traffic flow both on the QE2 and Airport Road?
    Well, Ivanhoe had to pony up a significant cost of the interchange in Balzac and I have no doubts that they will be asked to do the same in this circumstance.

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    Who paid for the new second interchange at Crossiron?

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    ^I believe it was a combination of Rocky View County, Ivanhoe and the Province.

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    I guess the LRT and proposed high speed rail will travel between the outlet mall and the airport.
    This is EIA's "preferred" LRT configuration:


    So I'm guessing what others have pointed out already could be the artist's rendering of an LRT station:

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    Thank you Medwards and EDP, I actually enjoyed reading your posts, this board is so much better when you can disagree and argue your position in a civil way.

    My position is somewhere in the middle.

    EIA are missing their growth aims (based on figures from a number of years ago, the wold has caught a cold since then), partly due to the lack of new flights/destinations. I still know of many people who drive to Calgary instead of flying in a rickety old Dash-8.

    EIA are now in a bit of a loop, to attract new flights they need to guarantee revenue, to guarantee revenue they need more $'s.

    So, by moving ahead with the outlet mall ASAP I hope this means they will use the revenue created to entice more carriers/routes and capacity to EIA...thus helping to increase passenger growth.
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    My only concern is congestion and traffic. I would really hate to see more traffic lights between QE2 and the terminal. EIA passengers shouldn't be missing their flights because every man and his dog are clogging up the road to get to Wal-Mart.
    This is my concern as well. Cross Iron Mills quickly overwhelmed the Balzac interchange.

    While the first phase of the EIA outlet mall will be smaller than CI Mills, additional developments are planned. The existing interchange is already busy not only with airport-related traffic but as a major access point for the Nisku and North Leduc Industrial Parks.

    If transportation upgrades are required (e.g. additional traffic signals, left turn bays, lane/bridge widening, possibly even a new interchange like Cross Iron Mills had to do), who is going to pay for them and how will it impact traffic flow both on the QE2 and Airport Road?
    Well, Ivanhoe had to pony up a significant cost of the interchange in Balzac and I have no doubts that they will be asked to do the same in this circumstance.
    I Imagine that the cit, the airport the province and feds will all partner. What many are failing to recognize is that a new overpass was likely already needed...
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    An outlet mall, great idea!!!

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    Are you being sarcastic?

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    YVR's outlet mall has released some of the first phase brands/stores that will be opening, some of them are: prada, armani, burberry, escada, etro, Desigual, coach, kate spade, tumi, michael kors, coach, ted baker, st john, polo ralph lauren, gap, joe's jeans, j crew... seems like it will be quite high end

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    It's not Port Alberta, but at least it's something. It will create a lot of jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeG View Post
    YVR's outlet mall has released some of the first phase brands/stores that will be opening, some of them are: prada, armani, burberry, escada, etro, Desigual, coach, kate spade, tumi, michael kors, coach, ted baker, st john, polo ralph lauren, gap, joe's jeans, j crew... seems like it will be quite high end
    Sounds almost exactly like the lineup at the North Vegas Outlet. Hopefully the prices are similar too.

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    http://www.airport-world.com/publica...-outlet-retail I thought this was an interesting read.

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    It will be a local mall for citizens of Millet and Leduc.
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    Leduc Millet and Wetaskiwin

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    ^ Beaumont, Devon
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    Also a catchment of 7 million passengers along with their family and friends coming along for a send off. Furthermore, right by a future outer ring road.

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    I probably wouldn't make trips out there just to shop. Maybe once a year if there was something I really wanted to find there. But otherwise these shopping trips would be related to airport trips. On that note, I go to the airport far more than I go to WEM.

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    ^ you might be surprised how often you would go... as long as its a really good mix of products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    I probably wouldn't make trips out there just to shop. Maybe once a year if there was something I really wanted to find there. But otherwise these shopping trips would be related to airport trips. On that note, I go to the airport far more than I go to WEM.
    If they had outlet shops that's not anywhere else nearby then it might be worthwhile.
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    There will b at least 2 *** hotels, a bevy of restaurants, possibly a casino, family friendly venues, theatres etc. plus more...and still room for air industry commercial space...so it will be the destination pre/post airport as well as for the community. Think big

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    Unless there is something there that isn't in Edmonton at all I probably wouldn't make any special trip out that way. Now if they could build a Bass Pro then I might go there.
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    Ivanhoé hustles into outlet mall space

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle18305134/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    Unless there is something there that isn't in Edmonton at all I probably wouldn't make any special trip out that way. Now if they could build a Bass Pro then I might go there.
    (I realise this is an older post)

    There are very few "outlet" stores in Edmonton presently. Outlets are usually carrying completely different but similar looking branded items, somewhat more cheaply than the main branded stores.

    This is to have almost nothing other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSPACE View Post
    Ivanhoé hustles into outlet mall space

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle18305134/
    Very exciting news, fall 2016 sounds so far off though. Maybe they will have the grand opening to coincide exactly with the new arena

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    Quote Originally Posted by Base View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSPACE View Post
    Ivanhoé hustles into outlet mall space

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle18305134/
    Very exciting news, fall 2016 sounds so far off though. Maybe they will have the grand opening to coincide exactly with the new arena
    "Rather than adopting a cookie-cutter format, Ivanhoé is trying to adapt each of its malls to their surroundings. It is, for example, seeking to promote wine at the Niagara outlet and First Nations art at a new hybrid mall that’s under construction on Tsawwassen First Nation lands in British Columbia. In Edmonton, the company is creating an outlet centre with a roof to accommodate the climate."

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    My guess is that there will be some nods to the region's oil history as well as the fact that it's located at the airport, not just simply a roof.
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    Hopefully it will look better than Cross Iron Mills.


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    ^ Cross Iron Mills is an outlet mall. What do you expect, an I.M. Pei pyramid ceiling atrium for the food court?

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    ^Exactly. FFS people.

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    ^^no but just because it is an outlet mall it doesnt have to be tacky like cross iron - it can, just be a mall minus the gimmicky cheese crap. That mall looks like a circus.

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    ^Exactly. FFS people.
    Sorry it offends you so much.

    But I'll hope whatever I want, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJC View Post
    ^ Cross Iron Mills is an outlet mall. What do you expect, an I.M. Pei pyramid ceiling atrium for the food court?
    ha ha.

    How about omitting the river of s*** while I'm trying to eat?
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    Grand Louvre it's not but I for one think Crossiron Mills is awesome and have been there often and it's super busy these days so obviously hundreds of thousands agree

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    Kinda agree about Crossiron. Kinda looks like a few container loads of random flooring threw up on the place. To each its own though, it's not terrible. It's an outlet mall afterall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    Hopefully it will look better than Cross Iron Mills.


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    A very american look. It is suitable for Calgary.

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    When they say roof I think chances are they mean full enclosed and climate controlled, as opposed to a roof but not enclosed completely. I guess that's a reality around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Base View Post
    When they say roof I think chances are they mean full enclosed and climate controlled, as opposed to a roof but not enclosed completely. I guess that's a reality around here.
    Just like Cross Iron Mills - the weather here being not much different than Calgary. So this would be an inlet mall not an outlet mall ... and built on the cheap with exposed structural and M&E like Cross Iron or the Old Capilano before it was gutted to have external access...come to think about so many of those Older style cheap malls have been gutted to something better. Let's hope that Ivanhoe Cambridge don't build crap out there. We saw what a developer got away with on the hotel.
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    Hopefully they will build something nice, but I'm not expecting an architectural masterpiece for the simple fact, it's a shopping mall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Let's hope that Ivanhoe Cambridge don't build crap out there.
    i hope, but not counting on it - SEC meets cross iron i imagine.

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    Yup... what more would you expect?
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