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    Default Stantec Tower | 250.8 m, 823', 69 floors | under construction

    Stantec looking for new headquarters, and that could mean building an office tower
    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/busin...808/story.html

    Stantec is looking for about 300,000 square feet of space with flexibility to go up to 400,000 square feet although a developer may propose a larger building with room for other tenants.

    By comparison, Epcor Tower, Edmonton’s newest office highrise building has 625,000 square feet of space.

    Stantec’s other criteria include a minimum floor plate of 25,000 square feet, with adequate transit and transportation services, and amenities such as a daycare or fitness facility.

    The location could be either downtown or suburban.

    “At this point in time, we’re open to whatever proposals come along the way,” Shillington said.

    Not high on Stantec’s requirements is flashy architecture, he added.

    “Again, it’s going to depend on what comes back and what developers are prepared to do to meet our needs, but to be honest, are we looking for the iconic ‘wow?’,” he asked.

    “That’s actually not Stantec. That’s not our culture.”
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    Sounds very promising, they are a true hometown success story and hope they remain downtown. They should go in the Edmonton Arena District tower D

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    ^ The initial design for Tower D definitely would fall in line with what they were saying about how the tower doesn't need to be ultra-flashy.

    Considering the number of office tower developments currently in the works, there likely will be fierce competition for this one. I just pray to God that Stantec doesn't opt for a campus option.
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    Agreed, 102 St Centre would be a lot more flashier, either way, the City can take a tower and they can take a tower, I don't care who goes where

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    Could be looking at 2-4 towers being built in the next 24-36 months.
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    The location could be either downtown or suburban.
    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/busin...808/story.html

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottieA View Post
    I just pray to God that Stantec doesn't opt for a campus option.
    Agreed, i dont care what the tower looks like if a suburban style office is on the table, as long as the stay downtown (i know their one location west of 109th isnt exactly downtown, but still)

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    Loosing them from DT would be horrid.... but since they demand good alt transport options there are not many choices.

    Please write Stantec and ask them to stay DT.

    Manu II seems like the best immediate fit and a very strong contender.
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    Keeping options open is a good thing for the process, but I cannot see them leaving downtown/central Edmonton.

    I hope they kick off tower D or AIMCO.
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    It would be nice if they could stay in the downtown core. Although if their heart was set on moving out of the downtown, I wonder if they would be interested in setting up in a new campus style around the LRT NAIT station.
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    thats ok.... not suburban in my eyes really
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    Downtown, only downtown please.
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    I'm speculating that the leading contenders are AED/Katz, AIMCo, Kelley Ramsey and Performing Arts/Stationlands
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    any headquarters has to be in downtown only because we need downtown growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jagators63 View Post
    any headquarters has to be in downtown only because we need downtown growth.
    Precisely!
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    My guess, Arena tower...for sure.

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    If I were a betting man, I'd agree.
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    ^For sure.

    Stantec in AED Tower D with an ALT Hotel (Germaine Group) would be eerily similiar to their project in Winnipeg's SHED (Sports & Hospitality Entertainment District) Centre Point (Stantec 200k).

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    Well I will say that the odds are a whole lot better these days to hear Stantec moving into a new tower then it was even a few months ago.
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    I'm speculating that the leading contenders are AED/Katz, AIMCo, Kelley Ramsey and Performing Arts/Stationlands
    Ian mentioned on SSP that KR is not in the mix.
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    Agreed on dntwn - Stnld 2?
    whom do you think could fit into the current 112 street locations ?
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    I'd guess government.

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    but their all moving ito the Federal Building development .......... right away ............
    Back to topic:
    Why would they say We don't need or possibly want an Iconic Structure .....
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    The Provincial Government has much more staff than could ever fit in the Federal Building. Not to say they would be interested in any of Stantec's old space... just giving you a scale of the provincial client based on readily available info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    but their all moving ito the Federal Building development .......... right away ............
    Back to topic:
    Why would they say We don't need or possibly want an Iconic Structure .....
    Good, sexy, modern design does not have to be 'iconic'.... simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottieA View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    I'm speculating that the leading contenders are AED/Katz, AIMCo, Kelley Ramsey and Performing Arts/Stationlands
    Ian mentioned on SSP that KR is not in the mix.
    Only my guess, nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    but their all moving ito the Federal Building development .......... right away ............
    Back to topic:
    Why would they say We don't need or possibly want an Iconic Structure .....
    Only a small fraction of government/Legislature offices (Finance and L.A.O. being the main ones) are moving into that building. You'd be shocked how many Provincial offices are scattered around the city, not just DT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    ... Why would they say We don't need or possibly want an Iconic Structure .....
    I know! Interesting statement from a firm that touts its archetectural arm ...

    All that, and fretting about DT aside, Stantec is an outstanding Edmonton firm that has promoted our-fair-city well - here and across N. America.

    I'll bet in the end, we'll all be very happy with what they decide.
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    Stantec not wanting an "iconic" tower could be all about perception. Iconic can be perceived to mean expensive, and this may not sit well with the shareholders ("Where are my profits going?) and customers ("I pay how much so they could have a fancy new headquarters?).

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    ^ A design and architecture company should build a marvel for its home office to show off its capabilities.

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    i was disappointed to see they don't want an "iconic" building. but the line right after eased my concerns (about how they want the building to enrich the city)


    i do hope this rfp is just a formality. and they end up picking tower d in the arena district. what a wonderful gift it would be from an edmonton company that is staying hq'd in our fair city.

    if stantec moves in, others might follow suit. and the city as a whole will be much better off. outsiders will see that and possibily want to get involved and so forth.

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    ^showing off prudent design decisions that still accomplish great design/look is what great consultants do.
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    Stantec is more about community integration and sustainability than it is about being flashy.

    They wouldn't move into a windowless bunker not just because it would be horrid for the staff but because it would be horrid for the area they move into. That type of design would harm the area.

    I think they are simply being holistic about the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ^showing off prudent design decisions that still accomplish great design/look is what great consultants do.
    ^ +1

    That said, would like to see 102 Centre win out here.

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    Hub-bub around the arena district aside - there are some big holes (said in all meanings of the word) still to be filled on or near Jasper Ave.

    Some, right on LRT stops ...

    Just sayin'
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    ^I really would love one new tower on Jasper for excitement and energy.
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    Bp lands please!
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    With a Tenant and ask as large of this could an office tower on 109 and Jasper over teh LRT tracks now be viable?!
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    ^short answer, no, longer answer, noo.
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    so that's a no?
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    The only area of Jasper and 109 that could handle an office tower is Canterra Centre, and that probably won't be redeveloped for a very long time.

    We are destined to have the neutered Mayfair North on that lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ^I really would love one new tower on Jasper for excitement and energy.
    There's the Melcor lot next to RBC.

    Procura had some tower proposals on Jasper Ave (Hotel Mac park, theatre/Hat lot)...but given the turds they're crapping out lately, I hope they sell their lands and leave town.
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    The timing of Stantec's leases expiring and the timelines to build a tower in the Arena district seem to be quite close. I would bet on that AED Tower unless something else comes out of the woodwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
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    ^I really would love one new tower on Jasper for excitement and energy.
    There's the Melcor lot next to RBC.

    Procura had some tower proposals on Jasper Ave (Hotel Mac park, theatre/Hat lot)...but given the turds they're crapping out lately, I hope they sell their lands and leave town.
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    Maybe they will occupy something new on Gateway boulevard or similar? While Stantec are one of the few who have stayed downtown, it wouldn't surprise me to see them move closer to PCL and other construction companies. I hope they stay downtown, but suburban might be cheaper.

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    I wonder if having a company in direct competition like Jacobs in town with their name on an office tower will make Stantec lean towards the same.

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    There are a couple of holes need filling on Gateway too.

    But Gateway and transit? Don't think so.

    Still hoping for a developer to deliver a great Jasper Ave proposal. But if I had to bet - an arena district tower is the more likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
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    ^I really would love one new tower on Jasper for excitement and energy.
    There's the Melcor lot next to RBC.

    Procura had some tower proposals on Jasper Ave (Hotel Mac park, theatre/Hat lot)...but given the turds they're crapping out lately, I hope they sell their lands and leave town.
    Don't discount either.
    Well if 'non-iconic' is a requirement, Procura seems to fit the bill.
    Though they seem to be more of an anti-iconic these days.

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    ^again, don't rule out good designs from anyone...

    As for PCL being where they are, there is a reason.
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    I think many of you are blowing these comments WAY out of proportion....wow.

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    At first glance, the VP's comments about their culture and being open to a suburban move kinds smells of "good enough".

    But when you read the next bit, it's more heartening...and even a hint as to who the front runner might be (coughcoughKatzcoughcough).

    But the company does want developers to explain how the new building will enrich its neighbourhood and the city.

    “We know we have the potential to activate an area. We have 1,500 staff who will be boosting the area and we also know there’s not a lot of head offices in the city either,” Shillington said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    At first glance, the VP's comments about their culture and being open to a suburban move kinds smells of "good enough".

    But when you read the next bit, it's more heartening...and even a hint as to who the front runner might be (coughcoughKatzcoughcough).

    But the company does want developers to explain how the new building will enrich its neighbourhood and the city.

    “We know we have the potential to activate an area. We have 1,500 staff who will be boosting the area and we also know there’s not a lot of head offices in the city either,” Shillington said.
    Agreed. That quote, and the part about how Stantec wants developers to explain to them how the new building "will enrich its neighbourhood and the city", tells me that downtown is the far more likely option. There are not many options outside of downtown where a corporate head office housing 1,500+ employees could (and should) be placed that "activate an area".
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    Downtown seems the only logical choice IMO. Lets hope they follow logic
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    OOO imagine if they built a tower on SPR between 149st and 156.

    It would transform the area!
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    ^yeah they'd be able to easily buy up cheap land for surface parking for their staff if it was there.

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    ^ they wouldn't do that...

    I am just saying imagine what 1500 well paid staff would do to an area like that..
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    ^I am certain if they go with a suburban location it will be somewhere where there is land for surface parking (this is one of the main attractions / advantages of suburban).

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    ^ it really doesn't speak to Stantec's culture from what I understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    At first glance, the VP's comments about their culture and being open to a suburban move kinds smells of "good enough".

    But when you read the next bit, it's more heartening...and even a hint as to who the front runner might be (coughcoughKatzcoughcough).

    But the company does want developers to explain how the new building will enrich its neighbourhood and the city.

    We know we have the potential to activate an area. We have 1,500 staff who will be boosting the area and we also know there’s not a lot of head offices in the city either,” Shillington said.
    Interesting, since the arena would already be activating the area, they would not necessarily be activating the arena district with their presence.

    If they want to activate an area, they should try downtown's blackhole: the boston pizza and surrounding lots.

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    OR... the Quarters.
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    Sorry to be the first to say it but Stantec has quite a reputation for being cheap. Buy up companies then slash and burn, keeping client portfolios and a few key talents. This is their Modus Operandi. The cheaper the space the better for their office space, no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAAAE View Post
    Sorry to be the first to say it but Stantec has quite a reputation for being cheap. Buy up companies then slash and burn, keeping client portfolios and a few key talents. This is their Modus Operandi. The cheaper the space the better for their office space, no doubt.
    Sounds like personal bitterness...and not relevant to the main topic of the thread (office tower).

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AAAAE View Post
    Sorry to be the first to say it but Stantec has quite a reputation for being cheap. Buy up companies then slash and burn, keeping client portfolios and a few key talents. This is their Modus Operandi. The cheaper the space the better for their office space, no doubt.
    Sounds like personal bitterness...and not relevant to the main topic of the thread (office tower).
    I have never worked for them. Nor do I know anyone closely who has. And I would say this is quite relevant as it explains why they are likely to go with a plainer office tower than a really fancy one such as 102 ST Centre

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAAAE View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by AAAAE View Post
    Sorry to be the first to say it but Stantec has quite a reputation for being cheap. Buy up companies then slash and burn, keeping client portfolios and a few key talents. This is their Modus Operandi. The cheaper the space the better for their office space, no doubt.
    Sounds like personal bitterness...and not relevant to the main topic of the thread (office tower).
    I have never worked for them. Nor do I know anyone closely who has. And I would say this is quite relevant as it explains why they are likely to go with a plainer office tower than a really fancy one such as 102 ST Centre
    So if you or no one you know has worked for them where did you read/hear/see about their reputation? I have heard they are no worse than any other large company.
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    Buying companies and then slashing them to maximize profit is one of the main tenants of Capitalism. It happens everywhere and not just Stantec. In fact it has been great for the Stantec stock that I own.

    I am really hoping that this company stays downtown. It is one of the very few remaining "decent size" public companies we have. I will take a new tower anywhere downtown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Komrade View Post
    Downtown seems the only logical choice IMO. Lets hope they follow logic
    You can probably bet it is, they're just open to all offers. The EJ article misconstrued their comments a bit from what I understand. They were asked if they were going to do something like The Bow in Calgary and they said something like "no, it will be less iconic".

    So media is part to blame, and their RFP is not large enough for something like The Bow, so I understand why they downplayed expectations.

    I still think it will be a nice addition to downtown, no matter what they choose to do.
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    I'd assume that because Architecture is one of their calling cards, that they would want to showcase their talent pool? Have you seen the proposed Telus Sky tower for Calgary. Katz tower could have a twist to it as well, could it not? Doesn't have to be tall, just cool!

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    What is cool one day is dated the next!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stinger11 View Post
    I'd assume that because Architecture is one of their calling cards, that they would want to showcase their talent pool? Have you seen the proposed Telus Sky tower for Calgary. Katz tower could have a twist to it as well, could it not? Doesn't have to be tall, just cool!
    Except that Telus Sky is also well over 200m...We are outgunned in that battle.

    One thing people have to realize is who Stantec is. We are talking about an Engineering Services Company. It's tough for companies in that industry (who effectively provide services to clients) to justify very high end real estate space (hence why Worly Parsons is spread out across South Edmonton in Industrial real estate spaces).

    Major Oil&Gas companies, like those that anchor Calgary's massive skyline, can justify the high premiums for offices like Encana/Cenovus in the Bow as the cost is relatively a washout because of their higher revenue stream (Producing Energy vs. providing contract services).

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    I'd assume that because Architecture is one of their calling cards, that they would want to showcase their talent pool? Have you seen the proposed Telus Sky tower for Calgary. Katz tower could have a twist to it as well, could it not? Doesn't have to be tall, just cool!
    Except that Telus Sky is also well over 200m...We are outgunned in that battle.

    One thing people have to realize is who Stantec is. We are talking about an Engineering Services Company. It's tough for companies in that industry (who effectively provide services to clients) to justify very high end real estate space (hence why Worly Parsons is spread out across South Edmonton in Industrial real estate spaces).

    Major Oil&Gas companies, like those that anchor Calgary's massive skyline, can justify the high premiums for offices like Encana/Cenovus in the Bow as the cost is relatively a washout because of their higher revenue stream (Producing Energy vs. providing contract services).
    The Williams Engineering building reno. has some interesting charactor; Kelly R building should look good (too short), but very nice. So I don't agree that local companies aren't big enough to pay for creative buildings as that is not the only criteria for construction. Just look at Commerce place, Manulife, Scotia place...they are here, aren't they??

    Skinning a building with some creative nauances, dosen't push the costs to construct over the top. The infrastructure of a tower, is "more or less" the same, height is what makes a big difference, so a little creative design is realitive. Katz tower is a little blah...; that is just a "little" blah, could be spiced up a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    What is cool one day is dated the next!

    No kidding flower boy. "Cool" can be defined as timeless or whatever buzz word you associate with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stinger11 View Post
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    What is cool one day is dated the next!

    No kidding flower boy. "Cool" can be defined as timeless or whatever buzz word you associate with it.
    Than simply say Timeless .. I know lots of things that are timeless that aren't cool. You could try expanding your thoughts a bit more and maybe you wouldn't have to result to name calling.
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    Sounds like a decision is imminent...
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    What time frame are we talking about re an announcement?
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    Hard to say. They have their annual corporate party in January... so perhaps an announcement then? That said, a few of our bets sound like the chosen location.
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    Who would be the finalists? AED? Manulife 2? KR? Stationlands?
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    ^I'd say all of those but KR... heard Melcor was in on the mix.
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    Melcor? Interesting. Haven't heard from that proposal in a while.
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    Curious, if they build a tower, what would the time frame for occupancy be and would it mean they would move out of all their existing offices? Currently they have moved into the all of Devonian Plaza except the floor and a half we are on and I'm wondering if we can expect them to be exiting in a few years.

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    I believe they want their tower ready for 2017 or so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Curious, if they build a tower, what would the time frame for occupancy be and would it mean they would move out of all their existing offices? Currently they have moved into the all of Devonian Plaza except the floor and a half we are on and I'm wondering if we can expect them to be exiting in a few years.
    Leases are up on their main campus in 2016.

    They'll have to negotiate out of Centre Club, and I'd expect that anything in Devonian is a short term deal
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    Interesting. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 240GLT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Curious, if they build a tower, what would the time frame for occupancy be and would it mean they would move out of all their existing offices? Currently they have moved into the all of Devonian Plaza except the floor and a half we are on and I'm wondering if we can expect them to be exiting in a few years.
    Leases are up on their main campus in 2016.

    They'll have to negotiate out of Centre Club, and I'd expect that anything in Devonian is a short term deal
    No if they build the tower they wanted to on the surface parking lot next to the Devovion..... wink wink
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    Not wink wink...
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    I can't believe we let them tear down a building to make a surface parking lot...
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    Who, what?
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    The building that was next to the Devonion.. Maybe it was before your time ian. It used to be a Servus before servus became servus.

    The owners of the devonion proposed an expansion in the form of a small tower (If I remember correctly) DP permit was issued but nothing ever moved forward once the bank was gone.

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    Yay search function.

    You were around, it was 2007 and you even posted a picture (which is now gone) Sevus was called Capital City Savings.
    link to thread here.

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    Oh, I know that there was a ~16 proposal for the site... dont think a DP went ahead though.
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    no your right, I am tired, I meant a demo permit.
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    ^^ That seems like so long ago now

    I don't think it ever got past the tiny, vague rendering stage.
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    2007 baby...
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    So many unfinished, uncompleted, unrealized and unfunded projects that had things torn down with nothing put up in their place.... Le Sigh.

    Hopefully Stantec builds something nice.

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    I believe the Servus building was demolished and turned into a parking lot in revenge for not getting the go-ahead from city hall.
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    ^nope. Market went to hell... project stalled and he had the Devonian to lease.
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    He expected to lease the entire building to the gov't I believe which didn't happen.
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    ^not sure if that is correct to be honest. Either way, I suspect it will be a next phase in coming years.
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    It was a rumor that was kicked around...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ^not sure if that is correct to be honest. Either way, I suspect it will be a next phase in coming years.
    To be honest i hope the next phase is ressy.

    I want Oliver to break through 20,000 people.
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    So based on what I'm reading on SSP (Ian's comments below), I'm assuming that 102 Street Centre was not successful, or they cut down on the number of storeys. They aparently went with someting that would be the new 3rd or 4th tallest tower.

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    Nope. Wont be a new tallest, but will be a significant tower for the downtown core.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ^not sure if that is correct to be honest. Either way, I suspect it will be a next phase in coming years.
    That was correct.

    Made a HUGE mistake by not going for some sort of "green" certification on the retrofit. Cost them their target tenant
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