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    Not sure if anyone here has seen the YouTube videos that use drones. But i think it would be a good tool for people who do photos and what not and with all these new builds in edmonton i think it would also be awesome to see shots from a compleately new angle never done before. What do you guys think?

    http://www.dji.com/

    The best and i think first vid i ever saw using this drone and what you could end up doing with it.




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    I've already seen a few vids of edmonton using drones or hovercams... Pretty cool.

    Even an rc with a gopro hooked to it produces some interesting vids

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    Amazing videos, thanks for sharing that. What a gamechanger this is for taking footage.

    Recently I was reading about the Camera technology involved in the filming of the movie "The shining" and how advanced that was considered at the time.

    Now we have 4 prop mini copters flying through the air with no vibration detected and in HD available to the public. Unbelievable technology, vantage point, skys the limit, excuse the pun.
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    Some workmates used one to video an outdoor hockey game from above, was amazing.

    I had this thought, what would happen if I flew one off the condo balcony and hovered in front of neighbours windows taking video? Lol, at the end of the day you can always shut your curtains or blinds.

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    ^That is just sick and wrong moa wtf is wrong with you.

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    ^what is wrong with you? I didn't say I would do, my point is what is to stop someone doing this? These drones are interesting in terms of safety and privacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Some workmates used one to video an outdoor hockey game from above, was amazing.

    I had this thought, what would happen if I flew one off the condo balcony and hovered in front of neighbours windows taking video? Lol, at the end of the day you can always shut your curtains or blinds.
    Well, you touched on the privacy aspect. With a lot of discussion around legality of use of these video drones already.

    Undoubtedly lots of ways these can be used that limit any sense of privacy. From the voyeur to the criminal/investigative application this is undoubtedly a game changer in those ways as well.

    First thing I thought when I saw some of these videos is how many people get offended when they are being viewed without permission and in ways that would not have been possible/permissible before. Especially in the firearm happy USA have people begun to use these drones as target practice? I can see that being a potential reaction when people start to get annoyed with these intrusions. Right now it seems a novelty and mostly perceived as fun. The number of heinous applications though will likely limit use of this technology in time in jurisdictions experiencing a problem with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnoblade View Post
    ^That is just sick and wrong moa wtf is wrong with you.
    I think moa is just mentioning this is a distinct possibility.

    Indeed yesterday was my first exposure to these devices and yet it took minutes before voyeuristic and inappropriate footage was found. With most of that fortunately being screened and deleted by youtube but with it obviously being out there and with people using these for that kind of nefarious voyeuristic purpose.

    Not even considering the espionage, surveillance etc possibilities and ways this could be used.

    Say good bye to back yard or penthouse or beach privacy anywhere.
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    ^my basic understanding is it would be legal for someone to hover one over your back yard (like a kite or a plane), as the skies are common space, and illegal to shoot it down or damage it (as not your property to damage). Somehow, that doesn't seem right.

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    I want one. I'd love to fly one around and see the river valley, etc. from a different perspective.

    As for legalities, haven't radio controlled planes been around for decades, cameras far longer? So most legal issues should have been dealt with. It's just that now we have better cameras and controls working together. So I don't see how any laws would need to change beyond traffic control issues.

    I'm more worried about the fact that personal drone development will dramatically improve, miniaturize and advance the technology as it has with cellphones. Now, since millions upon millions of smart phones can be pumped out of factories in no time, the technology and capacity may soon exist for a country to do the same with little low cost weaponized drones with advanced delivery software. Ie the drone with your name on it has already left the factory.

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    Used as they were intended, as a method of getting areal photos, videos and imagery, they are a brilliant piece of kit. I've seen some beautiful, artistic and creative videos taken by that method. That said, there are too many drone users who are doing stupid, inconsiderate stunts with them which will cause regulators and politicians to legislate them out of use for all but specialists. I read where a fellow in France spent weeks getting permission to fly, and when he finally received a permit, he was restricted to 100 meter distance and height. A professional photographer friend in Holland told me that in order to fly one in that country you must have a pilot's license and file a flight plan.
    It's jut a matter of time until these devices are heavily restricted in North America.

    As for the comment on radio controlled aircraft, it is illegal in most jurisdictions to fly them anywhere except designated areas, such as a private field owned by a model airplane club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^my basic understanding is it would be legal for someone to hover one over your back yard (like a kite or a plane), as the skies are common space, and illegal to shoot it down or damage it (as not your property to damage). Somehow, that doesn't seem right.
    thats an interesting topic of discussion.

    In some areas of the world your property rights extend for some distance below ground (I think it was Kuala Lampur that had issues building transportation tunnels because of this)

    I wonder if one day we will see legislation that extends your property rights into the space above your house for lets say 50 meters or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^my basic understanding is it would be legal for someone to hover one over your back yard (like a kite or a plane), as the skies are common space, and illegal to shoot it down or damage it (as not your property to damage). Somehow, that doesn't seem right.
    Actually

    Just took a look in my CARS (Canadian Air Regulations), a drone is considered an aircraft and as such is required to remain a minimum 500 feet over a built up area.

    So.....if you can ID it you can log a complaint and there will be enforcement action.

    In addition they are considered a remote control aircraft and there are local bylaws surrounding their operation...like flying over your backyard.

    At least for now

    Right now new regulations (haven't seen them and can't comment) are working their way through Transport Canada to increase regulation of UAVs regardless of size with some pretty hefty penalties proposed.

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    ^
    If the drone dropped below 500 feet, and thus invaded a home owners airspace, what would be the legality of bringing it down with, say a blast from a water hose?

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    Ummmm, probably wouldn't go well for you - the notion being that proper authority should be contacted. (But it'd be sweet, I admit).

    There is a notion that property owners, save for minerals specifically named in the Mines and Minerals Act own the property and everything above and below it from Heaven to Hell.

    There's only one case that I know of where this was tested, in England, where the courts ruled the concept was legally true, only so deep or so high as the property owner could reasonaby make use of the land (or air).

    Ergo, in theory you could charge airlines a tax to fly over your house, but as you can't reasonably use 30-thousand feet of air above your head, in practice you can't.
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    anyone else old enough to remember when "personal drone" meant that voice regardless of place or topic that would put you to sleep?
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    I want one so I can take better pics of the skyline. So many potentially great angle are blocked by the trees at the top of the valley. I would just LOVE to get above the treetops to take some pics.

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    A director friend of mine just picked up the Phantom. Brilliant shots

    Wait till you see the music videos we got planned with this bad boy
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    ^How much was it for his and where did he buy it from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
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    If the drone dropped below 500 feet, and thus invaded a home owners airspace, what would be the legality of bringing it down with, say a blast from a water hose?
    Well

    CARS doesn't cover that specific, but if its intentionally hovering 20' over your backyard my bet is no one would know what to do if you washed it down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    anyone else old enough to remember when "personal drone" meant that voice regardless of place or topic that would put you to sleep?
    Yes

    It is still prevalent in many hall of discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnoblade View Post
    ^How much was it for his and where did he buy it from?
    Online and he paid just under 1K for it

    Mounted with the Go-Pro the shots he has been getting is insane. The entire Rundle Park + River + Refineries in 1 shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    anyone else old enough to remember when "personal drone" meant that voice regardless of place or topic that would put you to sleep?
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    Drones Outlawed in 2 US National Parks


    http://www.livescience.com/45395-dro...nal-parks.html
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    Allan Au made this video of Edmonton last fall using a drone

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    I think many of the photos and videos that have been made using these drones are great and a really great use of talent.

    When used appropriately these things are a real asset.

    My fear is that sooner or later someone will do something intrusive, breach privacy or some other ill thought out use and then the hammer will fall with regulation, laws, training, licensing to overcome the small minorities lack of common sense.

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    ^^ Wow. Especially from about 1:55-2:20 - s-t-u-n-n-i-n-g
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Hinderks View Post
    My fear is that sooner or later someone will do something intrusive, breach privacy or some other ill thought out use and then the hammer will fall with regulation, laws, training, licensing to overcome the small minorities lack of common sense.

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    Or get sucked into a 737 turbofan...

    That thing had some significant altitude.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Or get sucked into a 737 turbofan...
    Thanks for bringing negativity to yet another thread PRT........

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    Sorry you feel that way. Funny you did not think Thomas was negative and I was only responding to the problems he saw in the drone issue.

    I thought I was being positive by showing a neat application of the technology.

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    Tom unlike you has logical topics to talk about. Also the DJI only has a max high of 2000 feet before the transmitter loses signal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnoblade View Post
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    Or get sucked into a 737 turbofan...
    Thanks for bringing negativity to yet another thread PRT........
    I think your dislike for a person has interfered with your sense of humour.

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    I fail to see how having a 1000 dollar drone being involved in bringing down a jetliner with 200+ people on it funny.

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    Paul stated it was humourous, but at 2,000 feet drones are definitely a threat to aircraft and helicopters. Autonomous drones can go much higher. Look at the number of bird strike that happen that cause more than a billion dollas damage to aircraft annually. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_strike A mechanical or signal failure could cause a drone to fall on people or damage property.

    I do think you have issues that are biased against me but that is your problem, not mine.

    Thomas and I are speaking about the same issue and the real issues they raise about risks, regulations and licensing. Get over it.

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    There are valid concerns with their use - not just privacy concerns, but for criminal or terrorist use of them. My inner [email protected] can easily think of some evil ways I can use a drone! Remember too that drones were initially built by the military, so think of what they used them for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnoblade View Post
    I fail to see how having a 1000 dollar drone being involved in bringing down a jetliner with 200+ people on it funny.
    If you're viewing from that direction then PRT is raising a significant point, which is airspace is regulated for pertinent safety reasons. Either way, you're distracted by your dislike of him from addressing the actual issues raised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Magnoblade View Post
    I fail to see how having a 1000 dollar drone being involved in bringing down a jetliner with 200+ people on it funny.
    If you're viewing from that direction then PRT is raising a significant point, which is airspace is regulated for pertinent safety reasons. Either way, you're distracted by your dislike of him from addressing the actual issues raised.
    Maybe do some research like i did and see what DJI are doing to address this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnoblade View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Magnoblade View Post
    I fail to see how having a 1000 dollar drone being involved in bringing down a jetliner with 200+ people on it funny.
    If you're viewing from that direction then PRT is raising a significant point, which is airspace is regulated for pertinent safety reasons. Either way, you're distracted by your dislike of him from addressing the actual issues raised.
    Maybe do some research like i did and see what DJI are doing to address this.
    Then the correct response would have been to direct PRT to these resources or directly address his point instead of dismissing him as being negative. In fact I wouldn't mind seeing them as well. My initial search run didn't turn up much other than DJI addressing some flyaway concerns. Given that within the Phantom's operating specs they could potentially reach altitudes of 2000' there are legitimate regulatory concerns over the operation of these devices.

    From what I can tell under current regulations anything under 35kg not being used commercially us relatively unregulated. That made sense given the limitations of past RC aircraft. Quadcopters like the Phantom have far more capability than the aircraft the regulations were based on.

    Another point may be that if you post videos to Youtube and then derive income from that then it could be construed as commercial use and therefor require a Special Flight Operation Certificate.

    And finally, all the serious stuff aside, I can easily see a quadcopter getting sucked into a jet engine as funny bit for a sitcom. Certainly less gruesome than the occasional human it happens to in movies.

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    http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/uav-faqs-for-canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Hinderks View Post
    I think many of the photos and videos that have been made using these drones are great and a really great use of talent.

    When used appropriately these things are a real asset.


    My fear is that sooner or later someone will do something intrusive, breach privacy or some other ill thought out use and then the hammer will fall with regulation, laws, training, licensing to overcome the small minorities lack of common sense.

    In my highly biased personal opinion
    Bolding by me...

    To be clear I am not trying to be negative, as noted above.

    But...as I have found with all things aviation...all it takes is one big bone head move and you could see these things restricted to death or banned.
    (Which for the vast majority would be really unfair)

    To all the guys using them out there...I would suggest if you see someone doing something untoward or boneheaded get them to stop and explain what they are risking for everyone using them.

    Meantime I encourage you to obey the rules (and some common sense) and have fun with the UAV and your talent.

    It would be neat to see this grow.

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    Tom i know you are not negative in this thread or any thread, its prt who is the negative one here and hes trying to pin this on you, that's just pathetic and sad. Anyhow here is the one vid of one guy who did go to 2000 feet and what happened after this is a link about his rights from the FAA in the description of the vid



    http://www.accuweather.com/en/weathe...tions/19485832

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    No, I was not trying to pin anything on anybody, especially Thomas. Why are you being so negative Mag? Read my posts, Thomas and I are not being negative at all. Don't you think pizza and beer delivery by UAV is a positive idea? I think UAV's are neat and I was thinking of getting one since last year. I used to have RC cars and these could be a lot of fun now that they have real performance capabilities.

    Issues with aircraft flight paths are an issue of discussion but I guess that you want to control what is said about UAV's. There are many jurisdictions that have created regulations and limitations on them.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle

    Continue to drone on but why not use their proper name , UAV or unmanned aerial vehicle?
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    This is exactly what the UAV/Drone community needs to self police against

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/09/travel...html?hpt=hp_t2

    It will only take a couple of incidents and the regulatory hammer will fall.

    Which I would hate to see happen, but...

    Circuit altitude around controlled and uncontrolled airports is generally 1000' above ground level. Final approaches (final turn towards the runway in use) is generically 500' above ground level.

    Both, as seen on this thread, well within UAV/Drone level and a 4lb Drone into the windshield of a light aircraft (like a Cessna) or intake of a jet could easily prove lethal.

    Please fly your UAV/Drones responsibly, stay the heck away from airports and helipads and safely out of active airspace.

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    And UAV's can weigh up to 35kg, far heavier than the largest birds in Canada.

    Transport Canada regulations
    https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviati...s-uav-2270.htm
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    As I follow this on a couple aviation forums I'm finding the conversation very interesting.

    Most pilots would like to see the recreational UAV stuff continue more or less as it is, but would really like to see the people causing problems (aircraft conflicts and such) prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    Most of the pilots posting, like me, think its pretty cool and respect those that operate them intelligently and worry the twits are going to ruin it for everyone.

    BTW from what I am hearing there have been a few incidents to this point but so far no regulatory backlash has started.

    Another pretty good article and comments
    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2160682

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    Some UAV's have active sensors to avoid other aircraft.

    I think you will see more chopper & winged UAV's replacing news and traffic helicopters as they are far cheaper to run and maintain.






    I think you will see news crews with a UAV in their van to get a bird's eye view of fires, train wrecks and other limited access reporting applications.
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    Drone seen flying in path of landing planes at Vancouver airport

    A concerned citizen spotted the drone, a remote-controlled aircraft, adjacent to the glide path of planes landing at Vancouver airport.

    RCMP Sgt. Cam Kowalski said police want to publicize the dangers of remote-controlled aircraft, also known as UAVs, or unmanned aerial vehicles.

    "It puts people in danger and puts them at risk, puts the community at risk," said Kowalski. "We take these incidents very seriously."

    "It's incredibly dangerous and incredibly stupid, so we will investigate this every way that we possibly can."
    I'm wondering why its taking so long here to get even basic regulations about where you can fly these in Canada. According the article, in the U.S. drones need permission from the tower to fly near an airport.

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    Drones being used by Fort McMurray real estate company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    my point is what is to stop someone doing this? These drones are interesting in terms of safety and privacy.
    You don't need a drone to be a peeping tom. You can do that from ground level. What stops you from doing that moa? Answer that question and you'll have answered yours as well.
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    This racing drone stuff is so cool, I want one:

    http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/kiwi-d...ion-2015062418
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    Watch the sparks fly as drones are now a serious treat to air traffic.


    Investigations launched after suspected drone strikes passenger jet in London
    By Tim Hume and Richard Allen Greene, CNN
    Updated 1:33 PM ET, Mon April 18, 2016
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/17/europe...strikes-plane/

    London (CNN)Did a drone hit an airliner trying to land at London's Heathrow Airport?

    The pilot of a British Airways flight certainly thinks so, and now authorities would like to find out who might have been behind the weekend incident.
    British Airways Flight BA727 from Geneva was approaching Heathrow on Sunday afternoon when what the pilot believed to be a drone struck the front of the aircraft, London Metropolitan Police said. The plane was 1,700 feet in the air at the time, police said.
    The Airbus A320 landed safely, with none of the 132 passengers and five crew members on board injured, British Airways spokesman Michael Johnson said.
    The plane was fine, too, he said.
    Still, authorities worry that careless drone use will eventually lead to a catastrophe.
    "Thankfully the aircraft landed safely but the incident highlights the very real dangers of reckless, negligent and some times malicious use of drones," Chief Superintendent Martin Hendy, head of Metropolitan Police Service's Aviation Policing Command said in a statement. "We continue to work with the Civil Aviation Authority and other partners to tackle this issue and ensure that enthusiasts who fly drones understand the dangers and the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Watch the sparks fly as drones are now a serious treat to air traffic.


    Investigations launched after suspected drone strikes passenger jet in London
    By Tim Hume and Richard Allen Greene, CNN
    Updated 1:33 PM ET, Mon April 18, 2016
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/17/europe...strikes-plane/

    London (CNN)Did a drone hit an airliner trying to land at London's Heathrow Airport?

    The pilot of a British Airways flight certainly thinks so, and now authorities would like to find out who might have been behind the weekend incident.
    British Airways Flight BA727 from Geneva was approaching Heathrow on Sunday afternoon when what the pilot believed to be a drone struck the front of the aircraft, London Metropolitan Police said. The plane was 1,700 feet in the air at the time, police said.
    The Airbus A320 landed safely, with none of the 132 passengers and five crew members on board injured, British Airways spokesman Michael Johnson said.
    The plane was fine, too, he said.
    Still, authorities worry that careless drone use will eventually lead to a catastrophe.
    "Thankfully the aircraft landed safely but the incident highlights the very real dangers of reckless, negligent and some times malicious use of drones," Chief Superintendent Martin Hendy, head of Metropolitan Police Service's Aviation Policing Command said in a statement. "We continue to work with the Civil Aviation Authority and other partners to tackle this issue and ensure that enthusiasts who fly drones understand the dangers and the law.
    Someone pointed out to me that airliners can hit flocks of birds and survive. Following that and some googling, I then read about the threats were more to do with someone landing a bomb on one parked in an airport than a risk to one in flight.

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    No, birds down planes and birds are not made of metal and weight up to the 70 pound limit. Ever see what a 2 kg bird can do to an airplane?

    We used to launch model rockets and we're well taught about the rules, people have been flying R/C planes for decades without major issues because they follow rules. Drones that can go 5,000 feet up can be flown by almost anyone without even a thought about the risks.
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    Planes can and do hit flocks of birds and survive but bird strikes can also bring planes down:

    Bird strike incidents

    Even when they don't bring planes down, bird strikes also cause hundreds of millions of dollars damage every year.

    Air safety is an area where we expend a huge amount of effort on safety as no matter how low the risk is the consequences are high. Given the range of drones they are going to have to be regulated more like a regular aircraft than RC planes.

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    ^yeah, I'd imagine if a drone got sucked into an engine, it wouldn't be good, especially a plane trying to land.

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    Doesn't even have to be an engine. A bird hitting a helicopter can do this:


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    I don't give a crap what kind of tolerances airliners are built with. I don't want to be on one when it hits some dude's drone because he wants a cool shot.
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    Spotted this on Facebook.



    When you fly a drone or UAV over or near an Alberta wildfire, you’re breaking the law and endangering firefighting personnel and may cause firefighting operations to stop.

    Before you fly your drone or UAV, make sure you understand the rules that apply and follow them. Not doing so could cost you up to $25,000 in fines.

    For more information, please visit: tc.gc.ca/SafetyFirst

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    Now they have countermeasures

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    the dutch may have a better answer (of course the dutch always say they have a better answer ):

    https://youtu.be/HifO-ebmE1s

    A video released on Sunday by Dutch police shows an eagle swooping in at high speed to pluck a DJI Phantom out of the air using its talons. The drone is immediately disabled as the bird carries it off.


    "The bird sees the drone as prey and takes it to a safe place, a place where there are no other birds or people," project spokesman Marc Wiebes told Dutch News.nl. "That is what we are making use of in this project."
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    Edmonton police lay 1st charges in relation to dangerous use of a drone

    On Wednesday, Sept. 7, an officer noticed a drone flying in a “dangerous manner” downtown in the area of 105 Avenue and 104 Street. Police said the drone, or Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV), was being flown over buildings, roads, the MacEwan LRT Station and around Rogers Place.

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    New rules for flying recreational drones in Canada revealed

    The rules, which are effective immediately, mean recreational users will face a fine of up to $3,000 if drones weighing more than 250 grams are caught flying:


    • Higher than 90 metres.
    • Within 75 metres of buildings, vehicles, vessels, animals or people.
    • More than 500 metres away from the user.
    • At night, in clouds or somewhere you can't see it.
    • Within nine kilometres of somewhere aircraft take off or land, or a forest fire.
    • Without your name, address and phone number marked on the drone itself.
    • Over forest fires, emergency response scenes or controlled airspace.

    Basically this means no drones in a lot of urban areas. Might be a bit too restrictive although if it's a problem then I could see these being relaxed over time.

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    ^The article mentions recreational drones. What about non recreational drones. I thought we were moving in the direction of things getting delivered to us by drones. Surely working drones will encounter the same things recreational drones would. Or does this mean the use of working drones has been sidelined.
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    As the article also mentions, commercial drones will continue under the same rules all ready in place for them:

    Garneau pointed out that people who use drones for commercial, academic or research reasons already have to get a special certificate, and most fly them safely.

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    I was thinking dog parks could be good place to fly a personal drone until I seen they have to be kept within 75 metres of animals. I'm surprised it does not mention power poles, electrical wires, transformers.
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    Pretty sure most dog owners at the dog parks really don't want drones buzzing their animals.

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    Well, it seems there are not going to be many places were city dwellers can fly those things. I have nothing against them as long as they get flown safely which I think most people would do. Then there is people who are not going to care and spoil it for the rest.
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    These rules were the same guidelines in place for the past few years. However, this round they included no clouds and no night flying and the need to identify the drone.

    Not going to lie, I did break some of the guidelines in the past...mostly the part about being within visual distance. But I was always careful to keep it under 100m to avoid the low flying planes and helis.

    There are still couple of spots where I can launch these things inside the city, but its become severely hampered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    As the article also mentions, commercial drones will continue under the same rules all ready in place for them:

    Garneau pointed out that people who use drones for commercial, academic or research reasons already have to get a special certificate, and most fly them safely.
    Some of the professional drone video I have watched is truly amazing. One through Venice, Italy that gave a bird's eye view, through the narrow streets, along the canals and under the little bridges was super cool. Hope that being able to make such HQ drone videos is not hampered by new regulations.

    What I am amazed is that you find drones on store shelves everywhere but I have only seen a few in use.
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    Could be a business in waiting if someone wanted to charge a fee for people to fly their drones on their acreage or farm. $5 an hour to soar over the land, treetops.
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    drones are illegal to fly in city limits with out a flight path and approval by Transport Canada. While serves many uses I FPV race with them all the time. I build them. So anything you like to know from how to wire, what flight controller to use, what ESC, camera etc...gladly help you. My racing drone does 150 kmh

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    Like most on the thread I don't have an issue with Drones when operated properly and respectfully.

    During the summer we have a couple folks that fly them in the local green space and have a gas with them ... where they are and the heights they fly them at they will not be effected by these rules.

    I also don't think they are very restrictive ... they are looser that the rules for flying remote control aircraft or control line aircraft (remember the small ones that fly in circles on lines) which are outright banned by a city bylaw. Found out the hard way flying one with my kid years ago ... blew me away.

    All said the rules outlined are pretty fair and reasonable IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Hinderks View Post
    Like most on the thread I don't have an issue with Drones when operated properly and respectfully.

    During the summer we have a couple folks that fly them in the local green space and have a gas with them ... where they are and the heights they fly them at they will not be effected by these rules.

    I also don't think they are very restrictive ... they are looser that the rules for flying remote control aircraft or control line aircraft (remember the small ones that fly in circles on lines) which are outright banned by a city bylaw. Found out the hard way flying one with my kid years ago ... blew me away.

    All said the rules outlined are pretty fair and reasonable IMO
    I advise anyone who fly's to get a MAAC membership for it comes with insurance. Ive crashed my drones before to have the engines catch fire . so if in a field of tall grass, there be a huge liability . Best be safe than sorry

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    There is an interesting article today but how a US ally (I am guessing Israel), shot down a $200 drone with a $3m patriot missile.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/wo...eneral-reveals

    A U.S. General has revealed that an American ally used a Patriot missile costing about $3 million to destroy a small quadcopter drone.

    “That quadcopter that cost 200 bucks from Amazon.com did not stand a chance against a Patriot,” Gen. David Perkins told an audience at the Association of the United States Army’s Global Force symposium in Alabama earlier this week. “Now, that worked, they got it, OK, and we love Patriot missiles.”

    Patriots are designed to shoot down enemy aircraft and are being touted as a way to also destroy ballistic missiles. Perkins did not provide details on which U.S. ally used the Patriot to shoot down the drone. However, he did say it was a “very close ally.”

    But Perkins acknowledged the decision to use the sophisticated surface to air missile against the drone may have been a case of overkill. “I’m not sure that’s a good economic exchange ratio,” he told the audience. “In fact, if I’m the enemy, I’m thinking, ‘Hey, I’m just gonna get on eBay and buy as many of these quadcopters as I can and expend all the Patriot missiles out there’.”

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    The Dutch just use a bird...



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    Quote Originally Posted by champking View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Hinderks View Post
    Like most on the thread I don't have an issue with Drones when operated properly and respectfully.

    During the summer we have a couple folks that fly them in the local green space and have a gas with them ... where they are and the heights they fly them at they will not be effected by these rules.

    I also don't think they are very restrictive ... they are looser that the rules for flying remote control aircraft or control line aircraft (remember the small ones that fly in circles on lines) which are outright banned by a city bylaw. Found out the hard way flying one with my kid years ago ... blew me away.

    All said the rules outlined are pretty fair and reasonable IMO
    I advise anyone who fly's to get a MAAC membership for it comes with insurance. Ive crashed my drones before to have the engines catch fire . so if in a field of tall grass, there be a huge liability . Best be safe than sorry
    Excellent advice, should have thought of it myself but glad you caught it. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    The Dutch just use a bird...



    Costs just 3 mice a day
    Quite a number in the USA have been doing this for a while with Falcons. Started as bird control and then added/retrained for Drones. Some actually have a fine chain mail for their talons to protect them from the rotors.

    Mother Nature wins again .... but they cost a tad (sarcasm) more than 3 mice a day. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Could be a business in waiting if someone wanted to charge a fee for people to fly their drones on their acreage or farm. $5 an hour to soar over the land, treetops.
    Or you get a SPOC which exempts you from most of the limitations. The requirements to get such a certificate?

    How to apply

    Send a detailed application to the Transport Canada Civil Aviation Regional Office in the region where you intend to fly your UAV. Your application must contain all information required by the Transport Canada SFOC staff instruction, including:

    • your contact information
    • a description of how, when, and where you plan to use your UAV
    • a detailed plan that explains how you will deal with safety risks


    Big whoopity do. You type an email and wait two weeks. Doesn't even cost anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Could be a business in waiting if someone wanted to charge a fee for people to fly their drones on their acreage or farm. $5 an hour to soar over the land, treetops.
    Or you get a SPOC which exempts you from most of the limitations. The requirements to get such a certificate?

    How to apply

    Send a detailed application to the Transport Canada Civil Aviation Regional Office in the region where you intend to fly your UAV. Your application must contain all information required by the Transport Canada SFOC staff instruction, including:

    • your contact information
    • a description of how, when, and where you plan to use your UAV
    • a detailed plan that explains how you will deal with safety risks


    Big whoopity do. You type an email and wait two weeks. Doesn't even cost anything.
    It's illegal to earn money or do work with a hobby craft / drone... need approval with flight plan as per transport Canada. It's very tough to get as there is no formal paperwork, you kinda got to draw it up on your own. Most guys will charge a couple grand just for paper work

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    Quote Originally Posted by champking View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Could be a business in waiting if someone wanted to charge a fee for people to fly their drones on their acreage or farm. $5 an hour to soar over the land, treetops.
    Or you get a SPOC which exempts you from most of the limitations. The requirements to get such a certificate?

    How to apply

    Send a detailed application to the Transport Canada Civil Aviation Regional Office in the region where you intend to fly your UAV. Your application must contain all information required by the Transport Canada SFOC staff instruction, including:

    • your contact information
    • a description of how, when, and where you plan to use your UAV
    • a detailed plan that explains how you will deal with safety risks


    Big whoopity do. You type an email and wait two weeks. Doesn't even cost anything.
    It's illegal to earn money or do work with a hobby craft / drone... need approval with flight plan as per transport Canada. It's very tough to get as there is no formal paperwork, you kinda got to draw it up on your own. Most guys will charge a couple grand just for paper work
    Have you actually done it ? cause I have and unless things have changed in the last year it not as easy as you think.

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    A drone at Ogaki Park in Gifu Prefecture on Saturday (November 4) spun out of control, injuring six people.
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    Assassination drones or drones used on mass to kill thousands.

    'Slaughterbots' film shows potential horrors of killer drones

    By Matt McFarland November 14, 2017: 1:07 PM ET
    Perhaps the most nightmarish, dystopian film of 2017 didn't come from Hollywood. Autonomous weapons critics, led by a college professor, put together a horror show.
    It's a seven-minute video, a collaboration between University of California-Berkeley professor Stuart Russell and the Future of Life Institute that shows a future in which palm-sized, autonomous drones use facial recognition technology and on-board explosives to commit untraceable massacres.
    http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/14/tech...-ai/index.html
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    Slaughterbots is a disturbing short film by the group the "Campaign to Stop Killer Robots".

    It fits in your hand and it can kill you faster than a blink of your eye with 3 grams of shaped charge explosive






    And they can be deployed by the millions in minutes


    The Future of Life Institute (an AI watchdog organization that has made a name for itself through its campaign to stop killer robots) released a nightmarish short film imagining a future where smart drones kill. The short is called ‘Slaughterbots,’ and it channels the near-future dystopias depicted in Black Mirror in an attempt to raise awareness about the dangers of autonomous weapons.


    http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...ot_be_stopped/
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