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    Plain old galvanized corrugated metal can also look great.
    Yes, it reminds of all those cement dirt floor houses in Honduras. Stunning
    Nothing’s much plainer than boring old drywall (gypsum board) but look how ubiquitous it is and embraced by nearly every homeowner.


    Here’s some more of that horrible corrugated steel that it seems you feel should be relegated to the scrap heap:


    https://inhabitat.com/wp-content/blo...-5-889x549.jpg


    https://inhabitat.com/wp-content/blo...-6-889x501.jpg


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d6/08/12/d...5ce917a86e.jpg



    Like modernist architecture, brass (and shag rugs) is even coming back into fashion:



    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4b/d0/6a/4...2c9350a8ca.jpg

    Ridge or standing seam:


    https://www.aurubis.com/binaries/con...rdic-royal.jpg
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    Did they botch the installation of the steel cladding? If you compare the webcam view from July 23 to July 25 it appears they went from a bunch of installed steel on the roof back to.. zero.

    https://www.epl.ca/milner-live-cam/

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    Drab gray is so “In” these days. Plus it ages well.


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    Oh dear, that's not looking very promising.

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    I'm not so worried about the finishings, more the shape. I'm afraid it's going to become known as "the boat".

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    I'm looking forward to seeing the cladding on the front. Personally I don't really care if the back looks a bit utilitarian. The front is the important piece and I can't wait to see how they use traditionally straight material to achieve those swoops and angles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    I'm not so worried about the finishings, more the shape. I'm afraid it's going to become known as "the boat".
    not a fear that i share...

    boats, by design, almost always have an elegance that is lacking here, at least on the outside.

    the library's interior spaces may - i'm hopefull still - turn out to be quite striking but the last thing its exterior - for which i don't have much hope left - is going to be confused with is nautically elegant.
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    It may look really cool when completed.

    However, what I’ve repeatedly noted is that the architecture sketches always seem to show something quite interesting. From there the builders can do one of two things:

    1) they could create something that exceeds the conceptual drawing, or

    2) they can create something that is quite underwhelming compared to the original concept

    Here in Edmonton (and other places) far too often the product repeatedly gets ‘toned down’ from the features and characteristics in the drawings that basically inspired the desision makers to choose that design in the first place.



    Note the roof and all the glass in this original sketch up:


    https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1..._300/image.jpg

    Well distributed light in the interior in the original sketch up:

    http://www.teeplearch.com/wp-content...interior_1.jpg
    Reducing the skylights to just a few concentrated openings creates an undesirable “spotlight” effect. Though I guess the northerly angle will somewhat prevent that during most of the year.



    Then the amazing roof was reduced to a couple skylights:


    https://d4804za1f1gw.cloudfront.net/...iew-winter.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    I'm looking forward to seeing the cladding on the front. Personally I don't really care if the back looks a bit utilitarian. The front is the important piece and I can't wait to see how they use traditionally straight material to achieve those swoops and angles.
    good architecture extends to all sides, particuarly when all sides front streets and plaza spaces. without that you're reducing architecture to being the modern incarnation of western storefronts/facadism. imagine if city hall had only paid attention to the front...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    It may look really cool when completed.

    However, what I’ve repeatedly noted is that the architecture sketches always seem to show something quite interesting. From there the builders can do one of two things:

    1) they could create something that exceeds the conceptual drawing, or

    2) they can create something that is quite underwhelming compared to the original concept

    Here in Edmonton (and other places) far too often the product repeatedly gets ‘toned down’ from the features and characteristics in the drawings that basically inspired the desision makers to choose that design in the first place.



    Note the roof and the glass in this original sketch up:


    https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1..._300/image.jpg
    Are you sure that's the chosen design? Cause I don't think that's what we're getting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    It may look really cool when completed.

    However, what I’ve repeatedly noted is that the architecture sketches always seem to show something quite interesting. From there the builders can do one of two things:

    1) they could create something that exceeds the conceptual drawing, or

    2) they can create something that is quite underwhelming compared to the original concept

    Here in Edmonton (and other places) far too often the product repeatedly gets ‘toned down’ from the features and characteristics in the drawings that basically inspired the desision makers to choose that design in the first place.



    Note the roof and the glass in this original sketch up:


    https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1..._300/image.jpg
    except even that's not the design that was "chosen in the first place" (never mind that it's also not the final design that's being built).

    this was what was chosen (sorry about the image size):





    both images are from the city's website ( http://transformingedmonton.ca/downt...ectural-style/ ).
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    Yeah in my mind, that was far superior to the squared off version with all the skylights.

    Horizontal cladding of alternating finishes with short but wide windows would have worked and the interior lighting from short wide windows is far preferable to tall thin or small square openings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    I'm looking forward to seeing the cladding on the front. Personally I don't really care if the back looks a bit utilitarian. The front is the important piece and I can't wait to see how they use traditionally straight material to achieve those swoops and angles.
    good architecture extends to all sides, particuarly when all sides front streets and plaza spaces. without that you're reducing architecture to being the modern incarnation of western storefronts/facadism. imagine if city hall had only paid attention to the front...
    Fair point. I guess I shouldn't have said I don't care what the back looks like. It's really more like I'll consider the back once I see the front and street-level finished, because in my experience a partially finished project always looks lacklustre to a degree and is easier to criticize.

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    Except that the back is also really a "front" as it also overlooks a plaza, and is the view that people see approaching City Hall from Jasper Avenue and up 100th Street as well as guests staying at the Westin. There is no back alley out of sight vistas of this building - every side is prominent. That why design is critical - and this design by Teeple has missed the mark,

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    Still, the entire podium still has to be done. This piece might not look quite so out of place in context.

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    I know that this renovation is much more than just the architectural flavour, but when it comes to looks, I honestly think I would prefer the silent and utilitarian look the library had before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    I know that this renovation is much more than just the architectural flavour, but when it comes to looks, I honestly think I would prefer the silent and utilitarian look the library had before.
    I never thought I would say this but I agree. At this stage the library looks embarrassing. Hopefully that will change.

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    I'm starting to realise this building is going to be just as ugly as I feared.... so who do we go about blaming for this?

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    I never had high hopes from day one of this project and sadly my fears have been realized. It may even be worse than expected.

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    Prove us wrong library, we all hope you do. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron_Lloyd View Post
    I'm starting to realise this building is going to be just as ugly as I feared.... so who do we go about blaming for this?
    Council. And EDC for not having the balls to be forceful to push for a better design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Prove us wrong library, we all hope you do. :/
    Too late now - the lipstick is on the pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    There is nothing at all wrong with the original modernist design.
    I concur. The revamp seems like an attempt to make the Milner "groove" with the art gallery and maybe some of the other structures surrounding Churchill. But I don't really see the point of that. The library is what it is, reflective of the era in which it was built. If anything, it's the later buildings that should bow to the older ones(which is not to say they have to copy the styles directly).

    And then there is this quote...

    "There are so many public libraries in the world that are stunning, that make a statement, and ours looks like we don’t really think highly of it.”

    So what exactly are we saying, in effect, to the people who designed and built the Milner back in '67, not to mention the officials who approved the design? "Wow, you guys sure didn't care about that library, did you?" I suspect they would disagree with that insinuation.
    we screwed with the original design with that screwy molson plaza, we screwed with the original design when we took out the landscape beds that are integral to brutalist architecture and replaced them with rocks in mortar meant to say “don’t come here” and we really screwed with it with the original addition on the north side. you might say what we’re doing with it now maintains a well established and regretful tradition.
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    My lay anecdotal experience is that with some unconventional designs it can be nearly impossible to tell what the final product will look like. Moreover it may take a few years to grow to like unconventional designs. (Happens all the time with other products like clothing, furnishings, vehicles, etc.).

    Moreover the details can make a huge difference between something that is 95% done and 100% done. Then there’s the angle of view. Most buildings are ultimately judged by preppie on the street and from a street perspective and not 15-20 floors up. However, expect a photo or two from a less common view to dominate media.


    Note the metal cladding on the Commonwealth Community Recreation Centre pictured in this article:
    Thanks to one unorthodox architect, Edmonton is undergoing a design revolution - The Globe and Mail

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...ticle27392118/
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    My lay anecdotal experience is that with some unconventional designs it can be nearly impossible to tell what the final product will look like. Moreover it may take a few years to grow to like unconventional designs. (Happens all the time with other products like clothing, furnishings, vehicles, etc.).

    Moreover the details can make a huge difference between something that is 95% done and 100% done. Then there’s the angle of view. Most buildings are ultimately judged by preppie on the street and from a street perspective and not 15-20 floors up. However, expect a photo or two from a less common view to dominate media.


    Note the metal cladding on the Commonwealth Community Recreation Centre pictured in this article:
    Thanks to one unorthodox architect, Edmonton is undergoing a design revolution - The Globe and Mail

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...ticle27392118/
    I genuinely do think this is fair. It’s odd how much a little detail can matter. I remember thinking Edmonton Tower looked awful for a long time, but suddenly as soon as they added the signage on the building I felt really different about it.

    I love the design of Commonwealth. I think it might look fine, I just still think a flat panel VS strips would look better. However, the strips might do cool tricks with perspective once they’re visible on the wonky front portion.

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    With EPL branches like Jasper Place and Mill Woods, I hope that the Downtown Branch can end up something similar. I think the inside will be impressive.
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    Yes, unfortunately most people will never see the inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    With EPL branches like Jasper Place and Mill Woods, I hope that the Downtown Branch can end up something similar. I think the inside will be impressive.
    Haven't seen the Mill Woods branch, but the JP branch is poor, IMHO. Really dislike the design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    With EPL branches like Jasper Place and Mill Woods, I hope that the Downtown Branch can end up something similar. I think the inside will be impressive.
    Haven't seen the Mill Woods branch, but the JP branch is poor, IMHO. Really dislike the design.
    https://www.google.ca/search?q=millw...Svs4ZW8L-VqkM:

    It's really nice in person! It's small though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    With EPL branches like Jasper Place and Mill Woods, I hope that the Downtown Branch can end up something similar. I think the inside will be impressive.
    Haven't seen the Mill Woods branch, but the JP branch is poor, IMHO. Really dislike the design.
    Its a beautiful Library inside and out. Unfortunately its best served by the MWTC terminal right where it is, but which will be moving soon to accommodate being closer to where the LRT terminus is. So that the Library entrance of this splendid bit of architecture will now be situated on the wrong side and opening to the wrong side.

    But in the meantime it works fabulously with the present bus terminal.

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    Anyone got any pics? I moved out of the core and haven't seen any updates in the past couple months. The silence concerns me. lol
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    Isn't there a live cam or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Anyone got any pics? I moved out of the core and haven't seen any updates in the past couple months. The silence concerns me. lol
    It's still ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    With EPL branches like Jasper Place and Mill Woods, I hope that the Downtown Branch can end up something similar. I think the inside will be impressive.
    Yeah hopefully a lot of the interior will look like this:


    The more of this, the more impressive it will be.

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    Well I'm hopeful to see a decent amount of books there, although I admit that the library that really impresses me is the Rutherford Library on the UofA campus.
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    ^ Maybe its changed but is the Rutherford libaray the one with the tight stair case? I was in it once years ago. I felt like I was in ship descending down a gangplank.
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    I don’t know how anyone doesn’t just find the uAlberta libraries to be depressing hellscapes. They make me want to die.

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    Really?

    Love the atrium between Cameron and Rutherford.

    Between the two libraries though, even as an undergrad - preferred Rutherford.
    ... gobsmacked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seandroid View Post
    I don’t know how anyone doesn’t just find the uAlberta libraries to be depressing hellscapes. They make me want to die.
    I liked studying in them - though mostly just ended up hanging out and socializing (study 1/2 hr then go sit in Hub for an hour, then repeat.)



    Cameron was rather bland and bleak though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Really?

    Love the atrium between Cameron and Rutherford.

    Between the two libraries though, even as an undergrad - preferred Rutherford.
    Atrium between Cameron and Rutherford?

    Do you mean between North Rutherford and South Rutherford?

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    The rabbit-warren area on the top floor of Rutherford South with the half-floor where the old bound periodicals was interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    The rabbit-warren area on the top floor of Rutherford South with the half-floor where the old bound periodicals was interesting...
    Yes, one of those odd characteristics that people remember - often fondly. Not much memorable about a standardized box.






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    Well the part that impresses me about Rutherford is the massive amount of books. Some parts aren't all modern and sexy for alternative programming and activities, plain and simple it is a library. As for fancier looking libraries the MacEwan library or the Legislature library definitely look very nice. I'm funny that way though, I think a library looks good if there are books as far as the eye can see. Oh yeah, the Bruce Peel special collections in the Rutherford basement is really cool too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    Well the part that impresses me about Rutherford is the massive amount of books. Some parts aren't all modern and sexy for alternative programming and activities, plain and simple it is a library. As for fancier looking libraries the MacEwan library or the Legislature library definitely look very nice. I'm funny that way though, I think a library looks good if there are books as far as the eye can see. Oh yeah, the Bruce Peel special collections in the Rutherford basement is really cool too.
    Bruce Peel - I haven’t seen that. In the basement? All in flood proof containers I presume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
    Atrium between Cameron and Rutherford?

    Do you mean between North Rutherford and South Rutherford?
    Showing my age. In the day, Rutherford South (is that what it's called?) IIRC was called Cameron Library. Googling - yes, it's called Rutherford South.

    Dang ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
    Atrium between Cameron and Rutherford?

    Do you mean between North Rutherford and South Rutherford?
    Showing my age. In the day, Rutherford South (is that what it's called?) IIRC was called Cameron Library. Googling - yes, it's called Rutherford South.

    Dang ...
    You might be misremembering, unless they did some weird name shuffling for some reason. Cameron library is the science library in between Convocation Hall and CAB

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    ^Yeah, what we know now as "Rutherford South" was just the Rutherford Library when it was first built. Rutherford North was an expansion built in the '70s.

    See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherford_Library
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    Well the part that impresses me about Rutherford is the massive amount of books. Some parts aren't all modern and sexy for alternative programming and activities, plain and simple it is a library. As for fancier looking libraries the MacEwan library or the Legislature library definitely look very nice. I'm funny that way though, I think a library looks good if there are books as far as the eye can see. Oh yeah, the Bruce Peel special collections in the Rutherford basement is really cool too.
    Bruce Peel - I haven’t seen that. In the basement? All in flood proof containers I presume.
    Yup Bruce Peel has some extremely rare manuscripts, etc...
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    The shot, it looks like a stealth cruise ship that got beached in downtown. It even has an opening for the anchor slot.
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    The windows reflect a wonderful and harmonious uniformity with that of Edmonton Centre’s upper floors. A melding is sticck and steel across the visual landscape...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    The shot, it looks like a stealth cruise ship that got beached in downtown. It even has an opening for the anchor slot.
    Note the matching tender north across the avenue.

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    And 102 ave looks like the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
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    I haven't been on Ho Chi Minh Trail, but I'd expect it to have much more tropical jungle...
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    I’ve seen the cladding a few times and I find myself becoming disappointed with it.

    Most recently I saw it last night when there wasn’t a cloud in the sky, and maybe the sun had hidden the buildings by 7 PM but the panels lack any sort of shimmer. I don’t think I’ve seen them in clear sunlight yet.

    The vertical orientation of the panels is an odd choice. Feel like it would work better with the utilitarian W/S/E faces for the panels to move in the same direction as the windows to help with the ‘snow drift’ theme they’re going for.

    I suppose vertical panels might look better on the North face, but we won’t know until it’s cladded.

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    I see the finish product in my head already, so be prepared for tears. Everything about this is a failure si far. The only salvation is the interior. A stealth grey is not a stimulus color what so ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    I see the finish product in my head already, so be prepared for tears. Everything about this is a failure si far. The only salvation is the interior. A stealth grey is not a stimulus color what so ever.
    Grey is in. It’s everywhere.

    So get ready for a big backlash against all these new things: drab, dull and depressing.



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    “"Grey is a fascinating colour," says Tony Glenville, creative director of the school of media and communication at London College of Fashion. "Until the 20th century it was not a fashion colour, or a court colour, at all." In the early 20th century, he says, "the French expression grisette referred to working girls, women who wore drab grey, perhaps because they were meant to be invisible and blend into the background". Grey was also associated with half-mourning, according to Oriole Cullen, acting senior curator of contemporary fashion at the V&A. "If a close family member died, you wore black. But if a member of the royal family died, for example, you were expected to wear grey."”

    ...

    “Grey has had its moments in the spotlight since. After the second world war, Christian Dior famously proclaimed his adoration for the colour, painting the walls of his boutiques pearly grey and sending various "vaporous", "strong", "moth-like" and "uranium"-inspired hues down the runway. In menswear, grey became an symbol of postwar conformity – a...”



    ...


    “Key fashion shades of the 20th century
    By Tony Glenville, London College of Fashion

    1900s: Lilac; soft, feminine, misty colours such as wisteria, blush pink and eau de nil

    10s: Brilliant green, elephant's breath and Ballet Russes colours: coral, emerald, fuschia

    20s: Taupe, black, silver, beige, oatmeal and soft sage green and metallics

    30s: Pale blush pink, silver, pale lemon, pale blue, pale pink

    40s: Light navy blue; sharp, dark brown; navy, military and businesslike colours

    50s: Grey, deep violet, dark green; chic postwar shades, but not brights

    60s: Black and white, op art

    70s: Bright yellow, maroon; hippie Woodstock shades

    80s: Dynasty electric blue, reds, greens and grey. Plus Comme des Garçons and Yohji Yamamoto black

    90s: Black, with lots of grey

    2000s: Colour gets confused – anything goes!”


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    “Christian Dior famously proclaimed his adoration for the colour...”. Sounds like spin to me.
    After WWII grey was probably a cheap surplus paint. No more huge demand for painting battleships.






    A Brief History Of Car Colors — And Why Are We So Boring Now?

    I don’t think there’s one clear reason why we’ve been stuck on shades of gray, white and neutrals in the 2000s — but a quick glance at popular gadgets of our day, devices that play a big part in our everyday lives today. It makes sense, then, if you like your iPod (or later iPhone) in white, maybe you want your car in that color, too. Like the silvery gray of your HTC One? It could show up in your car too.
    White’s comeback can partly be attributed to


    https://www.consumerreports.org/cons...so-boring-now/



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    I love grey but monochomatic should never be applied entirely without any accent to give it a punch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    I love grey but monochomatic should never be applied entirely without any accent to give it a punch.
    I like it too. (Used grey tile and stone at our cabin. Looks great with old old amber coloured wood.) However, it’s sad when any cosmetic design becomes a fad. (All manufacturers are then forced to narrow down their production to follow the crowd and compete on the same fronts rather than expanding choice into a new or different area.)
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    LOL... the way you described the cabin, it caught my attention over this.
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    But isn't it all about accessorizing anyway?
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    I hope that the sun can reflect off the sides to give it a nice view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    But isn't it all about accessorizing anyway?
    Yes! The claddings, muilions, glazing, color, and others... it is how you coordinate your accessories. Here it will he a a failure for form; for function , I have to reserve judgement. A Library is a place for gathering for personal or social aspects; it is a community centre, but the presentation of this structure will say, "drop that gun and put your hand on your head!"; the sharp angles are bad fung shui forms- a needle poin/sharp points are representations of poking/jabbing/stabbing , and it states " stay away... " Then, the heavy "downer grey " added to the " stay away " articulation should pretty much tell everyonre they can go...
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    It’s the biggest architectural disaster in this city’s history. Yes even worse than the Shaw expansion that saw the Great Donna Clare Wall constructed which has obliterated the view of the river valley from Jasper Ave. The design and rustic materials being used in the new main library are simply inappropriate for the main branch of a major city that strives for international recognition. It’s crap design sold by a snake oil salesman.

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    If I recall, none of the proposed designs were good.

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    I liked this rendering a lot.





    From: http://www.teeplearch.com/portfolio/...brary-renewal/

    It’s a warmer design, it has some curves which people always seem to want, the panelling is interesting and it has nice views of Churchill Square on multiple floors.

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    That's still very similar to what we're getting. A short and fat cruise ship.

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    The shape is similar but there’s quite a few differences in the finishes and how the facade is oriented.

    This was a remodelling of the originals Milner building. It was always going to be a similar shape.

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    It’s still way too early to pass judgement on this. From experience I know that the smallest finishing details can dramatically change the look of a design (for better or worse).

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    At this point into the process and one has to wait to make judgement pretty much describes a failure imo. Tne essence and theme are not there from the get go. They use uninviting shapes , and that alone, on its own merit, has an affect on the sychosis. To start out, it should have been themed and carved with circular inspired forms- circles, 1/2 circles or wave forms for theme to represent embrace, open arms, and peace as one way of thinking; it is more than the physical optics. Uninspiring is a kind way of describing it.
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    Honestly, after checking it out in person, it looks cool. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. The glass looks really nice.

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    Gotta admit, I am quite envious of their central library:

    https://calgary.skyrisecities.com/ne...t-expectations

    Looked decent in the renders, but photos of the place look amazing and people who have been in person say its fantastic.

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    I agree. Saw it on CBC National and it is quite warm & stunning.



    How will ours compare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    Not well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    At this point into the process and one has to wait to make judgement pretty much describes a failure imo. Tne essence and theme are not there from the get go. They use uninviting shapes , and that alone, on its own merit, has an affect on the sychosis. To start out, it should have been themed and carved with circular inspired forms- circles, 1/2 circles or wave forms for theme to represent embrace, open arms, and peace as one way of thinking; it is more than the physical optics. Uninspiring is a kind way of describing it.
    Pardon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron_Lloyd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    How will ours compare?
    Not well.
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    Galvanized sheet metal armor on a pig...
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    i used to be hopeful regarding the exterior but no longer.

    i’m still hopeful on the interior...

    maybe we could just leave the “under construction” signs on site until the next exterior retrofit on the “third time lucky” theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    I agree. Saw it on CBC National and it is quite warm & stunning.



    How will ours compare?

    The 12 Most Anticipated Buildings of 2018
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    https://www.architecturaldigest.com/...ldings-of-2018
    This sure could use an “under construction” sign. Has an interesting rustic-frontier-town-gets-repurposed-in-warehouse look. Nothing beats the warm of wood with a backdrop of sterile white.

    This is cool. Reminds me of the interior of our library when it was first built.
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    My wife and I are walking around in the new Calgary library. Absolutely blown away. Right up there with Seattle and Vancouver.

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    I wonder how the municipal tax bases compare in Edmonton and Calgary.
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    This library is also a chance for schools to go visit, as well as families. As long as there are creeps hanging around, it's a big turnoff.
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    ^^The almost brand new Halifax Central Library is better than Vancouver. And they will all be better than the Milner swing and a miss.

    Can't wait to visit Calgary's new gem. Can't wait to visit the new EPL Capilano Branch this Thursday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajs View Post
    ^^The almost brand new Halifax Central Library is better than Vancouver. And they will all be better than the Milner swing and a miss.

    Can't wait to visit Calgary's new gem. Can't wait to visit the new EPL Capilano Branch this Thursday.
    This thread including most of my posts has focused purely on the cosmetics and asthetics. The functionality will be the measure of its success because once some had seen it - well that’s it. Few people return multiple times just to admire a nice or cool design. Such designs are great for City branding, marketing, tourism and the like but taxpayers and users probably prefer functionality over cosmetics. It’s wonderful to have both but functionality is critical requirement.

    So, since the cosmetic part of the library is pretty much established, I’d like to see a deeper discussion of the architecture and construction here in terms of its utility as a library. It may be a swing and hit and even a homerun in terms of its intended use.




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    Revisiting Canada's Most Hated Building - Azure Magazine

    “Hume does, however, agree with some of the criticism – namely, how the interior space can be unwieldy and is hated by the museum’s curators. “It gives them more space, but a lot of that space comes in the form of slanting walls and spaces they can’t use,” he says.”

    https://www.azuremagazine.com/articl...0-years-later/




    In other news - and design fads:

    Tūranga, The New Central Library is Christchurch, is Practically Earthquake-Proof

    “Danish architecture firm Schmidt Hammer Lassen is on a bit of a role with libraries, unveiling award-winning institutions in Denmark, Scotland, Halifax and Edmonton over the last handful of years. Their latest, sure to be another prize-earner, ...”

    “Below the metal cladding, the building meets street level with a ground floor that is envisioned as an extension of the square. Meant to express whakamanuhiri, a key cultural concept of welcoming visitors, the main entrance is open to the street, with glazed walls spanning floor to ceiling. The reception area beyond ...”


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    The problem with comparing our library to the one built in Calgary is that one had a budget of 60 million while the other had a budget of 260 million. Kind of like comparing a Ford to a Ferrari. Not really comparing apples to apples. That said, the exterior of ours is a disappointment.

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    Yeah I'm not too worried about our library. You can't have world-class of everything in your city. Is Calgary's library better? Yeah you bet. But we've got the new RAM, the amazing Winspear, the beautiful Rogers Centre.... some things are better here and some things are better there. No big deal.
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    The interiors and function of the revised Milner will be fantastic... and I will hold my comments on the exterior until it is complete, but I am not thrilled at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoForMayor View Post
    Yeah I'm not too worried about our library. You can't have world-class of everything in your city. Is Calgary's library better? Yeah you bet. But we've got the new RAM, the amazing Winspear, the beautiful Rogers Centre.... some things are better here and some things are better there. No big deal.
    i don’t think it’s a question of “world class” or not [as an aside, wasn’t that at the top of the proposed banned words/expressions list for edmonton?]. things - architectural or not - don’t have to be either world class or crap. things - architectural or not - can [should?] be well designed, well detailed and well executed without having to be world class and they should be called out when they miss the mark on any of those, not excused, so we don’t keep doing the same stupid things over and over. as i said earlier with the library’s exterior, maybe we’ll get third time lucky.
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    Anyone have a current photo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoForMayor View Post
    Yeah I'm not too worried about our library. You can't have world-class of everything in your city. Is Calgary's library better? Yeah you bet. But we've got the new RAM, the amazing Winspear, the beautiful Rogers Centre.... some things are better here and some things are better there. No big deal.
    i don’t think it’s a question of “world class” or not [as an aside, wasn’t that at the top of the proposed banned words/expressions list for edmonton?]. things - architectural or not - don’t have to be either world class or crap. things - architectural or not - can [should?] be well designed, well detailed and well executed without having to be world class and they should be called out when they miss the mark on any of those, not excused, so we don’t keep doing the same stupid things over and over. as i said earlier with the library’s exterior, maybe we’ll get third time lucky.
    I don't disagree with what you're saying, Ken. I certainly agree we could have a better product for the money spent, but I also don't think we need to have every public infrastructure project be better or equal to whatever Calgary is building at the time. Setting the bar high is great, as is calling out inferior projects, but let's set the bar ourselves. I hope that makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Anyone have a current photo?
    as of this morning:

    Untitled by cdnklc, on Flickr

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    Untitled by cdnklc, on Flickr

    ps. no need to repost to the epcor tower and stantec threads.
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    Looks like the entire building is prepped and they're ready to install the actual end product, of which a small section is visible near the swooping front/side. So contrary to the popular belief earlier in this thread, it is not essentially a standing seam roof. I'm looking forward to having a full side done so we can get a real understanding of what the finished product will look like rather than the constant barrage of negativity that this thread has turned into.
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