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    Seeing as it has constantly come up in the Rogers Place thread as a bone of contention among some members of this board, I thought that I'd settle it by creating a place to talk about the Arena District in general, including the discussion of potential and planned developments. Anything announced can then get its own thread after the fact. I'm also talking about all developments within the District, not just the EAD (Katz-WAM joint venture) developments.
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    ^ Awesome, truly an astonishing development.

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    I'm a bit interested in how the "K-block" area is going to turn out.
    It houses the casino and loading dock areas, so it was always going to be a bit difficult to integrate, but the block has a ton of street frontage, there is some risk it sticks out in this development in a pretty bad way.

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    Does anyone have information on the last 3-4 pictures regarding when it will be built. Who is responsible for building all of that retail and other space. I don't think it's really been mentioned yet, correct me if I'm wrong.

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    The EAD partnership is the one doing all of the developments immediately on the plaza.
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    As for timing, my understanding is that the retail/podium space will be completed in conjunction with the towers above. So one portion will be built with the Stantec tower, one portion with the fancy hotel, and the third portion later with whatever tower (residential, probably) goes on the Greyhound site.

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    Alright thanks! I can't wait to see how this area turns out. I hope the pictures posted become reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipsandtangles View Post
    and the third portion later with whatever tower (residential, probably) goes on the Greyhound site.
    Condos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oilers52 View Post
    Alright thanks! I can't wait to see how this area turns out. I hope the pictures posted become reality.
    ^i hope they ALL come to fruition! add in the continuing condo developments that are not shown on these pictures and it will make our downtown look absolutely fabulous!
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    Parts will, others still need a lot of work... and forcing surface lots to be paved with proper lighting, drainage and landscaped would go a LONG way in making things less dusty, unsafe and uninviting.
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    ^oh for sure, plans could change and it all isn't going up at one time i wouldn't imagine?
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    My gut tells me there will be a second wave of developments around the AED site when this innitial developements are completed. Once the standard trend is in vogue, followers will want to be apart of. With that said, it won't built on the lightening pace AED is though.

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    There was a group drilling and testing on the most southern point of the current parking lot where the plaza will be last saturday.
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    ^or Stantec...
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    That is the first I have seen of the images that really highlight the hotel and Block K property.

    Love it.

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    I really love the concept of the plaza! If there could be business after business with all the patio/ balconies all stacked looking down this will truly be amazing!!

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    Sounds like Stantec will have a similar effect in terms of being the non-arena centrepiece of the district that the JW Marriott/Ritz-Carlton building has at LA Live. Love it!
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    That's my hope, tons of roof top patios to enjoy the views and vibrancy.

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    There was geotech drilling going on the greyhound loading area just north of the building about 2 weeks ago.
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    Excellent...



    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
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    Notice the sign on the building in the middle of this image. Katz says that announcement to come. #yeg

    https://twitter.com/NicoleWeisberg/s...745921/photo/1eisberg/status/504325775793745921/photo/1[/URL]
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    My gut tells me there will be a second wave of developments around the AED site when this innitial developements are completed. Once the standard trend is in vogue, followers will want to be apart of. With that said, it won't built on the lightening pace AED is though.
    I think you're right. We have an entirely new benchmark for expectations as a city now, and seeing these things realised will in ways change who we are as a city.


    In the short term though, with the Stantec reveal behind us, I'm most interested in what could happen at the Baccarat lands:

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottieA View Post
    So just some district renders that I've compiled from the Arena thread:


    http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2805/1...743397fd_o.jpg


    http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5473/1...9647c42e_o.jpg
    Obviously placeholders, but the potential on that land could be even higher than those images portray.

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    Lovely pics. But looking at them, is anyone over the age of 30 allowed in?
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    So, in terms of the EAD itself, there's really only three big components left, is there not? The hotel directly North of the Stantec building, whatever is going on the Greyhound site, and whatever is going on the casino site. Is there any other large parcels directly related to the EAD that I'm missing? From the sounds of it, the hotel will be announced in short order. I was always a big supporter of this development, but even then, I figured it would be at least a couple years before all the pieces fell in to place. At this rate, the entire district is going to be completed by 2018, or pretty much 4.5 years from approval. Impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    Lovely pics. But looking at them, is anyone over the age of 30 allowed in?
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    I hope the purple telly tubby thing isn't the new Oilers mascott

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    ^ If I'm not mistaken, you just found Doraemon, a japanese cartoon character.

    reading between the lines, that means we're going to have a world renowned sushi chain coming into edmonton right?!?

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    ^ Oh, it's Doraemon...for some reason I thought it was a muppet (guess they're promoting diversity).

    I think they really need to work bringing in new business to Edmonton to aide the population growth. Cause they're building a lot of residential and commercial offices downtown and at the resent moment I don't think they can fill up those spaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    I hope the purple telly tubby thing isn't the new Oilers mascott
    I'm thinking smoke break during intermission at an event and cringing at the though of cigarette butts etc.

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    ^My guess is they won't be smoking in the plaza as shown. There will be designated smoking areas outside of the arena itself. People just need to be responsible and respectful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meo View Post
    ^ Oh, it's Doraemon...for some reason I thought it was a muppet (guess they're promoting diversity).

    I think they really need to work bringing in new business to Edmonton to aide the population growth. Cause they're building a lot of residential and commercial offices downtown and at the resent moment I don't think they can fill up those spaces.
    Once they're built they're there even if they fill gradually. Nice to see them going up, but I think everything will be taken. Alberta is 4.3 mil now and growing ever so rapidly. I'm hoping someone with a vested interest in the oil sands will hop on the bandwagon with a tower in nearby Edmonton such as Shell or a Chinese or other new foreign player. Why not? Both Houston and Dallas have oilmen, and San Antonio, Denver, New Orleans, OKC and Tulsa for that matter. Maybe once Cagary becomes too expensive something may spill over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by makenosmallplans View Post
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    Lovely pics. But looking at them, is anyone over the age of 30 allowed in?
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    How do you think white? And why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    How do you think white? And why?
    Maybe my eyesight is failing me but unless the kid with the dreadlocks running away with his back to us is an exception everyone else looks white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    So, in terms of the EAD itself, there's really only three big components left, is there not? The hotel directly North of the Stantec building, whatever is going on the Greyhound site, and whatever is going on the casino site. Is there any other large parcels directly related to the EAD that I'm missing?
    Actually WAM now possesses the Aurora development lands formerly owned by Carma as well.

    From the sounds of it, the hotel will be announced in short order. I was always a big supporter of this development, but even then, I figured it would be at least a couple years before all the pieces fell in to place. At this rate, the entire district is going to be completed by 2018, or pretty much 4.5 years from approval. Impressive.
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    WAM should move their offices downtown :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    I hope the purple telly tubby thing isn't the new Oilers mascott
    I'm thinking smoke break during intermission at an event and cringing at the though of cigarette butts etc.
    Once vaping catches on to the smokers tobacco products will slowly become extinct. Many tobacco user switched with no withdrawls and will never go back to tobacco. Funny government is not suggesting it as a alternative , oh yea that's right they can't tax it.
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    New Edmonton Arena District site is up: ead.ca

    New fly through video showing hotel and Stantec Tower. Looks like EAD has plans for 25 acres NE of the community arena for phase "2".

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    New 4 star Hotel images:



    HOTEL

    The Edmonton Arena District will provide a unique destination for tourists and business travellers. A new hotel with full conference facilities will allow tourists and business travellers to experience all the EAD has to offer while enjoying the luxury of an upper upscale hotel.
    DINING

    A mix of gourmet, family-friendly eateries and relaxed cafes, the Edmonton Arena District will offer a combination of gourmet or quick options to suit everyone’s needs and tastes. The outdoor square, with seating areas and heated patios, will give new meaning to all-season dining in the city.
    SHOPPING

    The Edmonton Arena District will become a cornerstone retail destination with many retail options including boutique stores, a new grocery store, pharmacy, and more.
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    So the hotel will have residential on top too.

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    ^ I think it's a bit strange to have residential on top of a hotel. Unless they're talking about residentials (hotels) like the ones in HK. Where you rent the unit for like a month or more.

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    Both towers to the immediate east of the arena are ressy. One of the surface lots on 104 St will also be a smaller ressy tower. I'm curious which buildings out of all this residential are going to be rental like the website says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meo View Post
    ^ I think it's a bit strange to have residential on top of a hotel. Unless they're talking about residentials (hotels) like the ones in HK. Where you rent the unit for like a month or more.
    Many larger cities have 'hotel and residences'... premium units with hotel services.
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    I like the amount of retail spaces they have planned. Wondering if they can secure an american department store such as Macy's or Nordstrom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
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    ^ I think it's a bit strange to have residential on top of a hotel. Unless they're talking about residentials (hotels) like the ones in HK. Where you rent the unit for like a month or more.
    Many larger cities have 'hotel and residences'... premium units with hotel services.
    Yep, that's the business model of the Trump Hotel and Residences chain. Mind you those are five star hotels, but same idea.
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    The 'other' hotel and office on the bacarrat site are now labelled Residential. Regardless of what it ends up being, I just hope the casino isnt still standing when the arena opens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    I like the amount of retail spaces they have planned. Wondering if they can secure an american department store such as Macy's or Nordstrom.
    To be fair, a lot of that 'retail' space will be food and beverage oriented, as well as a flagship Rexall Drugs and possible grocery store. Would be great to have a signature department store, but less likely. One can hope.
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    The hotel/residence will look fantastic if built as illustrated. I cannot wait to view the skykine in 5 yrs.

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    New renders for the arena district are up:
    http://www.rogersplace.com/arena-district-renderings/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottieA View Post
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    ^ I think it's a bit strange to have residential on top of a hotel. Unless they're talking about residentials (hotels) like the ones in HK. Where you rent the unit for like a month or more.
    Many larger cities have 'hotel and residences'... premium units with hotel services.
    Yep, that's the business model of the Trump Hotel and Residences chain. Mind you those are five star hotels, but same idea.
    Still weird to me but then again it's obviously not geared towards someone like me.

    I'm really loving how the plaza/square is looking with the retail shops and such. I hope it comes to fruition.

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    They're continuing to update throughout the day.

    (Both are clickable to their full size)

    Parking facilities:

    http://ead.ca/ead/uploads/block/3/be...king-v4-01.jpg

    Pedway system connection:

    http://ead.ca/ead/uploads/block/2/76...dway-v4-01.jpg

    Transit connection (nothing that we didn't already know, but a new image nonetheless):

    http://ead.ca/ead/uploads/block/1/a4...-lrt-v4-01.jpg
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    Wow, 4,000 new underground stalls. Wasn't Bill Mah's piece in the Journal complaining about loosing parking space lol.

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    Loving those pedway connections

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    He's the short blurb that they have regarding the hotel, which they have confirmed, on the website, will be a 4-star:



    HOTEL

    The Edmonton Arena District will provide a unique destination for tourists and business travellers. A new hotel with full conference facilities will allow tourists and business travellers to experience all the EAD has to offer while enjoying the luxury of an upper upscale hotel.
    http://ead.ca/#/play.html
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    Every single person going to the game could be from outside of downtown and take their own vehicles and there'd still be parking left.
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    Rental apartments:

    RENTAL APARTMENTS

    Premium quality rental apartments provide another tailored option for individuals wanting to live in the Edmonton Arena District with access to neighbourhood amenities. The tower will provide a unique living option, where residents will be steps away from the best shopping, dining, retail and entertainment. When you rent within the Edmonton Arena District the world will know you have arrived. Please stay tuned for more information on rental apartments.
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    ^^ That would depend on how many parking stalls are allocated for the residential/commercial owners. 2400 for the arena doesn't mean 2400 public parking stalls.

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    Within 10 minute walk, lots and lots of parking.
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    On their parking map, they're showing Fox and Ultima sites as surface lots.

    Stuff is moving so fast around here that maps can get outdated in short time periods!

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    Not to mention the fact that parking at Northlands is $15 and some of the spots (especially further south) are at least a ten minute walk to the arena.

    I'd say worst case scenario is that Downtown is a wash for pricing/distance. Even a parkade like Chateau Lacombe is an 11 minute walk to the arena (according to Google).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSPACE View Post
    Within 10 minute walk, lots and lots of parking.
    With 4,000 underground stalls being built by Katz in the EAD alone, we won't need to worry about parking. For reference sake, Rexall has around 6,250 and some of the stalls are 1 km away from the building.

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    The pedestalled residential up on top of the Hotel and Stantec tower in particular could vault downtown residential and downtown itself into a new realm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSPACE View Post
    Within 10 minute walk, lots and lots of parking.
    With 4,000 underground stalls being built by Katz in the EAD alone, we won't need to worry about parking. For reference sake, Rexall has around 6,250 and some of the stalls are 1 km away from the building.
    just between the proposed ead stalls and ours, there will be more parking within 1/2 block of the new arena than northlands has on their entire site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meo View Post
    ^^ That would depend on how many parking stalls are allocated for the residential/commercial owners. 2400 for the arena doesn't mean 2400 public parking stalls.
    and northlands' stalls aren't all for rexall place either. they share them with expo centre and the racetrack and anything else going on in the area.
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    Edmonton arena a top project on continent: Oilers owner

    By Staff The Canadian Press

    '...He says more than 9,000 square metres of retail space have already been spoken for.'

    http://globalnews.ca/news/1532278/ed...-oilers-owner/
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    ^97,000 sq. ft. approximately. My guess is grocery (30k), Rexall Drugs (20k), 4-5 restobars at 10k each, some smaller fast food outlets.
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    Katz, who is behind much of the arena district’s development, says more than $2.5 billion in construction is already started or expected in the next six months.
    Wow, that is astonishing, amazing what a few short years have made.

    So what projects are in the $2.5 billion?

    $500 Stantec tower
    $600 arena and wintergarden
    $300 COE tower

    That is $1.4 billion, I guess the hotel, condos, casino, etc will be another $1.1 billion (give or take), should create a ton of jobs and add a lot of money to the CRL in the next few years

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    ^ i.e., even with Stantec, we're barely half-way through the announcements.
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    Although perhaps just a place holder, the hotel is looking great!

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    South of the former Roost night club actually... The lot is part of the Greyhound.

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    Wow!!!! More then 1000 resi units in phase 1!!! This is truly amazing what Katz is doing for Edmonton! I bet edmonton is going to explode with development, would not doubt for a second if we see some new companies moving to edmonton also a few smaller firms relocating to quality rental space downtown!

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    John MacKinnon: Peek at expanded vision for downtown Edmonton Arena District all about possibility

    EDMONTON - Time flies when you're delivering on a pledge to create "Canada's largest mixed-use sports and entertainment development," doesn't it?

    Can it really be seven-and-a-half years since Edmonton pharmacy billionaire Daryl Katz submitted a surprise $145 million bid to purchase the Oilers from the Edmonton Investors Group, ruffling the feathers of many in that civic-minded group of 38 who had saved the NHL club from possible relocation?

    What is it, just a little more than six years since the sale closed, for $200 million, for the Oilers, the WHL's Oil Kings and other assets?

    Has it already been two years since Edmonton City Council, following four years of fractious negotiations, approved the design of what will be called Rogers Place and be the home of the OIlers, beginning in the Fall of 2016?

    Well, buckle up, Edmonton, the Katz Group and WAM Development Group provided the first panoramic glimpse of the Edmonton Arena District on Thursday, the broad brush strokes of a mammoth downtown renovation.
    The EAD footprint will cover more than 25 acres of downtown Edmonton, from 101 Street to 104 Street and from 103 AVe. to 106 Ave.

    Phase 1 of the project alone will include 1.3 million square feet of office space, more than 1,000 residential units and more than 215,000 or retail space.
    Thursday's presentation was light on specific components of the district, although the list includes an upscale hotel, a Rexall Pharmacy, of course, a fitness centre, banking and, significant this, in light of the closure of two food outlets, a grocery store.Not to mention the 62-storey Stantec office tower.
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    'They own the lot west of Greyhound, south of Mercer? Awesome.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective View Post
    The 'other' hotel and office on the bacarrat site are now labelled Residential. Regardless of what it ends up being, I just hope the casino isnt still standing when the arena opens.

    Yeah, I won't lie, I am slightly disappointed by that.

    I thought tying in a hotel to the casino site would have provided the right ingredients for a 5-Star Hotel, or at least a very unique and exciting 4-Star.


    Not to say the hotel won't be exciting, but having a hotel/casino building would have been another attraction for people that aren't necessarily interested in the Oilers or the Winter Garden nightlife/retail.

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    Any guesses on the 4-star hotel brand?

    Examples of:

    Hyatt
    Sheraton
    Marriott
    Hilton
    Sheraton
    Le Germain
    InterContinental
    Renaissance
    Crowne Plaza (doubt it)
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    My preferences:

    1. Le Germain
    2. Hyatt
    3. Sheraton
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    W Hotels is the perfect match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    W Hotels is the perfect match.
    They might disagree, haha.

    But I think everyone in Edmonton would be thrilled with that, myself included

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    New details released for Edmonton downtown arena district
    BY DAVE LAZZARINO, EDMONTON SUN
    FIRST POSTED: THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2014


    Edmonton took a gamble on a new arena. Now out-of-towners can try their luck as well with new hotel and casino added to the downtown development mix.

    Cards normally held close to the chest were laid down Thursday as the Katz Group's Daryl Katz and Darren Durstling of WAM Development Group released their most detailed set of plans for Edmonton's downtown yet.

    *"There is no project like this anywhere," said an uncharacteristically relaxed and talkative Katz, as he walked media through artist renderings and pointed out major elements from the windows of his 17th floor offices in the Bell Tower on 103 Avenue.
    Arena district numbers:

    $1.1 billion -- cost of development already being done by EAD

    $1.5 billion -- projected cost of work to be started in the next six months

    3.7 million -- expected number of yearly visitors to the area

    1.2 million -- square footage of office space to be added to the area by 2019

    60,000 -- square footage of the new casino to be built

    2,200 -- underground parking spots in the new parked beneath the outdoor square

    4 million -- total square footage of development including the arena

    215,000 -- square feet of retail space being built

    60 per cent to 70 per cent -- of retail space that is already spoken for


    Source: Edmonton Arena District*
    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/08/2...arena-district

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    My preferences:

    1. Le Germain
    2. Hyatt
    3. Sheraton
    1. Le Germain
    2. Pan Pacific

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    I doubt it would be a Hyatt if the Quarters hotel is a Hyatt. The initial look reminds me of the Mandarin in Vegas, we will know soon enough!!

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    Living Shangri-La anyone?
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    Terry Jones article on Katz presentation - piece has a couple of shots at naysayers
    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/08/2...class-in-scope
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Living Shangri-La anyone?
    I wish But Shangri-La is 5 star

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    Derp! Yes, you're right! Never mind then.
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    Could this be a "hint"?

    The upper upscale hotel with the upper upscale condos on the higher floors, like the Ritz Carleton at L.A. Live, is going to go over there. The cinema complex will be over there.
    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/08/2...class-in-scope
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    Default Katz unveils new details of Edmonton Arena District mega-project

    We are building more in Phase 1 in Edmonton than they have built to date after 12 or 15 years at L.A. Live,” Katz said.

    “We have a world-class sports and entertainment district under construction now in the city and nobody really knows about it.”

    Darren Durstling, CEO of WAM, said, “It’s been the quietest $2-billion development of all time.”

    A 55,000-60,000-square- foot casino is slated to go in a building just east of the arena that will also house Oilers and Katz Group offices and a practice rink.

    East of the arena, on the high-profile corner of 101st Street and 104th Avenue, plans are still being developed for a “trophy” development.

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/busin..._lsa=32cc-c04b
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    Another office tower? Katz Group anchor tenant

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    Dam, this gets better and better every day!!!

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    Yah... it like getting a hugh rain storm after a long drought. It just pours and pours. Hope we get a major flooding lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rico View Post
    Another office tower? Katz Group anchor tenant
    No. The Oilers office is part of the arena but separate. Its located on the SE corner of the arena.

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    ^^ We'll need to load the animals two by two.
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    Be interesting to see what happens with Phase 2 NW of the new arena. That's the former Aurora site, right?
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    ^ the site NW of of the new arena is indeed the former Aurora site, but Phase 2 of EAD seems to refer to the Bacarrat site. I suppose (although it hasn't been mentioned anywhere I've seen) that the former Aurora site would be Phase 3.
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    on one of the render, it showed an illustration of a condo which i assume is just a place holder.

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    I just noticed this in John MacKinnon's piece:

    a low-slung building dubbed Block K that will house the Katz Group and Oilers offices and a casino.
    If that's accurate, the new Casino is already under construction at the Southeast corner of the arena site,

    Can hardly wait for more announcements (to hopefully clarify) and maybe even a render...
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