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    Default McCauley revitalization needs to regain focus.

    After reading this article http://globalnews.ca/news/1567353/ap...e-in-mccauley/ I can't help but feel betrayed. On one hand, the city says that it wants to make downtown safer and more attractive for families and then on the other, it allows this.

    I have pasted the 10 guiding principles for the McCauley Revitalization Strategy. The most interesting points that relate to the body rub parlor are #5 and #10.
    1. Connect Chinatown and Little Italy with downtown and surrounding areas
    2. Strengthen cultural character in Chinatown and Little Italy
    3. Develop strong East-West pedestrian connections between Chinatown and Little Italy
    4. Attract market housing
    5. Encourage major anchors to promote the area as a destination choice for citizens as well as tourists
    6. Create an interconnected network of walkable open spaces, streets and community gardens
    7. Program Year-round community events
    8. Recognize 96 Street (Church Street) as a major heritage destination
    9. Promote sustainability and high quality public realm
    10. Reinforce the fine-grain
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    ^ Personal Service Shops (which include body rub centres) are an allowed use in the area - if there was no legal reason not to approve it, the city might not have had much choice. The decision is being appealed, and the appeal board is in a much better position to deny the development.

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    Another resident pointing out sub par police services for McCauley! I watch every day police drive by everyday, let me clarify every single day! People with open alcohol,lounging on city boulevards, on the curb, on private property( which they are not welcome or invited on) and this leads to disorder,public urination/defecation ,an eyesore on Edmonton, and people passed out in public

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swillv8 View Post
    I watch every day police drive by everyday, let me clarify every single day!
    It is maddening, isn't it? A police cruiser driving by every half hour or so does nothing.

    How can we convince the city and EPS that a few beat cops walking the streets and alleys would do wonders for this area? And it wouldn't just be helpful for the people who live in this neighborhood, but also for people walking and busing though it on their way to work or school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    [How can we convince the city and EPS that a few beat cops walking the streets and alleys would do wonders for this area?
    Would it? What makes you think all the homeless/drunks/crack addicts are going to disapear if a few police are walking around? At most you will move them to other parts of the city, but likely not even that. The only way to move them, is to move what is attracting them, the shelters and similar. The cities policies though have been the reverse of that, build more, attract more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Would it? What makes you think all the homeless/drunks/crack addicts are going to disapear if a few police are walking around?
    Who said I want them to disappear?

    i walk through this area every other day, and my biggest problem is that there is no enforcement of any bylaws, so it is a complete free-for-all. People drinking out on the sidewalk, jaywalk aimlessly into traffic, urinating out in the open, fighting with each other, and shamelessly harassing people trying to walk from one end of a block to the other.

    Just because they are homeless or have mental health problems doesn't mean that they can't have some incentive to behave a bit better. And I think some police presence on the street will encourage that.

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    How to change any behaviour that is frowned upon / hence laws were created? ENFORCE THEM! We as a society have moved away from this chaotic mindset of turning a blind eye or it cannot be enforced when it comes to drinking and driving!

    And if anyone really thinks these are totally different levels of risk come walk my block every night of the week 3am and let me know how many dangerous close calls one will encounter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swillv8 View Post
    How to change any behaviour that is frowned upon / hence laws were created? ENFORCE THEM!
    Yeah, but when EPS picked up some drunks once off whyte avenue and moved them, all they got was a ton of grief about the humanity of it. There's no incentive for them to make that mistake again.

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    The eps are are lacking credibility in some areas of Edmonton for sure.

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    But why is it I can find open alcohol in less the 2 minutes if I looked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    when EPS picked up some drunks once off whyte avenue and moved them, all they got was a ton of grief about the humanity of it.
    The people who live in the Whyte Ave area are probably a little more charitable and sympathetic to homeless than the people who live in McCaulay.

    I don't even live in McCaulay, and I am at my wits end. I have to resort to rolling down my window and yelling at bums for jaywalking straight into traffic when I am driving through, and I often have to tell someone to leave me alone when they follow me and shouting me down for money while I walk down 95 or 97 Street. Not to mention the open liquor or public urination all over the place.

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    Right in the eps backyard let's not forget

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ... What makes you think all the homeless/drunks/crack addicts are going to disapear if a few police are walking around?
    Won't make anyone disappear but, while your own cops in Calgary have discovered that foot patrols do make things better, our own Edmonton Police Force is more into armored cars and helicopters ...

    http://www.newstalk770.com/2014/09/1...n-on-17th-ave/
    ... gobsmacked

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    The don't just walk around. They can dump out the alcoholic drinks of obviously intoxicated people. They can escort them off of private property when they clearly don't belong there. They can intervene in fights, de-escalate arguments and generally encourage better behaviour.

    You can't do that from a moving car.

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    Some really good points from Selhossa. Welcome to the forum

    My own suggestions would be :
    1. Build an LRT station in Little Italy
    2. Get rid of the ugly (and useless) overpass across 97St
    3. Get a mass market big business like Superstore or Wallymart to the Quarters (I know it's controversial- but nothing like a people magnet to revitalize an area). Once ppl lose their fears, they will be coming in for the scenery, little shops and art/architecture

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    Enforcing bylaw and issuing tickets is just a jail sentence for people with housing / addiction issues.

    The irony is it costs you the taxpayer more to 'punish' these people. Ticket not paid eventually leads to jail time.

    A private owned / ran Body Rub parlor is the least of McCauleys worries at this point. And I feel with the new arena the problems will get worse, not better
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    All the things highlander mentioned didn't necessarily involve issuing tickets. Yet would still be helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cal76 View Post
    Some really good points from Selhossa. Welcome to the forum

    My own suggestions would be :
    1. Build an LRT station in Little Italy
    2. Get rid of the ugly (and useless) overpass across 97St
    3. Get a mass market big business like Superstore or Wallymart to the Quarters (I know it's controversial- but nothing like a people magnet to revitalize an area). Once ppl lose their fears, they will be coming in for the scenery, little shops and art/architecture
    1. Yes. Then use the adjacent city-owned land for TOD
    2. It isn't that pretty right now, but it is a functional part of the multi-use trail. Pretty it up and move the 97 St sidewalks up to bridge level, don't remove it.
    3. Maybe, if they are willing to do small footprint, multi-storey urban format

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    This article is a good example of an area that had a genuine desire to improve but failed due to lack of focus. This is despite having a large budget.
    http://beyondchron.org/media-promote...evitalization/

    If the city truly wants to improve the conditions in this neighborhood (as well as others), they need to ask themselves what the end result would look like and base every single decision on whether or not it will bring them closer to their goal.

    I personally do not see this proposed jack shack in McCauley as a business that will help to transform this area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Komrade View Post
    Enforcing bylaw and issuing tickets is just a jail sentence for people with housing / addiction issues.
    I am sorry, but if you live in Edmonton, you have to follow Edmonton bylaws. Doesn't matter if you are homeless or not. And even people with housing and addiction issues are able to follow laws and rules when they are enforced. ignoring what they do and giving them free reign benefits nobody.

    Did you see the article posted above, where it explains that Calgary beat police actually have been directing people where to seek help when they actually want it? That's fantastic! I bet most of us here don't even know about most of the services available to help homeless people get their lives in order, so how is a homeless person (with no internet or knowledge of the wide variety of government programs) supposed to know about them unless this info comes to them first? Beat cops would be great for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ... What makes you think all the homeless/drunks/crack addicts are going to disapear if a few police are walking around?
    Won't make anyone disappear but, while your own cops in Calgary have discovered that foot patrols do make things better, our own Edmonton Police Force is more into armored cars and helicopters ...

    http://www.newstalk770.com/2014/09/1...n-on-17th-ave/
    I guess it depends who you believe, I've seen police officers give tickets to panhandlers jaywalking. Them, half an hour late, I see exactly the same panhandler doing the same jaywalking. Big deal, got a ticket, threw it in the bin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ... What makes you think all the homeless/drunks/crack addicts are going to disapear if a few police are walking around?
    Won't make anyone disappear but, while your own cops in Calgary have discovered that foot patrols do make things better, our own Edmonton Police Force is more into armored cars and helicopters ...

    http://www.newstalk770.com/2014/09/1...n-on-17th-ave/
    I guess it depends who you believe, I've seen police officers give tickets to panhandlers jaywalking. Then, half an hour later, I see exactly the same panhandler doing the same jaywalking for money walking up to cars, at the same location. Big deal, got a ticket, threw it in the bin... I don't think this is an issue the police can solve or improve, at best they just push it round to other locations, maybe the crime reported went down on 17 Ave but it probably went up around Victoria Park. This issue IMO is based in City planning, I don't think we should be surprised that certain parts of the city have serious problems, when all the facilities for people with serious problems are in those parts. For example, I don't think we should be surprised when the city puts a bunch of benches in a park, or a fancy toliet, that before you know it, that park is a new hot spot for crime. There's a certain naivety in the city, when you see surprise at something in lousie mckinley park being vandalized, and you compare that to a city downtown LRT advertisment filled with middle class people all walking around happily, that's not what it will look like if you fill it with comfortable benches, the build has to take into account who is in the area, not just who we want to be in the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    I don't think this is an issue the police can solve or improve, at best they just push it round to other locations
    So what? I still think consistent enforcement is constructive, even if it pushes it around.

    We don't stop giving speeding tickets or parking tickets just because people will always to go too fast or park in the wrong places anyway.

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    And if you have outstanding tickets when you go to update your registration, you're denied the privledge of driving. You still retain your agency & rights, you just lose some privledges.

    When we ticket homeless folks who don't have the means to pay it & lock them away for failure to pay, we are denying them agency & forcing them into a situation where they lose their rights & use our crowded prison system for punishment, rather than rehabilitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    I don't think this is an issue the police can solve or improve, at best they just push it round to other locations
    So what? I still think consistent enforcement is constructive, even if it pushes it around.

    We don't stop giving speeding tickets or parking tickets just because people will always to go too fast or park in the wrong places anyway.
    No person likes hassles, just having more cops on the ground in all problem areas could help edmonton. If a cop sees bad behaviour instead of ignoring it hassle the alcoholic by dumping their beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    When we ticket homeless folks who don't have the means to pay it & lock them away for failure to pay, we are denying them agency & forcing them into a situation where they lose their rights & use our crowded prison system for punishment, rather than rehabilitation.
    Way to miss the point.

    Locking up all the homeless isn't what I am advocating. (although some of them certainly should be in prison).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swillv8 View Post
    No person likes hassles, just having more cops on the ground in all problem areas could help edmonton. If a cop sees bad behaviour instead of ignoring it hassle the alcoholic by dumping their beer.
    Bingo. People are more afraid of getting caught than getting punished.

    But right now there is no fear of getting caught. So there's no incentive for anyone to give a crap about anything.

    The message being sent right now is - if you want to drink in public, fight, litter, relieve yourself on parked cars, stand in the middle of a busy street, and generally be a public nuisance, go to McCaulay. Nobody will ever stop you from doing anything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    The message being sent right now is - if you want to drink in public, fight, litter, relieve yourself on parked cars, stand in the middle of a busy street, and generally be a public nuisance, go to McCaulay. Nobody will ever stop you from doing anything!
    Pretty much sums up Top_Dawg's commute back to the doghouse every work day.

    And on weekends - more of the same only with a factor of 5x.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    When we ticket homeless folks who don't have the means to pay it & lock them away for failure to pay, we are denying them agency & forcing them into a situation where they lose their rights & use our crowded prison system for punishment, rather than rehabilitation.
    Way to miss the point.

    Locking up all the homeless isn't what I am advocating. (although some of them certainly should be in prison).
    So im unclear what you are advocating.

    Should they go to prison for drinking in public? Pissing in public? Jay walking? Because ticketing those with housing & addiction issues for these actions is akin to locking them up.

    If the police directed the homeless to inner-city agencies that helped them it would be different. But the last time the cops tried to 'help' they took a Van full of them on a joyride in 30+ weather.
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    ^ Of course police should be directing people in need of help to agencies that can help them. That doesn't mean they shouldn't also be dumping out alcohol, seizing drug pipes and even writing tickets. Isn't community service an alternative to jail for unpaid fines? If not it should be.

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    I think the best hope for the future would be strengthening family and community supports. The problems are very complicated. For example, why are homeless people discharged from the hospital, only to be readmitted the next day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium48 View Post
    ^ Of course police should be directing people in need of help to agencies that can help them. That doesn't mean they shouldn't also be dumping out alcohol, seizing drug pipes and even writing tickets. Isn't community service an alternative to jail for unpaid fines? If not it should be.
    I 100% agree. Just because a person is an addict or homeless does not give them some sort of right to harass others.

    Also, I do not want my kids playing in a park where I fear that there will be broken bottles, used needles and condoms lying around. What is my conversation supposed to be about those places? "Sorry kids, you can't play in that fun looking park because some people that don't know any better get drunk, high and have sex on that slide. Maybe you guys can play in our yard instead. Oh wait, you can't do that either because those same people are shitting on the grass in our yard"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Swillv8 View Post
    No person likes hassles, just having more cops on the ground in all problem areas could help edmonton. If a cop sees bad behaviour instead of ignoring it hassle the alcoholic by dumping their beer.
    Bingo. People are more afraid of getting caught than getting punished.
    Its not bingo, because if I think I'm gonna get hasseled in this location, I'll obviously just move to another location. Its just pushing the problem around. It sucks that McCauley has to deal with all of this, but if its not McCauley, its Alberta Avenue, or somewhere else. Sadly, because there are so many free handouts to the homeless in McCauley area, its pretty nice and comfy place for them to live their "no responsiblities" lifestyle.

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    ^ what if Edmonton doubled it's police force? How much would that cost taxpayers?$200 extra a year in property taxes?( I have seen the percentage of taxes to policing; I don't remember the % bring high at all)

    Not shuffle the problem around, but fix the problem. This whole notion that the only solution attainable is to move around from one area to the next this blight on our society is hugely flawed!

    So what if Edmonton got a reputation of being clean and safe! How many vehicles are stolen every year?,muders? B&e?, the list goes on.

    We need proactive measures the most to help all citizens in Edmonton,the dividends payed out would be immeasurable.

    And the crap I see on a daily basis should never be allowed anywhere near the extent it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Swillv8 View Post
    No person likes hassles, just having more cops on the ground in all problem areas could help edmonton. If a cop sees bad behaviour instead of ignoring it hassle the alcoholic by dumping their beer.
    Bingo. People are more afraid of getting caught than getting punished.
    Its not bingo, because if I think I'm gonna get hasseled in this location, I'll obviously just move to another location.
    That's the point. The ones who agree to follow laws can stay. That is the bare minimum we should ask of these folks, and is really their only responsibility that they have to follow. Whoever doesn't can go be homeless in some other city or go to jail.

    The goal isn't to "get rid of" them, anyway. The goal is to reduce crime and encourage everyone to follow laws, homeless or not.

    Even many homeless people are victims of crime (assaults, robberies, etc.). I am sure many of them would be happy to have some police nearby if some guy in an alley is high on something and waving a weapon around (which I have seen several times). They feel unsafe too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    why are homeless people discharged from the hospital, only to be readmitted the next day?
    Because it's "free"! They get readmitted the next day (sometimes the same day) because they know that they can't be declined service. They know exactly what to say in order to get tucked into a bed, get a sandwich, get a bus ticket, get some different clothes, and get a shot of a heavy-duty painkiller to make them feel happy.

    It costs thousands and thousands of dollars for our health care system each time they visit the Emergency Department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swillv8 View Post
    ^ Not shuffle the problem around, but fix the problem. This whole notion that the only solution attainable is to move around from one area to the next this blight on our society is hugely flawed!
    I think the way to "fix" or perhaps a better word is "mitigate" the problem is not try to put police everywhere to hand them out tickets they will throw in the bin, but rather, to look at how we are planning and organizing the city - the dollars are better spent there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Komrade View Post
    So im unclear what you are advocating.
    That's your problem. Everyone else seems to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
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    No person likes hassles, just having more cops on the ground in all problem areas could help edmonton. If a cop sees bad behaviour instead of ignoring it hassle the alcoholic by dumping their beer.
    Bingo. People are more afraid of getting caught than getting punished.
    Its not bingo, because if I think I'm gonna get hasseled in this location, I'll obviously just move to another location. Its just pushing the problem around. It sucks that McCauley has to deal with all of this, but if its not McCauley, its Alberta Avenue, or somewhere else. Sadly, because there are so many free handouts to the homeless in McCauley area, its pretty nice and comfy place for them to live their "no responsiblities" lifestyle.
    But people won't get away with that sort of anti-social behaviour in other places. It appears to be tolerated in a few central neighbourhoods in a way that it's not in other places, due to a perception that they belong somewhere.

    Well, that's halfway true. The people belong somewhere, but those behaviours have got to go, and 95% of the "problem" people are capable of learning what is or is not acceptable behaviour if only there were immediate reinforcement, and the remaining 5% have severe mental illnesses and should be provided with greater supports.

    As for police directing people to community services, well, most of those services are well known. I second community service sentences as a way to deal with people for whom fines are not an effective deterrence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Swillv8 View Post
    ^ Not shuffle the problem around, but fix the problem. This whole notion that the only solution attainable is to move around from one area to the next this blight on our society is hugely flawed!
    I think the way to "fix" or perhaps a better word is "mitigate" the problem is not try to put police everywhere to hand them out tickets they will throw in the bin, but rather, to look at how we are planning and organizing the city - the dollars are better spent there.
    Police could hand out tickets all they want, after a while they would be sent to jail.this is not what I'm advocating, police can be proactive and control order on our streets, not focused on collecting money. Right now there is zero order in the city on some streets. No individual regardless of situation should get a no responsibilities card.

    If there are people out of control even with police presence then obviously off to a drunk tank, mental hospital,or jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selohssa View Post
    [/I]The most interesting points that relate to the body rub parlor are #5 and #10.
    1. Connect Chinatown and Little Italy with downtown and surrounding areas
    2. Strengthen cultural character in Chinatown and Little Italy
    3. Develop strong East-West pedestrian connections between Chinatown and Little Italy
    4. Attract market housing
    5. Encourage major anchors to promote the area as a destination choice for citizens as well as tourists
    6. Create an interconnected network of walkable open spaces, streets and community gardens
    7. Program Year-round community events
    8. Recognize 96 Street (Church Street) as a major heritage destination
    9. Promote sustainability and high quality public realm
    10. Reinforce the fine-grain
    Let's consider a world where the issues of public disorder in McCauley are being well managed and it is much less of a problem: How do some of the other ten suggestions stack-up?
    I like #3 and wonder what people's suggestions are for which streets?

    How quickly would #4 happen? Or would it?

    I always thought #8 should be a Sacred Music Festival of some kind. Throw open the doors of all the churches for a day and have their various choirs/bands performing. When I lived in the neighbourhood you could sometimes catch choirs practicing or chanting happening at the same time.

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    #4. First and foremost get more home ownership in the area. What is market? Subsidized affordable rentals?Right now it's 80% rental, which has been shown toxic not only in Edmonton but from studies done internationally weighing up crime rates vs ownership levels.
    - derelict properties that may not qualify for mandated demolition, but creates cancers within the community, are left to rot and very little pressure is felt from the city.
    - certain communities( not just McCauley) should be evaluated and zoning parameters and infill should be looked into to eliminate ghettoization.

    #7. There are quite a few great programs available if one were to include Boyle street , I feel lack of residents

    #3. 107a ave is inhospitable !! The north side has derelict homes, vacant lots and buildings in disrepair. And let's not forget lots of chain-link

    #6. We can get new designs for benches lighting and for grassy boulevards , however we as a city cannot allow public spaces to be taken over with needles garbadge shopping carts and people passed out all times of the day. A great example it the nice job that was created in front of the new canada post distribution centre. Hazardous and absolutely disgusting

    #5. No major tenant wants to be in an area that they do not see positive changes happening. There is a memorandum in McCauley but still this did not prevent the addiction centre on 106ave from being built. People need reassurance that this area is not going to get worse.


    #8 the city of Edmonton needs to put their money where their moth is and also get the Feds involved to preserve church street, I bet it's up there to be one of the densest streets in canada!

    # 10 what is fine grain? The authenticity of Chinatown & little Italy? If this is the. Case we need to make streetscape/facade improvements more attractive.

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    The SDAB dropped the ball again, for the millionth time, on this file.

    When is this unelected and unaccountable group of development lobbyists and city yes-men (and women) going to be held accountable for their poor decision making skills ?

    Also, Seems quiet from the MCL side of things since the big overthrow last year. Unfortunately, As you see other inner city neighborhoods making great strides forward, I believe you're going to see McCauley slide backwards into the same old patterns
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    ^like it or not, COE has followed exactlly the same planning model that Vancouver did, which is to create an inner city slum by default. Instead of providing opportunities for people to get back on their feet by spreading social services thoughout the city, the plan has been, that's where the problem people are, so lets put all the servies there. Its basically a ghetto approach by default. Its a hard problem to fix now, very hard. A few police certainly can't, or they could do like what I understand Vancouver does, pick up homeless (e.g. from Stanley Park) and move them to east villiage, but that won't really help McCauley much.
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    Fine grain is the small lot sizes and small buildings typical in the area. having narrow storefronts and small commercial spaces makes a more interesting pedestrian environment and more affordable commercial space, and narrow residential lots means more small-scale developments, more variety and ideally more home ownership.

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    Did my part and spent 2 years advocating, engaging, volunteering, cleaning, going to countless meetings to voice McCauley concerns to various groups like RAM, EAD, social services. Countless hours - time off work - weekends gone towards McCauley.

    All these strong voices here are good, but are in the minority in McCauley. Strong board got dumped earlier this year in favor of a more politically correct, "all inclusive" board.

    Bodyrub parlors, more social housing, no more public press releases from MCL speaking to EPS ineffectiveness - these are all a facet of that all inclusiveness.

    Getting personal messages on here asking me why MCL did not send a representative to the annual Commonwealth Stadium meeting in regards to parking disruptions this year is one fine example. They don't want to rock the boat or question certain contentious issues - their primary concern is the rink on 96 Street & 107A Avenue.

    In my opinion, McCauley's long term successes are now dependent on how strong Alberta Avenue, Parkdale and Downtown Community Leagues are.
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    ^ it's sad to hear about all that time and effort put in to try and make things better, only to have those efforts marginalized and negated by an influential lobby (much of which originates from outside the neighborhood) who will keep things in the neighborhood status quo. The same lobby that profits from the current situation, no less.

    No respect or acknowledgement for those who did stick up for McCauley, who saw the potential and worked to try and at the very least achieve some balance and push for some of their burden to be equally distributed throughout the city

    I've chatted with several folks who have sold and moved out of McCauley recently.. all have stated they'd just had enough of the issues, disorder and ambivalence on the part of the city. People are willing to put up with a lot when they can at least see the light at the end of the tunnel, That's what kept myself and others going during those first few difficult years of renewal in Alberta Ave and Parkdale. But at this point I don't see a lot of progress being made towards making McCauley a better place for those folks
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    Yes. And I always value everything you do an say and I know you care a lot for McCauley. You have done more for advocating for it this year than the existing board of directors by going to various meetings and venues which impact the inner-city - which MCL has not sent representatives to.

    At this point, the most I hope for McCauley is that it will ride on the coattails of adjacent neighborhood successes and combine that with its serendipitous proximity to our booming Downtown.

    I'm a hardline McCauley enthusiast, but instead of buying another house there this year, I opted for Alberta Avenue. When I sell my McCauley house in 2020, I will be moving my investment into another more balanced inner-city area. Unless somehow it does a 180.

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