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    Another important factor is that our skyline and Calgary compliment each other. It illustrates Alberta is robust and healthy economically. One just has to to see the skylines of both cities. Before, Calgary showed the wealth, and every other richest showed ragsll. Just slightly off topic, I hope it is a Calgary/Edmonton cooperation for the winter Olympic bid. It would be a great strategy to showcase the economic engine and potential of the corridor; and of course the two skylines to the world. There is a great potential postcard here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpnfantstk View Post
    ^^^Yup, once complete ,skyline will be impressive. Put Aldritt and other proposed projects in the mix, skyline will be world class.
    I have to admit. This Aldritt project makes me think of mini Dubai--not that Dubai itself will notice. This is a very outlandish project that even Toronto skyscraper enthusiasts would slobber over.

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    Just got word the last main concrete pour was completed, looks like steel should be going up shortly.
    Looks like the final roof height, judging from the last picture, will be at approximately the top of the 2nd segment of the crane.
    Using JW as a reference in height for statec, i tell myself "holy sh**" everytime. Manulife looks like just another building now.
    It's great isn't it. Just picture the highest point of the Alberta Legislature (57m) on top of JW and there you have the approx. height of Stantec.
    My "holy sh**" moment is picturing Icon II on top of Stantec tower's transfer slab, which already stands at the height of the neighbouring Bell Tower.
    With tower b , receiving a total redesign (apparently) and with this mighty rumored "trophy tower". This could be just the tip of the iceberg. Who knows what downtown will look like in 2025....
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    A trophy tower is welcome, but they better have something up their sleeves as you need relocation, local corporate transition- expansion- or recruit for that to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Another important factor is that our skyline and Calgary compliment each other. It illustrates Alberta is robust and healthy economically. One just has to to see the skylines of both cities. Before, Calgary showed the wealth, and every other richest showed ragsll. Just slightly off topic, I hope it is a Calgary/Edmonton cooperation for the winter Olympic bid. It would be a great strategy to showcase the economic engine and potential of the corridor; and of course the two skylines to the world. There is a great potential postcard here...
    Well with the new arena in Edmonton it would make sense to hold a number of events here. However Olympic politics and sense don't always mix.

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    Topping out final height looks impressive , and Stantec left to go wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creativemind View Post
    Topping out final height looks impressive , and Stantec left to go wow.
    Not yet final height. Still to add a two-storey crown for mechanical.

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    ^ Really 2 more is that last half on top not Mechanical is there 3 mechanical floors ?

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    The floor that is about to be enclosed is the top residential floor. Currently pouring above is the last concrete floor slab where mechanical equipment will reside on. That will be covered by a crown two storeys high--that will then be the final architectural height.
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    The slenderness of this thing is as welcome as the height, or perhaps the height is what gives it it's slender look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicoLance21 View Post
    The floor that is about to be enclosed is the top residential floor. Currently pouring above is the last concrete floor slab where mechanical equipment will reside on. That will be covered by a crown two storeys high--that will then be the final architectural height.
    Thx 4 this even better height

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    New condominium apartment sales in Edmonton grew over 60% in 2017, the largest percentage growth of the markets tracked, with 1,289 units sold last year. This significant increase was connected to the downtown condo market where the new Rogers Centre attracted buyers to the city’s core, with sales increasing by 160% year over year. The suburban areas of Edmonton were still dealing with a large supply of inventory and sales were relatively flat compared to 2016.

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    Tell that to the Bow lol. It is a skinny foot print although height would create some illussions of that.
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    From Sunday. No sunset.


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    Awesome shot. It is amazing how urban that feels now.
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    Hopefully tower B will add to that perception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Awesome shot. It is amazing how urban that feels now.
    Very much so. Changes our downtown big time.

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    Hard to imagine Alldritt to be almost 25 stories taller than this beauty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    yes this is what i was talking about, the transition looks awful. just two objects slapped side by side with no consideration for the other.

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    ^Now that's a building that could really use a reclad IMO

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    Just slightly of topic, the city tower turned out gorgeous, but it lost the great detail of design as Stantec
    and JW/L obscures it. I stated in the past that this design is best at 45ish floor. I hope their trophy tower will revisit the height factor if they reuse this design.

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    Looking west on 104 Avenue, it looks like a wall of buildings.
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    I can now see the Marriott just peeking over Norquest while waiting to cross 109St (from the west) at 102Ave.

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    edit. What im assuming is the "ballroom", might actually be an impressive piece once its done. You can see the scaffolding going up inside.

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    ^^^Nice job on the photos S3R...Looks like you were in the bush taking the first one.. Hunting wild boar.?!..lol
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    The core on the JW Marriot was poured higher today. Looks like it might be at the final height of the tower now.

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    ^wouldn't final height be after structure steel is installed for the crown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barhonda View Post
    ^wouldn't final height be after structure steel is installed for the crown?
    Possibly. It was my understanding the mechanical penthouse was going to be roughly 2 stories tall. The core is now approx 2 stories above the last residential floor.

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    I think it is still on the penthouse. Usually mechanical floors are just stairs without elevator. I dabbled a bit of form work when I did my apprenticeship for scaffolding and carpentry. Marcel could answer a lot better as he is constantly doing these types of projects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    I think it is still on the penthouse. Usually mechanical floors are just stairs without elevator. I dabbled a bit of form work when I did my apprenticeship for scaffolding and carpentry. Marcel could answer a lot better as he is constantly doing these types of projects.
    with my experience i think youre right , usually the elevator machine rooms sit above and thus require atleast one additional floor above.

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    IMG_5103 by BLACK STAR III, on Flickr

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    That is a different angle. Where is this area as I don't recognize at all?
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    Looks like Oliver Square - near mcd's drive thru

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    I kind of thought so, but I wasn't sure.
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    That picture gives me a sore neck.
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    So amazing having a building that tall in good old Edmonton. Stantec will be 10 floors higher. Aldritt 24. I'll bet some developer will be thinking tallest in Canada rather than just tallest outside Toronto. Maybe BMO site?

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    Alright Trumbones! Let's not spread good gossip...

    What has me impressed is the variances of colours at different times of the day- which I had alluded to prior to construction. Just loving it!
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    BMO is 150-200m tops within the CCA zone, that they just rezoned back to.
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    Aw shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    BMO is 150-200m tops within the CCA zone, that they just rezoned back to.
    I thought we're done with height restrictions within the core.
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    As long as it is taller than Manulife, it is all good only for the purpose of transformation of a tired skyline that stagnated for 35+ yrs.
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    I'd guess in the 150-175m range, but we will have to wait and see.
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    175ish is what I'm expecting as alluded with my prior post some time ago of 170-200. 175 would still transform the skyline quite nicely.
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    The JW crane got another boost. You guys were right - more floors yet to go then !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concrete Jungle View Post
    The JW crane got another boost. You guys were right - more floors yet to go then !
    Te top of the crane now should be the final height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpnfantstk View Post
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    BMO is 150-200m tops within the CCA zone, that they just rezoned back to.
    I thought we're done with height restrictions within the core.
    We are able to build taller, but still have underlying zones with maximums. DC2s are available should you wish to do something else.
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    After Aldritt and BMO, I think we should be suffice for super tall requests and focus on other issues such as infills. There are so many gravel pit still to be negotiate. If we focus too tall every time, we hinder potential constructions for sights badly in need of development. More towers between 30-40 floors should be our next focus imo. Two 30 floor towers will cover more land than one 60 floors.
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    the first of the steel frame for the mechanical floor is up on the east side of the tower today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
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    The JW crane got another boost. You guys were right - more floors yet to go then !
    Te top of the crane now should be the final height.
    Really??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by S3RI3S View Post
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    The JW crane got another boost. You guys were right - more floors yet to go then !

    Te top of the crane now should be the final height.
    Really??????
    No, the height will not be at the top of the crane. Where you see the elevator core above the last floor plate will be the final height for the elevator itself; above that core will be one more floor. The current top slab will commence with all steel now.

    Add on: On Global News at noon where they had Kevin Mullane (CNB) for business aspect, one could see how pronounced the curve glazing on JWL is on the screen. It was gorgeous on TV.
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    The top of the crane on JW is more like Stantecs final height.
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    Add another 10.
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    Frequently drive down 98th ave to DT and still can't wrap my head around Stantec being a full 13 floors taller than the already dominating JW.

    Crazy, but in a good way ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Frequently drive down 98th ave to DT and still can't wrap my head around Stantec being a full 13 floors taller than the already dominating JW.

    Crazy, but in a good way ...
    It's a lot more than 13 stories. Stantec doesn't count the base, which is about 10 stories. When I bought a Sky Condo, they told me the height is equivalent to a 76 story tower.

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    It will be slightly over 1/3 of Manulife on top of JWL.
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    Because of the office portion of Stantec having higher ceilings than hotel rooms and condos Stantec is almost 200 ft taller even though Wiki says 66 floors which is only 10 more floors than JW, roughly the height of Garneau Towers bldg on top of JW.
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    i don't know why but i have a massive urge to straighten that photo

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    If youre talking nerd savviness, please go ahead lol. From the latter picture shown of that angle, stantec's final height would most likely be where the very top of the frame of that picture (where the blue sky is cut off).
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    Even a bit taller I think

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    That is why i said roughly as many people have difficulties projecting isometry views
    . You are right though.
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    hope i'm not breaking any rules here by altering a poster's image. if so let me know. pic by iano

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Because of the office portion of Stantec having higher ceilings than hotel rooms and condos Stantec is almost 200 ft taller even though Wiki says 66 floors which is only 10 more floors than JW, roughly the height of Garneau Towers bldg on top of JW.
    There are folks who would say I have a vivid imagination (to say the least), but this beggers that which I have! Yee-Ikes.
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    Looks like some steel going up for the mechanical floors today

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    That said, you are correct that there will be another 13 floors.
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    Stantec in the foreground, JW in the Back.


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    ^^ I hope that black strip on Srantec is temporary. What purpose does that serve?
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    Louvers for the mechanical room, ie. venting/combustion air.

    They remain and are found on ALL towers.
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    Why black though? I my choice would been the same color as the rest.
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    Unsure if black or navy or something in between, but black generally look best.
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    @IanO, thanks. I guess I better look at towers more closely then. I guess this being mixed use of office and residential is why this mechanical louvre is so noticeable. Mechanical floors between office and residential vs. just mechanical on top.
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    Exists on most buildings. Think it is in the middle of Stantec because of the multi use. CWB at the top here:


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    I beg to differ as that is really noticeable. It does not have to be a precise coordination, but a similiar tone would have added a better connectivity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodib View Post
    Exists on most buildings. Think it is in the middle of Stantec because of the multi use. CWB at the top here:

    This is a bad comparison Ian. It works for this tower as the affect is akin to wearing a hat as it is at the very top. The Stantec version looks like it has food stain on its shirt or a smudge of ink on a shirt. Here, i thought it was just incomplete glazings and spandrels. They'll get complaints on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    I beg to differ as that is really noticeable. It does not have to be a precise coordination, but a similiar tone would have added a better connectivity.
    Agreed. That black just can't be the finished product. Looks like a black marker put to cardboard.
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    Stantec is very unique in this case due to it essentially being two buildings with two distinct uses and systems stacked on top of each other.
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    Unique is fine Ian; we're talking about colour coordinating detailing here. I understand that it has to be there, but it should have been the same colour or slightly off. This looks horrible as it looks like a cheap patch up job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    From that first pic, is that the crown forming at JW's right side?

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    Love this angle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RicoLance21 View Post
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    From that first pic, is that the crown forming at JW's right side?
    That sure is the crown. I dont believe it is technically two floors but equivalent of two floors with the exception of the area of the inner core. I assuming there will be steel stairs leading to the top level for naintenance of the mechanical aspect. At least this is what im familiar with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Unique is fine Ian; we're talking about colour coordinating detailing here. I understand that it has to be there, but it should have been the same colour or slightly off. This looks horrible as it looks like a cheap patch up job.
    I think everyone needs a little perspective. Right now I can see the bright sun shining on the Bell Tower. The cladding looks horrible as in the bright sun it shows every flaw. The silver panels with years of built up dirt and the smudges where they cleared the dirt on installations of the new trim last summer. In indirect sun or shade, however, the building looks way better (still could use a cleaning..however...). The same goes for Stantec. In the bright sun you get what you see in those pics. In other pics like in post 4023, you would hardly notice it. When the bright sunlight shines on the Edmonton tower and Stantec/JW, the glazing takes on a dull grey and all three tower glazing looks exactly the same and it looks very dullish. However, when the sun moves on things change dramatically. Same for the mechanical panels on the fourth floor of Stantec. Hardly notice them in the shade right now and they blend in nicely. I would have preferred no black panels but it is was it is. the only issue I have is that I wish they could have done without the one on the west face.

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    I'm aware of how sunlight affects colour to a structure throughout the day; I'm also cognizant of how other towers will affect the appearance in conjunction with the sunlight. My true background is in designing apparel, and I'm just anal over little details. The problem is that it is not centre therefore it will appear as if it is a quick fix. We as human are attracted to balance not distortion. In this case it is distorted hence why I think it should have been the same blue as the glazings. Yes , the sun will distort the glazings and make my blue stand out as well, but the blue will be less noticible than the black. In the example Ian uploaded with CWB, the black works as it resembles a hat, and it is balanced. Had that vent been applied to one side only, CWB would been a disaster. That said, I won't loose sleep over it lol.
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    Does anyone know whats going to be the use of that "terrace" / balcony type area on the top of the Marriott portion? From the renders it looks like an outdoor patio for a restaurant or something. Is that part of the hotel (ie accessible to the public / hotel guests) or is it part of the private Legends property?

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    I believe that is the intent.
    " The strength of a man is in the stride he walks."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concrete Jungle View Post
    Is that part of the hotel (ie accessible to the public / hotel guests) or is it part of the private Legends property?
    Part of the outdoor terrace will be for hotel use, and part of it will be exclusively for Legends residents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTrobotnik View Post
    hope i'm not breaking any rules here by altering a poster's image. if so let me know. pic by iano
    im assuming JWs crane is not sitting within the elevator core.
    I could totally be wrong , but i swear it was normal practice to put a crane within the elevator core (or atleast some time ago).

    or are those chem trails getting to me?

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    It could be done that way, and it could be set externally (outside of the entire structure) as long as they meet the OH&S code for footing, ratings, tie in points ( i believe it is every 50' ?), load barrings, and many other factors.
    " The strength of a man is in the stride he walks."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concrete Jungle View Post
    Does anyone know whats going to be the use of that "terrace" / balcony type area on the top of the Marriott portion? From the renders it looks like an outdoor patio for a restaurant or something. Is that part of the hotel (ie accessible to the public / hotel guests) or is it part of the private Legends property?
    The terrace on top of the Marriot (ie Level 23) is private balconies for the residences on that level. The lower terrace on top of the podium (level 5) is split between a restaurant patio, and private terrace for all building residents

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    Looks like they are starting the build the steel mechanical part on the roof - maybe someone has a pic

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinW View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Concrete Jungle View Post
    Does anyone know whats going to be the use of that "terrace" / balcony type area on the top of the Marriott portion? From the renders it looks like an outdoor patio for a restaurant or something. Is that part of the hotel (ie accessible to the public / hotel guests) or is it part of the private Legends property?
    The terrace on top of the Marriot (ie Level 23) is private balconies for the residences on that level. The lower terrace on top of the podium (level 5) is split between a restaurant patio, and private terrace for all building residents
    Ah, thanks for the info. Too bad; that level 23 terrace would have made a great spot to grab dinner on a warm summer night. Must be a nice view from up there.

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    Crown going up on the JW and the first bits of residential glazing on Stantec. You can see the operable windows.


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