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    I heard from a guy assigned to the site this will be just over 40 floors.

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    2 towers 40 and 33

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    2 towers 40 and 33
    That's exciting

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    Good on Regency for continuing to put faith in downtown.

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    Don't let IanO hear you call that downtown. lol

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    ^
    Its downtown, but not Downtown But let's not get started on that again
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    To me anything between the Groat ravine and 82 st and N.Sask R and Nait is downtown Edmonton, Alberta, Canada regardless of neighborhood
    or community naming. That's just me and nobody can change it, for me. lol

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    oh ya small d, I forgot. Its super and already demolition has occurred so its serious. Can't wait for more shovels.

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    I drove past the sight the other day, and all the rubble from the CWB building is gone. Are they building one tower first, and then knocking down the Mac's and Liquor Store next door when they're ready to build the second?

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    CWB drive-thru tower then Mac's milk tower. lol (JayBee)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    To me anything between the Groat ravine and 82 st and N.Sask R and Nait is downtown Edmonton, Alberta, Canada regardless of neighborhood
    or community naming. That's just me and nobody can change it, for me. lol
    Agreed! Especially for us southside folk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    I drove past the sight the other day, and all the rubble from the CWB building is gone. Are they building one tower first, and then knocking down the Mac's and Liquor Store next door when they're ready to build the second?
    That makes sense.
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    Did someone say they've seen renderings? I thought I read that.

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    There are non-public renderings out there, towers look ok, podium is a disaster.
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    That's what EDC is for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    There are non-public renderings out there, towers look ok, podium is a disaster.
    Disaster in what way???
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    Aesthetics, blandness, dated design.
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    Lovely
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    But it seemed very early days... so I have hope that their experiences with Q, Pearl, East Jasper will help bring it up to par.
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    Or we can start welcoming back (in way of design) the 1970's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmontonsKindaGuy View Post
    Did someone say they've seen renderings? I thought I read that.
    Yes indeed, a few of us folks 'in the know' have seen them. Sorry, no posty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    Or we can start welcoming back (in way of design) the 1970's.
    No, the design has a significant amount of glazing. It just looks very late 90's / early 2000's Vancouver/Toronto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EdmontonsKindaGuy View Post
    Did someone say they've seen renderings? I thought I read that.
    Yes indeed, a few of us folks 'in the know' have seen them. Sorry, no posty
    No worries.
    When the time comes I'm sure we will see what's proposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    But it seemed very early days... so I have hope that their experiences with Q, Pearl, East Jasper will help bring it up to par.
    The problem isn't Regency, unfortunately. As I'm sure you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    Or we can start welcoming back (in way of design) the 1970's.
    No, the design has a significant amount of glazing. It just looks very late 90's / early 2000's Vancouver/Toronto.
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    Kindly direct message me the renderings. Please and thank you.

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    ^Hmmm, our 'development cartel' doesn't work like that hehehe...

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    33 and a 40 for Oliver, a few blocks west of downtown on Jasper Avenue

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    Uhm, I don't like it. It's too blue.

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    Haha... that is simply a massing and colour to have it standout.

    Design is square, but not like that.
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    Is the height in the massing render a little off? The one tower should be taller than Pearl, but doesn't quite reflect that in the picture.
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    If that is the actual height then it's the right height for the area, roughly 75% taller than the existing "tall" neighbours.

    I'm not sure about the massing, though. It doesn't look like there's much separation between these two towers, or that they've left enough space between the tower and the neighbouring lots to allow for a similar tower that meets zoning required separation distances.

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    The Mac's is still there?????
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    I thought this development was going to include the Macs strip mall? Doesn't look to be the case in that pic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    The Mac's is still there?????
    Word upthread is that Mac's will be a tenant in the new podium. The podium will be built in two parts, like the CWB/grocery store podium further west on Jasper, with the Mac's and liquor store remaining in place until the west part of the podium is complete; at that point, I imagine they'll be moving to the west podium, and their existing building will be knocked down and construction on the east podium will commence.

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    Macs is to the east and is NOT part of this rezoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I'm not sure about the massing, though. It doesn't look like there's much separation between these two towers, or that they've left enough space between the tower and the neighbouring lots to allow for a similar tower that meets zoning required separation distances.
    See Icon I and II, Fox I and II. (and many other less recent examples) It's a common problem. Ideally these towers should be 20m apart, but instead they often get pushed to like 6-7m apart...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Channing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I'm not sure about the massing, though. It doesn't look like there's much separation between these two towers, or that they've left enough space between the tower and the neighbouring lots to allow for a similar tower that meets zoning required separation distances.
    See Icon I and II, Fox I and II. (and many other less recent examples) It's a common problem. Ideally these towers should be 20m apart, but instead they often get pushed to like 6-7m apart...
    Considering that this is not consolidated with the Mac's site the 10m from the property line (1/2 of minimum tower separation) should be non-negotiable

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    with more of this type of development along jasper, that stretch could become a great place - currently it leaves a lot to be desired.

    Many of the new towers in the past 10 or so years have had small retail spaces. Hopefully these new developments have larger podium spaces to host restaurants and grocery stores rather than just dentists, subways and salons.

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    Tower spacing is always an issue... in the CCDP it is 20-25m depending on what, where, and how... but as Fox demonstrates, this can be varied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flynn View Post
    Uhm, I don't like it. It's too blue.



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    No, the Macs site is NOT part of the application. Look at the site plan.

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    Review lot plan, 2 lots not in red... Macs.
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    The following seems apparent. The structure containing Mac's abuts the east property line of the rezoning-proposal area. The height of the displayed two-building (blue) massing is significantly shorter than that of actual 40- and 33-story residential structures. The rezoning-proposal dimensions are roughly 67m x 45m, suggesting that a 20m spacing between towers is impractical.

    Gotta love the potential height, though.

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    Yeah and I can't wait to see the blue buildings but they should go a tad lighter to be more fashionable, with silver accents and just a smattering of some bold contrasting colour.


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    I just wish Mayfair would have been something like this, however Mayfair South was limited by the airport.

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    ^ I thought the Mayfair was limited to the LRT running underneath?

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    Mayfair North is. Not South.
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    If it was prior to 2010 it would have certainly been subject to the airport overlay.

    Funny to think that project would be one of few to be limited by both the airborne and the subterranean.
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    These guys don't think small, do they.
    Are they going to carry it themselves? or are they developing for someone?

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    Guys, ahem may I remind you: I don't mean to be negative but reality check time: This is boom & bust Alberta. Why is everyone hyped up over this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Guys, ahem may I remind you: I don't mean to be negative but reality check time: This is boom & bust Alberta. Why is everyone hyped up over this?
    Well I guess with what we're seeing being built in the city right now, suddenly this sort of proposal isn't exactly farfetched.

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    The best time to build is when times are tough. You can find trades, build a lot cheaper, and receive more govt support and willingness to cooperate during a recession. By the time your project is finished the high times are back and tenants/buyers are there with their money.

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    ^ Obviously you haven't lived through the Alberta recession from 1982-1993.I was lucky as I was employed full time during those years.
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    I was here. I'm your age. I'm just not sure this is the same or any recession is the same as another. Always different factors playing in.

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    The 82 recession was more or less Canadian made. This current recession is something beyond our control and all it takes to reset back the clock is with a stroke of a pen. If the Saudi's say tomorrow, "We will cut oil production," bam! Recession over. Admittedly its a bit more complicated then that.
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    I like the scale of the proposed towers, they will fit the area nicely.
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    When is this project supposed to get under way?
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    ^ Obviously you haven't lived through the Alberta recession from 1982-1993.I was lucky as I was employed full time during those years.
    I was here. I was also here through the '70s when we may have built over 100 towers over ten floors. The future is hard to predict, but this time it isn't only driven by in-migration, there are other trends now where many existing city dwellers are gravitating to the core - empty nesters in particular.

    Furthermore this one isn't a condo, but an apartment hotel, an under served segment.

    Furthermore yet, Regency saw a worse outlook when they started building The Quest, but their wisdom/instinct prevailed beautifully.

    I'd give this one a 90% chance of being built, and 89% followed by a third tower on the Mac's site.
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    ^ Thank you for your honest answer. Having that knowledge you provided makes me very happy about this project. I believe Regency is also working with Edgewater if I'm not mistaken. I withdraw any negativity I had over this. Cant wait to see when they break ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    When is this project supposed to get under way?
    Likely not until next year.

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    Has it been approved, do they have a building permit?
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    A rezoning application is pasted on the previous page of this thread. What do you think?

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    Good. Looking forward to see construction start then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Good. Looking forward to see construction start then.
    Apparently you're pretty bad at rhetorical questions. My response was intended to say that no, it is not approved, and no, it does not have a building permit.

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    ^ I miss read that, then. My bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
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    Good. Looking forward to see construction start then.
    Apparently you're pretty bad at rhetorical questions. My response was intended to say that no, it is not approved, and no, it does not have a building permit.
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    In fact, they haven't even submitted their rezoning application to the City yet. This is only the 'pre-application notice'. In all likelihood, they won't be submitting their rezoning until mid to end of March.

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    Regency Developments never appears concerned with economic slowdowns. Their strategy is to build a new development every few years or so. They know that they have a good reputation as a developer and their buildings will sell regardless of the economy.

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    Just from what little I know about this and who is behind this, its an exciting project. I'm a Regency fan boy.
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    There is no recession as of yet... Oil companies are still going with their projects as that is a long term economic strategy based on the future span and not the month-to-month slip and slide of prices. The previous recessions incured on us were reliance to the American's economy; The US is not the sole economic power of the world anymore as other players are able to counterbalance their weakness. It is actually a perfect time to build and prep up for the return of the oil prices. As oil goes up so will the rehiring, and the migration to our city for jobs; the migration will require accommodations. You want to have it ready or close to it to capture markets. If you wait until the floodgate is opened, you lost the objective of your plan along with the potential profit.

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    The way Premier Jim is talking, he's giving off recession like signals. We're still about 4.5% as of January.
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    He's dealing with the mess the situation is creating with government finances.

    It's because the government built it's budget based on an overreliance on oil revenues projected at above a certain level. The fact that Klein screwed up the Province's ability to guard the stability of government finances against such swings in oil revenue when he scrapped the progressive tax structure and incrrased spending levels like a drunken sailor in his last couple of terms doesn't help.
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    I think he may be gearing up for a post election sales tax implementation. The worse he makes it sound the easier it will be. I am actually hoping so anyway, I would rather see a 5% sales tax than all the cuts cuts cuts.
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    Re-instituting of a modest progressive tax structure. A sales tax seems like a no-go amongst the PC Party and its supporters. Besides a sales tax hits lower income people more than it does higher income earners.
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    If they want to tax someone, Tax Shaw and any other companies who continue to decide to move out of the province. The more jobs the province loses the higher the tax should be. And then on the flip side give some tax incentives for companies to move to the province, (especially if they move to Edmonton)
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    Yup. So with that said let me see if I can get it sorta back on track.

    So for whoever may have seen the renders for this building, can you give a bit better detail of the look of the building?
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    ^ I don't think they're out yet.
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    I'd be in favour of a short term sales tax as long it was revenue neutral like the gst but what's going on with our Heritage Trust fund? Wasn't that supposed to be a rainy day fund?
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    No such thing as a short term tax. Once a tax is implemented it is there forever. Hoping for more on these buildings soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    No such thing as a short term tax. Once a tax is implemented it is there forever. Hoping for more on these buildings soon.
    How true. If anything Premier Jim should put a sales tax on cigarettes and don't give me that "Smokers help pay for roads and highways" crap. That argument is old and tired. On my short walk from Corona station to my office in the financial building there are cigarette butts littered everywhere. I've only been noticing this within the last 2 years or so. The stupid anti smoking bylaw is total crap as well.
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    I agree if you're talking about the economy and not this building it belongs here

    What are we going to do when oil prices collapse?
    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...ead.php?t=7872

    or here
    Is it finally time for a Sales Tax?
    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...ad.php?t=15958

    Or somewhere in this section
    Business & Economy
    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...splay.php?f=64

    This is a project I'd like to see built, however as approval is 6 months to a year away it is hard to say if this will happen or it will be shelved. And yes the economy plays a huge part in that decision.

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    We're just killing time 'till the renderings come out.

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    Fingers crossed it goes through.
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    11.94m tower separation as proposed at the moment...

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    how many m separation for icon towers ?? because some towers are close and some further apart
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    Cannot recall, but fox is 7m I believe.
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    Was reading the Edmonton Builder & Developer Annual 2015, and Regency had a story in there about their future plans. They mentioned their next three projects are two mid-rises (one by the Brewery District, and one near Ellerslie/111 St), and they mentioned this project. They say the first phase will be 40 stories, and they hope to start in 2015. Here's the quote:

    Every year, the downtown buzz reaches a new height. Increasingly, people venture to the core to work, find amazing meals, quality education, boutique fashion and a place to live. In 2014, plans for Roger's Place and the Entertainment District, expansion of MacEwan University, addition of new culture and arts venues, and the ongoing facelift throughout the core have all contributed to its growing appeal. Regency's third upcoming development will speak to the strong desire of many Edmontonians to live close to an increasingly vibrant community. The project will also continue Regency's legacy of leaving a mark on Edmonton's ever-changing skyline, which began with Pearl Tower, and will continue with this anticipated 40-storey, mixed-use development at Jasper Avenue and 113th Street. Regency hopes to break ground in 2015.
    From page 28 here: http://issuu.com/wall2wall/docs/edm_...98696/10479872

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    33 and a 40 for Oliver, a few blocks west of downtown on Jasper Avenue
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    ^i like this a lot for this area, and really like the height too! it will really stand out like The Pearl does and not everything needs to be by the arena. fingers crossed for shovel in ground actually happening this year
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    That is sweet and I like the density.

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    Starting to get good height west of downtown and with edgewater some to the east. I think it will blend well with DT and make our city center look a lot bigger .
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    ^ If it keeps going like this, we'll have to start referring to uptown, midtown and downtown ...

    As amazing as the number of holes in the skyline to be filled, is the number of holes in the very recent past that have - or are planned to be filled.
    ... gobsmacked

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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    ^ If it keeps going like this, we'll have to start referring to uptown, midtown and downtown ...

    As amazing as the number of holes in the skyline to be filled, is the number of holes in the very recent past that have - or are planned to be filled.
    That would be cool. A 3mile srip of towers would be awesome.
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    I just love how we are filling up the entire length of Jasper with highrises. Just imagining what it would be like to walk from 124st all the way to 82st with a continual street wall effect.

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