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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    ^ If it keeps going like this, we'll have to start referring to uptown, midtown and downtown ...

    As amazing as the number of holes in the skyline to be filled, is the number of holes in the very recent past that have - or are planned to be filled.
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    Well as a matter of fact my Dad was born and raised here and the area west of 9TH up to 24th was commonly referred to as uptown and east of 9th to 97th was downtown.

    I've always called it that way .
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    So it's true then, what's old really is what's new! Thanks for that.
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    that's awesome. lived here 52 years but didn't know that. i like it.

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    Here's another perspective. I've lived here since 1978 and mom and dad since 1973. My brother escorted me on one of those red & cream colored ETS buses to go downtown so I wouldn't get lost my first couple of days here. As we turned into Jasper Ave from 124th street I asked him at the time "are we downtown yet?" He said "This is uptown," as we crossed heading East on Jasper what he said was 109th and Jasper. "We're coming into downtown now." He latter said downtown begins on 109th to 97th street and 104th East to 99th. The financial core is something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    ^ If it keeps going like this, we'll have to start referring to uptown, midtown and downtown ...
    We need to now - we know what downtown is. I assume uptown is 124-109 Street...always has been. But never heard of a midtown but that could be Jasper Ave East of 95th St and Stadium District?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
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    ^ If it keeps going like this, we'll have to start referring to uptown, midtown and downtown ...
    We need to now - we know what downtown is. I assume uptown is 124-109 Street...always has been. But never heard of a midtown but that could be Jasper Ave East of 95th St and Stadium District?
    Ermm... doesn't the area from 124 st. to 109 st. kinda already have a name?

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    I think that down/mid/uptown works well for a borough like Manhattan which runs roughly in a north/south direction. Seems somewhat awkward to me in an east/west direction. Additionally, Edmonton has a central downtown with the rest of the city radiating outwards in all directions from there. Nope, doesn't work for me.
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    It's usually associated with river flow in cities that have a river flowing through it. Uptown is upstream, etc...

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    Hmmm..that would then make Beverly "downtown".

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenL2 View Post
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    Well as a matter of fact my Dad was born and raised here and the area west of 9TH up to 24th was commonly referred to as uptown and east of 9th to 97th was downtown.

    I've always called it that way .
    Thats the way I remember it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buildings View Post
    Hmmm..that would then make Beverly "downtown".
    Historically, Beverly was "out of town"

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    I've lived in New Westminster BC in the mid 1970's and downtown had always meant the water front up to Royal. The further up the hill you go until it levels out becomes uptown, where the old Woodwards used to be.
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    Perhaps we can come up some alternative nicknames for Edmonton neighborhoods like New York does (SOHO, DUMBO...)

    EASTAR - (EAS)t of (T)he (O)ld (R)athole
    FASCCAR (F)ormer (A)rea (S)ituated at (C)ity (C)enter (A)i(R)port (also brings back memories of the F1 races).

    But to get back on point. I really hope this project goes ahead, as mentioned before would nicely help fill the gap between downtown and The Pearl.
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    Soja

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    both a colloquial and used by some
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    Lets see, we have the financial core, downtown, the warehouse district, the arts district, the quarters, etc. Seems we're covered.
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    we may be overthinking this folks. I can say upstream or downstream without changing the name of the stream. just tells me which way in general.

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    Downtown is a term primarily used in North America by English speakers to refer to a city's core (or center) or central business district (CBD), often in a geographical, commercial, or communal sense.

    The term is thought to have been coined in New York City, where it was in use by the 1830s to refer to the original town at the southern tip of the island of Manhattan.[2] As the town of New York grew into a city, the only direction it could grow on the island was toward the north, proceeding upriver from the original settlement (the "up" and "down" terminology in turn came from the customary map design in which up was north and down was south).[2] Thus, anything north of the original town became known as "uptown" (Upper Manhattan), while the original town (which was also New York's only major center of business at the time) became known as "downtown" (Lower Manhattan).[2]
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Lets see, we have the financial core, downtown, the warehouse district, the arts district, the quarters, etc. Seems we're covered.
    Don't forget the future Entertainment District and the future Brewery District, Chinatown and Little Italy.
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    And the future Red Light District

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    Lots of districts.
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    I'm a little surprised by how fast Regency is moving on this site. They've demolished the old CWB branch and just need to cart away some rubble and the old vault and it'll be clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    And the future Red Light District
    Hey every good interesting city needs a Red Light District. he he
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    We have one: Top_Dawg's patio.
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    Wouldn't that be Top_Dawghouse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Downtown is a term primarily used in North America by English speakers to refer to a city's core (or center) or central business district (CBD), often in a geographical, commercial, or communal sense.

    The term is thought to have been coined in New York City, where it was in use by the 1830s to refer to the original town at the southern tip of the island of Manhattan.[2] As the town of New York grew into a city, the only direction it could grow on the island was toward the north, proceeding upriver from the original settlement (the "up" and "down" terminology in turn came from the customary map design in which up was north and down was south).[2] Thus, anything north of the original town became known as "uptown" (Upper Manhattan), while the original town (which was also New York's only major center of business at the time) became known as "downtown" (Lower Manhattan).[2]
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown
    This is why I laugh when people try to call certain area of our city "uptown." In NY city, downtown, midtown, and uptown is due to the geographical layout. Names like, "SOHO" or " TRIBECA"
    are not actual names but more like acronyms. SOHO= SOUTH OF HOUSTON street; TRIBECA= TRIANGLE BELOW CANNEL.

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    Well as a matter of fact my Dad was born and raised here and the area west of 9TH up to 24th was commonly referred to as uptown and east of 9th to 97th was downtown.

    I've always called it that way .
    Thats the way I remember it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
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    Downtown is a term primarily used in North America by English speakers to refer to a city's core (or center) or central business district (CBD), often in a geographical, commercial, or communal sense.

    The term is thought to have been coined in New York City, where it was in use by the 1830s to refer to the original town at the southern tip of the island of Manhattan.[2] As the town of New York grew into a city, the only direction it could grow on the island was toward the north, proceeding upriver from the original settlement (the "up" and "down" terminology in turn came from the customary map design in which up was north and down was south).[2] Thus, anything north of the original town became known as "uptown" (Upper Manhattan), while the original town (which was also New York's only major center of business at the time) became known as "downtown" (Lower Manhattan).[2]
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown
    This is why I laugh when people try to call certain area of our city "uptown." In NY city, downtown, midtown, and uptown is due to the geographical layout. Names like, "SOHO" or " TRIBECA"
    are not actual names but more like acronyms. SOHO= SOUTH OF HOUSTON street; TRIBECA= TRIANGLE BELOW CANNEL.
    yes, ... not sure why you are laughing though... 124 street is upstream of the NS river... 97 street is downstream from same... seems geographical to me? what is funny?

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    I think I remember people using uptown and downtown interchangeably, but didn't discern if one referred to Oliver.

    I'm in favour of etymological history as it evolved in Edmonton, for whatever reasons it did the way it did. I.e., "Oliver" and "Downtown. " I do regret and wish we could re-do several elements of urban planning (Jasper theatres, Tegler, Coronation Park etc. ) but I'm okay to leave the names the way they have become.

    Hope the rendering soon gives us something else to talk about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    I think I remember people using uptown and downtown interchangeably, but didn't discern if one referred to Oliver.

    I'm in favour of etymological history as it evolved in Edmonton, for whatever reasons it did the way it did. I.e., "Oliver" and "Downtown. " I do regret and wish we could re-do several elements of urban planning (Jasper theatres, Tegler, Coronation Park etc. ) but I'm okay to leave the names the way they have become.

    Hope the rendering soon gives us something else to talk about.
    i agree. growing up here the terms seemed interchangeable. i have to admit though that the upstream/downstream distinction makes a ton of sense to me.... and predates my lifetime. This is not to rename neighbourhoods but as broad geographical distinctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by makenosmallplans View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
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    Downtown is a term primarily used in North America by English speakers to refer to a city's core (or center) or central business district (CBD), often in a geographical, commercial, or communal sense.

    The term is thought to have been coined in New York City, where it was in use by the 1830s to refer to the original town at the southern tip of the island of Manhattan.[2] As the town of New York grew into a city, the only direction it could grow on the island was toward the north, proceeding upriver from the original settlement (the "up" and "down" terminology in turn came from the customary map design in which up was north and down was south).[2] Thus, anything north of the original town became known as "uptown" (Upper Manhattan), while the original town (which was also New York's only major center of business at the time) became known as "downtown" (Lower Manhattan).[2]
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown
    This is why I laugh when people try to call certain area of our city "uptown." In NY city, downtown, midtown, and uptown is due to the geographical layout. Names like, "SOHO" or " TRIBECA"
    are not actual names but more like acronyms. SOHO= SOUTH OF HOUSTON street; TRIBECA= TRIANGLE BELOW CANNEL.
    yes, ... not sure why you are laughing though... 124 street is upstream of the NS river... 97 street is downstream from same... seems geographical to me? what is funny?
    It is still funny as " upstream and uptown" are two different words. If Oliver was nicknamed upstream then it is ok and make sensem. Your comparison of the two words don't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
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    Downtown is a term primarily used in North America by English speakers to refer to a city's core (or center) or central business district (CBD), often in a geographical, commercial, or communal sense.

    The term is thought to have been coined in New York City, where it was in use by the 1830s to refer to the original town at the southern tip of the island of Manhattan.[2] As the town of New York grew into a city, the only direction it could grow on the island was toward the north, proceeding upriver from the original settlement (the "up" and "down" terminology in turn came from the customary map design in which up was north and down was south).[2] Thus, anything north of the original town became known as "uptown" (Upper Manhattan), while the original town (which was also New York's only major center of business at the time) became known as "downtown" (Lower Manhattan).[2]
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown
    This is why I laugh when people try to call certain area of our city "uptown." In NY city, downtown, midtown, and uptown is due to the geographical layout. Names like, "SOHO" or " TRIBECA"
    are not actual names but more like acronyms. SOHO= SOUTH OF HOUSTON street; TRIBECA= TRIANGLE BELOW CANNEL.
    yes, ... not sure why you are laughing though... 124 street is upstream of the NS river... 97 street is downstream from same... seems geographical to me? what is funny?
    It is still funny as " upstream and uptown" are two different words. If Oliver was nicknamed upstream then it is ok and make sensem. Your comparison of the two words don't make sense.
    only if "uptown" is value laden - meaning that "uptown" is better than "downtown" . it makes sense that portions of a settlement upstream of the major waterway might be named "uptown" and those downstream as "downtown". its not more complicated than that and not sure what any of it it has to do with Manhattan?... unless you want it to.

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    It is where the term originated. Today downtown is generally regarded as the CBD in North America because of that.
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    Itching for a proper render of this.
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    Yeah me too. I went by the old CWB site Wednesday. Its just a vacant lot now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottieA View Post
    I'm a little surprised by how fast Regency is moving on this site. They've demolished the old CWB branch and just need to cart away some rubble and the old vault and it'll be clear.
    That was done a couple months ago, I believe. Not much has actually happened the past while.

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    Awaiting for approval then permit I would assume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottieA View Post
    I'm a little surprised by how fast Regency is moving on this site. They've demolished the old CWB branch and just need to cart away some rubble and the old vault and it'll be clear.
    That was done a couple months ago, I believe. Not much has actually happened the past while.
    Ah fair enough. I hadn't walked down that way in quite a while and hadn't seen anything on here about it.
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    I don't know specifically where things are at, but don't expect significant movement on this site until next year, or very late this year at the earliest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    I don't know specifically where things are at, but don't expect significant movement on this site until next year, or very late this year at the earliest.
    Perhaps...but at least they have not leveled out the lot and slap an impark dispenser on the site either to make it a parking lot...

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    I went by there today and the backhoe is digging up concrete.
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    Anyone know if the project has commenced?

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    Rezoning is still quite early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Anyone know if the project has commenced?
    Haven't even seen a floor plan or rendering. With the exception of the Pearl, we've done all of Regency's past 5 or 6 projects. It's a ways off yet.

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    A gravel parking lot is going to have the community up in arms....maybe Edmonton Motors can add more pickups to the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    A gravel parking lot is going to have the community up in arms....maybe Edmonton Motors can add more pickups to the site.
    Free parking!!

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    Just got letter in mail from Stantec about this project. The site plan has been revised to a podium with a single tower - 40 storeys. No second tower.
    Proposal is for a commercial/residential mixed use development consisting of a four storey podium and one slim residential high rise tower with a max of 320 units.
    This is a second notification letter to area residents following consultation with community and city admin.
    Tower will be on west side of site.

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    Two towers was a very tight fit. Glad to see a single tower. Now hopefully they improve the podium design.

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    So apartment hotel concept is gonzo?

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    ^^ Looks like the old apartment building behind it is sitting empty. Is this being torn down as well?
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    Single, how large?
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    Oh my, not this building?

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    ^I thought that building was being renovated? Didn't they recently install new windows...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesL View Post
    ^I thought that building was being renovated? Didn't they recently install new windows...?
    Looks like new windows on there if you look at the link from Google provided.

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    jasper ave from 109 st to 124 st need many high rise towers to at least 30-40 stories tall then it will look so amazing while viewing from the southside
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    I would like a bit more of a canyon, but more crucially we need street front retail and active frontages without setbacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesL View Post
    ^I thought that building was being renovated? Didn't they recently install new windows...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    I would like a bit more of a canyon, but more crucially we need street front retail and active frontages without setbacks.
    Yes, that part of Jasper needs more of an urban interface. As it stands it's very fragmented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^^ Looks like the old apartment building behind it is sitting empty. Is this being torn down as well?
    I walked by this site again after work. Mainstreet has put up banners on the sides of the building advertising forthcoming apartment space for rent, so it looks like this one will be around for a while yet, thankfully.

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    Soil testing today (or I guess I should say yesterday...)

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    This is a nice location to put some new towers. Hope it goes ahead.

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    ^This has nothing to do with Lamb. You're confusing your projects, again.

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    ^ Sorry my bad, again. There's also a Jasper House on Jasper at about the elbow and 124th street but its called Jasper House suites or something like that. Too many Jasper House's.

    Actually I noticed yesterday a white piece of equipment on the site. They've been testing soil for a couple of days now.
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    Anyone got an updated rendering of this? Is Jim Der still the lead on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by finishstrong View Post
    Anyone got an updated rendering of this? Is Jim Der still the lead on it?

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    Any news on this lately ?
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    Behind the scenes rezoning stuff is my guess.
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    I go by the site every day and see a hole in the ground. My guess is Regency is waiting for the economy to improve so they can compete with other projects for a shrinking labour pool. I know that doesn't make sense but neither does sitting on the property doing nothing.
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    They are in the rezoning process guys, this takes a while and would mean zero site work.
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    They're wrapping up Edgewater and going full speed ahead on The Link. I would imagine when Edgewater finishes early next year that they'll shift over to this site. I'd think that dirt won't be getting moved until the middle of next year, give or take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I go by the site every day and see a hole in the ground. My guess is Regency is waiting for the economy to improve so they can compete with other projects for a shrinking labour pool. I know that doesn't make sense but neither does sitting on the property doing nothing.
    Tell that to the Arlington owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regency Developments
    We are anticipating a mixed use residential & commercial tower.. The sky's the limit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Regency Developments
    we are anticipating minimum one 40 story tower. No news on the time line yet. Stay tuned!
    Might be a bit taller than 40, maybe?
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    'Tower'

    Giant podium with resi above?
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    How do you get that from the word "tower"?

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    I wonder if the recently burned down apartment adjacent to this site will be absorbed into this project?
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    Probably not, as there's an alley in between properties, so they will always be separated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisvazquez7 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Regency Developments
    We are anticipating a mixed use residential & commercial tower.. The sky's the limit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Regency Developments
    we are anticipating minimum one 40 story tower. No news on the time line yet. Stay tuned!
    Might be a bit taller than 40, maybe?
    Or, with "minimum one" are they suggesting 2 towers, as we've heard previously?
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    Isn't the project on two separate lots?
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    ^ legally it's on four.

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    33 and a 40 for Oliver, a few blocks west of downtown on Jasper Avenue


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    I cannot see them doing 2 there to be honest, my guess is 1 with a larger podium.
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    ^ Not unless Shoppers is going to be demoed, I agree. Looking forward to see some hoarding going up soon.
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    I hope they get creative with this one. Some colour would be nice.

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    ^ Either way its going to be a great addition in the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ Not unless Shoppers is going to be demoed, I agree. Looking forward to see some hoarding going up soon.
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    Absolutely nothing, since it's on the other side of 114 St.
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    Is this just 2 towers then?
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    ^ at most, this project is (and always has been) two towers.

    When I measure the site in Google Earth and Marble, I get 67X44 metres. That is about 6 metres shorter than I get for the Fox Towers site (73X44), so indeed, superficially it does look a bit tight for two towers, unless they're narrower than Fox (not out of the question either.)
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    ^ That's what I thought. If the developer bought out the building beside this project then they could really do it right. Kind of like Edgewater downtown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    ^ at most, this project is (and always has been) two towers.

    When I measure the site in Google Earth and Marble, I get 67X44 metres. That is about 6 metres shorter than I get for the Fox Towers site (73X44), so indeed, superficially it does look a bit tight for two towers, unless they're narrower than Fox (not out of the question either.)
    The big difference is the Fox shadows don't fall across some of the most dense residential development in Edmonton.
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    Fox is also just a couple meters from the north property line, and it works because it's just a parkade.
    Here's it's another prime redevelopment site that could host another tower if the two towers on this site is a valid precedent, so there should be a full 12.5m (half the zoning 25m recommendation) setback on that side.

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    I noticed a backhoe type vehicle on the property on my afternoon commute. Maybe that's a good sign.
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    I just walked by and the backhoe was clearing the rubble of the tragic loss that was the old burnt apartment building. It was sad watching it dig through all of those bricks. I assume that lot will be cleared and used as the staging area for construction on the new towers.

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    ^ I was kind of hoping that same backhoe I mentioned above wasn't going to sit there for about 5 weeks and do nothing. I doubt the backhoe has anythig to do with the project itself. Most likely Regency is still looking for a building permit. When Regency puts up hoarding, then I'll get excited.
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    ^Regency needs their zoning and then a Development Permit BEFORE they start excavating the site. This is a few months away yet.

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    I cannot WAIT to see these renderings. It'll really help to start tying our skyline together and not leave Pearl so isolated.

    I'm really happy for Regency and their history and what they're doing for the city. I wish them profit and success.

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    Lets hope we see some renders this summer.
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    ^and hopefully they won't be the same ones they went to EDC with! #hotmess
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    I had no idea this even went to EDC. Hell, not even some renders have been seen. Well, except by some of the developer insiders, apparently. Is this under state secrecy or something?
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    I wish all material presented at EDC was available to the public

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