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    Accompanying Global News article

    Edmonton’s river valley funicular project nearing completion
    http://globalnews.ca/news/3654609/ed...ng-completion/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Accompanying Global News article

    Edmonton’s river valley funicular project nearing completion
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    Looking good. Just have to add the suicide barriers.

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    I was wondering about those...
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    Construction update from 2017.09.10.










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    I gotta say, that design is incredible.
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    Love it, thanks for the pictures!

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    Hopefully the beauty of this project will convert some of the haters into fans...
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    Thanks for great photos.
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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...284355?cmp=rss

    Edmonton's funicular will be taking people into and out of the river valley before winter, according to the City of Edmonton.

    "We're still on track to be opening up this fall," said Jesse Banford, director of facility infrastructure delivery.
    Banford said the city is looking at doing a grand opening some time after the election in October.

    "We're attending to the final touches," he said. "We're 90 to 95 per cent complete."

    The work is scheduled to be done by the end of December, he said.

    There will be no charge to use the funicular, which passengers can summon by pushing a call button.
    The funicular will take people from the top of the river bank, behind the Hotel Macdonald, to the mid-way point which looks out over the valley.
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    Interesting for mid-sept was being used not very long ago, that said, it seemed quite aggressive.
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    ^ Wonder what they're going to do for security? I am expecting that once the temperature drops it might be occupied with people trying to stay warm and possibly using it for nefarious activities.

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    There is not going to be 'security', but many features were incorporated through CPTED. EPS will certainly patrol it with BEATS.

    With regards to the funicular itself, it is not heated and not fully enclosed so that you do not want to take shelter in it. It is partially open to make it uncomfortable to be in for long periods.
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    If it's a free ride you could find anybody on it. Would be scary alone in the dark. This is Edmonton so likely someone will be stabbed and robbed there within a week of opening.

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    If anybody's in the river valley, the funicular looks great lit up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    If it's a free ride you could find anybody on it. Would be scary alone in the dark. This is Edmonton so likely someone will be stabbed and robbed there within a week of opening.
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    It's very much open space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    If it's a free ride you could find anybody on it. Would be scary alone in the dark. This is Edmonton so likely someone will be stabbed and robbed there within a week of opening.
    maybe we should start charging a fee to use our sidewalks and picnic areas and park benches and pedways too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mla View Post
    ^ Wonder what they're going to do for security? I am expecting that once the temperature drops it might be occupied with people trying to stay warm and possibly using it for nefarious activities.

    Yeah, given the long history of crime on that nearby staircase, Top_Dawg fully expects this fornicular to be a total $hit and pi$$ magnet.

    Both literally and figuratively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    If it's a free ride you could find anybody on it. Would be scary alone in the dark. This is Edmonton so likely someone will be stabbed and robbed there within a week of opening.
    You could leave out the, "this is Edmonton" part of that. Crime and violence are not just an Edmonton problem.

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    This area is also lit quite well at night.
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    I wonder if the city is pushing for the funicular to be finished before the municipal election.
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    I was told so, but the last article says Nov.
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    Are the stairs ready? If so, it would be nice if they could get those open. As a pedestrian coming from the SE getting up there sucks.

    The lighting around the new stuff looks pretty good. You know where there is crap lighting? The staircase from the parking garage to the music hall. Where pedestrians have been diverted for some time now.

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    Looks great. Still a waste of money.

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    I believe its finished but they're waiting until after the election to open it.

    The funicular is a great addition for those with mobility issues. Also, it will serve to connect downtown with the river valley much more prominently than before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mnugent View Post
    I believe its finished but they're waiting until after the election to open it.
    Makes sense, once they open it and see only a handful of people using it (mostly just IanO with his rat/dog, and Medwards stalking behind), it would be bad press for the mayor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Looks great. Still a waste of money.
    Even if you think of it as a waste (which I certainly don't), remember the majority came from the feds; would you rather see construction crews employed here, or in Quebec or Ontario?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Looks great. Still a waste of money.
    Even if you think of it as a waste (which I certainly don't), remember the majority came from the feds; would you rather see construction crews employed here, or in Quebec or Ontario? Even if the things breaks down constantly and they have to close it, we still got the staircase improvements from the project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Looks great. Still a waste of money.
    Even if you think of it as a waste (which I certainly don't), remember the majority came from the feds; would you rather see construction crews employed here, or in Quebec or Ontario?
    The money didn't have to be used for a funicular (it could have been almost anything in the River Valley), as has been noted in the thread - do some learning on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Looks great. Still a waste of money.
    Even if you think of it as a waste (which I certainly don't), remember the majority came from the feds; would you rather see construction crews employed here, or in Quebec or Ontario?
    The money didn't have to be used for a funicular (it could have been almost anything in the River Valley), as has been noted in the thread - do some learning on it.
    It's interesting that no one seems to complain about the addition of an elevator at the river's edge.

    Also it seems that no one wanted a beach, because one would use it, then when we get one, loads of people use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Looks great. Still a waste of money.
    Even if you think of it as a waste (which I certainly don't), remember the majority came from the feds; would you rather see construction crews employed here, or in Quebec or Ontario?
    The money didn't have to be used for a funicular (it could have been almost anything in the River Valley), as has been noted in the thread - do some learning on it.
    It's interesting that no one seems to complain about the addition of an elevator at the river's edge.

    Also it seems that no one wanted a beach, because one would use it, then when we get one, loads of people use it.
    I would rather see construction crews employed in QC or ON, yes, if it was on something that will get more use. Just building something (as good as it might look) because money is available is not a good idea. If these kinds of things happen on a regular basis, the city should have a library full of vetted, valuable concepts and designs for things that will get lots of use and they can just pull one off the shelf. This just seemed like money was dangled in front of municipalities and the first to throw a design at them would get it. So the city dusted off a summer project from a co-op student.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Looks great. Still a waste of money.
    Even if you think of it as a waste (which I certainly don't), remember the majority came from the feds; would you rather see construction crews employed here, or in Quebec or Ontario?
    The money didn't have to be used for a funicular (it could have been almost anything in the River Valley), as has been noted in the thread - do some learning on it.
    It's interesting that no one seems to complain about the addition of an elevator at the river's edge.

    Also it seems that no one wanted a beach, because one would use it, then when we get one, loads of people use it.
    75m would have gone a long way to making accidental beach permanent and sanitary, perhaps even some facilities like change rooms, and similar. That really is something of value to a lot of people in Edmonton and unlike the funicular, made the national news. Alternatively, the money could have paid for a jet boat summer water taxi for decades, linking Windermere / Hawerlak / Rosdale, or similar - instead of replicating a funicular that is already there (in the Shaw), there would be a new connection / access.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Looks great. Still a waste of money.
    Even if you think of it as a waste (which I certainly don't), remember the majority came from the feds; would you rather see construction crews employed here, or in Quebec or Ontario?
    The money didn't have to be used for a funicular (it could have been almost anything in the River Valley), as has been noted in the thread - do some learning on it.
    It's interesting that no one seems to complain about the addition of an elevator at the river's edge.

    Also it seems that no one wanted a beach, because one would use it, then when we get one, loads of people use it.
    75m would have gone a long way to making accidental beach permanent and sanitary, perhaps even some facilities like change rooms, and similar. That really is something of value to a lot of people in Edmonton and unlike the funicular, made the national news. Alternatively, the money could have paid for a jet boat summer water taxi for decades, linking Windermere / Hawerlak / Rosdale, or similar - instead of replicating a funicular that is already there (in the Shaw), there would be a new connection / access.
    Where did 75 million come from? The funicular was 24million if I recall.
    Accidental beach didn't exist when the funicular was funded, so I'm not sure how you allocate funds to something accidental that hadn't happened yet.
    As for making accidental beach "sanitary", 24 million or 75 million aren't nearly the amount required to address the storm water issues coming in or the combined sewer overflow that occurs. That is a billion dollar issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Where did 75 million come from? The funicular was 24million if I recall.
    My bad.

    The cost for the funicular is $24 million, which is part of a greater budget of $72.9 million for other projects in the river valley including boat launches and upgraded trails.

    The city's contribution is $1.7 million, with the balance coming from the federal and provincial governments and the River Valley Alliance
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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...284355?cmp=rss

    As to the beach, I am no engineer (I don't know if it just needs a longer pipe into the river, or is a bigger issue, or should be located elsewhere on the river). But I do know that building a funicular a 5 minute walk from an already functioning funicular is not the smartest way to enhance access to a river valley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
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    Where did 75 million come from? The funicular was 24million if I recall.
    My bad.

    The cost for the funicular is $24 million, which is part of a greater budget of $72.9 million for other projects in the river valley including boat launches and upgraded trails.

    The city's contribution is $1.7 million, with the balance coming from the federal and provincial governments and the River Valley Alliance
    .

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...284355?cmp=rss

    As to the beach, I am no engineer (I don't know if it just needs a longer pipe into the river, or is a bigger issue, or should be located elsewhere on the river). But I do know that building a funicular a 5 minute walk from an already functioning funicular is not the smartest way to enhance access to a river valley.
    Have you looked at where the Shaw lets you off?
    It's on the other side of an extremely busy road way and elevated from the park. There is no access from there to the actual lower level promenade area (the main trail system) without a large hill after crossing that busy roadway. You cannot get barrier free access from the upper elevated road crossing as it just has stairs going to the upper level of the park. There would have been a need for significant modifications to tie that system to reaching into Louise McKinney park in the same barrier free manner. You can make an argument that the funding should have been used to modify and extend that system to offer true barrier free access. There would have been a substantial investment required into that as well, likely less though, but equating the current Shaw system to what has been built is not apples to apples.

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    I'll judge the funicular once it's open. Not going to call it a boondoggle until we know traffic numbers. There was no traffic on the Henday before it was built either, so they had to hope that their reasons for spending billions to build it were accurate. Same with the funicular.
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    Is it my imagination or are some of the barriers coming down (by the Hotel Mac)?
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    Looks like the River Valley funicular is close to opening. The concrete barriers are being taken away.
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    Just in time for winter. Great timing.

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    Lets see how they do with ice and snow removal to keep it accessible...
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    It is good timing, on time as a matter of fact.

    They have plans for the spaces, similar to parks and other city/public spots.
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    ^
    Looks cool! Is it open yet?
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    Not quite. A few requirements yet to clear from 'the authority' I believe.
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    Below is an aerial or satellite shot from the About the Project page at Edmonton.ca
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton.ca

    It should make the last leg of the bicycle commute up the hill to Downtown from Cloverdale or those who commute along Mill Creek Ravine a fair bit easier, since its not too far from the Low Level Bridge. I'm sure most hard core cyclists don't mind the 50 metre elevation change, but it may make the commute more palatable for the average cyclist.
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    Looks amazing, great addition to dt/valley.
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    Is our escalator done yet?
    There was no need to change that plaque. We are the City of Champions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Is our escalator done yet?
    Yep, November is half over and not a peep about any opening. With the snow flying and ice as suspected I doubt we see this open any time this winter. Too bad, this project seemed to be on track and now with it all looking like its been completed for awhile all these delays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Is our escalator done yet?
    Yep, November is half over and not a peep about any opening. With the snow flying and ice as suspected I doubt we see this open any time this winter. Too bad, this project seemed to be on track and now with it all looking like its been completed for awhile all these delays.
    Delays?

    Even the slightest little thing goes wrong, it’s a certainty that someone would be saying that it’s a failure of a project, they are all incompetent, they rushed the opening...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Is our escalator done yet?
    Yep, November is half over and not a peep about any opening. With the snow flying and ice as suspected I doubt we see this open any time this winter. Too bad, this project seemed to be on track and now with it all looking like its been completed for awhile all these delays.
    AEDARSA, the elevator 'body', came in late in the game (like they often do) and placed conditions... good times.
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    Wish they'd gone with something a little more timeless with regards to the design. This is gonna age as well as the Law Courts, stylistically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Wish they'd gone with something a little more timeless with regards to the design. This is gonna age as well as the Law Courts, stylistically.
    I agree. The climate is going to be hard on the design elements of this project.
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    Open the friggin' stairs already.

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    They can't. There has to be a full safety audit, forms to fill out in quadruplicate, professional engineers to review and stairologists to ensure the feng shui and the planets are aligned before they open the stairs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Is our escalator done yet?
    Yep, November is half over and not a peep about any opening. With the snow flying and ice as suspected I doubt we see this open any time this winter. Too bad, this project seemed to be on track and now with it all looking like its been completed for awhile all these delays.
    AEDARSA, the elevator 'body', came in late in the game (like they often do) and placed conditions... good times.
    Ahhh, not surprised to hear that and last I heard they were testing the elevator component since summertime.

    Oh well, probably a worse thing if elevators didn't involve so much inspection and ongoing certification and such. Albeit one wishes it could occur a bit more efficiently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Is our escalator done yet?
    Yep, November is half over and not a peep about any opening. With the snow flying and ice as suspected I doubt we see this open any time this winter. Too bad, this project seemed to be on track and now with it all looking like its been completed for awhile all these delays.
    Delays?

    Even the slightest little thing goes wrong, it’s a certainty that someone would be saying that it’s a failure of a project, they are all incompetent, they rushed the opening...
    Don't mind me. I think maybe I'm conditioned to think theres delays on every project I see from the first page of the thread this is supposed to open in 2017. So they're still gold, hehe.
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    Correct me if I am wrong, I see no ramp for bicycles like on many other stairs in the river valley. Is there a ramp or are cyclists forced to use the elevator and funicular?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post

    Correct me if I am wrong, I see no ramp for bicycles like on many other stairs in the river valley. Is there a ramp or are cyclists forced to use the elevator and funicular?
    They’ll be adding a bike lane down the road for bikers. What’s the harm with one less vehicle lane anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post

    They’ll be adding a bike lane down the road for bikers.
    You're probably joking, but that's actually the right way to do it. The 3-lane McDougall Hill should be one lane each way with a bike lane direct from the low-level bridge up to downtown.
    There can only be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Wish they'd gone with something a little more timeless with regards to the design. This is gonna age as well as the Law Courts, stylistically.
    I still like the Law Courts design but it’s sad that it’s been allowed to get so dirty and stained that it looks derelict - or - well actually that is the definition of being derelict isn’t it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post

    They’ll be adding a bike lane down the road for bikers.
    You're probably joking, but that's actually the right way to do it. The 3-lane McDougall Hill should be one lane each way with a bike lane direct from the low-level bridge up to downtown.
    My bike lane loving friends are going to be thrilled when I tell them what I may have started here.

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