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    Default Windows 10 - privacy issue?

    Anyone upgraded to Windows 10 yet?

    I am probably going to wait for a bit.

    However, I am concerned about the privacy policy that's starting on Aug 1
    http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/

    We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services.
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    I'm trying to download it. Looks like its a huge imrpovement over the jumbled mess that Windows 8 was (not more having applications take over your entire screen, with various swipes required to get rid of it).

    I have had some downloand issues. I deleted all the download files, and am trying activation from command prompt. Will figure it out eventually, I think it probably gets corrupted easily right now as a lot of people downloading.

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    Yes, have it running on both machines at home, and at work. Very similar to Windows 8 actually in a lot of ways, especially the start menu.

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    Recommend that people do a fresh install, rather than upgrade. You can thank me later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Recommend that people do a fresh install, rather than upgrade. You can thank me later.
    Pretty sure you have to do the upgrade first, before you can do the fresh install.

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    I did the upgrade. I have had only 1 issue to date, but the OS itself is a great meld of classic windows with a more current layout and feel.

    The only issue is that Norton and Edge are not playing well with extensions.
    Onward and upward

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Recommend that people do a fresh install, rather than upgrade. You can thank me later.
    Pretty sure you have to do the upgrade first, before you can do the fresh install.
    Not necessarily, you can download a media creator tool from Microsoft that will allow you to create bootable media such as on a USB flash drive, or an ISO file to then burn to DVD, or mount. It downloads the same files as you would get over Windows Update. You'll still need your Product Key to activate it during the install if doing a fresh install, or you also have the option to just do an upgrade.

    Also, the upgrade for Win10 went incredibly smooth. The best upgrade I've seen yet from Microsoft. That being said, a fresh install never hurts either, but if you have a lot of stuff you don't want to do, try the upgrade first. This is coming from someone who always recommended a fresh install on each new OS release, and never going with the upgrade path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Anyone upgraded to Windows 10 yet?

    I am probably going to wait for a bit.

    However, I am concerned about the privacy policy that's starting on Aug 1
    http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/

    We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services.
    Wasn't this for US based businesses and people?
    Onward and upward

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    Quote Originally Posted by lobbdogg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Recommend that people do a fresh install, rather than upgrade. You can thank me later.
    Pretty sure you have to do the upgrade first, before you can do the fresh install.
    Not necessarily, you can download a media creator tool from Microsoft that will allow you to create bootable media such as on a USB flash drive, or an ISO file to then burn to DVD, or mount. It downloads the same files as you would get over Windows Update. You'll still need your Product Key to activate it during the install if doing a fresh install, or you also have the option to just do an upgrade.

    Also, the upgrade for Win10 went incredibly smooth. The best upgrade I've seen yet from Microsoft. That being said, a fresh install never hurts either, but if you have a lot of stuff you don't want to do, try the upgrade first. This is coming from someone who always recommended a fresh install on each new OS release, and never going with the upgrade path.
    this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Anyone upgraded to Windows 10 yet?

    I am probably going to wait for a bit.

    However, I am concerned about the privacy policy that's starting on Aug 1
    http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/

    We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services.
    By the posts above, the loss of privacy seems to be a non-issue.

    The way of the future I guess. Hackers already have it all, or can get it all (and post it all online) anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    this.
    Hmm, thought I'd read somewhere that you had to do the upgrade first to get your old product key registered/activated prior to doing the fresh install. But I haven't done too much digging, so perhaps that's not actually required. I'll likely not be upgrading for another month or two while the kinks get worked out and while I wait for the new Skylake architecture for a new PC.

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    I upgraded on day one. Even though I had reserved my copy I didn't get a notification, but being the nerd that I am I couldn't wait, so I forced it.

    If you want to force the upgrade you can launch a command prompt as administrator (right click on start button and choose "Command Prompt (Admin)". The admin part is important.

    Then execute the following: wuauclt.exe/updatenow

    It will appear like nothing is happening but if you open your windows update window you will see that the download has started.

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    Now I did run into a bug after upgrading, and a fairly serious one. However it's easy to fix. The problem is that you may not have ownership of your files and folders after you upgrade which means you won't be able to edit your files or create new files. The solution is simple:

    1. In File Explorer tight click on your user folder and choose Properties
    2. Click the Security tab
    3. Click the Advanced button
    4. Where it says "Owner: " click the Change link
    5. Type in your username or your Microsoft email address and click Check Names
    6. Assuming your name resolved, click OK
    7. Check the box below your username "Replace owner on subcontainers and objects"
    8. Click OK

    If you have a lot of files it will take a few minutes to update the security on all your files and folders.

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    I finally have it running on my computer (took a few attempts to download). When it first ran, wifi was connected, but the browser would not work. A reboot fixed that. Must say, I like this a lot, way better than Windows 8, and also fresher than windows 7. Nice. There has been comment that this might be the "last" version of Windows, from now on, Microsoft will just revise and update components over time.

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    It is indeed the last version of Windows. Every piece of it is an updatable app/component. Even the start menu and the settings app. Easy to update without having to update the entire operating system.

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    Ads! Really? Nothing comes for free.

    Seems that if it shares your passwords, you'd better make them really unique.


    Windows 10: Microsoft under attack over privacy

    "Hundreds of commenters on sites such as Hacker News and Reddit have criticised default settings that send personal information to Microsoft, use bandwidth to upload data to other computers running the operating system, share Wi-Fi passwords with online friends and remove the ability to opt out of security updates.

    Many of the complaints relate to the new personalised adverts embedded in Windows 10. When the OS is installed, Microsoft assigns the user a unique advertising ID, which it ties to the email address registered with the company. That email address is also associated with a raft of other services, such as the company’s productivity and communication programs, as well as app downloads and cloud-storage uploads. ..."

    http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...fault-settings

    Windows 10 is spying on almost everything you do – here’s how to opt out

    By Zach Epstein on Jul 31, 2015 at 9:05 AM
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    http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10...ow-to-opt-out/
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    Well, we've been warned for years. And here it is. The average n00b will have no clue and when they find out probably won't give a rats turd.

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    Thank god I have a Mac!
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    Oh brother. Are you guys really buying into these scare articles?

    First of all, Windows 10 does not share your wifi password. Rather it has a very cool feature that allows you to share your wifi connection with your contacts when you choose, without having to give them your password. The other side of "wifi sense" is that it will tell you when you are in range of an open wifi network and asks you if you want to connect.

    And as for that EULA I don't see anything to worry about there either. Of course they're going to protect their customers and their systems and comply with applicable laws. What exactly is so scary about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    Thank god I have a Mac!
    yes thank god you have a mac

    The only business model for Apple is narcissism.
    Macs are ridiculously overpriced.
    Macs regularly ignore mainstream industry trends.
    Mac OS X is merely a locked down version of open-source Linux
    There is no right-f*cking-click!
    The Dock, and general screen layout, is re-tarded.
    “It just… doesn’t work.” (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.)
    Software and hardware options for Mac are lame, or slim at best.
    Gaming, and graphics in general, suck on Macs
    Macs are not flexible or customizable.

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    I've had my computer for 10 years now.
    Furthermore, I bought my computer as a year old open box item. The mouse and keyboard were from my previous mac.
    The total time I have spent maintaining/troubleshooting it so far is about 15 minutes.
    The computer is still fast and capable of handling today's software.
    I have a third party right clicking mouse.
    The layout suits me fine.
    I don't do games on my mac, even though I can.
    I had no need to customize my mac because everything works the way they should in the first place.
    I am experiencing problems with my mouse now, gee I wonder why? lol

    I would rather be using my computer instead of fixing it up all the time, much like how you want with transportation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    Thank god I have a Mac!
    yes thank god you have a mac

    The only business model for Apple is narcissism.
    Macs are ridiculously overpriced.
    Macs regularly ignore mainstream industry trends.
    Mac OS X is merely a locked down version of open-source Linux
    There is no right-f*cking-click!
    The Dock, and general screen layout, is re-tarded.
    “It just… doesn’t work.” (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.)
    Software and hardware options for Mac are lame, or slim at best.
    Gaming, and graphics in general, suck on Macs
    Macs are not flexible or customizable.

    OS X is a Mach kernel with a FreeBSD userland. No Linux at all.
    And there is right click, you just need a mouse with the button.

    Rest is opinion....
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    Can you guys please quit turning this thread into another Mac vs Windows debate? That's not why I started this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    And as for that EULA I don't see anything to worry about there either. Of course they're going to protect their customers and their systems and comply with applicable laws. What exactly is so scary about that?
    Privacy and confidentiality is a big thing. Regardless if you're working with Revenue Canada tax data or just writing your potential blockbuster screenplay, do you really want all your data harvested by Microsoft? That's what I'm wondering about.

    On a more humorous note, imagine surfing for porn and then getting spammed with porn advertising!
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    Sorry dude, can't let misinformation exist on the internet. I'll show myself out.
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    Some of you really couldn't care if MS is snooping through your emails and what you have bookmarked? Wow. I've loved how the masses over the years have just come to accept Big Brother and not give a crap about the right to their own personal privacy. Slowly, the Gov't & Corps are winning and we're letting them do it, probably because there's to much quality reality TV to be seen and it acts as the perfect distraction for Joe Six Pack.

    Microsoft’s new small print – how your personal data is (ab)used

    Microsoft has renewed its Privacy Policy and Service Agreement. The new services agreement goes into effect on 1 August 2015, only a couple of days after the launch of the Windows 10 operating system on 29 July.

    The new “privacy dashboard” is presented to give the users a possibility to control their data related to various products in a centralised manner. Microsoft’s deputy general counsel, Horacio Gutierrez, wrote in a blog post that Microsoft believes “that real transparency starts with straightforward terms and policies that people can clearly understand”. We copied and pasted the Microsoft Privacy Statement and the Services Agreement into a document editor and found that these “straightforward” terms are 22 and 23 pages long respectively. Summing up these 45 pages, one can say that Microsoft basically grants itself very broad rights to collect everything you do, say and write with and on your devices in order to sell more targeted advertising or to sell your data to third parties. The company appears to be granting itself the right to share your data either with your consent “or as necessary”.

    A French tech news website Numerama analysed the new privacy policy and found a number of conditions users should be aware of:

    By default, when signing into Windows with a Microsoft account, Windows syncs some of your settings and data with Microsoft servers, for example “web browser history, favorites, and websites you have open” as well as “saved app, website, mobile hotspot, and Wi-Fi network names and passwords”. Users can however deactivate this transfer to the Microsoft servers by changing their settings.
    I'm not going to post the full article because of forum rules but here's the link.

    https://edri.org/microsofts-new-smal...l-data-abused/

    The good news is you can opt out and turn much of the spying off. Use this link as a guide if need be.

    http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10...ow-to-opt-out/


    My bad, now see KC's link.
    Last edited by Kitlope; 02-08-2015 at 02:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulliver View Post
    Sorry dude, can't let misinformation exist on the internet. I'll show myself out.
    "Misinformation on the internet". Good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bulliver View Post
    Sorry dude, can't let misinformation exist on the internet. I'll show myself out.
    "Misinformation on the internet". Good one.
    the misinformnet ... I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    Some of you really couldn't care if MS is snooping through your emails and what you have bookmarked? Wow. I've loved how the masses over the years have just come to accept Big Brother and not give a crap about the right to their own personal privacy. Slowly, the Gov't & Corps are winning and we're letting them do it, probably because there's to much quality reality TV to be seen and it acts as the perfect distraction for Joe Six Pack.

    Microsoft’s new small print – how your personal data is (ab)used

    Microsoft has renewed its Privacy Policy and Service Agreement. The new services agreement goes into effect on 1 August 2015, only a couple of days after the launch of the Windows 10 operating system on 29 July.

    The new “privacy dashboard” is presented to give the users a possibility to control their data related to various products in a centralised manner. Microsoft’s deputy general counsel, Horacio Gutierrez, wrote in a blog post that Microsoft believes “that real transparency starts with straightforward terms and policies that people can clearly understand”. We copied and pasted the Microsoft Privacy Statement and the Services Agreement into a document editor and found that these “straightforward” terms are 22 and 23 pages long respectively. Summing up these 45 pages, one can say that Microsoft basically grants itself very broad rights to collect everything you do, say and write with and on your devices in order to sell more targeted advertising or to sell your data to third parties. The company appears to be granting itself the right to share your data either with your consent “or as necessary”.

    A French tech news website Numerama analysed the new privacy policy and found a number of conditions users should be aware of:

    By default, when signing into Windows with a Microsoft account, Windows syncs some of your settings and data with Microsoft servers, for example “web browser history, favorites, and websites you have open” as well as “saved app, website, mobile hotspot, and Wi-Fi network names and passwords”. Users can however deactivate this transfer to the Microsoft servers by changing their settings.
    I'm not going to post the full article because of forum rules but here's the link.

    https://edri.org/microsofts-new-smal...l-data-abused/

    The good news is you can opt out and turn much of the spying off. Use this link as a guide if need be.

    http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10...ow-to-opt-out/
    1. If you don't want Microsoft to keep records of where you browse, don't use a Microsoft account. Use a local account instead. At least Microsoft gives you that option, unlike some other companies.

    2. Microsoft does not "snoop" through your emails. Cortana reads your emails currently only to extract flight information, which it then uses to recommend when you leave your house to catch your flight on time based on current traffic conditions. It is a feature for your benefit and Microsoft really doesn't care about your email.

    3. All the stuff that Cortana knows about you can be turned off. She only knows what you tell her, and can only glean information where you allow her to. You are in complete control.

    4. The other guys have been reading your email for years, and don't give you a local account option, nor any options to disable tracking.

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    Downplaying it isn't going to make it go away.

    1. If you don't want Microsoft to keep records of where you browse, don't use a Microsoft account. Use a local account instead. At least Microsoft gives you that option, unlike some other companies.
    I don't, But that's not the point.

    2. Microsoft does not "snoop" through your emails. Cortana reads your emails currently only to extract flight information, which it then uses to recommend when you leave your house to catch your flight on time based on current traffic conditions. It is a feature for your benefit and Microsoft really doesn't care about your email.
    No, it's not a feature to my benefit. And MS would be the first company in history that wouldn't care about my email for purposes I'm sure you can figure out.

    3. All the stuff that Cortana knows about you can be turned off. She only knows what you tell her, and can only glean information where you allow her to. You are in complete control.
    Fair enough however it shouldn't be on by default in the first place. None of these privacy controls should be on by default you should have to opt into them, not out of them.

    4. The other guys have been reading your email for years, and don't give you a local account option, nor any options to disable tracking.
    Yup. And this doesn't make it right. Just because the other guys have been doing it makes it ok for MS, regardless of the option to disable? The other guys is a whole nother ball of wax and because of the other guys we're in this slippery slope. But that makes it ok because the other guys have been reading my emails for years?

    I don't understand how some people simply don't give a sh1t and in fact defend these actions. Boggles the mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulliver View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    Thank god I have a Mac!
    yes thank god you have a mac

    The only business model for Apple is narcissism.
    Macs are ridiculously overpriced.
    Macs regularly ignore mainstream industry trends.
    Mac OS X is merely a locked down version of open-source Linux
    There is no right-f*cking-click!
    The Dock, and general screen layout, is re-tarded.
    “It just… doesn’t work.” (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.)
    Software and hardware options for Mac are lame, or slim at best.
    Gaming, and graphics in general, suck on Macs
    Macs are not flexible or customizable.

    OS X is a Mach kernel with a FreeBSD userland. No Linux at all.
    And there is right click, you just need a mouse with the button.

    Rest is opinion....
    Yeah, relative to my past Microsoft (DOS/Windows) experience (about 5 or 6 personal desktops from the 1980s on, before that it was CP/M2.2), my Apples are a dream. My workplace PCs though performed much better but then we always had IT keeping things going fairly smoothly.

    However on one of my macs I'm running Windows 8 via Parallels and it seems to be working fine, though personally I sure don't care for the non-intuitive nature of Windows 8. Soon with Windows 10 I will have to wonder what else it is up to and what it is accessing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    Downplaying it isn't going to make it go away.

    1. If you don't want Microsoft to keep records of where you browse, don't use a Microsoft account. Use a local account instead. At least Microsoft gives you that option, unlike some other companies.
    I don't, But that's not the point.

    2. Microsoft does not "snoop" through your emails. Cortana reads your emails currently only to extract flight information, which it then uses to recommend when you leave your house to catch your flight on time based on current traffic conditions. It is a feature for your benefit and Microsoft really doesn't care about your email.
    No, it's not a feature to my benefit. And MS would be the first company in history that wouldn't care about my email for purposes I'm sure you can figure out.

    3. All the stuff that Cortana knows about you can be turned off. She only knows what you tell her, and can only glean information where you allow her to. You are in complete control.
    Fair enough however it shouldn't be on by default in the first place. None of these privacy controls should be on by default you should have to opt into them, not out of them.

    4. The other guys have been reading your email for years, and don't give you a local account option, nor any options to disable tracking.
    Yup. And this doesn't make it right. Just because the other guys have been doing it makes it ok for MS, regardless of the option to disable? The other guys is a whole nother ball of wax and because of the other guys we're in this slippery slope. But that makes it ok because the other guys have been reading my emails for years?

    I don't understand how some people simply don't give a sh1t and in fact defend these actions. Boggles the mind.
    Soon your past will determine your future, in that you won't see much that hasn't been vetted by some marketing algorithm based on your past searches, conversations, movements, etc. Moreover everything you see will be designed to extract the most financial wealth from your life. I imagine it could be very much like living in some cult where one's weaknesses and propensities are capitalized on at every opportunity.

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    Telus had security issues with Windows 10 over this last weekend. I'm still using Xp on my 10 year old desktop. Looking to upgrade but my on my 6 year old laptop.
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    ^I wouldn't bother on an old machine, the specs will likely cause you problems I'm guessing, re old drivers for hardware no longer supported and similar. I'd say you would be better off waiting until you buy a new laptop one day.
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    ^ Good advice. I'm thinking about Windows 7 Home premium on my not genuine 6 year old laptop instead.
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    I believe Windows 10 would run better than 7 on an older machine, and you could probably even get away with using old drivers in most cases. You might want to give it a try.

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    ^ TY Is Windows 10 out yet and any idea how much a basic package would cost?
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    Windows 10 came out July 29th. From the Microsoft web store, looks like $119 for a copy if you don't have an existing Windows license that meets the criteria.

    You should really consider moving away from WinXP in whatever fashion makes the most sense, considering MS does not release any new patches for that OS anymore.
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    ^ I got 1 stick of Ram in the desktop but its not seated well. I think its the wrong ram anyway. I put the Ram in about 2007. I'm mostly thinking the W10 should be for the laptop but a retail license would go across more then one platform.
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    Correction Lobbdogg, July 29th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ TY Is Windows 10 out yet and any idea how much a basic package would cost?
    I don't think you can buy it in a box yet but you can download it from Microsoft's website for $149.99.
    http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/...oryID.70036400

    Here's a link to the minimum requirements for Windows 10.
    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...specifications

    I believe it is exactly the same requirements for every Windows version since Vista but the kernel for 10 is supposedly much more efficient than previous versions and will even outperform XP on the old machine. At least that's what they say. I've never tried it.

    In any case, an old machine is still an old machine, so you might want to get something a little newer, even if used. If you buy a used Windows 7 machine for $200 for example, your upgrade to Windows 10 will be free and you'll have a much newer machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Telus had security issues with Windows 10 over this last weekend. I'm still using Xp on my 10 year old desktop. Looking to upgrade but my on my 6 year old laptop.
    Do tell, what issue did TELUS have with Windows 10 last weekend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ I got 1 stick of Ram in the desktop but its not seated well. I think its the wrong ram anyway. I put the Ram in about 2007. I'm mostly thinking the W10 should be for the laptop but a retail license would go across more then one platform.
    the wrong ram wouldn't work. Your PC wouldn't boot without the right ram. If it's not seated well, perhaps the arms that hold the ram in place weren't pushed back up in to place, or are broken (seen broken arms from other less than novice users trying to upgrade/replace ram)

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    I believe it is exactly the same requirements for every Windows version since Vista but the kernel for 10 is supposedly much more efficient than previous versions and will even outperform XP on the old machine. At least that's what they say. I've never tried it.
    I'd be scared to do that. I lost the internal microphone after installing Win 10 and my computer is quite new (a driver/bios issue- ASUS are working on it, love their support by the way), I'm guessing there might be all sorts of problems with hardware components that don't correctly get recognized if you installed on a computer 7 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ I got 1 stick of Ram in the desktop but its not seated well. I think its the wrong ram anyway. I put the Ram in about 2007. I'm mostly thinking the W10 should be for the laptop but a retail license would go across more then one platform.
    the wrong ram wouldn't work. Your PC wouldn't boot without the right ram. If it's not seated well, perhaps the arms that hold the ram in place weren't pushed back up in to place, or are broken (seen broken arms from other less than novice users trying to upgrade/replace ram)
    Ahh, that's good to know, ty. This pc could use a another stick of ram (2 max on this pc) I'm running a 9 x6x6 mobo. Not quite ready for a full upgrade yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    Correction Lobbdogg, July 29th.
    Whoops. Meant July 29th, thanks for the correction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    From the link above...


    Conclusion
    We like to take a healthy dose of cynicism wherever we go, and we approached Windows 10's privacy settings with just that. You should always be concerned about how your data is used and, for the most part, Microsoft has done a fairly good job of explaining how it uses data and makes it exceptionally easy to turn off any settings you don't want.

    It is a little concerning that the world's most popular OS has taken such huge steps into keeping track of our lives by default. When you first install Windows 10, if you choose "Express Settings", all of the above is switched on by default. It pays to read carefully before you install Windows 10 (below).

    http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/softw...-issues-solved

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    So is Windows 10 a download only?
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    Omg, you can go buy a new piece of crap Windows machine for a few hundred bucks, but you're gonna spend $150 on software not even likely to run on your ancient crappy PC? I mean, good for you if it works... But I wouldn't save anything of value, use credit card numbers or do online banking on that thing. I worry for your online privacy just hearing the systems you're running. Find a way to spend a few more bucks and replace the system altogether. If you're fine using an older system and money is a concern, there are places that can help get you up and running on something not so archaic. I seriously worry you'll wind up with random envaneo's popping up all over the world after stealing your identity.

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    I think min system requirements:
    Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster.
    RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
    Free hard disk space: 16 GB
    Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM driver.
    A Microsoft account and Internet access.

    I use gift Visa cards like from Canada Post on the rare occasion I buy anything online. All I do is check my bank balance online anyway. I'm not too worried about identity theft. I don't keep any personal information online or even on this computer. I have a daily blog under my real name. I'm a needle in a haystack. I'd like to get a better computer because I dabble in music production. As for baby envaneo's popping up all over the world I don't have children, or none that I know of
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    As I said before, if you want Windows 10 you're better off buying a decent used computer for $200 and then downloading Windows 10 for free, rather than keeping your old computer and paying $149 for Windows 10. And yes, Windows 10 is only available for download for now.

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    ^ That's probably what I'll end up doing. This system looks pretty good:

    http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX56679

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    I scheduled my upgrade from Windows 7 to 10 to run overnight. I disabled all of the anti-privacy settings as per post #45 (thanks Vincent). No problems other than Windows Defender being disabled by Spybot so I uninstalled the latter (both worked fine on Windows 7). Also I can do without all of Microsoft's bloatware (Calendar, Mail, Phone Companion, News, etc etc), so once I figure out how to customize the Start then I want to see about hiding them.
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    I'm no expert but for those pc users that might not know, and wondering why it tales so long to boot to the desktop. There may be background programs that users rarely or occasionally use. All one does to fix this is Start>Run type in msconfig. Hit the startup tab and un click the boxes of the programs you don't need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    I scheduled my upgrade from Windows 7 to 10 to run overnight. I disabled all of the anti-privacy settings as per post #45 (thanks Vincent). No problems other than Windows Defender being disabled by Spybot so I uninstalled the latter (both worked fine on Windows 7). Also I can do without all of Microsoft's bloatware (Calendar, Mail, Phone Companion, News, etc etc), so once I figure out how to customize the Start then I want to see about hiding them.
    you can just unpin them from start if you don't want to use them. Personally I quite like the news, mail and calendar apps. Phone companion seems kind of useless.

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    Is this a full upgrade or is it the Windows 10 preview.
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    Full Upgrade.

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    I bit the bullet and downloaded Windows 10 from Windows 7. So far I am muddling along with it but I am a bit baffled about all the tool icons I lost on the tool bar. I no longer have the pop-up blocker icon, spell check, print and a host of other functions I used to have at the top of each page.
    Anyone know the solution for this?
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    Are you talking about your browser? The default browser in Windows 10 is Edge, which is replacing IE. Edge is a brand new browser built for Windows 10 and therefore it is quite immature and some would even say not yet ready for prime time. I used it for a while but have gone back to using Chrome for now. I will give Edge another go after the next major update expected in November.
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    ^I like Edge, its fast, and I don't like "fluff". I hope it doesn't bloat up like Chrome or the old IE.

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    ^ ^^Appreciate the feed back. I'm going to go back to Chrome and try to get it close to where it was before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Are you talking about your browser? The default browser in Windows 10 is Edge, which is replacing IE. Edge is a brand new browser built for IE 10 and therefore it is quite immature and some would even say not yet ready for prime time. I used it for a while but have gone back to using Chrome for now. I will give Edge another go after the next major update expected in November.
    Went to Internet Explorer as my default browser. I then successfully re-installed Google Toolbar. I missed the pop-up blocker, spell check etc.
    Edge just seems rater sterile to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^I like Edge, its fast, and I don't like "fluff". I hope it doesn't bloat up like Chrome or the old IE.
    Yes, Edge is the fastest browser, but if you have any favourites inside folders, you can't manage them. There is no context menu, so you can't move, rename, delete or even drag them out of the folder. Once they're in there, they're stuck. I'm sure that will be fixed soon enough but in the meantime it's quite annoying. Also, it still crashes on certain forum sites while editing posts (not C2E). That's the most annoying thing of all.

    Also, Edge is going to be supporting Chrome extensions. This is expected by November.
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    Didn't appreciate Microsoft comparing their new tracking with such platforms as Facebook, twitter, etc, that have used similar.

    What Microsoft is saying is that we're building this in because this is what is in social media and online now so its OK and we're just joining the party. That's the just of whats being stated.

    But users have a choice to use Facebook, Twitter, other social media with known security and intrusion concerns. Online users have a choice with those. Many, including myself choose not to use those platforms.

    But Microsoft 7, 8, 10, whatever are operating systems. Ones that I HAVE to use particularly because my work place requires their use specifically. I can't opt for a different, non Microsoft operating system. Many people would be in a similar predicament. Realistically there is no choice with this. Microsofts move to use increasingly intrusive tracking needs to be checked at this point. We move beyond this point and its just further slippery slope and privacy is some quaint notion of the past.
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    I usually turn all those tracking features off if I can. My feelings of Facebook are the same as Betty White's and I don't do twitter. I don't want to be looking on-line at vehicles or purses then forever being bugged with flashing ads for the same thing. Same as apple games etc. I would rather buy the game so that I don't get annoying ads popping up all the time. The unfortunate part of all this is that companies think they are doing us a favor by constantly bombarding us with these ads.
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    Windows 10 is being adopted at a much faster rate than any previous version of Windows. The prediction is 1 billion devices within "a few years". According to this article it's outpacing Windows 7 adoption by 140% and Windows 8 by 400%.

    Windows 10 now on more than 200 million devices

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    I would hope it gets adopted faster than Windows 8, that was an utter failure and a horrible piece of software.
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    Yes, I'm sure that has a lot to do with it. (Plus it's free of course) I couldn't wait to get rid of Windows 8 on all my PCs.

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    Just remember: If you don't pay for the product, you are the product.

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    I was pretty reluctant to get Windows 8 after all the things I heard about it so I stuck with Windows 7. Then when they were giving free downloads of Windows 10 I put off doing that until about 3 months ago I decided to download it on my laptop. I still run it in Windows 7 mode, things like my desktop etc. The only problem I have had since I downloaded Windows 10 is that I get a run time error on a program (not sure which one) when my laptop is first turned on. My desktop computer hardly gets used so I'm still on Windows 7 with that one.
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    What do you mean by "I run it in Windows 7 mode".

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    If all goes well I hope to be moving over to Mac anyway this Spring.
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    Well my desktop still looks the same as my Windows 7 desktop does. I don't have it Windows 10 style. Unfortunately that's about as technical as I can explain it or my head will explode.
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    The windows 10 desktop essentially is the same as the Windows 7 desktop. Big open space for icons and shortcuts is all it is. It's only in the start menu that you really start to see a difference and a "Windows 10 style".

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    ^Yes that's why I kept my desktop looking like Windows 7 as I just click the icons and I'm where I want to be. My biggest issue is the run time error message I get when I turn the computer on. Something about 'visual C' error. Don't know what that is all about.
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    There's an incompatible program trying to launch at startup. I had experienced this on one of my computers, which had Windows 8 with a third party start menu. Obviously the third party start menu was interfering with the actual Windows 10 start menu.

    Anyway, to help you figure out what program is causing the problem you can go into your task manager and check your list of "start up programs". Disable programs you suspect and then reboot. If you don't see the error on reboot you know it's one of those which you had disabled that's causing the problem.

    This site has a step by step with pictures.
    Manage startup programs
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    ^I will try that later. Thanks for the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    ^Yes that's why I kept my desktop looking like Windows 7 as I just click the icons and I'm where I want to be. My biggest issue is the run time error message I get when I turn the computer on. Something about 'visual C' error. Don't know what that is all about.
    This is how Windows 10 is just in general (no full screen start menu). You're not doing anything specific to use it like Windows 7. But yes, likely just an application that was set to start when Windows starts is trying to load and is erroring after the upgrade.

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    Yeah, but I sure would like to get rid of that error.
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    without much details of your problem, wondering if this helps?

    http://windowsreport.com/microsoft-v...or-windows-10/

    (I offer no support if this messes up your PC further)

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    ^ I'm not sure that would still be an issue, as that was reported for the Windows 10 Technical Preview, not the version released to customers. Not saying it can't still be an issue of some variety, but I'd probably look at disabling startup items first before diving into Device Manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    without much details of your problem, wondering if this helps?

    http://windowsreport.com/microsoft-v...or-windows-10/

    (I offer no support if this messes up your PC further)
    Followed Step #2 on the web-page you gave. Rebooted the computer and the message did not come on. Winning. Will pin the web-site as a reference point if it starts to happen again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Yes, I'm sure that has a lot to do with it. (Plus it's free of course) I couldn't wait to get rid of Windows 8 on all my PCs.
    Microsoft sure seems to be borrowing as much from Google as from Apple recently.

    Also, Win10 barfed up my sister's networking settings on Saturday morning; watching anyone have to go into the registry these days reminds one how far we've come...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dialog View Post
    Microsoft sure seems to be borrowing as much from Google as from Apple recently.
    What are you referring to?

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    They all borrow from each other. It's the nature of the beast.

    GM / Honda / Toyota / Ford all borrow/steal/grow ideas from each other too.

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    Here's a good article that puts into perspective any concerns anyone may have about Windows 10 privacy concerns.

    It's called Telemetry Data

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    Even if Microsoft's intentions were entirely honorable and noble, I'm highly skeptical of the people that say don't worry your data will be safe, when time and time again various security breaches have proven otherwise. A better practice is to not collect the data in the 1st place.

    http://www.extremetech.com/computing...is-it-an-issue

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    I'd just like to earn a royalty or rent and keep ownership on my information rather than having to give it away or swap it for access/service.

    All these companies protect their code as intellectual property but the users don't get any such choice.

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    If it is personal data, you can make up up information. For example you can be an unemployed billionare, 95 years old with 25 kids living in Nome, Alaska. Unfortunately you might be stuck if it is a work computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    If all goes well I hope to be moving over to Mac anyway this Spring.
    Well I didn't get the iMac yet as I'm about 2 years away. So in the meantime I went and bought this. Its limited by its 1 usb port and there's no audio in. Has anyone tried one of these sticks? Its actually not bad:

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    What is this?

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    ^ Sorry the new monitor is playing havoc with my screen resolution on Wxp.

    This is called a Lenova PC stick. It has 2 Gb ram, a 32 Gb hard drive with 1 2.0 usb port. It has a micro usb port. Its from Lenova for $140 at Visions. It's powered by a HDMI slot in the back of the monitor. There are other manufacturers of this idea. They've been out for awhile now.
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    It is a stick PC, reasonably good reviews, there are other similar ones here;
    http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/best-stick-pcs/

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    Seems like it would be a little under powered for the typical user.

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    Actualy its designed for the typical use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    What do you mean by "I run it in Windows 7 mode".
    If you right click on an desktop icon, go to properties and then compatibility you'll see the option to run it in many former Windows versions. It's amazing how some stubborn programs/games will work when changing to former versions, especially upon a new release for Windows when issues are a little more common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    I'm somewhat familiar with Raspberry pi but it's mostly for hobbyists. Until I get my iMac, this will be OK for now.
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