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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    ^^

    apparently only the federal liberal party can do that in canada... but only when they choose to (ie. they choose to for summer student grant funding but not for indiginous and northern affairs funding).
    Should the government fund a summer jobs program that advocates withdrawing the right to vote for women & minorities? Should Ernst Zundel have gotten money to hire students to promote anti-semitism? Is there a limit on what sort of things the government should promote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Holy misleading graphic and citation. Hate numbers are down since 2012 but the visual is an upwards bar with numbers that don't correspond to any linear increase, and don't correspond to an increase at all.

    That misleading Global News graphic lends evidence that some media outlets are dishonestly trying to create a "moral panic" about increasing hate crimes. Honest and open reporting about crimes (including hate crimes) is good, but this is dishonest propaganda.

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    Barbara Kay: B.C. school official protests 'transgender education' — and pays the price
    Long-time trustee slapped with human rights complaint by school district employees after he criticizes curriculum supplements on gender identity

    "Barry Neufeld, a long-time trustee of British Columbia’s Chilliwack School District, hadn’t planned to find himself at the centre of a legal battle, whose outcome could have far-reaching consequences for gender-related teaching programs across Canada.


    But on Jan. 22, the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (JCCF, on whose board I sit), announced it will be defending Neufeld against a human rights complaint laid on behalf of Chilliwack School District employees. Complainant CUPE Local 411 bases its grievance on a school district policy stating staffers have the right to “operate, work or learn in an environment free from harassment.”


    Here “harassment” refers to Neufeld’s outspoken public criticism of curriculum supplements now in district use, known as SOGI 123 (Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity). These materials promote, among other things, the concept that gender is fluid, untethered from biological sex, tenets Neufeld has, since the fall of 2017, publicly criticized as unscientific theory. CUPE 411 also named the Chilliwack School District as a respondent for having violated Sec 13(1)(b) of the B.C. Human Rights Code, in failing to have censured or removed Neufeld for creating an “unsafe” and “discriminatory” working environment for their members."


    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/barb...pays-the-price

    Pretty frightening that a education official can question the validity of sex ed curriculum content, and get accused of being "unsafe" and "discriminatory", and subsequently dragged into a Human Rights court (basically a "parallel" court system where YOU have to prove your innocence instead of someone else having to prove you're guilty).

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    This is India but you can see parallels as rights clash and as the religious followers of one religion see those of another as a threat.


    “valorous Hindus versus evil Islamic invaders.”

    Padmavati release delayed: It's a failure of what India wants to be


    “India has become a republic of “off*ended sentiments” in which one person’s freedom of expression ends where another person’s perceived honour begins. The postponement of Padmavati’s release underlines several disturbing trends. ...

    Then there is the question of artistic licence. The world over, ...Most of all, the politics of Padmavati has exposed the rampant desire under way in some quarters to reimagine our history in simplistic terms as valorous Hindus versus evil Islamic invaders.”


    https://www.dailyo.in/politics/padma...y/1/20721.html

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    Those Superbowl ads last night. Could these ad agencies be more shameless?

    "We need to somehow shoehorn a Martin Luther King speech into our TRUCK ad."
    "Let's spend $6 million on an ad showing how our beer company spent $2 million canning water to send to flood victims."
    "People need to know how our car company has saved cancer victims. Just make sure the logo is prominent while the survivors are tearfully embracing the consumers."

    Or the best one,
    "Let's show a priest, rabbi, Buddhist monk & Muslim cleric all watching a football game together. Oh, and don't forget to include the Catholic nun already at the game!"

    This self-righteous, groan-inducing preachy social awareness needs to just DIE. Hopefully the over-saturation of commercialism will kill it, like it does everything else.

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    ^ It was the Super bowl. The more outrageous the ad the more they can promote. Maybe we should just go back to having Canadian content ads during that event. However it was the voice of the Canadian public that began to cry fowl over not being able to see American Super bowl ads on Canadian channels wasn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Those Superbowl ads last night. Could these ad agencies be more shameless?

    "We need to somehow shoehorn a Martin Luther King speech into our TRUCK ad."
    "Let's spend $6 million on an ad showing how our beer company spent $2 million canning water to send to flood victims."
    "People need to know how our car company has saved cancer victims. Just make sure the logo is prominent while the survivors are tearfully embracing the consumers."

    Or the best one,
    "Let's show a priest, rabbi, Buddhist monk & Muslim cleric all watching a football game together. Oh, and don't forget to include the Catholic nun already at the game!"

    This self-righteous, groan-inducing preachy social awareness needs to just DIE. Hopefully the over-saturation of commercialism will kill it, like it does everything else.
    Those ads were probably in the works months ago. I think a lot of people have moved on from the preachy 'do as I say not as I do' set. The moaning lefties, the Hollywood elite etc. are wearing thin now. People are beginning to see them for the phonies they are. Hopefully this year the lefties have taking enough tranquillizers to be less strident in their rants. Maybe the U S can settle into a pattern of a bit more calm with a lot less angst.
    I have conversed with the worst kind of hectoring, bully pulpit smart-a**e*; dripping with virtuous self-aggrandizing sanctimony.................. and that's just on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Those Superbowl ads last night. Could these ad agencies be more shameless?

    "We need to somehow shoehorn a Martin Luther King speech into our TRUCK ad."
    "Let's spend $6 million on an ad showing how our beer company spent $2 million canning water to send to flood victims."
    "People need to know how our car company has saved cancer victims. Just make sure the logo is prominent while the survivors are tearfully embracing the consumers."

    Or the best one,
    "Let's show a priest, rabbi, Buddhist monk & Muslim cleric all watching a football game together. Oh, and don't forget to include the Catholic nun already at the game!"

    This self-righteous, groan-inducing preachy social awareness needs to just DIE. Hopefully the over-saturation of commercialism will kill it, like it does everything else.
    Those ads were probably in the works months ago. I think a lot of people have moved on from the preachy 'do as I say not as I do' set. The moaning lefties, the Hollywood elite etc. are wearing thin now. People are beginning to see them for the phonies they are. Hopefully this year the lefties have taking enough tranquillizers to be less strident in their rants. Maybe the U S can settle into a pattern of a bit more calm with a lot less angst.
    I certainly don't want Left wing rants to be less strident. I hope to see them perpetually bury themselves in rhetoric.
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    ^They wouldn't bury themselves in perpetual rhetoric as that's all they know. Trump has been a catalyst to keep them all relevant and in the news. If it wasn't for Trump related publicity they would have no publicity at all.
    I have conversed with the worst kind of hectoring, bully pulpit smart-a**e*; dripping with virtuous self-aggrandizing sanctimony.................. and that's just on this forum.

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    The Dodge/King ad was pretty damn tacky, for sure. The water/cancer ones, meh, companies are going to make sure they spread the word far and wide for that kind of thing. The priest/rabbi/monk/cleric/nun one I thought was mildly amusing, and can't see why anyone would bother complaining about it, unless they're a bigot. "Oh my god, that laundry detergent ad had a multi-ethnic family in it. How dare they shove multi-culturalism down my throat!" We are well aware of your raging prejudices, no need for further advertisement of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    "Oh my god, that laundry detergent ad had a multi-ethnic family in it. How dare they shove multi-culturalism down my throat!"
    Racist.

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    Oh look, a selective and cherry picked quote used to misrepresent what was actually said. That's totally out of the ordinary for you and your ilk.

    /sarcasm

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    We'd tell you but you'd just cry about it being a "personal attack" to be lumped in with those who share your beliefs.
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    That was really low of Marcel Petrin to act as if I would get outraged at a commercial showing an interracial couple in it. Completely absurd.

    You people have this weird fetish for calling me racist, though (although I am not racist, and have never said a racist thing)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Who is my ilk?
    People who live in denial of objective reality who are willing to do and say just about anything to beat back the crippling cognitive dissonance they experience almost constantly.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers
    That was really low of Marcel Petrin to act as if I would get outraged at a commercial showing an interracial couple in it. Completely absurd.


    Aw, muffin!

    You came here to post your outrage at a commercial with inter-religious friends in it, and ended your post talking about how such "social awareness needs to just DIE" and your hopes that "
    commercialism will kill it." It's a short hop from there to there.

    Don't say stupid, bigoted things, and I won't point out how stupid and bigoted they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post

    Don't say stupid, bigoted things
    Who was it bigoted against?

    Sorry it hurts your feelings that I thought those commercials were stupid.

    But that doesn't make me racist, like you implied.
    Last edited by MrOilers; 05-02-2018 at 04:28 PM.

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    In good news I'll never have to hear the Band Hedley again on the radio, elevators, public etc. Small unintended public service...Basically charged with being a rock band and having sex with groupies. Taking the bullet as it were for around 80yrs of Rock History out of control abusive hedonism.

    Meanwhile continue to be no news on charges regarding such serial under age sex offender cretins as Gene Simmons, Jimmi Page etc.

    I mean this is the whole music industry for the most part. Why are some charged, not others even though theres been countless complaints alleging sexual assault of minors regarding the prior mentioned. Does money just shut these claims up forever?

    its curious how the rock world has to this point been so immune to prosecution in this regard.

    This being an industry that even advertised "lock up your daughters" tours..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    That was really low of Marcel Petrin to act as if I would get outraged at a commercial showing an interracial couple in it. Completely absurd.

    You people have this weird fetish for calling me racist, though (although I am not racist, and have never said a racist thing)
    Well, by now I think noodle has probably called everyone on c2e at least a racist or bigot. You’re not alone.

    Then there’s the bandwagon effect. Here on c2e we’re not exactly the deepest most rational and objective thinkers around. We let others’ flawed and misguided thinking seep into our own viewpoints and we then parrot those flawed opinions ourselves.
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    I post my comments here and there but I've decided I will not converse with the Big Four. You know who they are. They're just out to slaughter people in here and are radical in their thoughts. They must have a hard life trying to fit in with regular normal folks. lol. I find life less stressful that way. Some people have left the forum because of it but I chose to stay and pick and chose what I read, post or get involved in. I enjoy the info I gather here. I don't have them on ignore but I just ignore them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I post my comments here and there but I've decided I will not converse with the Big Four. You know who they are. They're just out to slaughter people in here and are radical in their thoughts. They must have a hard life trying to fit in with regular normal folks. lol. I find life less stressful that way. Some people have left the forum because of it but I chose to stay and pick and chose what I read, post or get involved in. I enjoy the info I gather here. I don't have them on ignore but I just ignore them.
    Maybe c2e should run a rotating mandatory vacation program where every month or two some proportion of users have to take a one or two month vacation from c2e every year. Post the list and others can seize the moment and jump in to the forum and post away without harassment from their nemesis.

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    Gee, isn't it great that we can condemn someone/thing based on an allegation? And to even think they are guilty until proven innocent! Wow! No trial, no due process, no cross examination, no polygraph (not admissible in a court of law) needed here. Don't like someone or something? Launch an allegation of sexual misconduct. Perfect. It'll make the news. Just think how much we can change the political/cultural landscape by even launching an anonymous allegation. Should someone disagree? Obviously misogynistic pig dogs for disagreeing. This dissenting voice should be hung like the recipients of these allegations. Hey I know. Why don't I anonymously launch an allegation of sexual misconduct against Rachel Notley? I can invent some cockamamie story. It doesn't even have to be true. Oh happy days we live in. Hello, is anyone listening?

    The above hyperbole was inspired by the Dick & Jane mentality department of some people here at c2e and on this thread in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I post my comments here and there but I've decided I will not converse with the Big Four. You know who they are. They're just out to slaughter people in here and are radical in their thoughts. They must have a hard life trying to fit in with regular normal folks. lol. I find life less stressful that way. Some people have left the forum because of it but I chose to stay and pick and chose what I read, post or get involved in. I enjoy the info I gather here. I don't have them on ignore but I just ignore them.
    Maybe c2e should run a rotating mandatory vacation program where every month or two some proportion of users have to take a one or two month vacation from c2e every year. Post the list and others can seize the moment and jump in to the forum and post away without harassment from their nemesis.
    Just post on the weekend and theres less noodles around. Mind you theres hardly any posting here on weekends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I post my comments here and there but I've decided I will not converse with the Big Four. You know who they are. They're just out to slaughter people in here and are radical in their thoughts. They must have a hard life trying to fit in with regular normal folks. lol. I find life less stressful that way. Some people have left the forum because of it but I chose to stay and pick and chose what I read, post or get involved in. I enjoy the info I gather here. I don't have them on ignore but I just ignore them.
    I agree with you 100%. It’s almost like their unstated goal is to destroy this site. I sometimes regret donating to help save this site just so a small but vocal minority can get their “hate” hard on. It is very disappointing. I do value the information on this site so I hope that it does continue. I like your course of action not to put them on ignore but to ignore them. Life is too short. Hopefully without the oxygen they crave, they will stop.

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    People,

    I have always maintained that you don't need to reply. You choose to engage. The old adage is to not feed the trolls.

    Remember, this site allows a form of anonymity. I am not going to call anyone out specifically, but if you don't like one person's style, simply don't reply. Some accusations are just plainly too obtuse not to at least address and then let it be. I get that. However, just try to make your points succinctly and truthfully and let the insults become water off a duck's back.

    Please, continue to discuss. Please, continue to contribute. However, please understand that you are under no obligation to contribute to a discourse that you know full well won't change another's mind. Why exasperate yourself?
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    ^ True. Thin skins need not apply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I post my comments here and there but I've decided I will not converse with the Big Four. You know who they are. They're just out to slaughter people in here and are radical in their thoughts. They must have a hard life trying to fit in with regular normal folks. lol. I find life less stressful that way. Some people have left the forum because of it but I chose to stay and pick and chose what I read, post or get involved in. I enjoy the info I gather here. I don't have them on ignore but I just ignore them.
    Yea I have noticed this as well and some of these people are radical calling other bigots and racist because they don't agree with their far left Ideology. There is one name here I wont mention but I do know some wont deal with his company because of his posts in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creativemind View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I post my comments here and there but I've decided I will not converse with the Big Four. You know who they are. They're just out to slaughter people in here and are radical in their thoughts. They must have a hard life trying to fit in with regular normal folks. lol. I find life less stressful that way. Some people have left the forum because of it but I chose to stay and pick and chose what I read, post or get involved in. I enjoy the info I gather here. I don't have them on ignore but I just ignore them.
    Yea I have noticed this as well and some of these people are radical calling other bigots and racist because they don't agree with their far left Ideology. There is one name here I wont mention but I do know some wont deal with his company because of his posts in here.
    Not dealing with a company of a known poster.

    NOW, THAT’S A GREAT TOPIC FOR ANOTHER THREAD!

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    I've come to attribute some of the trolling and troll-chasing simply to Cabin Fever. Trolls are lonely and looking for attention; troll-chasers have too much time on their hands and engage them, routinely and repeatedly. Lather, rinse, repeat and it unfailingly escalates into a big turd-tossing.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    ^ True. Thin skins need not apply.
    Trumplethinskins.
    I have conversed with the worst kind of hectoring, bully pulpit smart-a**e*; dripping with virtuous self-aggrandizing sanctimony.................. and that's just on this forum.

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    ^ Like!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    I've come to attribute some of the trolling and troll-chasing simply to Cabin Fever. Trolls are lonely and looking for attention; troll-chasers have too much time on their hands and engage them, routinely and repeatedly. Lather, rinse, repeat and it unfailingly escalates into a big turd-tossing.
    I think we've all been one or the other at one time or another. Perhaps consciously or unconsciously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    I've come to attribute some of the trolling and troll-chasing simply to Cabin Fever. Trolls are lonely and looking for attention; troll-chasers have too much time on their hands and engage them, routinely and repeatedly. Lather, rinse, repeat and it unfailingly escalates into a big turd-tossing.
    I think we've all been one or the other at one time or another. Perhaps consciously or unconsciously.
    Calling someone a troll always seemed like a pretty one-sided affair - usually just a nasty insult by someone that doesn’t like a post, a writing or communication style. In other words calling someone a troll is just a plain old politically-correct form of intolerance in a new form for the online world. So, unless a poster identifies themselves as a troll I assume that they are like any other poster.


    As an aside a search for troll as a pejorative didn’t even bring them up in the Wikipedia list.

    Category:Pejorative terms for people - Wikipedia

    “...
    Tosspot
    Totalitarian
    Trailer trash
    Tranny (slang)
    Trixie (slang)
    Troll (gay slang)
    Trophy wife
    Twat
    Twink (gay slang)
    Twinkie (slur)
    Twit
    U
    ...”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...rms_for_people


    Troll (gay slang) - Wikipedia
    Troll and trolling are slang terms used almost exclusively among gay men to characterize gay, bisexual and questioning or bi-curious men who cruise or "wander about looking"[1] for sexor potential sex partners or experiences "in a notably wanton manner and with lessened standards of what one will accept in a partne
    ...”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(gay_slang)

    Like past derogatory terms for people, troll is now just a politically correct negative label for speech we don’t like or that makes us emotional (while that speech may not make others emotional in the slightest). Moreover, if you read near any thread, there are participants posting very nasty stuff very much along the lines of what trolls are accused of (based on perceived motives), but not being similarly negatively labelled.

    Internet troll - Wikipedia

    In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotionalresponse[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement.
    ...”

    Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. Like any pejorative term, it can be used as an ad hominem attack, suggesting a negative motivation.

    ...”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Just post on the weekend and theres less noodles around. Mind you theres hardly any posting here on weekends.
    Yeah, I don't post outside of working hours, as I have better things to do in my free time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    ^ True. Thin skins need not apply.
    Trumplethinskins.
    Like MrOilers who kept begging me in PMs to stop being mean & let him post his bigoted craptrap without fear of recrimination to the point I literally had to turn off my PMs entirely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    ^ True. Thin skins need not apply.
    Trumplethinskins.
    Like MrOilers who kept begging me in PMs to stop being mean & let him post his bigoted craptrap without fear of recrimination to the point I literally had to turn off my PMs entirely?
    Noodle, aren’t you a bigot yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Just post on the weekend and theres less noodles around. Mind you theres hardly any posting here on weekends.
    Yeah, I don't post outside of working hours, as I have better things to do in my free time.
    That's nice, how was your long weekend dear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Noodle, aren’t you a bigot yourself?
    I'm human & fraught with my own personal misconceptions, demons, biases & prejudices. Certainly the case may be that I am bigoted in any number of contexts.

    That being said, this is a pretty clumsy attempt to hoist me on my own petard by getting me to admit I'm a bigot when it comes to handling racists, sexists or the other regressives that I come across frequently, though not as frequently in daily life as I do on C2E.

    Don't you have some Warren Buffet quotes to read while self-gratifying yourself? Surely that'd be a better, more satisfying use of your time rather than being so terrible at being smug?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    That's nice, how was your long weekend dear?
    It was lovely. I spent most of it trying to get an immigrant to "steal a job from a Canadian".
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    That's nice, how was your long weekend dear?
    It was lovely. I spent most of it trying to get an immigrant to "steal a job from a Canadian".
    Sounds good to me. More qualified Canadians!
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Noodle, aren’t you a bigot yourself?
    I'm human & fraught with my own personal misconceptions, demons, biases & prejudices. Certainly the case may be that I am bigoted in any number of contexts.

    That being said, this is a pretty clumsy attempt to hoist me on my own petard by getting me to admit I'm a bigot when it comes to handling racists, sexists or the other regressives that I come across frequently, though not as frequently in daily life as I do on C2E.

    Don't you have some Warren Buffet quotes to read while self-gratifying yourself? Surely that'd be a better, more satisfying use of your time rather than being so terrible at being smug?


    Like flipping a switch.
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    This addresses a common posting style:



    How to defend against and respond to an ad hominem attack, both how to prevent your opponent from making the attack and how to respond? - Quora

    First, let's understand why people make ad hominem type arguments in the first place. Fundamentally, there are three basic social reasons,* based loosely on Habermas' communications modes:

    They believe that an argument is a simple competition in which winning or dominating is the goal. Personal understanding is unimportant, and mutual understanding is completely irrelevant; ad hominems are used to dominate the discussion through emotional reasoning. This is a manifestation of Habermas’ teleological reasoning mode.

    They believe that the absolutely correct position is already known, to them. There is no true argument to make, only stubborn people who refuse to acknowledge the known truth. In the best case ad hominem attacks in this mode stiff-arm the discussion, pushing off any attempt to question the unquestionable by knocking over the people trying to do the questioning. In the worst case, they are mere trolling: refusing to engage the discussion in any meaningful way, and using the opportunity to annoy, degrade and harass opponents. These are versions of Habermas’ Normative reasoning modes.

    They believe that argument is entirely about social positioning; that the only meaningful outcome concerns which person looks best in the eyes of third parties. Ad hominem arguments in this mode are always blatant or subtle efforts to sabotage, undercut or demean the other people involved so that the speaker looks good, right, noble, moral, trustworthy or in other ways better. This is Habermas’ dramaturgical mode of reasoning come to life.

    This is all opposed to what I (and Habermas) believe is the proper purpose of an argument: a communication process whose goal is the growth of both personal and mutual understanding. But set that aside, because that mode doesn't allow for ad hominem arguments. ...”


    https://www.quora.com/How-to-defend-...how-to-respond

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
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    That's nice, how was your long weekend dear?
    It was lovely. I spent most of it trying to get an immigrant to "steal a job from a Canadian".
    Careful noodle. That job could be yours the immigrant could "steal."
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    I don't really think my wife is interested in taking my job...
    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    I don't really think my wife is interested in taking my job...
    However, your coworkers, if any, might readily welcome her.

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    Well noodle, your job, my job could be done anywhere in the world. My wife works at the Pizza/Pizza call centre, she talks with "English speaking people" world wide, doing her job. Anyone that can speak English can do my job from any computer terminal. Its a global market place.
    Mom said I should not talk to cretins!

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