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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    ^^

    apparently only the federal liberal party can do that in canada... but only when they choose to (ie. they choose to for summer student grant funding but not for indiginous and northern affairs funding).
    Should the government fund a summer jobs program that advocates withdrawing the right to vote for women & minorities? Should Ernst Zundel have gotten money to hire students to promote anti-semitism? Is there a limit on what sort of things the government should promote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Holy misleading graphic and citation. Hate numbers are down since 2012 but the visual is an upwards bar with numbers that don't correspond to any linear increase, and don't correspond to an increase at all.

    That misleading Global News graphic lends evidence that some media outlets are dishonestly trying to create a "moral panic" about increasing hate crimes. Honest and open reporting about crimes (including hate crimes) is good, but this is dishonest propaganda.

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    Barbara Kay: B.C. school official protests 'transgender education' — and pays the price
    Long-time trustee slapped with human rights complaint by school district employees after he criticizes curriculum supplements on gender identity

    "Barry Neufeld, a long-time trustee of British Columbia’s Chilliwack School District, hadn’t planned to find himself at the centre of a legal battle, whose outcome could have far-reaching consequences for gender-related teaching programs across Canada.


    But on Jan. 22, the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (JCCF, on whose board I sit), announced it will be defending Neufeld against a human rights complaint laid on behalf of Chilliwack School District employees. Complainant CUPE Local 411 bases its grievance on a school district policy stating staffers have the right to “operate, work or learn in an environment free from harassment.”


    Here “harassment” refers to Neufeld’s outspoken public criticism of curriculum supplements now in district use, known as SOGI 123 (Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity). These materials promote, among other things, the concept that gender is fluid, untethered from biological sex, tenets Neufeld has, since the fall of 2017, publicly criticized as unscientific theory. CUPE 411 also named the Chilliwack School District as a respondent for having violated Sec 13(1)(b) of the B.C. Human Rights Code, in failing to have censured or removed Neufeld for creating an “unsafe” and “discriminatory” working environment for their members."


    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/barb...pays-the-price

    Pretty frightening that a education official can question the validity of sex ed curriculum content, and get accused of being "unsafe" and "discriminatory", and subsequently dragged into a Human Rights court (basically a "parallel" court system where YOU have to prove your innocence instead of someone else having to prove you're guilty).

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    This is India but you can see parallels as rights clash and as the religious followers of one religion see those of another as a threat.


    “valorous Hindus versus evil Islamic invaders.”

    Padmavati release delayed: It's a failure of what India wants to be


    “India has become a republic of “off*ended sentiments” in which one person’s freedom of expression ends where another person’s perceived honour begins. The postponement of Padmavati’s release underlines several disturbing trends. ...

    Then there is the question of artistic licence. The world over, ...Most of all, the politics of Padmavati has exposed the rampant desire under way in some quarters to reimagine our history in simplistic terms as valorous Hindus versus evil Islamic invaders.”


    https://www.dailyo.in/politics/padma...y/1/20721.html

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    Those Superbowl ads last night. Could these ad agencies be more shameless?

    "We need to somehow shoehorn a Martin Luther King speech into our TRUCK ad."
    "Let's spend $6 million on an ad showing how our beer company spent $2 million canning water to send to flood victims."
    "People need to know how our car company has saved cancer victims. Just make sure the logo is prominent while the survivors are tearfully embracing the consumers."

    Or the best one,
    "Let's show a priest, rabbi, Buddhist monk & Muslim cleric all watching a football game together. Oh, and don't forget to include the Catholic nun already at the game!"

    This self-righteous, groan-inducing preachy social awareness needs to just DIE. Hopefully the over-saturation of commercialism will kill it, like it does everything else.

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    ^ It was the Super bowl. The more outrageous the ad the more they can promote. Maybe we should just go back to having Canadian content ads during that event. However it was the voice of the Canadian public that began to cry fowl over not being able to see American Super bowl ads on Canadian channels wasn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Those Superbowl ads last night. Could these ad agencies be more shameless?

    "We need to somehow shoehorn a Martin Luther King speech into our TRUCK ad."
    "Let's spend $6 million on an ad showing how our beer company spent $2 million canning water to send to flood victims."
    "People need to know how our car company has saved cancer victims. Just make sure the logo is prominent while the survivors are tearfully embracing the consumers."

    Or the best one,
    "Let's show a priest, rabbi, Buddhist monk & Muslim cleric all watching a football game together. Oh, and don't forget to include the Catholic nun already at the game!"

    This self-righteous, groan-inducing preachy social awareness needs to just DIE. Hopefully the over-saturation of commercialism will kill it, like it does everything else.
    Those ads were probably in the works months ago. I think a lot of people have moved on from the preachy 'do as I say not as I do' set. The moaning lefties, the Hollywood elite etc. are wearing thin now. People are beginning to see them for the phonies they are. Hopefully this year the lefties have taking enough tranquillizers to be less strident in their rants. Maybe the U S can settle into a pattern of a bit more calm with a lot less angst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Those Superbowl ads last night. Could these ad agencies be more shameless?

    "We need to somehow shoehorn a Martin Luther King speech into our TRUCK ad."
    "Let's spend $6 million on an ad showing how our beer company spent $2 million canning water to send to flood victims."
    "People need to know how our car company has saved cancer victims. Just make sure the logo is prominent while the survivors are tearfully embracing the consumers."

    Or the best one,
    "Let's show a priest, rabbi, Buddhist monk & Muslim cleric all watching a football game together. Oh, and don't forget to include the Catholic nun already at the game!"

    This self-righteous, groan-inducing preachy social awareness needs to just DIE. Hopefully the over-saturation of commercialism will kill it, like it does everything else.
    Those ads were probably in the works months ago. I think a lot of people have moved on from the preachy 'do as I say not as I do' set. The moaning lefties, the Hollywood elite etc. are wearing thin now. People are beginning to see them for the phonies they are. Hopefully this year the lefties have taking enough tranquillizers to be less strident in their rants. Maybe the U S can settle into a pattern of a bit more calm with a lot less angst.
    I certainly don't want Left wing rants to be less strident. I hope to see them perpetually bury themselves in rhetoric.
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    ^They wouldn't bury themselves in perpetual rhetoric as that's all they know. Trump has been a catalyst to keep them all relevant and in the news. If it wasn't for Trump related publicity they would have no publicity at all.
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    The Dodge/King ad was pretty damn tacky, for sure. The water/cancer ones, meh, companies are going to make sure they spread the word far and wide for that kind of thing. The priest/rabbi/monk/cleric/nun one I thought was mildly amusing, and can't see why anyone would bother complaining about it, unless they're a bigot. "Oh my god, that laundry detergent ad had a multi-ethnic family in it. How dare they shove multi-culturalism down my throat!" We are well aware of your raging prejudices, no need for further advertisement of them.

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    I liked this ad:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    "Oh my god, that laundry detergent ad had a multi-ethnic family in it. How dare they shove multi-culturalism down my throat!"
    Racist.

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    Oh look, a selective and cherry picked quote used to misrepresent what was actually said. That's totally out of the ordinary for you and your ilk.

    /sarcasm

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    Who is my ilk?

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    We'd tell you but you'd just cry about it being a "personal attack" to be lumped in with those who share your beliefs.
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    That was really low of Marcel Petrin to act as if I would get outraged at a commercial showing an interracial couple in it. Completely absurd.

    You people have this weird fetish for calling me racist, though (although I am not racist, and have never said a racist thing)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Who is my ilk?
    People who live in denial of objective reality who are willing to do and say just about anything to beat back the crippling cognitive dissonance they experience almost constantly.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers
    That was really low of Marcel Petrin to act as if I would get outraged at a commercial showing an interracial couple in it. Completely absurd.


    Aw, muffin!

    You came here to post your outrage at a commercial with inter-religious friends in it, and ended your post talking about how such "social awareness needs to just DIE" and your hopes that "
    commercialism will kill it." It's a short hop from there to there.

    Don't say stupid, bigoted things, and I won't point out how stupid and bigoted they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post

    Don't say stupid, bigoted things
    Who was it bigoted against?

    Sorry it hurts your feelings that I thought those commercials were stupid.

    But that doesn't make me racist, like you implied.
    Last edited by MrOilers; 05-02-2018 at 04:28 PM.

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    In good news I'll never have to hear the Band Hedley again on the radio, elevators, public etc. Small unintended public service...Basically charged with being a rock band and having sex with groupies. Taking the bullet as it were for around 80yrs of Rock History out of control abusive hedonism.

    Meanwhile continue to be no news on charges regarding such serial under age sex offender cretins as Gene Simmons, Jimmi Page etc.

    I mean this is the whole music industry for the most part. Why are some charged, not others even though theres been countless complaints alleging sexual assault of minors regarding the prior mentioned. Does money just shut these claims up forever?

    its curious how the rock world has to this point been so immune to prosecution in this regard.

    This being an industry that even advertised "lock up your daughters" tours..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    That was really low of Marcel Petrin to act as if I would get outraged at a commercial showing an interracial couple in it. Completely absurd.

    You people have this weird fetish for calling me racist, though (although I am not racist, and have never said a racist thing)
    Well, by now I think noodle has probably called everyone on c2e at least a racist or bigot. You’re not alone.

    Then there’s the bandwagon effect. Here on c2e we’re not exactly the deepest most rational and objective thinkers around. We let others’ flawed and misguided thinking seep into our own viewpoints and we then parrot those flawed opinions ourselves.
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    I post my comments here and there but I've decided I will not converse with the Big Four. You know who they are. They're just out to slaughter people in here and are radical in their thoughts. They must have a hard life trying to fit in with regular normal folks. lol. I find life less stressful that way. Some people have left the forum because of it but I chose to stay and pick and chose what I read, post or get involved in. I enjoy the info I gather here. I don't have them on ignore but I just ignore them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I post my comments here and there but I've decided I will not converse with the Big Four. You know who they are. They're just out to slaughter people in here and are radical in their thoughts. They must have a hard life trying to fit in with regular normal folks. lol. I find life less stressful that way. Some people have left the forum because of it but I chose to stay and pick and chose what I read, post or get involved in. I enjoy the info I gather here. I don't have them on ignore but I just ignore them.
    Maybe c2e should run a rotating mandatory vacation program where every month or two some proportion of users have to take a one or two month vacation from c2e every year. Post the list and others can seize the moment and jump in to the forum and post away without harassment from their nemesis.

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    Gee, isn't it great that we can condemn someone/thing based on an allegation? And to even think they are guilty until proven innocent! Wow! No trial, no due process, no cross examination, no polygraph (not admissible in a court of law) needed here. Don't like someone or something? Launch an allegation of sexual misconduct. Perfect. It'll make the news. Just think how much we can change the political/cultural landscape by even launching an anonymous allegation. Should someone disagree? Obviously misogynistic pig dogs for disagreeing. This dissenting voice should be hung like the recipients of these allegations. Hey I know. Why don't I anonymously launch an allegation of sexual misconduct against Rachel Notley? I can invent some cockamamie story. It doesn't even have to be true. Oh happy days we live in. Hello, is anyone listening?

    The above hyperbole was inspired by the Dick & Jane mentality department of some people here at c2e and on this thread in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I post my comments here and there but I've decided I will not converse with the Big Four. You know who they are. They're just out to slaughter people in here and are radical in their thoughts. They must have a hard life trying to fit in with regular normal folks. lol. I find life less stressful that way. Some people have left the forum because of it but I chose to stay and pick and chose what I read, post or get involved in. I enjoy the info I gather here. I don't have them on ignore but I just ignore them.
    Maybe c2e should run a rotating mandatory vacation program where every month or two some proportion of users have to take a one or two month vacation from c2e every year. Post the list and others can seize the moment and jump in to the forum and post away without harassment from their nemesis.
    Just post on the weekend and theres less noodles around. Mind you theres hardly any posting here on weekends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I post my comments here and there but I've decided I will not converse with the Big Four. You know who they are. They're just out to slaughter people in here and are radical in their thoughts. They must have a hard life trying to fit in with regular normal folks. lol. I find life less stressful that way. Some people have left the forum because of it but I chose to stay and pick and chose what I read, post or get involved in. I enjoy the info I gather here. I don't have them on ignore but I just ignore them.
    I agree with you 100%. It’s almost like their unstated goal is to destroy this site. I sometimes regret donating to help save this site just so a small but vocal minority can get their “hate” hard on. It is very disappointing. I do value the information on this site so I hope that it does continue. I like your course of action not to put them on ignore but to ignore them. Life is too short. Hopefully without the oxygen they crave, they will stop.

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    People,

    I have always maintained that you don't need to reply. You choose to engage. The old adage is to not feed the trolls.

    Remember, this site allows a form of anonymity. I am not going to call anyone out specifically, but if you don't like one person's style, simply don't reply. Some accusations are just plainly too obtuse not to at least address and then let it be. I get that. However, just try to make your points succinctly and truthfully and let the insults become water off a duck's back.

    Please, continue to discuss. Please, continue to contribute. However, please understand that you are under no obligation to contribute to a discourse that you know full well won't change another's mind. Why exasperate yourself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I post my comments here and there but I've decided I will not converse with the Big Four. You know who they are. They're just out to slaughter people in here and are radical in their thoughts. They must have a hard life trying to fit in with regular normal folks. lol. I find life less stressful that way. Some people have left the forum because of it but I chose to stay and pick and chose what I read, post or get involved in. I enjoy the info I gather here. I don't have them on ignore but I just ignore them.
    Yea I have noticed this as well and some of these people are radical calling other bigots and racist because they don't agree with their far left Ideology. There is one name here I wont mention but I do know some wont deal with his company because of his posts in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creativemind View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I post my comments here and there but I've decided I will not converse with the Big Four. You know who they are. They're just out to slaughter people in here and are radical in their thoughts. They must have a hard life trying to fit in with regular normal folks. lol. I find life less stressful that way. Some people have left the forum because of it but I chose to stay and pick and chose what I read, post or get involved in. I enjoy the info I gather here. I don't have them on ignore but I just ignore them.
    Yea I have noticed this as well and some of these people are radical calling other bigots and racist because they don't agree with their far left Ideology. There is one name here I wont mention but I do know some wont deal with his company because of his posts in here.
    Not dealing with a company of a known poster.

    NOW, THAT’S A GREAT TOPIC FOR ANOTHER THREAD!

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    I've come to attribute some of the trolling and troll-chasing simply to Cabin Fever. Trolls are lonely and looking for attention; troll-chasers have too much time on their hands and engage them, routinely and repeatedly. Lather, rinse, repeat and it unfailingly escalates into a big turd-tossing.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    ^ True. Thin skins need not apply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    I've come to attribute some of the trolling and troll-chasing simply to Cabin Fever. Trolls are lonely and looking for attention; troll-chasers have too much time on their hands and engage them, routinely and repeatedly. Lather, rinse, repeat and it unfailingly escalates into a big turd-tossing.
    I think we've all been one or the other at one time or another. Perhaps consciously or unconsciously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    I've come to attribute some of the trolling and troll-chasing simply to Cabin Fever. Trolls are lonely and looking for attention; troll-chasers have too much time on their hands and engage them, routinely and repeatedly. Lather, rinse, repeat and it unfailingly escalates into a big turd-tossing.
    I think we've all been one or the other at one time or another. Perhaps consciously or unconsciously.
    Calling someone a troll always seemed like a pretty one-sided affair - usually just a nasty insult by someone that doesn’t like a post, a writing or communication style. In other words calling someone a troll is just a plain old politically-correct form of intolerance in a new form for the online world. So, unless a poster identifies themselves as a troll I assume that they are like any other poster.


    As an aside a search for troll as a pejorative didn’t even bring them up in the Wikipedia list.

    Category:Pejorative terms for people - Wikipedia

    “...
    Tosspot
    Totalitarian
    Trailer trash
    Tranny (slang)
    Trixie (slang)
    Troll (gay slang)
    Trophy wife
    Twat
    Twink (gay slang)
    Twinkie (slur)
    Twit
    U
    ...”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...rms_for_people


    Troll (gay slang) - Wikipedia
    Troll and trolling are slang terms used almost exclusively among gay men to characterize gay, bisexual and questioning or bi-curious men who cruise or "wander about looking"[1] for sexor potential sex partners or experiences "in a notably wanton manner and with lessened standards of what one will accept in a partne
    ...”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(gay_slang)

    Like past derogatory terms for people, troll is now just a politically correct negative label for speech we don’t like or that makes us emotional (while that speech may not make others emotional in the slightest). Moreover, if you read near any thread, there are participants posting very nasty stuff very much along the lines of what trolls are accused of (based on perceived motives), but not being similarly negatively labelled.

    Internet troll - Wikipedia

    In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotionalresponse[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement.
    ...”

    Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. Like any pejorative term, it can be used as an ad hominem attack, suggesting a negative motivation.

    ...”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Just post on the weekend and theres less noodles around. Mind you theres hardly any posting here on weekends.
    Yeah, I don't post outside of working hours, as I have better things to do in my free time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    ^ True. Thin skins need not apply.
    Trumplethinskins.
    Like MrOilers who kept begging me in PMs to stop being mean & let him post his bigoted craptrap without fear of recrimination to the point I literally had to turn off my PMs entirely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    ^ True. Thin skins need not apply.
    Trumplethinskins.
    Like MrOilers who kept begging me in PMs to stop being mean & let him post his bigoted craptrap without fear of recrimination to the point I literally had to turn off my PMs entirely?
    Noodle, aren’t you a bigot yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Just post on the weekend and theres less noodles around. Mind you theres hardly any posting here on weekends.
    Yeah, I don't post outside of working hours, as I have better things to do in my free time.
    That's nice, how was your long weekend dear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Noodle, aren’t you a bigot yourself?
    I'm human & fraught with my own personal misconceptions, demons, biases & prejudices. Certainly the case may be that I am bigoted in any number of contexts.

    That being said, this is a pretty clumsy attempt to hoist me on my own petard by getting me to admit I'm a bigot when it comes to handling racists, sexists or the other regressives that I come across frequently, though not as frequently in daily life as I do on C2E.

    Don't you have some Warren Buffet quotes to read while self-gratifying yourself? Surely that'd be a better, more satisfying use of your time rather than being so terrible at being smug?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    That's nice, how was your long weekend dear?
    It was lovely. I spent most of it trying to get an immigrant to "steal a job from a Canadian".
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    That's nice, how was your long weekend dear?
    It was lovely. I spent most of it trying to get an immigrant to "steal a job from a Canadian".
    Sounds good to me. More qualified Canadians!
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Noodle, aren’t you a bigot yourself?
    I'm human & fraught with my own personal misconceptions, demons, biases & prejudices. Certainly the case may be that I am bigoted in any number of contexts.

    That being said, this is a pretty clumsy attempt to hoist me on my own petard by getting me to admit I'm a bigot when it comes to handling racists, sexists or the other regressives that I come across frequently, though not as frequently in daily life as I do on C2E.

    Don't you have some Warren Buffet quotes to read while self-gratifying yourself? Surely that'd be a better, more satisfying use of your time rather than being so terrible at being smug?


    Like flipping a switch.
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    This addresses a common posting style:



    How to defend against and respond to an ad hominem attack, both how to prevent your opponent from making the attack and how to respond? - Quora

    First, let's understand why people make ad hominem type arguments in the first place. Fundamentally, there are three basic social reasons,* based loosely on Habermas' communications modes:

    They believe that an argument is a simple competition in which winning or dominating is the goal. Personal understanding is unimportant, and mutual understanding is completely irrelevant; ad hominems are used to dominate the discussion through emotional reasoning. This is a manifestation of Habermas’ teleological reasoning mode.

    They believe that the absolutely correct position is already known, to them. There is no true argument to make, only stubborn people who refuse to acknowledge the known truth. In the best case ad hominem attacks in this mode stiff-arm the discussion, pushing off any attempt to question the unquestionable by knocking over the people trying to do the questioning. In the worst case, they are mere trolling: refusing to engage the discussion in any meaningful way, and using the opportunity to annoy, degrade and harass opponents. These are versions of Habermas’ Normative reasoning modes.

    They believe that argument is entirely about social positioning; that the only meaningful outcome concerns which person looks best in the eyes of third parties. Ad hominem arguments in this mode are always blatant or subtle efforts to sabotage, undercut or demean the other people involved so that the speaker looks good, right, noble, moral, trustworthy or in other ways better. This is Habermas’ dramaturgical mode of reasoning come to life.

    This is all opposed to what I (and Habermas) believe is the proper purpose of an argument: a communication process whose goal is the growth of both personal and mutual understanding. But set that aside, because that mode doesn't allow for ad hominem arguments. ...”


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    That's nice, how was your long weekend dear?
    It was lovely. I spent most of it trying to get an immigrant to "steal a job from a Canadian".
    Careful noodle. That job could be yours the immigrant could "steal."
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    I don't really think my wife is interested in taking my job...
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    I don't really think my wife is interested in taking my job...
    However, your coworkers, if any, might readily welcome her.

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    Well noodle, your job, my job could be done anywhere in the world. My wife works at the Pizza/Pizza call centre, she talks with "English speaking people" world wide, doing her job. Anyone that can speak English can do my job from any computer terminal. Its a global market place.
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    ^ True. Thin skins need not apply.
    Trumplethinskins.
    Like MrOilers who kept begging me in PMs to stop being mean & let him post his bigoted craptrap without fear of recrimination to the point I literally had to turn off my PMs entirely?
    What the hell are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    What the hell are you talking about?
    Just this thread that was started by Admin after I kept reporting your ongoing harassment via PM, wherein you kept asking for me to give you a safe space to spew your regressive rhetoric.

    Given your proclivity to be a bald-faced liar on the forums, I'm sure you'll deny all of this, but it's not like I didn't distribute your pleas (contemporaneously) to other people to laugh at & I'm sure Admin will corroborate the fact you & your behaviour is the impetus for that thread/reminder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
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    What the hell are you talking about?
    Just this thread that was started by Admin after I kept reporting your ongoing harassment via PM, wherein you kept asking for me to give you a safe space to spew your regressive rhetoric.

    Given your proclivity to be a bald-faced liar on the forums, I'm sure you'll deny all of this, but it's not like I didn't distribute your pleas (contemporaneously) to other people to laugh at & I'm sure Admin will corroborate the fact you & your behaviour is the impetus for that thread/reminder.
    Decisively taking the private out of private message (pm).

    For some odd reason, I always feel that the truth of such perceptions lies somewhere else - but most definitely not in either of your interpretations of each other’s views and motivations.

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    Decisively taking the private out of private message (pm).
    I didn't want or start the conversation & owe MrOilers exactly nothing when it comes to keeping it private. If he doesn't want to be called out on his racism, he can stop posting racist things rather than continually harass me.
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    Wow, its worse than high school, shameful..smh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
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    What the hell are you talking about?
    Just this thread that was started by Admin after I kept reporting your ongoing harassment via PM, wherein you kept asking for me to give you a safe space to spew your regressive rhetoric.

    So when I suggested (as a courtesy to other forum members) that you and I contain the name-calling and bickering to the US Politics threads instead of polluting everywhere else with it, you decided to whine like a little b!tch to the moderators, claiming I was harassing you? Ha ha!

    Forgive me for speaking directly to people and making polite suggestions like a normal adult. Apparently that triggers some posters to complain to site admin about "harassment", then proceed to slander people all over the forum without pause.

    No wonder this forum is so dead now.
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    Wow, its worse than high school, shameful..smh.
    Like I keep saying: on the World Wide Web whatever you say or do WILL be used against you. Why anyone would want their real names used on the Internet for near anything is beyond me. Jane Doe could stumble upon a drowning puppy and save it, and soon there’d be debates as to whether she ‘tried to drown it and had a change of heart...’
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
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    Decisively taking the private out of private message (pm).
    I didn't want or start the conversation & owe MrOilers exactly nothing when it comes to keeping it private. If he doesn't want to be called out on his racism, he can stop posting racist things rather than continually harass me.
    Noodle complaining on C2E about harassment. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    Wow, its worse than high school, shameful..smh.
    Like I keep saying: on the World Wide Web whatever you say or do WILL be used against you. Why anyone would want their real names used on the Internet for near anything us beyond me. Jane Doe could stumble upon a drowning puppy and save it, and soon there’d be debates as to whether she ‘tried to drown it and had a change of heart...’
    emphasis added...

    while i appreciate the sentiment, not everyone agrees with it (including many who think that anonymity actually abets and encourages the disparate behaviour you take exception to).

    i haven't been anonymous on line for a very, very long time. i made that decision for many reasons, most of them personal, but the biggest one was finding myself falling in that very trap of taking advantage of anonymity - even unintentionally - to say things or phrase things in such a manner that i would never do in person or in anything with my name attached.

    why would i want my real name used? to keep me honest. if it also adds credibility in other quarters to what i post, so be it but that's a bonus, not the requisite.

    i can respect those who choose anonymity based on who they work for etc. but even then i think the internet would be a better place if that was done on the same basis as anonymous letters to the editor. the editor may agree to publish it using a pseudonym with good reason but still doesn't accept it anonymously which means the writer is still associated with his writings. i also recognize that some individuals may choose to use false aliases if their initial intent is to troll but i believe most users are in most forums in good faith, not to troll, at least initially and that that should be encouraged, not avoided. i also think that those who do come to troll would flame out much sooner in a non-anonymous forum..

    if nothing else, using real names would at least re-introduce a level of civility and respect for others that is otherwise too easy to ignore. i also think the ratio involved is logrithmical and not arithmetical - ie two people involved anonymously isn't twice as problematic, it's four times and involving three people is nine times etc.

    my two cents worth anyway.
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    Well, my father had some strong opinions on a lot of issues and on several occasions he said he wished he could write a letter to the editor but always felt that, if published, his opinions could somehow negatively impact, or be used against, or simply create static for family members in professional and somewhat high profile positions. I think he was right on the mark in that thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    So when I suggested (as a courtesy to other forum members) that you and I contain the name-calling and bickering to the US Politics threads instead of polluting everywhere else with it, you decided to whine like a little b!tch to the moderators, claiming I was harassing you? Ha ha!
    You're the one who was crying for a safe space (and not just outside of the political threads). I asked you to not contact me via PM. You did. I asked you again. You persisted. I asked you again & reported it, as there was a clear trend of harassment. Admin made the thread. I reported you again, commented in the thread & then shut off my PMs.

    You're a terrible liar, both in the sense that you're terrible AND a liar, and terrible at lying itself.



    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Forgive me for speaking directly to people and making polite suggestions like a normal adult.
    If repeated harassment is how you think "normal adults" behave you're even more brokebrained than I thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    No wonder this forum is so dead now.
    Feel free to leave any time. I think we'd get by with one less person here in the "lying deplorable" demographic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Noodle complaining on C2E about harassment. haha
    Feel free to report any & all of my posts you feel contravene the rules or are harassment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
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    Noodle complaining on C2E about harassment. haha
    Feel free to report any & all of my posts you feel contravene the rules or are harassment.
    Why would I do that? Its just obviously funny for you to be complaining about it. Just amused by it.
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    So you're just kvetching to hear the sound of your own voice? Guess we're both creatures of habit then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Noodle complaining on C2E about harassment. haha
    Feel free to report any & all of my posts you feel contravene the rules or are harassment.
    Why would I do that? Its just obviously funny for you to be complaining about it. Just amused by it.
    I find such little door slamming tantrums cute too.


    Sounds like two people repeatedly asking the other to do something and both sides apparently running crying to someone (admin) for help to stop the pleas for civil behaviour. Did I get that right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Noodle complaining on C2E about harassment. haha
    Feel free to report any & all of my posts you feel contravene the rules or are harassment.
    Why would I do that? Its just obviously funny for you to be complaining about it. Just amused by it.
    I find such little door slamming tantrums cute too.


    Sounds like two people repeatedly asking the other to do something and both sides apparently running crying to someone (admin) for help to stop the pleas for civil behaviour. Did I get that right?

    Not sure what you are stating. The admin and board have made it clear what nature of board they want and that's fine. I don't like reporting posts, don't except when a post is harmful, and Noodle is careful never to cross those lines. I'm sure he's a good enough person that just gets a lark saying some things but I've NEVER had the feeling that anything that he stated was disturbing or that entered into a harmful vein. For instance some posters here over the years have engaged in threats including threats of physical harm. Noodle afairc has been subject to this multiple times here without ever initiating that nature of exchange. He just gets digs in. Its harmless enough. I don't see it as much more than banter and barbs.

    I mean if I'm not on my game its annoying, but I wouldn't report stuff like that. You report the really inappropriate stuff, that really crosses a line.
    People should ideally avoid reporting posts just due to some temporal annoyance. That's usually just reactive and a waste of any admins time. The worst being when any two posters are going at it and serially report each other. If I'm a mod, and have been, I have limited patience for that.

    I was tongue and cheek jk about the harassing thing. Thus the haha. It was just a joke, and apologies if anybody took it any other way. Noodle has never harassed me or anybody else that I can see in any harmful fashion. The context I used it was just suggesting that he's a serial commenter that just gets repeated digs in.

    I prefer when Noodle sticks to his content related posts and he offers a lot of good information to the board consistently. But its not up to anybody else what he posts or how.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Sounds like two people repeatedly asking the other to do something and both sides apparently running crying to someone (admin) for help to stop the pleas for civil behaviour. Did I get that right?
    Nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    I asked you to not contact me via PM.
    Actually, you did not.

    After I politely suggested, as a courtesy to others on the forum, that you keep the bickering and name-calling out of every thread I post in, keeping it to the US Politics section, you said nothing. in fact, you just kept doubling-down, posting after me in every forum call me names. Like I said, no wonder so many people have left this forum.

    The fact that you cried to the admins because I PMed you genuinely asking you to respect others is hilarious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    I asked you to not contact me via PM.
    Actually, you did not.
    Liar.



    (Please note that I actually BCCed another forum user but blacked out their name, just to prevent you lying about what was transpiring between us. And for the lols. But mostly documentation)

    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    The fact that you cried to the admins because I PMed you genuinely asking you to respect others is hilarious!
    I asked you to stop PMing me. You continued.




    The fact you're as incapable of recognizing your own harassment as you are your sexism, racism & bigotry isn't funny. It's tragic & gross. Mostly gross.
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    When privates messages aren't private. (and they of course are not)

    just saying

    But yeah. If someone is asked to stop PMing they should stop. Leave it at that.

    Maybe some confusion in even the term. On some boards PM's are not private, and can be seen by admins/mods. But logically they are not private because at least one other person is seeing them and always the possibility that more are seeing them. (This is seemingly common)

    Maybe they should be called "personal messages" and with personal right to block messaging by specific others or all (I don't know if that function is available on the board.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    When privates messages aren't private. (and they of course are not)

    just saying

    Already covered, but you still had to get your disapproving clucks in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
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    When privates messages aren't private. (and they of course are not)

    just saying

    Already covered, but you still had to get your disapproving clucks in.
    That would be you being paranoid. I wasn't disapproving. I wouldn't post PM's publicly but of course you can if you choose to. You can also share them as you stated you had. I didn't say anything different, just saying.

    I even reiterated somebody should not keep PMing when the recipient has requested that they stop PMing. Clearly.

    At worst I'm being an echo, annoying, or kvetching.

    jk aside you made this public, so of course you open it up to anybody weighing in on a public discussion board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    When privates messages aren't private. (and they of course are not)

    just saying

    Already covered, but you still had to get your disapproving clucks in.

    So me asking that you to stop polluting every thread with name-calling is "harassment"?


    Well if you felt "harrassed" maybe you shouldn't have responded BY DOING IT EVEN MORE, passing PMs to your buddies then crying to the moderators about me!

    You have some serious growing-up to do, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Wow, its worse than high school, shameful..smh.
    Like I keep saying: on the World Wide Web whatever you say or do WILL be used against you. Why anyone would want their real names used on the Internet for near anything is beyond me. Jane Doe could stumble upon a drowning puppy and save it, and soon there’d be debates as to whether she ‘tried to drown it and had a change of heart...’
    Thanks KC. I definitely got a spit take with this one!
    Ow

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    So me asking that you to stop polluting every thread with name-calling is "harassment"?
    No, you continuing to PM me despite me telling you not to is harassment. It's the message itself, not the content that's harassment.

    As stated by Admin, in the thread created specifically to remind you of the policy:

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    All,

    If someone asks you to not contact them via a private message, please don't. Continuing to do is harassment.

    I will hand out 5 day suspensions for people who violate this request from users.

    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Well if you felt "harrassed" maybe you shouldn't have responded BY DOING IT EVEN MORE, passing PMs to your buddies then crying to the moderators about me!
    Your conduct meets the standard that Admin has set for harassment & as you've been told time & time again calling you a racist for espousing racist views isn't "name calling" or "harassment".

    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    You have some serious growing-up to do, dude.
    I don't really take the advice of Russian shills & liars. Stick to Twitter where you might get some traction.
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    [QUOTE=MrOilers;874530]
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    When privates messages aren't private. (and they of course are not)

    just saying

    Already covered, but you still had to get your disapproving clucks in.

    So me asking that you to stop polluting every thread with name-calling is "harassment"?


    Well if you felt "harrassed" maybe you shouldn't have responded BY DOING IT EVEN MORE, passing PMs to your buddies then crying to the moderators about me!

    You have some serious growing-up to do, dude.[/QUOTE]

    I really do think posters know this about noodle, but why not just block him, it's the best thing to do, than read his bullsh!t non stop

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    So me asking that you to stop polluting every thread with name-calling is "harassment"?
    No, you continuing to PM me despite me telling you not to is harassment. It's the message itself, not the content that's harassment.
    Shut up, noodle.

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    Are you trying to create a false equivalency by telling me to shut up in a public thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    So me asking that you to stop polluting every thread with name-calling is "harassment"?
    No, you continuing to PM me despite me telling you not to is harassment. It's the message itself, not the content that's harassment.

    As stated by Admin, in the thread created specifically to remind you of the policy:

    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    All,

    If someone asks you to not contact them via a private message, please don't. Continuing to do is harassment.

    I will hand out 5 day suspensions for people who violate this request from users.

    Thanks.
    I think noodle was fully within his rights to post MrOilers 'private messages' when MrOilers lied to everyone on this forum that he was innocent and inferring that noodle was lying. Noodle has proof that MrOiler is a terrible liar and does not think that people will call him out and can actually prove that he is a flamebaiting liar. I have also been harassed by MrOilers and he made statements that I lie on this forum and claims that I made statements, without any evidence from him, that I did not make. I too called him out this week and he has not apologised to the group that he lied about me and lied about noodle. I believe that he should be banned until he apologises to the group and promises to not deliberately lie to the group and will apologise and retract inadvertent erroneous statements and claims, when they are posted.

    My tolerance of MrOilers's lies is not zero. It is -1,000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Are you trying to create a false equivalency by telling me to shut up in a public thread?
    Try re-opening your PMs and I'll answer that.

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    Shut up, Edmonton PRT

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    So me asking that you to stop polluting every thread with name-calling is "harassment"?
    No, you continuing to PM me despite me telling you not to is harassment. It's the message itself, not the content that's harassment.
    Shut up, noodle.
    You do not have the right to say that. If you have trouble with a post, please report it to Admin. Just as I have done just now.
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    You can see this thread an example (again) of how the far-left operates when they disagree with someone:

    1. Name-calling, attempted public shaming
    2. Piling on (getting like-minded others to join them into bullying people into silence)
    3. Appealing to authorities to either silence or remove the person who is saying something they don't like
    4. "Removing" the person themselves

    We are not at Step 4, but this is why I don't tell people my real name and where I work. I don't need a masked gang of angry C2E lefties doxxing and harassing my family or my employer simply because they don't like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Try re-opening your PMs and I'll answer that.
    No, I prefer to deal with you solely out in the open.
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    1) Name callling, like calling anyone who disagrees with you "lefties" "the left" "far-left" ... Even though they maybe on the right?
    2) Piling on - like when you, Gemini, and HalfLife gang up on people, hyuk hyuk hyuk...
    3) Appealing to authorities? You mean reporting posts that violate the rules, or who continually posts misinformation, or lies CONSTANTLY.
    4) Who's been removed? You're still here aren't you? I'm sure you also have ThrowAway accounts too here.

    The reason you don't use your real name is because you'd be embarrassed to admit what you say on these forums in person to your employer or friends. If your friends and family or employer knew of all the crap you post, you probably wouldn't have much friends left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    You can see this thread an example (again) of how the far-left operates when they disagree with someone:

    1. Name-calling, attempted public shaming
    Calling a racist a racist isn't name calling & if you feel like being a racist is somehow shameful why do you continue to parade around online as one & espouse numerous white nationalist ideals & viewpoints?


    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    2. Piling on (getting like-minded others to join them into bullying people into silence)
    Multiple people being sick & tired of your racist, ignorant, regressive & bigoted posting isn't piling on. A thousand people calling a racist a racist isn't a pile-on. Nice attempt at deflecting though & making it seem like those decrying your ignorance are the real problem rather than address the root cause. If you stopped posting racist, ignorant, bigoted things (or as seen lately, outright lies & fabrications) there'd be nothing for people to decry in unison, aka "pile on".

    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    3. Appealing to authorities to either silence or remove the person who is saying something they don't like
    Cranky old racist white dude expects the rules to not apply to him. SHOCKING!

    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    4. "Removing" the person themselves.

    We are not at Step 4, but this is why I don't tell people my real name and where I work. I don't need a masked gang of angry C2E lefties doxxing and harassing my family or my employer simply because they don't like me.
    Nice slippery slope fallacy you're trotting out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Are you trying to create a false equivalency by telling me to shut up in a public thread?
    I think that's giving pure reactivity and regression too much credit.

    We have a poster serially telling others to shut up. Looks like classic regression. Poster caught in a series of lies, now babbling, and sinking further.

    Online quicksand.

    Albeit the poster in question has done this repeatedly, consistently. So sinking is not the right word.
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    Oh for the love of whatever you think is holy!

    Stop telling people to shut up. All of you. STOP. This is a disucssion forum, and if everyone shuts up, then why have this!!!

    If you don't like someone's thoughts, you don't have to rebut or refute them. You can just state your opinion, and leave it at that.

    PS. Please don't start now with, "Poster X did it first, or most, or more forcefully than I did!" Just. Stop.
    Ow

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    At least get a room and take it there!
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin
    Stop telling people to shut up. All of you. STOP. This is a disucssion forum, and if everyone shuts up, then why have this!!!


    There is only one poster telling others to shut up in terms of public posts. Just so we're clear here.

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    There is only one poster telling others lies on public posts. Just so we're clear here.
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    Well yeah, that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    Oh for the love of whatever you think is holy!

    Stop telling people to shut up. All of you. STOP. This is a disucssion forum, and if everyone shuts up, then why have this!!!

    If you don't like someone's thoughts, you don't have to rebut or refute them. You can just state your opinion, and leave it at that.

    PS. Please don't start now with, "Poster X did it first, or most, or more forcefully than I did!" Just. Stop.

    If everyone took your suggestions this would be a much better (and busier) forum. However, I think it's too late for this place.

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    Some people don't think that they are the subject of the discussion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Some people don't think that they are the subject of the discussion...
    I honestly can't imagine anyone being this lacking in self-awareness without some serious effort & a lifetime of dedication.
    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    Now now, Admin wants us to play nicely, so lets try it for at least a day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Admin
    Stop telling people to shut up. All of you. STOP. This is a disucssion forum, and if everyone shuts up, then why have this!!!


    There is only one poster telling others to shut up in terms of public posts. Just so we're clear here.
    No. There are others. Just because one is doing it a lot today, doesn't mean that there are not other offenders.

    There are also a lot of snarky back and forths, not truly rule breaking, but riding the line. Civil discourse would be that everyone starts being civil, hence "all".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    There is only one poster telling others lies on public posts. Just so we're clear here.
    Seriously DON'T.

    I do not want to have this go down a rabbit hole of who is the truth teller, and who is liar lair pants on fire. There are enough emotionally-charged, opinion v fact based posts on this forum, and I definitely do not want this dumpster fire thread to start going down that road.

    I asked for people to not even engage in a blame game on a simple request, then you do this? STOP!

    Am I clear here? If not, I am willing to make it clearer.
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    You could solve so much around here by simply putting all of the political discussion in some hidden place like HFBoards does or banning political discussion altogether.

    As soon as people start throwing mud like the left and right do this or that I stop reading, because both sides are guilty of the exact same thing, yet both sides believe they are spreading the gospel. Just read Hansard at any given time when the leg is sitting. C2E political discussion is simply an extension of that.

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    I remember my friends in the Forces saying they banned discussions of politics and religion from the Mess. I understand why.

    The bad part is that C2E is supposed to be a place for all discussions, including political. It is supposed to represent all slices of life here in the City and region, not just one view. I expect some of the craziness when it comes to this, but lately, it is taking on a whole other dimension. I know several lurkers like reading this tit for tat, as it is like watching a train wreck unfold, but they don't get to moderate it.

    It just makes me shake my head when, after asking for people to just can it, I get follow up posts that are trying to be "funny". I am not in a joking mood right now, and the silliness is no longer even mildly amusing.
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    Fun thread. I was wondering what I've missed; now I know.

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    This thread has so gone off the rails.
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    Its best just to read the whole article:



    Intersectionality: Religion for Deep-Blue America | National Review
    By DAVID FRENCH
    March 6, 2018 4:45 PM


    “...It’s identity politics on steroids, where virtually every issue in American life can and must be filtered through the prisms of race, gender, sexual orientation, and gender identity.”

    ...

    “The faith is fierce. Intolerance in the name of tolerance is the norm. Debate and dialogue are artifacts of scorned “respectability politics.” I’m reminded of the worst sorts of fundamentalist Christian sects, the kind that claim to take the Bible literally yet live as if mercy is alien to Scripture and that commands to “love your enemies” or “bless those who persecute you” somehow fell off the page. In the church of intersectionality, grace is nowhere to be found.

    Indeed, you can often prove your faith through your ferocity. The right amount of rage, properly directed, can cover a multitude of sins. Do you wonder why the high priestesses of intersectionality — the leaders of the Women’s March — won’t condemn Louis Farrakhan? Because he’s been fighting their version of the good fight for generations. He’s an ally. He’s made all the right enemies.

    Intersectionality is becoming so influential that it “haunts” much of blue America in much the same way that Christian beliefs and cultures haunt the South. Even those who aren’t full-on adherents have begun to adopt various intersectional habits, such as adjusting their language, deferring to experiential authority, and questioning the value of free speech. Just as southern Americans are more prone to “God talk” regardless of personal religiosity, increasing numbers of blue Americans sound more ...”


    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ngerous-faith/

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