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    I wouldnt fly with them, they dont have another staff by the sounds of it. In the airport for NYD, no thanks

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    I'm surprised , they just dumped the passengers that already booked..tsk tsk

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    Pushed out, simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Pushed out, simple as that.
    They also cancelled their Hamilton-Orlando Melbourne route, no one was competing with them on that one. People don't really want to fly an airline that charges for carry-ons.

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    See Europe.
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    European airlines don't charge for carry-ons. Even the lowest fare ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Pushed out, simple as that.
    They also cancelled their Hamilton-Orlando Melbourne route, no one was competing with them on that one. People don't really want to fly an airline that charges for carry-ons.

    You get what you pay for,I think this airline could you stranded anytime...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    See Europe.
    Canada is not Europe. Canadians aren't Europeans. Dramatically different market, dramatically different people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    European airlines don't charge for carry-ons. Even the lowest fare ones.
    Point being the nickle and dime game.
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    I'd fly them because even after paying for luggage, they are far cheaper than AC or WJ.
    Can't beat $150 to Vancouver or $300 to GTA.

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    Thing is, WestJet is pretty much matching NewLeaf prices on their matching routes. So, do you go with a known airline, WestJet, with free carry ons and a special price, or choose NewLeaf who's still unfamiliar but is the reason for the low price? Going with WestJet seems better in the short term, but if NewLeaf doesn't make a go of it, we say good-bye to low prices.

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    My wife flew Edmonton-Hamilton and it was fine, we will continue to support new leaf on that route even if weather's deal is equal because we want them to stick around and we know that WestJet won't.

    Just so everyone knows, a small (under-seat) carry-on us free, it's the big overhead bin ones that are not. It actually makes some sense to avoid the over-filled bins and time-wasteing gate-check that happen when checked bags cost but carry-on is free.
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    NewLeaf Travel name changed to Flair Airlines

    Edmonton Journal EDMONTON JOURNAL

    Discount airline seat reseller NewLeaf Travel marked its first anniversary Tuesday by changing its name to Flair Airlines.

    NewLeaf was bought June 7 by Kelowna, B.C.- based Flair Airlines, which had been supplying NewLeaf with aircraft and crews, in a move designed to bring airline operations and marketing under one roof.

    Over the past year, Flair has flown 320,000 people and completed more than 2,600 flights across Canada, according to a news release.

    Flair Airlines says it intends to expand its route network over the coming weeks, although details haven’t been released yet.

    Celebrations with passengers are being held Tuesday at airports where Flair is departing, and the company is offering an 11 per cent discount on all bookings made during the day.

    Boarding passes will carry the new name, which will also be shown at all airports. The current schedule will continue to operate as planned.

    When NewLeaf was started in July 2016, it positioned itself as an ultra-low-cost option that would undercut Air Canada and WestJet on price.

    Six months after it launched, NewLeaf dropped several cities from its schedule. It ditched plans to fly to Phoenix and Orlando, blaming WestJet for squeezing it out of the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faraz View Post
    I'd fly them because even after paying for luggage, they are far cheaper than AC or WJ.
    Can't beat $150 to Vancouver or $300 to GTA.
    Absolutely....
    July long...YEG to YWG $600+ on WJ and $700+ on AC
    Flair took us for $270 RT each with no luggage and a pre printed boarding pass.$560 RT for 2 as opposed to $1200+ ,on WJ and $1400+ on AC. This is NOT simple nickels and dimes. I am saving thousands not hundreds when I fly home. WJ and AC are disconnected. I'll continue to fly where I can get the best for my money. Right now..Flair is the one.
    This is the new booking site. It's already Flair...http://gonewleaf.ca/?utm_source=Flai...d315-111032189
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    Next time I go to Abbotsford I'll be flying Flair for sure

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    Recommend a renaming of this thread to "Flair Airlines".

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    ^ Done.
    Almost always open to debate...

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    One of these days I'm hoping Flair will pick up the slack left by WJ on the Edmonton-Moncton via Hamilton route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    One of these days I'm hoping Flair will pick up the slack left by WJ on the Edmonton-Moncton via Hamilton route.
    You could easily make that at YEG->YHM->YQM->YYT

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    ^ Absolutely. Are you listening, Flair?
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    So with YEG becoming Flair's main "transfer hub" it is in YEGs best interest to see Flair grow and thrive. How can the airport help support this airline which has chosen to utilize YEG in this manor without alienating other airlines that still give us important routes.

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    I flew on Flair a couple of weeks ago from Abbotsford. Plane was full. Flight was fine outside of getting to Abbotsford. I checked my bag as it was cheaper. Checked bag was $25 plus tax, carry on was $31 plus tax if booked on-line. Prices escalate if you check a bag at the counter and it is more at the gate. The person at the gate announced that a late checked carry-on would be $80 plus tax. I did not see anyone carrying around bags with any indicators on them to identify if they were paid for as carry-on. I only saw one back pack with the typical airline luggage tags. Does anyone know how they monitor this? Would it be indicated on your boarding pass? I would have thought there would be some tag given to put on your carry-on at the check-in counter to prove you already paid for your carry-on.

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    First aircraft is painted in new livery:


    https://worldairlinenews.files.wordp...dgflairlrw.jpg

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    Looks great minus the awkward placing of the Flair Airlines name above and below the windows near the front.

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    I flew with Flair Dec 17 - Dec 20 to Kelowna and back. Quick stopover in Vancouver both ways but didn't have to disembark the plane. Although there are some definite growing pains as I found they were slightly disorganized when it came to check-in, I am overall satisfied with how the trips went and will fly again.
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    Reminds me of BA a little. Can we refer to them as Speedgoose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    First aircraft is painted in new livery: https://worldairlinenews.files.wordp...dgflairlrw.jpg
    So much better to see a creative aspect instead of the boring livery that is AC. Well done in my eyes.
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    Is there any word on proposed addition of aircraft or expansion into US markets?

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    I think the livery looks great. Think it is a nice balance of not being too conservative but also not too far out there. I will be doing my part to support these guys and i hope the region does as well. Not very often do we have the opportunity of an airline calling YEG their HUB so i think we need to make the most of it, you never know what Flair could turn into. This will be that much more important as others like SWOOP and Jetlines potentially fire up their operations and create quite a bit of competition in the market.

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    Nice livery. But it'll never be as good as my all-time favourite livery...


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    And our hometown airline


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    Ward turned into Canadian after, so both are Edmonton products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
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    First aircraft is painted in new livery: https://worldairlinenews.files.wordp...dgflairlrw.jpg
    So much better to see a creative aspect instead of the boring livery that is AC. Well done in my eyes.
    I've flown on this particular plane countless times on FBO flights. This metal was designated for Edmonton. The wing does not have that upward curve and that is how I recognized it.

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    Flair Airlines updated their schedule to December 2018.
    They'll operate 35 weekly flights from YEG.

    Abbotsford 10 weekly
    111 2x weekly Mon, Thu (Jan-Feb)
    111 4x weekly Sun, Mon, Thu, Fri (Mar-)
    121 1x weekly Tue
    211 4x weekly Sun, Mon, Thu, Fri
    821 1x weekly Sat

    Hamilton 5x weekly
    120 1x weekly Tues
    210 2x weekly Mon, Thu (Jan-Feb)
    210 4x weekly Mon, Thu, Fri, Sun (Mar-)

    Kelowna 3x weekly
    311 3x weekly Tue, Thur, Sat

    Toronto 7x weekly
    210 7x weekly Daily

    Vancouver 5x weekly
    311 4x weekly Sun, Mon, Wed, Fri
    841 1x weekly Sat

    Winnipeg 5x weekly
    110 4x weekly Sun, Mon, Thur, Fri
    132 1x weekly Wed

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    Great to see for our domestic number growth.
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    My wife flew to YXX the other day. Quite pleased with the price saved about $100 and the service all around. $2.50 for a decent cup of coffee and a cookie which she didn’t mind paying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    Flair Airlines updated their schedule to December 2018.
    They'll operate 35 weekly flights from YEG.

    Abbotsford 10 weekly
    111 2x weekly Mon, Thu (Jan-Feb)
    111 4x weekly Sun, Mon, Thu, Fri (Mar-)
    121 1x weekly Tue
    211 4x weekly Sun, Mon, Thu, Fri
    821 1x weekly Sat

    Hamilton 5x weekly
    120 1x weekly Tues
    210 2x weekly Mon, Thu (Jan-Feb)
    210 4x weekly Mon, Thu, Fri, Sun (Mar-)

    Kelowna 3x weekly
    311 3x weekly Tue, Thur, Sat

    Toronto 7x weekly
    210 7x weekly Daily

    Vancouver 5x weekly
    311 4x weekly Sun, Mon, Wed, Fri
    841 1x weekly Sat

    Winnipeg 5x weekly
    110 4x weekly Sun, Mon, Thur, Fri
    132 1x weekly Wed
    For those wishing for an airline to make YEG its hub, you have got your wish. Now, will the City support the service? I hope so...

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    Indeed. Seems as though many folks I know are booking weekend trips to visit fam/friends because of the low-fares.

    They should get Ric Flair to do some commercials.
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    Woooooo!


    Any word on Flairs proposed expansion into the states and rumours regarding Air Canada Rouge coming to YES.

    Also booked a June flight to San Fran on Air Canada’s new flight - $650 return for 2 - great price.

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    I have been telling everyone I know to be sure to look into Flair for their travel plans. A huge opportunity for YEG.

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    ^ Me too. Especially people travelling to and from BC. With such cheap prices I don't know who wouldn't go with Flair.

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    The BC flights are nice and cheap. I looked at flights to Toronto and they are the same price, round trip, as WestJet and AirCanada. I will be using these guys for any BC flights for sure though.

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    If Edmonton is the Hub, I will support that airline where they serve my destination. If they're same price, wouldn't it make sense to support an airline that has made us a Huh? When they grow, guess What? We get more routes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    If Edmonton is the Hub, I will support that airline where they serve my destination. If they're same price, wouldn't it make sense to support an airline that has made us a Huh? When they grow, guess What? We get more routes....
    Only issue for me is Toronto is not my final destination when I go to Ontario so I'm not one who likes to book flights on two different airlines for one trip. Call me weird but it's not worth it to do so flying in Canada.

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    Interesting development at Flair Air.
    https://infotel.ca/newsitem/flair-airlines/cp1722999208
    January 16, 2018 - 7:30 AM
    KELOWNA, B.C. - The founder of Canada Jetlines is taking over as chief executive of Canadian discount carrier Flair Airlines Ltd.Jim Scott replaces Flair founder and former president Jim Rogers, who will remain an adviser until 2019 after selling his shares in the Kelowna-based company.

    i wonder what this means for Jetlines and if he will keep the same model for Flair Air?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mla View Post
    I don't know who wouldn't go with Flair.
    I don't, simply because earning miles is very important to me. Having said that, family members are flying Flair.

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    It’s exciting to think they will be adding 2 planes in 2018. Given their current fleet of 7, 2 new planes is a big deal and will make it possible to have greater frequencies which is something I will be looking for to make them an airline I decide to fly on more often.

    The other thing, as mentioned above, is a rewards program. No guarantee they go for something like this any time soon as that is an expense to operate.

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    Vicious rumour...

    WestJet to buy Flair and use it to fast track Swoop....

    I've heard this a couple times already. Has anyone else?
    Onward and upward

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    Not offhand. I just keep having Jetsgo flashbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Vicious rumour...

    WestJet to buy Flair and use it to fast track Swoop....

    I've heard this a couple times already. Has anyone else?
    I wouldn't put it past WestJet. They don't seem to be huge fans of competition.

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    If I were the government I would not approve such a merger it is clearly against the public interest.
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    The feds don't seem to be huge fans of competition either.
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    Seems odd they would appoint a new CEO one day only to be bought out the next. The rumour probably has no legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    The feds don't seem to be huge fans of competition either.
    How can you make such blanket unsubstantiated statements when the feds have new guidelines for owners of airlines to increase foreign ownership from 25% to 49% to stimulate competition. They already made exceptions for Jetlines to increase foreign ownership for this very reason.
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    ^ I was making a flippant remark about this country's love of oligopolies - airlines, banks, telecoms, gas stations, etc. I was also thinking back to the justification for allowing the merger of Canadian with Air Canada because having both airlines was deemed "a duplication of services" rather than competition. So yeah, I've long held little trust in our so-called Competition Bureau.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Seems odd they would appoint a new CEO one day only to be bought out the next. The rumour probably has no legs.
    Maybe...but it wouldn't be the first time. K2 & Canadi>n were meant to merge with AC or be bought ...

    I've personally been involved with M&A's on a team with a CEO who distinctly was meant to clean house in order to set up the acquisition.

    WestJet does a lot of servicework in ylw alongside Flair's HQ. WJ also has the deep pockets to outprice and outlast Flair. Marcel is right to see shades of JetsGo and Greyhound Air...

    One source is a bit wishy washy, but the second is not so much. AC isn't remotely interested, but with WJ wanting to scale fast, a personnel shortage, and an already established fleet with Flair, this rumor has more than legs. I'm not advocating for an acquisition, but it is very plausible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey
    (...) I was also thinking back to the justification for allowing the merger of Canadian with Air Canada because having both airlines was deemed "a duplication of services" rather than competition.
    Without going into detail, the Bureau's comment on duplication was more accurate than not. Canadi>n was done for. Onyx failed. The industry was in turmoil. It took some time for it to recover, and the demand was weak. I'll spare you the nauseating details, but the mid 1990's sucked.
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    Flair Airlines' new CEO targets 1M passengers, but WestJet's Swoop may 'blanket-bomb' rival with ultra-low fares




    Flair said it has flown over 500,000 passengers since June 2016, and expects to hit the one-million passenger milestone in 2018. The airline also plans on expanding its fleet. The company said it will be operating seven Boeing 737-400 aircraft, outfitted with 156-seats each, in 2018 and will add two Boeing 737-800 jets at a later point.

    http://business.financialpost.com/tr...rget-this-year
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    Honestly thinking, with family in YVR, storing some clothes there so I can just walk on, walk off and save addiutional fees for an on-board treat.
    ... gobsmacked

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordanGalhanth View Post
    Nice livery. But it'll never be as good as my all-time favorite livery...

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    Yeah...that one still makes me smile. probably the best merging of livery/branding I've seen, unlike the lazy United combination...

    Even the Tailfin Goose livery was interesting, and uniquely Canadi>n.

    Although I will always have a deeper spot for the PWA Chevron of the early years...prior to the Atari version of 1980+
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