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    Default Retired Canadian Commander: West Should Have Left Taliban Alone

    Military intervention has worked so well in the past....



    Dave Fraser, Retired Canadian Commander: West Should Have Left Taliban Alone

    "OTTAWA The West made a mistake deposing the Taliban regime in the aftermath of 9/11 and should have simply trained its guns on al-Qaida, says the Canadian commander who led NATO into southern Afghanistan a decade ago.

    Retired major-general Dave Fraser commanded both the Canadian task force and the military alliance's expanded mission to extend the authority of former Afghan president Hamid Karzai beyond the capital of Kabul in 2006.

    At the time, it was just over four-and-a-half years into the Afghan war and three years into the larger, bloodier struggle in Iraq after the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

    "We repeated it in Iraq."
    "We thought, naively, that regime change was the solution to the problem," Fraser told The Canadian Press in an interview to mark the 10th anniversary of the Canadian combat deployment into Kandahar."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/02...n_9304248.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Military intervention has worked so well in the past....



    Dave Fraser, Retired Canadian Commander: West Should Have Left Taliban Alone

    "OTTAWA — The West made a mistake deposing the Taliban regime in the aftermath of 9/11 and should have simply trained its guns on al-Qaida, says the Canadian commander who led NATO into southern Afghanistan a decade ago.

    Retired major-general Dave Fraser commanded both the Canadian task force and the military alliance's expanded mission to extend the authority of former Afghan president Hamid Karzai beyond the capital of Kabul in 2006.

    At the time, it was just over four-and-a-half years into the Afghan war and three years into the larger, bloodier struggle in Iraq after the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

    "We repeated it in Iraq."
    "We thought, naively, that regime change was the solution to the problem," Fraser told The Canadian Press in an interview to mark the 10th anniversary of the Canadian combat deployment into Kandahar."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/02...n_9304248.html

    A very long time back on one of the military threads I made the point you cannot impose our beliefs, political structure or moral values on another country and got jumped on for it.

    Now it's ok for a military commander to say the same thing... to approval...interesting.

    Throughout history it has been proven we cannot impose our values on other cultures and time and time again we fail trying since the time of Alexander.

    You go to another country and culture you play by their rules or don't go.

    IMO T

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    The Iranians were ready to annihilate the Taliban in 1998. They had amassed 70,000 troops at the border. We told them not to.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1998/09/12/wo...for-blood.html

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    There is no rhyme or reason to any of it. Its just the battle of the day is..... I always thought they were crazy to topple the dictators. They were the ones keeping things under control. Just make deals with them when need be. Toppling the dictator is like killing the warden and letting all the inmates out on the street to do as they please. Let them run the insane asylum, at least they keep everyone under control. I know its not a good system, but seems its the only one that works over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    There is no rhyme or reason to any of it. Its just the battle of the day is..... I always thought they were crazy to topple the dictators. They were the ones keeping things under control. Just make deals with them when need be. Toppling the dictator is like killing the warden and letting all the inmates out on the street to do as they please. Let them run the insane asylum, at least they keep everyone under control. I know its not a good system, but seems its the only one that works over there.
    Well I thought they'd embrace democracy and individual human rights. Minority rights would be harder to accept but a necessary development in support of democracy. I guess I was totally wrong.

    Worse, living here in Alberta, living under a decades old ruling party, often voting for it - how could I miss the ideological underpinnings that hold together failed but persistent states.
    Last edited by KC; 25-02-2016 at 09:01 AM.

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    Just before the Iraq war, Saddam offered to go into exile. The Americans refused to accept that because he wanted to take $1 billion with him. How much easier, less destructive and humane to accept that offer and then go after the funds afterwards? But no, bombing people is always the best way to make people stop hating us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Just before the Iraq war, Saddam offered to go into exile. The Americans refused to accept that because he wanted to take $1 billion with him. How much easier, less destructive and humane to accept that offer and then go after the funds afterwards? But no, bombing people is always the best way to make people stop hating us.

    So the US was determined to bomb them?


    Bahrain offers to grant asylum to Saddam Hussein - Taipei Times
    Mar 21, 2003

    Bahrain's Information Minister Nabil al-Hamer said that the offer had been relayed to Saddam through "diplomatic channels." Saddam has vowed to fight rather than flee.

    "It's the last hour chance and we hope that Iraq will accept this offer to avoid war," said al-Hamer. "As a regional country, Bahrain shares the responsibility to maintain peace in the area and we believe nobody wants war and this is one way to avoid it."

    ...

    A day after US President George W. Bush gave Saddam an ultimatum to leave Iraq with his sons or face war over his alleged weapons of mass destruction, Saddam appeared on television in military uniform -- for the first time since the 1991 Gulf War -- and told his commanders to prepare for battle.


    http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/iraq.../21/0000198881


    Failed Iraqi peace initiatives


    It has been suggested that Saddam Hussein was prepared to go into exile if allowed to keep $1 billion USD.[6] On February 22, at a meeting in Crawford, Texas, George Bush told Spanish prime minister Jose Maria Aznar:

    "The Egyptians are speaking to Saddam Hussein. It seems he's indicated he would be prepared to go into exile if he's allowed to take $1 billion and all the information he wants about weapons of mass destruction."[6]
    The same month Russian President Vladimir Putin sent his representative, former prime minister Yevgeny Primakov, to Saddam Hussein. Primakov's mission was to convince Saddam to abdicate as Iraqi president, which could prevent US invasion of Iraq. The debates failed, though. "Saddam just tapped me on the shoulder and went out of the room", Primakov recalled.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail...ce_initiatives
    Last edited by KC; 25-02-2016 at 03:27 PM.

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    Bush was determined to go into Iraq regardless.


    Saddam Hussein offered to step down and go into exile one month before the invasion of Iraq, it was claimed last night.
    Fearing defeat, Saddam was prepared to go peacefully in return for 500million ($1billion).
    The extraordinary offer was revealed yesterday in a transcript of talks in February 2003 between George Bush and the then Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar at the President's Texas ranch.
    The White House refused to comment on the report last night.
    But, if verified, it is certain to raise questions in Washington and London over whether the costly four-year war could have been averted.

    Asked by the Spanish premier whether Saddam - who was executed in December last year - could really leave, the President replied: "Yes, that possibility exists. Or he might even be assassinated."
    But he added that whatever happened: "We'll be in Baghdad by the end of March."
    Mr Bush went on to refer optimistically to the rebuilding or Iraq.





    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz41EHGC3UL

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