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    I wonder if they’re waiting for a permit.
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    Haven't heard anything new recently, but this is what I heard prior to Christmas:

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    Heard from someone that after evaluating tenders received last week that they may be going back to the drawing board. And apparently they've already more or less done that several times. They're having a hard time making the numbers work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Haven't heard anything new recently, but this is what I heard prior to Christmas:

    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Heard from someone that after evaluating tenders received last week that they may be going back to the drawing board. And apparently they've already more or less done that several times. They're having a hard time making the numbers work.
    I remember you posting that. Just doesn't make sense that they were awarded this project in October , you posted this in December that you heard the numbers don't work. If the numbers aren't working, were going to end up with a short box of a tower like Oxford then. This is kind of bizarre.
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    It was not awarded on a fixed cost basis to Graham. Graham was awarded it on a construction management basis. They did have a tender for major scopes in November/December, but as most of the drawings and scopes were incomplete but in progress with selected consultants and overall systems determined, they called it "design assist".

    My info could well be out of date at this point, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It was not awarded on a fixed cost basis to Graham. Graham was awarded it on a construction management basis. They did have a tender for major scopes in November/December, but as most of the drawings and scopes were incomplete but in progress with selected consultants and overall systems determined, they called it "design assist".

    My info could well be out of date at this point, however.
    Thank you for sharing what you know on this Marcel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Haven't heard anything new recently, but this is what I heard prior to Christmas:

    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Heard from someone that after evaluating tenders received last week that they may be going back to the drawing board. And apparently they've already more or less done that several times. They're having a hard time making the numbers work.
    I understand the cost issue, but can you expound a bit further regarding the "working numbers?" Is there a specific matter in the proposed development that leads to this issue?
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    I have no idea what metrics OEG uses to determine whether to proceed or not, but ultimately it's about profitability. As it would be with any developer.

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    All good. Profit is pretty logic.
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    Seems a little odd that the numbers aren't working on this, given how well Legends and apparently now SKY are performing. Especially since they are still proposing to soon start a huge wack of new highrise developments just north of Rogers in Phase II.

    IMHO not having a proper (or worse, any) tower on the west side of Ice District is gonna seriously reduce the appeal and atmosphere of the plaza, and indeed of the entire development. Lots of other developers seem to be making the numbers for large residential towers in the downtown area work (Encore, Emerald, the Maclaren etc.)

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    To be clear, I have no actual "inside" info, merely just what I've heard through the grapevine. There could well be other things holding it up, or a combination of factors. Or maybe one component, commercial podium or residential tower, is making sense while the other isn't.

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    Maybe it's just the bit of a stall and the switching from PCL to Graham that is starting rumors when in actuality everything's still a go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concrete Jungle View Post
    Seems a little odd that the numbers aren't working on this, given how well Legends and apparently now SKY are performing. Especially since they are still proposing to soon start a huge wack of new highrise developments just north of Rogers in Phase II.

    IMHO not having a proper (or worse, any) tower on the west side of Ice District is gonna seriously reduce the appeal and atmosphere of the plaza, and indeed of the entire development. Lots of other developers seem to be making the numbers for large residential towers in the downtown area work (Encore, Emerald, the Maclaren etc.)
    I have a feeling Phase II may take a little longer to come to fruition then they have proposed. Maybe I'm wrong but with the way Tower B has gone in terms of progress, we won't see anything in Phase II until this done.

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    That all depends. If it goes high end, like the first 2 towers, then I agree. There is only so much high end we can support. What Katz has north of Rogers is an incredible huge canvas to experiment and be successful. No developer(s) has ever targeted family living right dowtown in highrises. I'm almost certain there is a strong market for it. What I propose is that he takes the whole block and turn that into a fortress; think of a square/rectangle donut. The ring is the podium with situated towers on top. The centre of the donut becomes the children's secured back yard for all ages- an all purpose sports court, a small water play area for small kids with flower/garden path snaking around theses amenities The flower garden path will have a grass pet run parallel to it. All accessible to residents and guests only.The podium can cater to small businesses or anchor a large store- urban hardware or Superstore etc. The roofs of the podium can be turn into a community vegetable garden. We have got to start exploring this avenue. For a permanent long term success downtown, families need to be included in the equation. We need to start traditions and roots. If they're healthy, they'll multiply to the stocks for downtown down the road. We need to plant the seeds now.
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    This tower never even released a final rendering. It's changed about three times and what we think is the latest design was merely obtained from an ice district promo video.

    Even if the tower doesn't go ahead in the short (or even long) term, the podium must go in..

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    Secondary source, but the word from Graham was that renders would come down Q2 2018, so sounds like there is a bit of a rework going.

    It did go to EDC back in Nov 2016 as a finalish design, but folks up top must have wanted a rework.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    When i see a crane, thats when ill be happy to say this project is alive. This is a sad sight.

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    So now, what happened to the site ??
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    Please refrain from personal attacks. I moved 5 posts to the trash/archive.
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    Revised DP for a mixed use 141.3m tower with 568 dwelling units and 43 storeys came across my desk today.

    AKA Tower B.
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    Great news Ian and thanks. Must be a new render somewhere. Another height reduction from 145 m.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Revised DP for a mixed use 141.3m tower with 568 dwelling units and 43 storeys came across my desk today.

    AKA Tower B.
    Haha. It keeps shrinking. At this rate, next revision it will be 130m!

    At least there is still some forward progress. 160m would have been nice to help break up the tabletop skyline a little more though.

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    That's what JW and Stantec are for (Alldritt too perhaps). I would have liked to see it stay at 160m too but I'm honestly happy with anything 130-140m. I mean, Encore is going to be 138m and that's totally acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concrete Jungle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Revised DP for a mixed use 141.3m tower with 568 dwelling units and 43 storeys came across my desk today.

    AKA Tower B.
    Haha. It keeps shrinking. At this rate, next revision it will be 130m!

    At least there is still some forward progress. 160m would have been nice to help break up the tabletop skyline a little more though.
    Yeah, it's the fourth height reduction. 188m,160m, 145m and now 141.3m. That's ok. Just glad it's going ahead. Looking forward to the new render. Hopefully no more of the a/c unit or cereal box look..lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Revised DP for a mixed use 141.3m tower with 568 dwelling units and 43 storeys came across my desk today.

    AKA Tower B.
    568 units - is that the same number in the previous DP? Must be small apartment rentals. Too bad it is shrinking in height but glad to see it still has legs.

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    Whatever. That's still a good height and fills in a huge hole in our city. I just hope they don't cut the rooftop park out of the design or make my movie screens smaller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Whatever. That's still a good height and fills in a huge hole in our city. I just hope they don't cut the rooftop park out of the design or make my movie screens smaller.
    Yikes ... any reduction in screens or type of sound and video systems would be a catastrophe. That would be my only reason to go there - an upgrade in experience from City Centre. We should know soon enough what the changes are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Whatever. That's still a good height and fills in a huge hole in our city. I just hope they don't cut the rooftop park out of the design or make my movie screens smaller.
    Yikes ... any reduction in screens or type of sound and video systems would be a catastrophe. That would be my only reason to go there - an upgrade in experience from City Centre. We should know soon enough what the changes are.
    Its great to create some energy within the plaza, but its nothing without "density" or a crowd. You need a natural energy, like younge & dundas or a really far fetch times square.

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    Anything at 130m and up is good. Im only a height freāk when it comes to strategic locations such as BMO. It will still contribute to the skyline as it is roughly Manulife's height.

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