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    I'm surprised JT didn't do a selfie with Modi
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    Here's some real analysis of Trudeau's India trip instead of the nonsense being posted by CON shills none of whom went to India and the usual poisoned comments by the CONS on this board:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/indi...p-up-1.4550703

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From YEG View Post
    Here's some real analysis of Trudeau's India trip instead of the nonsense being posted by CON shills none of whom went to India and the usual poisoned comments by the CONS on this board:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/indi...p-up-1.4550703
    Very interesting (see quote below) - and not in a good way in my mind because I’m not sure who’d want to be ‘friends’ with Netanyahu.

    “They didn't mention, or perhaps don't know, that Modi and Netanyahu are close personal friends.”


    The corruption scandals plaguing Netanyahu and his family, explained | The Times of Israel

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-co...ily-explained/
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
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    The big question is: Why was the guy over there?




    FUREY: Former Liberal minister attacked by Atwal previously warned feds | Regina Leader-Post

    “Dosanjh calls the situation “dangerous and pervasive,” citing how politicians of all stripes continue to mix with radicals and attend Khalsa Day events alongside people who hold up pictures of the Air India bombing mastermind as if he was a hero.”

    http://torontosun.com/opinion/column...ly-warned-feds

    Who knows, he had his photo taken with Sophie though.lol.. He's also had his photo with Bob Rae!

    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andr...on-indian-soil

    Why did we, the taxpayer, pay for a chef to be flown over to JT and co. Indian food isn't good enough?

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4041799/c...india-trudeau/
    Yeah, maybe he just loves photo-ops and will spend thousands of dollars on travel to get them. However, without knowing anything about this guy, how much he has reformed his ways or anything beyond what I read in the media, all I can say is that in the realm of possibilities in my mind, I’d be more concerned about someone who’s once tried to assassinate an official (because of religious-non-Canadian-nationalism issues) seeking to continue or renew his old war with his old enemies. (That’s an extreme thought so hopefully well beyond any possible reality). Nonetheless note that Atwal talked about his “enemies” providing pictures to the media. Who uses the word “enemies” other than someone who still sees themselves as part of a war?

    Moreover as an aside, one just has to think about school shootings and people ignoring the warning flags such as with the recent Florida shooting, in order to have some very wide ranging thoughts on the risk posed here. I can’t control my thoughts and I don’t want to suggest this guy had any evil intentions but I think his past violent ideologically driven behaviour forces that back into the realm of possibilities - even if remote.

    The most likely however is that he was just trying to get close to officials to get a good read on developments, maybe voice his concerns, push his agenda, rebuild his law abiding stature, etc. That’s the most likely scenario I’d say. However, why would his media employer even send him on this task when any number of other reporters with clean backgrounds could collect such info. without the obvious issues.



    Atwal blamed enemies for circulating the photos and stressed that he travelled to India on his own on Feb. 11 and is not part of any official government delegation.

    https://m.facebook.com/NationalPost/...56211163894595




    Surrey man convicted in 1986 B.C. terrorist shooting poses with Trudeau’s wife, cabinet minister in India – Vancouver
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    “Atwal said in a series of text messages Wednesday that he was in India for Media Waves, a Surrey online radio station. He referred Postmedia to a representative of the radio station who did not return phone calls.”


    “Sources confirmed late Wednesday that Surrey Centre MP Randeep Sarai submitted Atwal’s name to receive the dinner invitation.“

    “At the time of the 1986 shooting, Atwal was a Sikh separatist active in the pro-Khalistan International Sikh Youth Federation. He and three others were convicted in 1987 of trying to kill Malkiat Singh Sidhu on an isolated road near Gold River. The Punjab cabinet minister was visiting B.C. for his nephew’s wedding.

    Sidhu was struck twice and survived the attempt on his life, but was later assassinated in India. The trial judge called the attack “an act of terrorism” and sentenced Atwal and the others to 20 years. Atwal later admitted to the parole board that he was the shooter that day.“

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    “They still didn’t vet everybody properly and they allowed a former violent Khalistani access to the delegation,” Dosanjh said...”

    Dosanjh said he has no idea whether Atwal is still supportive of the Khalistan movement. “For all I know he may be a totally reformed man, but I don’t think that is the issue,” he said. ...”



    “In 2010, a B.C. Supreme Court judge ruled that Atwal was part of an auto-fraud ring that had ripped off ICBC off by falsely...”



    “In 2012, he was invited to the swearing in of former Liberal premier Christy Clark, ...”




    http://vancouversun.com/news/nationa...ister-in-india
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    All this history just makes the guy and his activities and the activities those facilitating his invites and political contacts high suspicious - in maybe my mind alone.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    The big question is: Why was the guy over there?




    FUREY: Former Liberal minister attacked by Atwal previously warned feds | Regina Leader-Post

    “Dosanjh calls the situation “dangerous and pervasive,” citing how politicians of all stripes continue to mix with radicals and attend Khalsa Day events alongside people who hold up pictures of the Air India bombing mastermind as if he was a hero.”

    http://torontosun.com/opinion/column...ly-warned-feds

    Who knows, he had his photo taken with Sophie though.lol.. He's also had his photo with Bob Rae!

    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andr...on-indian-soil

    Why did we, the taxpayer, pay for a chef to be flown over to JT and co. Indian food isn't good enough?

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4041799/c...india-trudeau/
    Yeah, maybe he just loves photo-ops and will spend thousands of dollars on travel to get them. However, without knowing anything about this guy, how much he has reformed his ways or anything beyond what I read in the media, all I can say is that in the realm of possibilities in my mind, I’d be more concerned about someone who’s once tried to assassinate an official (because of religious-non-Canadian-nationalism issues) seeking to continue or renew his old war with his old enemies. (That’s an extreme thought so hopefully well beyond any possible reality). Nonetheless note that Atwal talked about his “enemies” providing pictures to the media. Who uses the word “enemies” other than someone who still sees themselves as part of a war?

    Moreover as an aside, one just has to think about school shootings and people ignoring the warning flags such as with the recent Florida shooting, in order to have some very wide ranging thoughts on the risk posed here. I can’t control my thoughts and I don’t want to suggest this guy had any evil intentions but I think his past violent ideologically driven behaviour forces that back into the realm of possibilities - even if remote.

    The most likely however is that he was just trying to get close to officials to get a good read on developments, maybe voice his concerns, push his agenda, rebuild his law abiding stature, etc. That’s the most likely scenario I’d say. However, why would his media employer even send him on this task when any number of other reporters with clean backgrounds could collect such info. without the obvious issues.



    Atwal blamed enemies for circulating the photos and stressed that he travelled to India on his own on Feb. 11 and is not part of any official government delegation.

    https://m.facebook.com/NationalPost/...56211163894595




    Surrey man convicted in 1986 B.C. terrorist shooting poses with Trudeau’s wife, cabinet minister in India – Vancouver
    Sun

    “Atwal said in a series of text messages Wednesday that he was in India for Media Waves, a Surrey online radio station. He referred Postmedia to a representative of the radio station who did not return phone calls.”


    “Sources confirmed late Wednesday that Surrey Centre MP Randeep Sarai submitted Atwal’s name to receive the dinner invitation.“

    “At the time of the 1986 shooting, Atwal was a Sikh separatist active in the pro-Khalistan International Sikh Youth Federation. He and three others were convicted in 1987 of trying to kill Malkiat Singh Sidhu on an isolated road near Gold River. The Punjab cabinet minister was visiting B.C. for his nephew’s wedding.

    Sidhu was struck twice and survived the attempt on his life, but was later assassinated in India. The trial judge called the attack “an act of terrorism” and sentenced Atwal and the others to 20 years. Atwal later admitted to the parole board that he was the shooter that day.“

    ...

    “They still didn’t vet everybody properly and they allowed a former violent Khalistani access to the delegation,” Dosanjh said...”

    Dosanjh said he has no idea whether Atwal is still supportive of the Khalistan movement. “For all I know he may be a totally reformed man, but I don’t think that is the issue,” he said. ...”



    “In 2010, a B.C. Supreme Court judge ruled that Atwal was part of an auto-fraud ring that had ripped off ICBC off by falsely...”



    “In 2012, he was invited to the swearing in of former Liberal premier Christy Clark, ...”




    http://vancouversun.com/news/nationa...ister-in-india
    Bolding mine


    All this history just makes the guy and his activities and the activities those facilitating his invites and political contacts high suspicious - in maybe my mind alone.



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    He completely messed up the trip to China, they messed this one up. I heard a reporter from India, they didnt want Trudeau there for 8 days, too long., and they are very suspicious of his background and his caucus..he did it for votes, but the former premiere Atwal attacked, says it was a real boondoggle.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle38062142/

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From YEG View Post
    Here's some real analysis of Trudeau's India trip instead of the nonsense being posted by CON shills none of whom went to India and the usual poisoned comments by the CONS on this board:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/indi...p-up-1.4550703
    Very interesting (see quote below) - and not in a good way in my mind because I’m not sure who’d want to be ‘friends’ with Netanyahu.

    “They didn't mention, or perhaps don't know, that Modi and Netanyahu are close personal friends.”


    The corruption scandals plaguing Netanyahu and his family, explained | The Times of Israel

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-co...ily-explained/
    The libbies better go real careful blaming India, because we already know it was a sikh from BC that invited the terrorist, regardless of how CBC spin it..

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    Hey H.L. at least Atwal will never be a Senior Advisor to this Prime Minister nor a high level appointee,

    Here are a couple of the ones from your side:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Carson

    Typical Harper advisor, Bruce Carson who was a disbarred lawyer.


    Another fantastic Harper regime luminary, Arthur Porter, who was - believe it or not - appointed by Harper to head CSIS!!


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Porter_(physician)


    Thank God we threw out Harper and his stable of crooks!

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    So I guess this terrorist claims to be a friend of JT..lol
    This is so not going away..☺
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pmo-...ends-1.3818447


    JT had photos with the guy!! Omg JT you liar!

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    So I guess this terrorist claims to be a friend of JT..lol
    This is so not going away..☺
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pmo-...ends-1.3818447


    JT had photos with the guy!! Omg JT you liar!
    ...

    PMO: No merit to assertions by Atwal that he and Trudeau were friends | CTV News
    “Atwal was interviewed on Saturday by the The Canadian Press at his home in Surrey, B.C., following Trudeau's, at times, turbulent trip to India. Late on Sunday night, Atwal said he is not suggesting he and the prime minister are friends, but he has known Trudeau for years.
    Atwal says he received an invitation directly from the Canadian high commissioner's office for the event in New Delhi last week.”

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pmo-...ends-1.3818447

    Yeah, the political awkwardness created by the India trip is somewhat akin to Harper’s China blunder where Harper had to backpedal big time when China baulked over human rights complaints. That sure blew up in Harper’s face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    So I guess this terrorist claims to be a friend of JT..lol
    This is so not going away..☺
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pmo-...ends-1.3818447


    JT had photos with the guy!! Omg JT you liar!

    John Oliver - Trudeau in India
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDdUM...ature=youtu.be


    This old one on Trudeau is a classic!!!!

    Note the use of: “molestation” .
    John Oliver - Justin Trudeau's Apologies - YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDdUMaJ5D4





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    2018 budget, lots of politically correct buzzwords but little substance
    https://www.budget.gc.ca/2018/docs/plan/toc-tdm-en.html

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    It's not a budget at all. I'm glad we can manage our own money better than the liberals. God help us all if we slip into another recession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    2018 budget, lots of politically correct buzzwords but little substance
    https://www.budget.gc.ca/2018/docs/plan/toc-tdm-en.html

    A word search shows "gender" appears 359 times. This is more than "tax" (357), "economy" (144), "economic" (349), "jobs" (113). Try it yourself.

    What the hell is this government's priority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    2018 budget, lots of politically correct buzzwords but little substance
    https://www.budget.gc.ca/2018/docs/plan/toc-tdm-en.html

    A word search shows "gender" appears 359 times. This is more than "tax" (357), "economy" (144), "economic" (349), "jobs" (113). Try it yourself.

    What the hell is this government's priority?
    What’s your point? Have you followed the past budgets by any number of governments?


    Dismay Voiced by Firebrands Who Helped Put Harper in Power | The Tyee

    “For example, he said, the recent budget proclaimed balanced by the Tory government is really just creative accounting. Silye said he knows many fiscal conservatives quietly unhappy with Harper's economic performance. He shakes his head, for example, at the debt run up by the Harper government -- which has increased 12.6 per cent to $540 billion according to the Canadian Taxpayers' Federation.

    "We now have the biggest debt this country's ever had, and they talk about balancing the budget,"
    Silye said. "That budget can be torn apart quite easily." ...


    https://thetyee.ca/News/2015/07/06/F...-Power-Harper/

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    No, the question is what the hell is their point?

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    Yup, a decent budget outlines exactly what money is coming in, where and how it's being spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Yup, a decent budget outlines exactly what money is coming in, where and how it's being spent.
    You’ll never get that out of any government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Yup, a decent budget outlines exactly what money is coming in, where and how it's being spent.
    You’ll never get that out of any government.
    Certainly not this one! Finance minister?pfffftt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Yup, a decent budget outlines exactly what money is coming in, where and how it's being spent.
    You’ll never get that out of any government.
    Federal budgets have always frustrated me. Revenues, expenses and the balance sheet buried beneath tons of spin and verbiage.

    Provincial budgets are more transparent. Heck the spin can be entirely avoided by downloading the Fiscal and Tax Plans in Excel format.

    https://www.alberta.ca/budget-documents.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Yup, a decent budget outlines exactly what money is coming in, where and how it's being spent.
    You’ll never get that out of any government.
    Federal budgets have always frustrated me. Revenues, expenses and the balance sheet buried beneath tons of spin and verbiage.

    Provincial budgets are more transparent. Heck the spin can be entirely avoided by downloading the Fiscal and Tax Plans in Excel format.

    https://www.alberta.ca/budget-documents.aspx
    Avoid the spin? No way.

    Unless you can drill down, there’s no way you’d be able to tell what costs are being properly assigned. Then there’s things like tax expenditures etc that aren’t likely included. Reasonable predictable aggregations and modelled weighted averages such as interest costs and other assumptions may not be close to the predictable reality or may not be conservative enough. Improper amortization of costs may load costs on the future, etc.


    Alberta cleaned up its act a bit but it’s not exactly a goal of any government to present good information to its citizens.




    Government budgets: Why it’s so difficult to follow the money

    WILLIAM ROBSON
    SPECIAL TO THE GLOBE AND MAIL
    UPDATED: 11 MONTHS AGO APRIL 16, 2016


    William Robson is president and CEO of the C.D. Howe Institute, and co-author of "Controlling the Public Purse: The Fiscal Accountability of Canada's Senior Governments, 2016."

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    The Parliamentary Budget Officer's tussle with the Department of Finance about missing numbers in the latest federal budget projections shows that even experts have problems deciphering governments' fiscal plans.

    ...
    Even with that information, MPs will be taking only baby steps into the core task of controlling public money. The bulk of federal spending (including interest payments on debt that is now growing again) is "statutory," outside their annual review. And the estimates that MPs get for the spending they do approve are on a different basis of accounting than the budget – so nobody can tell if a given authorization matches the budget plan.

    With oversight so tenuous, it is less shocking than it should be to compare actual spending as shown in Ottawa's public accounts over the past 15 years with the annual budgets for those years, and see that the government collected $35-billion more in taxes than projected in budgets over the period, and that $11-billion of that flowed out in "surprise" spending.

    The federal government's fiscal moves affect the whole country, and get the big headlines. For every $1 the feds raise and spend, however, provincial and territorial governments raise and spend $1.50. And when you look across the country, the quality of their financial reports is, so to speak, all over the map. ...

    ....



    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ticle29642761/


    Note that that extra taxation and spending over the past 15 years would include the PCs for a big chunk of that time.
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    Conservatives drop India motion after uproar from Canadian Sikh community | National Post

    http://nationalpost.com/news/politic...sikh-community

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    If this comment is correct, so much for the 2nd and 3rd generation integration viewpoint. It appears that it might be a myth.


    Conservatives drop India motion after uproar from Canadian Sikh community | National Post


    One of two the Conservatives were considering for Thursday would’ve asked the House to “value the contributions of Canadian Sikhs and Canadians of Indian origin in our national life” but also to condemn all forms of terrorism “including Khalistani extremism and the glorification of any individuals who have committed acts of violence to advance the cause of an independent Khalistani state in India.” The motion concludes with support for “a united India.”
    ...

    “Canada is estimated to have the world’s largest Sikh community outside of India. More than 450,000 people across the country self-identified as following the religion in the 2011 census. The community has long been important to Canadian electoral politics. “


    http://nationalpost.com/news/politic...sikh-community
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    https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/can...harmacare.html
    This guy is becoming a liability imho!

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    It's time to get rid of dual nationality. That would clean up so many issues, and would kick JT's "A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian", out the window.

    Time to change the law to suit ourselves, perhaps we need a "Canada First" leader.

    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    If this comment is correct, so much for the 2nd and 3rd generation integration viewpoint. It appears that it might be a myth.


    Conservatives drop India motion after uproar from Canadian Sikh community | National Post


    One of two the Conservatives were considering for Thursday would’ve asked the House to “value the contributions of Canadian Sikhs and Canadians of Indian origin in our national life” but also to condemn all forms of terrorism “including Khalistani extremism and the glorification of any individuals who have committed acts of violence to advance the cause of an independent Khalistani state in India.” The motion concludes with support for “a united India.”
    ...

    “Canada is estimated to have the world’s largest Sikh community outside of India. More than 450,000 people across the country self-identified as following the religion in the 2011 census. The community has long been important to Canadian electoral politics. “


    http://nationalpost.com/news/politic...sikh-community

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    It's time to get rid of dual nationality. That would clean up so many issues, and would kick JT's "A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian", out the window.

    Time to change the law to suit ourselves, perhaps we need a "Canada First" leader.

    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    If this comment is correct, so much for the 2nd and 3rd generation integration viewpoint. It appears that it might be a myth.


    Conservatives drop India motion after uproar from Canadian Sikh community | National Post


    One of two the Conservatives were considering for Thursday would’ve asked the House to “value the contributions of Canadian Sikhs and Canadians of Indian origin in our national life” but also to condemn all forms of terrorism “including Khalistani extremism and the glorification of any individuals who have committed acts of violence to advance the cause of an independent Khalistani state in India.” The motion concludes with support for “a united India.”
    ...

    “Canada is estimated to have the world’s largest Sikh community outside of India. More than 450,000 people across the country self-identified as following the religion in the 2011 census. The community has long been important to Canadian electoral politics. “


    http://nationalpost.com/news/politic...sikh-community
    How do we not put Canada first?

    However yes, dual citizenship likely cause a few issues but it also likely adds a few benefits too.

    I figure the simple reality is that people retain wide ranging beliefs and loyalties when they come to Canada.

    My point point is that the idea of past generations’ beliefs all vanishing and some sort of mythical ‘All-Canadian values’ generations will soon be born is a big of a stretch.


    For example:

    Seattle author tips off newspaper to Confederate flag flying in her neighborhood, turns out... | OregonLive.com


    http://www.oregonlive.com/olympics/i...onfederat.html
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    It's time to get rid of dual nationality. That would clean up so many issues, and would kick JT's "A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian", out the window.

    Time to change the law to suit ourselves, perhaps we need a "Canada First" leader.
    I grow weary of the * canadians when convenient *

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    I grow weary of "Canadians" that had ancestors immigrate to Canada at some point be so naive and ignorant towards others that might want to immigrate here

    its like "Fukk off, I got mine" type of attitude. Youre ancestors would be ashamed of you.

    Canada was built by and for immigrants.

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    I don't want to side track this thread. Eliminating dual citizenship would ensure that those who come here are committed to Canada, do not have divided loyalties. Presumably people that come here, do so for a reason - to make Canada their home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    I grow weary of "Canadians" that had ancestors immigrate to Canada at some point be so naive and ignorant towards others that might want to immigrate here

    its like "Fukk off, I got mine" type of attitude. Youre ancestors would be ashamed of you.

    Canada was built by and for immigrants.

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    I have no problem with people with dual citizenship, my grandfather had one, and he was more committed to Canada than anyone else I've ever known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    I grow weary of "Canadians" that had ancestors immigrate to Canada at some point be so naive and ignorant towards others that might want to immigrate here

    its like "Fukk off, I got mine" type of attitude. Youre ancestors would be ashamed of you.

    Canada was built by and for immigrants.
    Well, I’d say that: Canada was built by a whole lot of people that were here already. A lot of the population is descended from those original relationships between the native population and the immigrants/fur traders, etc.

    Then my understanding is that the immigrants themselves were a mixed bag of people with some sent here, some people leaving horrible existences behind, as well as some people coming here with just the initial intention of returning to their former home in the future but ending up staying for good. (Much like many of the people now coming to Alberta.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    I have no problem with people with dual citizenship, my grandfather had one, and he was more committed to Canada than anyone else I've ever known.
    My own father had dual Can and US citizenship due to an American parent but had to renounce it to enter the armed forces when Canada was at war but the US wasn’t.

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    Ralph wears many hats, career politician that he is. He still can't answer a question on this, and JT refuses in QP

    http://nationalpost.com/news/politic...e-bloody-point
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    I’d say that putting a murder’s photo in such a way, such as this guy’s photo, should create a very problematic situation for any group - but apparently to date it hasn’t for them.

    It's the Atwal effect — and nobody's immune - Politics - CBC News


    A martyr poster of Air India bombing architect Talwinder Singh Parmar is seen fixed to the exterior of the Dashmesh Darbar Temple in Surrey, B.C. on Oct. 3, 2017. (CBC)


    He is Canada's deadliest mass-murderer by far: Talwinder Singh Parmar, the architect of the 1985 bombing, whose portrait adorns Sikh temples in Surrey, B.C. and Malton, Ont. Children are being taught that the man who blew 329 innocents out of the sky was a model citizen and a persecuted martyr. (Parmar's role in planning the attack, which was accepted as fact by the Air India inquiry, was confirmed by the testimony of the man who admitted to making the bomb.)

    So the Conservative motion had a sharp point on it. But there was a problem: as soon as they got wind of it, the separatist lobby, led by the World Sikh Organization, peppered Ottawa with complaints that this was an attack on all Sikhs, not just the violent ones.



    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/atwa...ives-1.4559830
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    MALCOLM: New video casts doubt on Trudeau’s version of Atwal scandal | Toronto Sun

    http://torontosun.com/opinion/column...-atwal-scandal



    John Ivison: It is possible the Atwal affair was both a **** up and conspiracy at the same time | National Post

    “But he did suggest Atwal was removed from the blacklist by the Indian government – a fact also reported by the Times of India and other Indian media, which claimed it happened in July 2017. (Reporters from The Canadian Press, to whom Atwal showed his passport, reported seeing stamps from visits to India in January 2017 and August 2017.)

    He said Atwal has close links with Indian diplomats in India – in fact, Atwal’s own social media account showed he visited the External Affairs department in New Delhi last summer – and that he has been meeting with diplomats from the consulate in Vancouver.

    The reasons for engagement by the Indian government was the belief that the former separatist’s views have evolved. He was allowed back into India as part of the government’s attempts to marginalize pro-Khalistan voices.”


    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/john...-the-same-time

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    I’d say that putting a murder’s photo in such a way, such as this guy’s photo, should create a very problematic situation for any group - but apparently to date it hasn’t for them.
    It's funny, you always used to hear about Irish-Americans being big supporters of the IRA, apparently they were the ones keeping the Belfast gunmen so well-armed for many years, and certain politicians(cough cough Teddy) were willing to look the other way in exchange for votes.

    It would seem that certain elements of the Sikh community are Canada's version of the Boston Irish. But until now this has largely flown under the radar of Canadian awareness, though it was apparently better known in India.

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    I’d say that putting a murder’s photo in such a way, such as this guy’s photo, should create a very problematic situation for any group - but apparently to date it hasn’t for them.
    Oh, I'd say it has. Their story keeps changing and growing, it's never the same..it's hilarious

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    I have no problem with people with dual citizenship, my grandfather had one, and he was more committed to Canada than anyone else I've ever known.
    My own father had dual Can and US citizenship due to an American parent but had to renounce it to enter the armed forces when Canada was at war but the US wasn’t.
    My father had dual citizenship as well, as he was born in in El Centro California 1922. I had a small window of opportunity to do the same at one time even though I was born in New Westminster BC..
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    I have no problem with people with dual citizenship, my grandfather had one, and he was more committed to Canada than anyone else I've ever known.
    My own father had dual Can and US citizenship due to an American parent but had to renounce it to enter the armed forces when Canada was at war but the US wasn’t.
    My father had dual citizenship as well, as he was born in in El Centro California 1922. I had a small window of opportunity to do the same at one time even though I was born in New Westminster BC..
    My father was born in Canada to an American parent (who in turn had a Canadian parent) yet apparently even I could have qualified for US citizenship due to the rules in place before the 1930s or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    I’d say that putting a murder’s photo in such a way, such as this guy’s photo, should create a very problematic situation for any group - but apparently to date it hasn’t for them.
    Oh, I'd say it has. Their story keeps changing and growing, it's never the same..it's hilarious

    Just an opinion piece.

    People change so I guess it’s a case of letting bygones be bygones I guess.


    Why wasn't Jaspal Atwal on Canada's no-fly list?: Neil Macdonald
    It is unlikely that any effort was made to vet Atwal's name with CSIS
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    Neil Macdonald · Opinion Columnist · CBC News
    March 6, 2018

    Never mind the matter of why the failed assassin Jaspal Atwal would be invited to any sort of diplomatic reception, let alone one starring Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his wife. Political parties can be venal and willfully blind to ugly realities in pursuit of votes, and that should be no surprise.

    The better question is this: how in heaven's name was that man allowed to set foot on a passenger aircraft, in an age of no-fly lists so strict that babies with names similar to violent extremists are denied boarding?

    ...

    In any case, in their day, Atwal and his ideological colleagues were in the same league as, and in fact even more deadly than other far more famous groups: the Baader-Meinhof gang, the Shining Path, Black September, the IRA, the Red Army Faction.
    ...
    Let's go beyond Atwal, though. Here is another excellent question: What about ...”


    Lucky fellow, our Mr. Atwal. Time has passed, and memories have faded. Perhaps the men currently sitting in cages in Guantanamo Bay have some hope after all.

    But perhaps, just out of an abundance of caution, it would be better to keep them off airplanes.“


    http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/opinion/...twal-1.4563222


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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oVshw0CY-Hc

    Hmm what's this guy on...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    I’d say that putting a murder’s photo in such a way, such as this guy’s photo, should create a very problematic situation for any group - but apparently to date it hasn’t for them.
    Oh, I'd say it has. Their story keeps changing and growing, it's never the same..it's hilarious

    Just an opinion piece.

    People change so I guess it’s a case of letting bygones be bygones I guess.


    Why wasn't Jaspal Atwal on Canada's no-fly list?: Neil Macdonald
    It is unlikely that any effort was made to vet Atwal's name with CSIS
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    Neil Macdonald · Opinion Columnist · CBC News
    March 6, 2018

    Never mind the matter of why the failed assassin Jaspal Atwal would be invited to any sort of diplomatic reception, let alone one starring Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his wife. Political parties can be venal and willfully blind to ugly realities in pursuit of votes, and that should be no surprise.

    The better question is this: how in heaven's name was that man allowed to set foot on a passenger aircraft, in an age of no-fly lists so strict that babies with names similar to violent extremists are denied boarding?

    ...

    In any case, in their day, Atwal and his ideological colleagues were in the same league as, and in fact even more deadly than other far more famous groups: the Baader-Meinhof gang, the Shining Path, Black September, the IRA, the Red Army Faction.
    ...
    Let's go beyond Atwal, though. Here is another excellent question: What about ...”


    Lucky fellow, our Mr. Atwal. Time has passed, and memories have faded. Perhaps the men currently sitting in cages in Guantanamo Bay have some hope after all.

    But perhaps, just out of an abundance of caution, it would be better to keep them off airplanes.“


    http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/opinion/...twal-1.4563222
    We seem to have gone from no lists in Mr. Atlwal's era to lists that catch babies these days. There are known threats and unknown threats and I suspect most terrorists were never on the radar until after they did something. No fly lists are kind of like closing the gate after the horse is out, but I suppose if you inconvenience the public enough they will believe the bs the government is doing something effective.

    Mr. Atwal seems to have also gotten into India too, which is odd given that it was the country that had the greatest concerns about that sort of terrorism and he seems to have been on fairly good behavior for the last couple of decades. His recent hobby of picture taking with politicians seems relatively harmless and all the planes he has been on recently seem to have arrived at their destination without any problems. Its fine to be vigilant, but maybe we as a society need to get over terrorist hysteria a bit.

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    Maybe the NDP leaders background played a role in this whole mess.

    I’d say that this is relevant to Canadians because the worst act of terrorism against Canadians was related to this religious conflict being imported to Canada.

    NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh evades questions on Sikh political violence | Toronto Star

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-violence.html


    NDP leader Singh says he'd attend future Sikh-separatist events | CTV News

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-...ents-1.3844766
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    Mr. Atwal seems to have also gotten into India too, which is odd given that it was the country that had the greatest concerns about that sort of terrorism and he seems to have been on fairly good behavior for the last couple of decades.
    What I've read is that they let him in because he had agreed to renounce terrorism and assist the state in fighting it. Basically, turned stool pigeon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Maybe the NDP leaders background played a role in this whole mess.

    I’d say that this is relevant to Canadians because the worst act of terrorism against Canadians was related to this religious conflict being imported to Canada.

    NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh evades questions on Sikh political violence | Toronto Star

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-violence.html


    NDP leader Singh says he'd attend future Sikh-separatist events | CTV News

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-...ents-1.3844766
    I don't know how he became leader, good lord. It should of been Charlie Angus!

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    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-...orkers-silence

    WTG Rex!!

    JT is on holiday- again!! Florida, maybe dressing as Goofy and Mickey Mouse would be apt.

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    Speaking off the top of my head here but it looks like Sing is in damage control mode, back peddling or both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Speaking off the top of my head here but it looks like Sing is in damage control mode, back peddling or both.
    Oh sure, he's a diversion for Mr dress up..who Butts told to law low..wth is Canada becoming?


    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/2018...ntroversy.html

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    Maybe, but then hasn’t there been several genocides there as during partition and then maybe even with East Pakistan too?

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    Maybe the NDP leaders background played a role in this whole mess.

    I’d say that this is relevant to Canadians because the worst act of terrorism against Canadians was related to this religious conflict being imported to Canada.

    NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh evades questions on Sikh political violence | Toronto Star

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-violence.html


    NDP leader Singh says he'd attend future Sikh-separatist events | CTV News

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-...ents-1.3844766
    I don't know how he became leader, good lord. It should of been Charlie Angus!
    Yes, and look at his predecessor. Why the heck fly limos across the world and if that was necessary then anyone with common sense would have said no bloody way am I going to waste a couple million of taxpayer money on such a junket - but the PCs obviously lacked common sense!





    ‘Purged’: Public documents on Stephen Harper’s 2012 India trip have vanished | National Post


    The 219 pages dealt with the cost of flying Harper’s armoured limousines to India, and were approved for release under an access-to-information request earlier this year. The name of whoever made that request is confidential under federal law.
    ...
    “Postmedia asked for a copy. Some information is already public — it cost $1.2 million to fly the limos — but we were hoping that the 219 pages might have more detail.”



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    It was advised by the RCMP. Although PM Harper hasn't been in power for how long? I Bet blunder boy/tater tot- racks ups billions before he leaves!
    As for the dippers, they should have googled Singh boy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Maybe, but then hasn’t there been several genocides there as during partition and then maybe even with East Pakistan too?
    What's your point!

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    Maybe, but then hasn’t there been several genocides there as during partition and then maybe even with East Pakistan too?
    What's your point!
    That people can’t simply pick and choose among the many vicious murderous attacks and declare one as genocide without looking at the others.

    Why the exclamation mark?


    Here’s a quote from the article:

    “Singh -- who spent much of this week defending himself following the emergence of several videos showing him appearing at various events where others promoted Sikh independence and violence -- says there is clear evidence attacks on Sikhs by Hindus which followed the assassination of prime minister Indira Gandhi in 1984 were not spontaneous, but rather organized by government.
    ...

    He introduced a motion calling the attacks a genocide in 2016, when he was an NDP member of the Ontario legislature. That motion failed, but a very similar one brought forward by Liberal Harinder Malhi passed last year at Queen's Park.

    That motion was described by Indian media as a "body blow" to India and the Indian government called it "misguided." Although the motion was passed in a provincial legislature, the Indian government did not distinguish between the levels of government when complaining to Canada about the motion and it was among the tensions that contributed to a troubled state visit to India by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau last month.“




    Here’s another so called genocide - “British” starving British...

    Schiller Institute- How the British Starved Millions in Irish Potato Famine- Paul Gallagher
    https://www.schillerinstitute.org/ec..._famine95.html


    Was the Famine genocide by the British?
    https://www.independent.ie/entertain...-28954929.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    It was advised by the RCMP. Although PM Harper hasn't been in power for how long? I Bet blunder boy/tater tot- racks ups billions before he leaves!
    As for the dippers, they should have googled Singh boy!
    Yeah and when that advice was received what would an average person do? They’d say that there’s no way they’d waste that kind of taxpayer money. Saying Trudeau will be worse means what? Neither should be engaging in such wasteful practices and no normal person would defend either party for the wasteful spending that has and is taking place.

    Why the silly childishness in calling Trudeau names? How old are you? Or should I ask: how mature are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    It was advised by the RCMP. Although PM Harper hasn't been in power for how long? I Bet blunder boy/tater tot- racks ups billions before he leaves!
    As for the dippers, they should have googled Singh boy!
    Yeah and when that advice was received what would an average person do? They’d say that there’s no way they’d waste that kind of taxpayer money. Saying Trudeau will be worse means what? Neither should be engaging in such wasteful practices and no normal person would defend either party for the wasteful spending that has and is taking place.

    Why the silly childishness in calling Trudeau names? How old are you? Or should I ask: how mature are you?
    I'm old enough to never call that useless waste of space a PM!!
    I never have and I never will, he's just a mouthpiece with Butts pulling the strings. People have woken up to that fact, its time you did!

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    Notorious Russian troll farm targeted Trudeau, Canadian oil in online campaigns

    (H.L.) arrested for being a Russian troll.
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    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cana...mali-1.3848526

    Peacekeeping, in Mali????? Oh that will work, lots of peace to keep there...

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    ^ Mali is a hotbed of jihadis and other creeps. The mission i believe is only for 1 year and satisfies Canada's commitment to the UN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ Mali is a hotbed of jihadis and other creeps. The mission i believe is only for 1 year and satisfies Canada's commitment to the UN.
    And, in fairness, the Liberals did campaign on getting Canada back into the peacekeeping game, and Mali is a place that needs the service, so it's not entirely dishonest or illogical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
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    ^ Mali is a hotbed of jihadis and other creeps. The mission i believe is only for 1 year and satisfies Canada's commitment to the UN.
    And, in fairness, the Liberals did campaign on getting Canada back into the peacekeeping game, and Mali is a place that needs the service, so it's not entirely dishonest or illogical.
    They should know, peacekeeping has changed, there is no peace to keep.
    Terrorist are targeting peacekeepers, over 100 have been killed..all this for JTs UN seat!

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    UN Peacekeeping helps countries navigate the difficult path from conflict to peace. We have unique strengths, including legitimacy, burden sharing, and an ability to deploy troops and police from around the world, integrating them with civilian peacekeepers to address a range of mandates set by the UN Security Council and General Assembly.
    https://peacekeeping.un.org/en

    Are you suggesting we just send peacekeeping forces into safe, developed, peaceful nations? To what end? Or should we just withdraw completely from the initiatives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    UN Peacekeeping helps countries navigate the difficult path from conflict to peace. We have unique strengths, including legitimacy, burden sharing, and an ability to deploy troops and police from around the world, integrating them with civilian peacekeepers to address a range of mandates set by the UN Security Council and General Assembly.
    https://peacekeeping.un.org/en

    Are you suggesting we just send peacekeeping forces into safe, developed, peaceful nations? To what end? Or should we just withdraw completely from the initiatives?
    The UN asked them to send troops there, why? Its one of the most dangerous. If you send them, say its a combat role, not peacekeeping, that glosses over their real role! They could of gone elsewhere, JT took too long!

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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
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    ^ Mali is a hotbed of jihadis and other creeps. The mission i believe is only for 1 year and satisfies Canada's commitment to the UN.
    And, in fairness, the Liberals did campaign on getting Canada back into the peacekeeping game, and Mali is a place that needs the service, so it's not entirely dishonest or illogical.
    It works completely. As a PC I support this. The chair of the African Union has been lobbying JT for this. Canada France Belgium are members of the Francophonie club that went into Rwanda. As a PC i don't have a problem with this but I think there should be some debate about this in the House of Commons.

    After 10 years a window for a seat on the UN Security Council is available. Harper campaigned to late to get the seat, which is why the rest of the security council did not vote Canada a seat. Here's a good article on the topic:


    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle1370239/
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    UN Peacekeeping helps countries navigate the difficult path from conflict to peace. We have unique strengths, including legitimacy, burden sharing, and an ability to deploy troops and police from around the world, integrating them with civilian peacekeepers to address a range of mandates set by the UN Security Council and General Assembly.
    https://peacekeeping.un.org/en

    Are you suggesting we just send peacekeeping forces into safe, developed, peaceful nations? To what end? Or should we just withdraw completely from the initiatives?
    Another post of yours I agree with.
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    LOL, Trudeau was asked in QP about Mali, he had notes!!!he had to check his notes.omg! Butts chose Mali..

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    http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/2...l-budget-2018/


    Canadians Prefer Balanced Budget to More Spending..!!!




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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    UN Peacekeeping helps countries navigate the difficult path from conflict to peace. We have unique strengths, including legitimacy, burden sharing, and an ability to deploy troops and police from around the world, integrating them with civilian peacekeepers to address a range of mandates set by the UN Security Council and General Assembly.
    https://peacekeeping.un.org/en

    Are you suggesting we just send peacekeeping forces into safe, developed, peaceful nations? To what end? Or should we just withdraw completely from the initiatives?
    Another post of yours I agree with.

    We hardly send any peace keepers anywhere anymore. Just a small fraction now compared to the numbers we used to deploy.

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    Mali is a huge gold producer. Whenever you see troops being sent off to some far off foreign place check to see what western companies are doing in that country. It'll be oil, gold, diamonds, lithium or some other product or products being mined or harvested. Never fails. (They'll say it's some other reason though)

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    ^^ Here's a list of what you mean:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eping_missions

    ^ Coincidence maybe?
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    They asked Canada to volunteer for peacekeeping in Colombia as well, but apparently that was turned down. Arms reduction oversight or something similar. Would've been close to peacekeeping of old.
    My dad was part of UNFICYP. Good friend was part of UNPROFOR, another part of UNMIH - she's now working in Uganda for UN. Another works for the UN supporting development in Caribbean countries (based out of Edm). Another works for logisitics for UN missions, based out of Copenhagen (but originally from Edm).

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    Hearing Trudeau say in the hoc that he will be sending a lot of female soldiers on this mission to Mali is scary to me. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I think in this part of the world the crazies would absolutely love to capture a nice white girl and do nasty things. I would not want to be in their shoes. I'm thinking the biggest baddest sons of bitches only should be sent into this god forsaken backwater war zone. It's gonna be rough. The killing of UN soldiers is on the rise and they are watching for blue helmets to shoot at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Hearing Trudeau say in the hoc that he will be sending a lot of female soldiers on this mission to Mali is scary to me. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I think in this part of the world the crazies would absolutely love to capture a nice white girl and do nasty things. I would not want to be in their shoes. I'm thinking the biggest baddest sons of bitches only should be sent into this god forsaken backwater war zone. It's gonna be rough. The killing of UN soldiers is on the rise and they are watching for blue helmets to shoot at.

    I agree100%.. I can just imagine how they will be treated, this guy( JT) has no idea what he's doing, and its bloody scary!

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    Hmm

    White privilege...

    Female privilege?

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    Cambridge Analytica whistle blower lost job with Michael Ignatieff over data-harvesting in 2009: Liberal source | National Post

    “At the time, the idea was viewed as too invasive and raised concerns with the Liberals, who declined to have anything to do with it, said the insider: Wylie’s recommended data-collection approach spooked party officials to the point that it became an significant factor behind their decision not to renew his contract in 2009.

    “Let’s say he had boundary issues on data even back then,” said the source, who noted that Wylie’s recent descriptions of his methods in media reports sounded familiar.

    “He effectively pitched an earlier version of exactly this to us back in 2009 and we said, ‘No.”‘. “


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    Hmm

    White privilege...

    Female privilege?
    White? Are you saying females that serve our country are white? Wow..
    Boko Harem likes to do nasty things to women and children, they wouldn't try with men!

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    Hearing Trudeau say in the hoc that he will be sending a lot of female soldiers on this mission to Mali is scary to me.
    Sending women is just extra incentive for jihadis to attack or kidnap our troops.

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    Excuse me but women in combat roles goes back to when the charter of rights was enacted in 1982. I think women that enlist in the military know what they are getting into. Women are equal participants in combat.

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    Oh, in that case, I think all the women should be sent to the front line.

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    White privilege...

    Female privilege?
    White? Are you saying females that serve our country are white? Wow..
    Boko Harem likes to do nasty things to women and children, they wouldn't try with men!
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
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    Hearing Trudeau say in the hoc that he will be sending a lot of female soldiers on this mission to Mali is scary to me. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I think in this part of the world the crazies would absolutely love to capture a nice white girl and do nasty things. I would not want to be in their shoes. I'm thinking the biggest baddest sons of bitches only should be sent into this god forsaken backwater war zone. It's gonna be rough. The killing of UN soldiers is on the rise and they are watching for blue helmets to shoot at.

    I agree100%.. I can just imagine how they will be treated, this guy( JT) has no idea what he's doing, and its bloody scary!
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Excuse me but women in combat roles goes back to when the charter of rights was enacted in 1982. I think women that enlist in the military know what they are getting into. Women are equal participants in combat.

    https://sistersinarms.ca/history/his...men-in-combat/
    My great aunts went overseas in WWII. The likely faced a lot of risks as well.


    This may have described one or both of their roles (wished I’d asked when they were alive)

    Women at War - Historical Sheet - Second World War - History - Veterans Affairs Canada

    “4,480 Nursing Sisters (as Canadian military nurses were known) served in the war - 3,656 in the Canadian Women's Army Corps, 481 in the Women's Division of the Royal Canadian Air Force and 343 in the Women's Royal Canadian Naval Service. Many of these women found themselves within range of enemy guns and some lost their lives.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Oh, in that case, I think all the women should be sent to the front line.
    I believe the majority male or female never go to the front lines. Most are support roles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Oh, in that case, I think all the women should be sent to the front line.
    Its not a gender issue anymore in the military. Women in the military previously to the charter of rights we're in support roles. My mom was a aircraft riveter in ww2 on the home front. Dad ferried aircraft across the Atlantic. Both my parents had pilot license. If a woman wants to serve in a combat role, that's up to her. The military is like a corporation. Lots of departments. Women aren't sent to "the front line" because they are women.
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    I wish we had Brad Wall instead of JT
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Oh, in that case, I think all the women should be sent to the front line.
    Its not a gender issue anymore in the military. Women in the military previously to the charter of rights we're in support roles. My mom was a aircraft riveter in ww2 on the home front. Dad ferried aircraft across the Atlantic. Both my parents had pilot license. If a woman wants to serve in a combat role, that's up to her. The military is like a corporation. Lots of departments. Women aren't sent to "the front line" because they are women.
    Remember Paul Martin, (Mr Dithers) not a name I gave him, but it suited him. He could of said where our troops were headed to in Afghanistan, but he left it too long and dithered! Look where they ended up.Same with JT, he wants a seat so badly, he'll risk our troops, and send them to Mali.. I hate the liittle narsastic git..

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I wish we had Brad Wall instead of JT
    Beavis and Butthead... ( barf)!

    http://torontosun.com/opinion/column...loose#comments

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I wish we had Brad Wall instead of JT
    Beavis and Butthead... ( barf)!

    http://torontosun.com/opinion/column...loose#comments
    I just posted this today to another thread (see below). Note the comment on Saskatchewan debt levels - relatively speaking, Saskatchewan’s debt is twice Alberta’s.



    Even with all our recent borrowing, our net debt represents only about 6.5 per cent of our economy, compared with about 15 per cent in neighbouring B.C. and Saskatchewan and a staggering 45 per cent in Quebec.





    Alberta's budget: You've heard the spin, now take a look at the real numbers - Calgary - CBC News



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    Ballsy budget by Wall, to raise taxes and cut spending. It'll be interesting to see how his electorate reacts. I found this chart interesting:



    This is a "fiscal conservative"? Looks like Wall managed to increase Saskatchewan's total debt load even when the times were good. Just goes to show you that regardless of ideology, most governments are unable to resist the temptation to spend like drunken sailors when the times are good.
    Double the predecessor's and tripled over their time. (Might have been smart to take advantage of multi-gen lows in interest rates.

    Still shows the consequences of responding to demands to serve a growing population, fix infrastructure deficits, raise compensation, build new schools, etc - much through financing based on higher but temporary revenues - all serving to throw fuel on the economic fire. Nice while it lasts and until until they reverse course and start throwing water on the remaining embers.
    I suppose the easiest way to reduce our debt significantly would be to have a 5% provincial sales tax, in addition to income taxes, like Saskatchewan does. Oh wait a minute, that's wrong now - yesterday in their Provincial Budget it was increased to 6% to help reduce the deficit.

    Who here likes the idea of a 6% sales tax?
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    Sadly, simply being a conservative makes him infallible to some.

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    I'm PC and I don't think that. I'm sure others don't as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I'm PC and I don't think that. I'm sure others don't as well.
    I don't think that of anyone.

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    Wall is just abandoning ship because his policies are the usual backward CON ones in the face of the collapse of oil and potash prices

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    I see Moe is as popular as Wall! Good to see

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    Brad Wall has charisma. I raised a lot of money for Wall's 2011 campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Brad Wall has charisma. I raised a lot of money for Wall's 2011 campaign.
    We met him quite awhile ago, he's a very nice man. No selfies, no wanting to b the centre of attention..


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    ^ He's very well spoken and knows his stuff.
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