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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    “The video was shot in the early 1990s, however, it’s not clear where it takes place.”

    Like a lot of what is broadly seen today as reprehensible behaviour back in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, I believe this type of character playing was far more common or acceptable in the early 1990s. He was also younger then. So I think dredging up this past maybe should be tempered with the realities of the day.
    The first one, he was a drama teacher, who should of known better. There's a pattern, he lied about SNC, he lied about JWR, and he lied about blackface.( he said last night, there was one another time )JT is a hypocrite..
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    “The video was shot in the early 1990s, however, it’s not clear where it takes place.”

    Like a lot of what is broadly seen today as reprehensible behaviour back in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, I believe this type of character playing was far more common or acceptable in the early 1990s. He was also younger then. So I think dredging up this past maybe should be tempered with the realities of the day.
    The first one, he was a drama teacher, who should of known better. There's a pattern, he lied about SNC, he lied about JWR, and he lied about blackface.( he said last night, there was one another time )JT is a hypocrite..
    Is it three instances or three photos of two instances?

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    The first one, he was a drama teacher, who should of known better. There's a pattern, he lied about SNC, he lied about JWR, and he lied about blackface.( he said last night, there was one another time )JT is a hypocrite..
    OK, so which candidate is not a hypocrite? Voters want to know!
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    Still rather take an apologetic hypocrite over an unapologetic bigot.
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    I can imagine the reaction if it was a conservative candidate, let alone the leader...and btw, i dont think Trudeau is a racist whatsoever. Just a stupid mistake.

    Also weird how Time magazine first reported the story, and not one of our media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trick91 View Post
    I can imagine the reaction if it was a conservative candidate, let alone the leader...and btw, i dont think Trudeau is a racist whatsoever. Just a stupid mistake.

    Also weird how Time magazine first reported the story, and not one of our media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trick91 View Post
    I can imagine the reaction if it was a conservative candidate, let alone the leader...and btw, i dont think Trudeau is a racist whatsoever. Just a stupid mistake.

    Also weird how Time magazine first reported the story, and not one of our media.
    Someone who was there( a guy in BC) gave it to them

    Visible minorities are very hurt by this, just ask them.
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    “The video was shot in the early 1990s, however, it’s not clear where it takes place.”

    Like a lot of what is broadly seen today as reprehensible behaviour back in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, I believe this type of character playing was far more common or acceptable in the early 1990s. He was also younger then. So I think dredging up this past maybe should be tempered with the realities of the day.
    The first one, he was a drama teacher, who should of known better. There's a pattern, he lied about SNC, he lied about JWR, and he lied about blackface.( he said last night, there was one another time )JT is a hypocrite..
    Is it three instances or three photos of two instances?
    Three instances!
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    I guess, he can kiss his UN job goodbye!
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    Not sure if anyone else feels the same, but this feels like one of those elections with no good options to vote.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...eral-campaign/

    Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau is delaying the release of independent reports on the cost of his promises and will not be submitting all of his election pledges for review by the Parliamentary Budget Officer.

    It is the first election campaign in which political parties have the option of submitting potential campaign promises to the PBO in confidence for an analysis of the estimated cost. If the party decides to go ahead with the idea, it can then authorize the PBO to post its analysis online.

    The Liberals legislated the new rules after promising the change in their 2015 platform, which said it would “help Canadians make informed decisions during elections.”

    However, the Liberal campaign team said the party is only submitting “big ticket” proposals to the PBO for costing. The party is also delaying the release of related PBO reports until the full platform is released because some promises are connected and releasing costing reports individually “wouldn’t tell the whole story.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    “The video was shot in the early 1990s, however, it’s not clear where it takes place.”

    Like a lot of what is broadly seen today as reprehensible behaviour back in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, I believe this type of character playing was far more common or acceptable in the early 1990s. He was also younger then. So I think dredging up this past maybe should be tempered with the realities of the day.
    how to deal with it today - or not, as the case may be - by us and by him is up to us and up to him. but i remember the 1970's, 80's and 90's and it was neither common nor acceptable in the early 1990's. and it clearly should have been unacceptable in a teaching and educational role even if that position was also secured on name recognition and family connections. from creston to here to india to the "i'm ****** off at myself and there is no higher punishment so move along nothing to see here non apology" and everything in between, there's a pattern and a consistency here that should be deeply troubling.
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    The photos of Canada's Prime Minister wearing blackface (on multiple occasions now) is all over international headlines.

    It's poetic justice that this emerges after months of him and his party trying to divide Canadian people and pandering to ethnic minority groups for votes by calling conservatives racists all the time.

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    I think all of us have done things when we were younger/ teenagers that would definitely be not appropriate now.

    Some things should be looked at differently, especially when it comes to being a teenager and in the context of stupidity.However, when it comes to politics and PM's, the bar is higher. Period.

    He obviously knew about this and chose not to disclose it, especially when he was shouting down people and calling them racists at press conferences. Maybe he should do the right thing for the country and step down and call it a day.

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    Would it be racist if he did whiteface?
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    "The poorly-thought-through, accidental & apologetic racist should step aside & let the genuine & dedicated bigots take the wheel" - conservatives in the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Would it be racist if he did whiteface?
    He did that, too:

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    The photos of Canada's Prime Minister wearing blackface (on multiple occasions now) is all over international headlines.

    It's poetic justice that this emerges after months of him and his party trying to divide Canadian people and pandering to ethnic minority groups for votes by calling conservatives racists all the time.
    It is. I don't think Trudeau is racist, and I loathe the man. But his doing all he could, to paint all Conservatives as racists, disgusts me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    I think all of us have done things when we were younger/ teenagers that would definitely be not appropriate now.

    Some things should be looked at differently, especially when it comes to being a teenager and in the context of stupidity.However, when it comes to politics and PM's, the bar is higher. Period.

    He obviously knew about this and chose not to disclose it, especially when he was shouting down people and calling them racists at press conferences. Maybe he should do the right thing for the country and step down and call it a day.
    emphasis added...

    except he wasn't a foolish teenager was he? he was almost 30 and he was a teacher responsible for educating and setting an example for young children at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Would it be racist if he did whiteface?
    Years ago in the UK, 60s, we had the black and white minstrel show, so that has already been done. It was enjoyed, by people that didn't know any better, it was pulled off the air
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    I think all of us have done things when we were younger/ teenagers that would definitely be not appropriate now. Some things should be looked at differently, especially when it comes to being a teenager and in the context of stupidity.However, when it comes to politics and PM's, the bar is higher. Period. He obviously knew about this and chose not to disclose it, especially when he was shouting down people and calling them racists at press conferences. Maybe he should do the right thing for the country and step down and call it a day.
    emphasis added...except he wasn't a foolish teenager was he? he was almost 30 and he was a teacher responsible for educating and setting an example for young children at the time.
    I agree. I was talking about the ones in high school, there is a world of difference between those and the one in 2001 when he was a teacher.

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    Ted Danson at Whoopi Goldberg roast



    Why Whoopi Goldberg Wasn't Offended by Ted Danson's Blackface Routine in the Slightest
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    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
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    I think all of us have done things when we were younger/ teenagers that would definitely be not appropriate now. Some things should be looked at differently, especially when it comes to being a teenager and in the context of stupidity.However, when it comes to politics and PM's, the bar is higher. Period. He obviously knew about this and chose not to disclose it, especially when he was shouting down people and calling them racists at press conferences. Maybe he should do the right thing for the country and step down and call it a day.
    emphasis added...except he wasn't a foolish teenager was he? he was almost 30 and he was a teacher responsible for educating and setting an example for young children at the time.
    I agree. I was talking about the ones in high school, there is a world of difference between those and the one in 2001 when he was a teacher.
    I've never know anyone personally, that painted their face black or brown but in the last video, he did his face, arms and legs.. Peculiar.
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    And they were dating at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Trudeau calls it racism.

    I see it as a grey area. If you dress up for a costume ball, as an actor for theater or for Halloween with no intent to mock or belittle others, I see no harm.

    If the intent was to harm and mock another group, then it is not right.

    There are pictures in our family photo album of me with an Indian costume made from paper bags. All the kids wore them including my best friend at the time who was half indigenous . It was a class project as we learned about Canadian history. It was when I was 8 years old and in grade two.

    Would you call that racist?

    Have you ever worn a costume that someone else may find racist today?
    I came to the thread pretty much knowing this would be your take and that you had done something similar in your childhood because its almost a meme with you.

    Perhaps I was less given to such silly displays, and mom dressed me in a gunslinger holstered Cowboy suit once to win a K Days contest, but I thought it silly and didn't see why I should be wearing cowboy boots, vest, hat, etc and never did again. not for Halloween, not for anything. Dressed as a Gorilla, spaceman, ghost, goblin, tiger, bear, but never culturally appropriated others, never wore black face, never wore redface. Simply didn't see the validity of trying to be some other race, or that it was funny, or any coherent thing to do.

    But you crossed fast moving rivers, jumped cliffs, milked kittens, did blackface, redface appropriating of culture so not surprised.

    That "all the kids did this" is further testimony to you normalizing something that simply wasn't that popular. You're attempting to make it a plurality when really its not.

    When I grew up some kid in the neighborhood having watched a deplorable western or John Wayne movie said "lets play Cowboys and Indians" at the age of 6 or 7 most of us recognized this already as pretty ridiculous, if not disturbing depiction and especially considering we were playing a lot with Indigenous youth. The activity didn't occur because we declined. it just seemed wrong to do. We already had that mindset.


    But its the droll equivocation that is most offensive. JT comes from a political family. His father was a longterm Prime Minister. He was born with every advantage, had the best education possible, he himself selected to be a teacher to teach and educate children and in so many ways he is sophomoric, disrespectful, has many aspects of a past inappropriate to political office, and culturally appropriated even as Prime Minister while in India.

    Higher standard applies, and yet it doesn't to JT, it never does in his "case by case" basis of scrutiny, which conveniently absolves him of consequence always.

    The real message in this once again is that JT is a hypocritical liar, the same person that didn't realize blackface was wrong back then still has no concept of cultural appropriation being wrong. Seemingly he does it any chance he gets and doesn't know why he shouldn't.
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    Ok, we get it. You lead a sheltered life and read Gandhi as a toddler and Plato by the time you began kindergarten.

    I guess you are just bitter that other kids grew up not being perfectly politically correct and had fun throwing snowballs, riding bikes without helmets and skipping school.

    Yes Replacement, you lead a sheltered life. So sorry for you that now you are perplexed why nobody thinks the way you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Ted Danson at Whoopi Goldberg roast



    Why Whoopi Goldberg Wasn't Offended by Ted Danson's Blackface Routine in the Slightest
    https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertain...lightest.html/
    not the same, not even slightly...

    ted danson's roast was a parody - a repudiation - of the very acts and actions trudeau willingly engaged in and enjoyed engaging in 8 years later. that roast - that extremely public repudiation - took place in 1993!

    you'd think that would be more than enough time for a drama teacher to become aware of issues even those in his field were regularly bringing to the forefront. it doesn't say much if he didn't understand and it doesn't say much - and probably less - if he did understand but just didn't care.
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    Headlines around the world ,wow. Poster boy, fails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Ok, we get it. You lead a sheltered life and read Gandhi as a toddler and Plato by the time you began kindergarten.

    I guess you are just bitter that other kids grew up not being perfectly politically correct and had fun throwing snowballs, riding bikes without helmets and skipping school.

    Yes Replacement, you lead a sheltered life. So sorry for you that now you are perplexed why nobody thinks the way you do.
    Had no shortage of throwing footballs, playing hockey, other sports and I was out all day exploring, hiking, going on expeditions to far reaches beyond city limit with lunch bag provisions on bicycles. We brought maps, knew where we were, and I had a keen sense of direction and understood how the sun at this latitude reveals direction.

    Not bitter about it, just that we're not foolish, and those that I hung around with were not foolish and attempting to drown ourselves in rivers either. We had tons of fun, without putting ourselves at needless risk or doing activities that would have been uncomfortable or even harmful to others.

    I get though that you were so foolish that you put not only yourself at risk but your friends in the very activities that you selected. Myself, and the friends I had showed a bit more responsibility. In my lexicon a better friend advises against extremely dangerous activity but as we've seen ymmv. You can bash away at that I guess attaching strawman critiques to it.

    Be sure to add suggestions of bubble wrapped kids as is your rebutting forte.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    “The video was shot in the early 1990s, however, it’s not clear where it takes place.”

    Like a lot of what is broadly seen today as reprehensible behaviour back in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, I believe this type of character playing was far more common or acceptable in the early 1990s. He was also younger then. So I think dredging up this past maybe should be tempered with the realities of the day.
    how to deal with it today - or not, as the case may be - by us and by him is up to us and up to him. but i remember the 1970's, 80's and 90's and it was neither common nor acceptable in the early 1990's. and it clearly should have been unacceptable in a teaching and educational role even if that position was also secured on name recognition and family connections. from creston to here to india to the "i'm ****** off at myself and there is no higher punishment so move along nothing to see here non apology" and everything in between, there's a pattern and a consistency here that should be deeply troubling.
    Yeah, it wasn’t a issue I was very aware of if at all back then. There’s a whole lot of issues I wasn’t aware of concerning acting/actors that go back decades. (Typecasting of and barriers to most minorities, keeping specific populations like Jewish followers out of movies as far back as say the 1930s, typecasting and age discrimination against women...)

    I recall the weirdness of the media flurry about gay rights, gay marriage rights, Ellen DeGeneres revealing her sexual orientation and things like that. Then also the visible minority racism issues of the 1980s and 90s.



    This wasn’t very long ago:

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    As opposed to his first apology, the one today was definitely more fulsome. Instead of making it about himself, he took responsibility for his actions and acknowledged the hurt they caused to many Canadians who face racism and discrimination.

    This has a good chance of blowing over if there are no more revelations. I understand not telling anyone about serious past indiscretions (perhaps not even your spouse) because of shame and embarrassment if Trudeau is being truthful on this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    Trudeau calls it racism.

    I see it as a grey area. If you dress up for a costume ball, as an actor for theater or for Halloween with no intent to mock or belittle others, I see no harm.

    If the intent was to harm and mock another group, then it is not right.

    There are pictures in our family photo album of me with an Indian costume made from paper bags. All the kids wore them including my best friend at the time who was half indigenous . It was a class project as we learned about Canadian history. It was when I was 8 years old and in grade two.

    Would you call that racist?

    Have you ever worn a costume that someone else may find racist today?
    I came to the thread pretty much knowing this would be your take and that you had done something similar in your childhood because its almost a meme with you.

    Perhaps I was less given to such silly displays, and mom dressed me in a gunslinger holstered Cowboy suit once to win a K Days contest, but I thought it silly and didn't see why I should be wearing cowboy boots, vest, hat, etc and never did again. not for Halloween, not for anything. Dressed as a Gorilla, spaceman, ghost, goblin, tiger, bear, but never culturally appropriated others, never wore black face, never wore redface. Simply didn't see the validity of trying to be some other race, or that it was funny, or any coherent thing to do.

    But you crossed fast moving rivers, jumped cliffs, milked kittens, did blackface, redface appropriating of culture so not surprised.

    That "all the kids did this" is further testimony to you normalizing something that simply wasn't that popular. You're attempting to make it a plurality when really its not.

    When I grew up some kid in the neighborhood having watched a deplorable western or John Wayne movie said "lets play Cowboys and Indians" at the age of 6 or 7 most of us recognized this already as pretty ridiculous, if not disturbing depiction and especially considering we were playing a lot with Indigenous youth. The activity didn't occur because we declined. it just seemed wrong to do. We already had that mindset.


    But its the droll equivocation that is most offensive. JT comes from a political family. His father was a longterm Prime Minister. He was born with every advantage, had the best education possible, he himself selected to be a teacher to teach and educate children and in so many ways he is sophomoric, disrespectful, has many aspects of a past inappropriate to political office, and culturally appropriated even as Prime Minister while in India.

    Higher standard applies, and yet it doesn't to JT, it never does in his "case by case" basis of scrutiny, which conveniently absolves him of consequence always.

    The real message in this once again is that JT is a hypocritical liar, the same person that didn't realize blackface was wrong back then still has no concept of cultural appropriation being wrong. Seemingly he does it any chance he gets and doesn't know why he shouldn't.
    I don't think you should conclude he is a hypocritical liar. Yes, he did something in his past that seems to be at variance with his values now, but I suspect almost everyone has done something in their past that wasn't good or they regret in hindsight. Its part of being human. If we expect perfection in our political leaders, we are bound to be disappointed and frustrated. I suspect the photo albums and year books across the country and around the world are full of various politicians doing or saying various questionable things and we can dig up all kinds of stuff. It may give us some insight into the person, but it also may not be that relevant. Thankfully, up to now that has been more a US thing than here.

    It used to be quite popular when I was a kid to play cowboys and Indians. I agree these days that would not be considered proper, society's views change, evolve over time. I had a cowboy hat and a toy gun (I didn't ask for it, but thanks mom and dad), not an Indian costume and I don't recall play shooting Indians. It did seem a bit silly to me even back then, but others seemed to be really into it. I don't know know what that all means.

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    You played Genocidal, Invading, Land Stealing Maniacs vs Plague Weakened, Starving, Robbed, Displaced Indigenous People?

    There’s a whole lot of education I’ve received and continue to receive that I was totally ignorant of - before.

    Long way me to go too.
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    I don't know who JT is. He lectures us about diversity, he lectures us on being a feminist, he lectures us on climate change, and yet all three subjects, I have seen him do and say the exact opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trick91 View Post
    I can imagine the reaction if it was a conservative candidate, let alone the leader...and btw, i dont think Trudeau is a racist whatsoever. Just a stupid mistake.

    Also weird how Time magazine first reported the story, and not one of our media.
    Yup. Prejudice (racist?) gross generalizing views against c/Conservatives would mean a permanent racist label slapped on any conservative candidate having done this.

    There would be no forgiveness as it would just be considered confirmation of the hateful stereotypes held against this group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    As opposed to his first apology, the one today was definitely more fulsome. Instead of making it about himself, he took responsibility for his actions and acknowledged the hurt they caused to many Canadians who face racism and discrimination.

    This has a good chance of blowing over if there are no more revelations. I understand not telling anyone about serious past indiscretions (perhaps not even your spouse) because of shame and embarrassment if Trudeau is being truthful on this point.
    I think that's a problem, well a problem for him, you said IF Trudeau is being truthful. I don't know how you can tell anymore. Regardless, his brand has been tarnished, and other countries will look at him differently.

    Plenty of people grew up with privileged, and didn't stoop to painting their faces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
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    Trudeau calls it racism.

    I see it as a grey area. If you dress up for a costume ball, as an actor for theater or for Halloween with no intent to mock or belittle others, I see no harm.

    If the intent was to harm and mock another group, then it is not right.

    There are pictures in our family photo album of me with an Indian costume made from paper bags. All the kids wore them including my best friend at the time who was half indigenous . It was a class project as we learned about Canadian history. It was when I was 8 years old and in grade two.

    Would you call that racist?

    Have you ever worn a costume that someone else may find racist today?
    I came to the thread pretty much knowing this would be your take and that you had done something similar in your childhood because its almost a meme with you.

    Perhaps I was less given to such silly displays, and mom dressed me in a gunslinger holstered Cowboy suit once to win a K Days contest, but I thought it silly and didn't see why I should be wearing cowboy boots, vest, hat, etc and never did again. not for Halloween, not for anything. Dressed as a Gorilla, spaceman, ghost, goblin, tiger, bear, but never culturally appropriated others, never wore black face, never wore redface. Simply didn't see the validity of trying to be some other race, or that it was funny, or any coherent thing to do.

    But you crossed fast moving rivers, jumped cliffs, milked kittens, did blackface, redface appropriating of culture so not surprised.

    That "all the kids did this" is further testimony to you normalizing something that simply wasn't that popular. You're attempting to make it a plurality when really its not.

    When I grew up some kid in the neighborhood having watched a deplorable western or John Wayne movie said "lets play Cowboys and Indians" at the age of 6 or 7 most of us recognized this already as pretty ridiculous, if not disturbing depiction and especially considering we were playing a lot with Indigenous youth. The activity didn't occur because we declined. it just seemed wrong to do. We already had that mindset.


    But its the droll equivocation that is most offensive. JT comes from a political family. His father was a longterm Prime Minister. He was born with every advantage, had the best education possible, he himself selected to be a teacher to teach and educate children and in so many ways he is sophomoric, disrespectful, has many aspects of a past inappropriate to political office, and culturally appropriated even as Prime Minister while in India.

    Higher standard applies, and yet it doesn't to JT, it never does in his "case by case" basis of scrutiny, which conveniently absolves him of consequence always.

    The real message in this once again is that JT is a hypocritical liar, the same person that didn't realize blackface was wrong back then still has no concept of cultural appropriation being wrong. Seemingly he does it any chance he gets and doesn't know why he shouldn't.
    I don't think you should conclude he is a hypocritical liar. Yes, he did something in his past that seems to be at variance with his values now, but I suspect almost everyone has done something in their past that wasn't good or they regret in hindsight. Its part of being human. If we expect perfection in our political leaders, we are bound to be disappointed and frustrated. I suspect the photo albums and year books across the country and around the world are full of various politicians doing or saying various questionable things and we can dig up all kinds of stuff. It may give us some insight into the person, but it also may not be that relevant. Thankfully, up to now that has been more a US thing than here.

    It used to be quite popular when I was a kid to play cowboys and Indians. I agree these days that would not be considered proper, society's views change, evolve over time. I had a cowboy hat and a toy gun (I didn't ask for it, but thanks mom and dad), not an Indian costume and I don't recall play shooting Indians. It did seem a bit silly to me even back then, but others seemed to be really into it. I don't know know what that all means.
    Some background. I thankfully grew up in a diverse, but challenging impoverished area with many different cultures. So that such activities as playing cowboys and Indians would be outed as improper the moment they ever got started. (and didn't) I don't know how other areas or communities figured cowboys and Indians was OK play with indigenous kids participating. I don't get how that inclusively occurs on a friendly level. I just don't. Treating our friends with respect we declined to involve in activities and play they were not comfortable with. Perhaps we were accepting enough to listen to them as well and for them to have empowered voice..War games were not acceptable in our neighborhood either due to the ethnic configuration. This was not considered innocent play, if it was even considered. When your parents have been in wars, internment, concentration camps, or were civilian victims you learned that war games are simply not games, its the depiction of evil or hell on Earth.

    Trudeau is a hypocritical liar for not this reason alone but for a list of them that would span pages and that I don't need to type out. Pretty much anybody could write a topten, and his statements are not white lies. They are clearly intentional misinformation. But for somebody that has made it a missive to be the better way, the future, and who self describes enlightenment all of Trudeaus misgivings and "she perceived that differently" perspectives are shockingly ironic. The man is a clown, I would be embarrassed to be him, and to have his published track record. But he's incapable of acknowledging it or even seeing it. The same self lying that allows himself to consider that he is a divine world leader of society, is the same self conceit that deep down see's no fault in himself. I was taught apology means you are heartfelt, and with honest intent to refrain from similar. To learn something of your behavior and not have countless instances of stepping in it.

    Trudeau culturally appropriated, which was mocked and critiqued world over, DURING his trip to India. He did it extensively. He STILL doesn't understand what cultural appropriation is or why its inappropriate to engage in it. He's a teacher, an educator, a leader, a Prime Minister, and he doesn't get it but we've always known he's very poorly suited for office.

    Trudeau is an embarrassment, but will never see that, and many liberal supporters, maybe even a plurality, will excuse it, or not hold him accountable for it.
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    But many of us learned from our mistakes, evolved, changed our ways, show more empathy and became better people. We have coworkers, close friends and intimate relations with people of all color, religion and background.

    Others have not and remain as bigots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    But many of us learned from our mistakes, evolved, changed our ways, show more empathy and became better people. We have coworkers, close friends and intimate relations with people of all color, religion and background.

    Others have not and remain as bigots

    bigot noun
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    Definition of bigot
    : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
    especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
    I think it’s somewhat a hazard of the job. Falls out of their common processes.

    Political parties pursue votes through the most efficient means they can. So they focus on various agglomerations of people and target the leaders hoping the members/followers will fall in line and mindlessly vote accordingly the leaders’ wishes. So by its nature it’s a top-down (rooted in bigotry? segregationism? ) process. They can’t afford to see and treat all voters as individuals thinking independently, because they first must target the religious, ethnic, business, union or whatever leaders.

    Get the left vote, the educated vote, the uneducated vote, the minority vote, the Catholic vote, the small business vote, the millennial vote... it’s endless and each label represents gross and ignorant generalizations.

    These political parties all seem to attend functions hosted by various groups (vested interest groups) to obtain block votes. I see it as process driven.
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    Good! he needs to know, his actions have consequences. This is just one of them

    Trudeau is an embarrassment, but will never see that, and many liberal supporters, maybe even a plurality, will excuse it, or not hold him accountable for it.
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    Good! he needs to know, his actions have consequences. This is just one of them

    Trudeau is an embarrassment, but will never see that, and many liberal supporters, maybe even a plurality, will excuse it, or not hold him accountable for it.
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    Stick with the team no matter what? Don’t many Conservatives do that too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Would it be racist if he did whiteface?
    He did that, too:

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    Is that legit? Yeesh. Mr Dressup indeed.

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    Good! he needs to know, his actions have consequences. This is just one of them

    Trudeau is an embarrassment, but will never see that, and many liberal supporters, maybe even a plurality, will excuse it, or not hold him accountable for it.
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    Exactly.
    Stick with the team no matter what? Don’t many Conservatives do that too?
    Isn't that disingenuous invoking of same stripes? Maybe that could be said of Alberta through dynamic. But not many provinces having the Fed Libs stick the finger at them figuratively, literally and really.

    Identity politics, like that practiced by the Fed Libs is an attempt to gain office, and stay in office due to vague assertions about the Cons. About "Not going back to Harpers", about being "forward thinking" implying that the Cons are immutably backward.

    In my entire life I've seen Liberals primarily campaign strictly on impugning the opposition while self describing vague notions of being the only legitimate choice.

    I've seen Cons often run on budget pragmatism, limiting deficit and debt, spending less, etc.

    Maybe in context these are not one and the same.


    Trudeau is running this re-election campaign again on rhetoric (like he did against Harper) and while he wears no clothes and intently avoids question periods, declines questions during rallies, as well as skipping leadership debates. This is reelection on a smile, accountability in office be damned, informed democracy be damned.

    its bad enough to play identity divisive politics. But when you ARE that identity that you are conflating its sheer comedy.

    As Rex Murphy once stated if Trudeau lost his party leadership, or was voted out it would be a shame because we would lose out on all this unintended comedic material.
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    Yes, for H.L., I resort to whataboutism at every opportunity.

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    Yes, for H.L., I resort to whataboutism at every opportunity.
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