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    Lower municipal voting age to 16, Edmonton youth council says - Edmonton - CBC News
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    Related: How old do you have to be to run for a municipal position and should people be able to vote for positions they can't hold?

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    I wouldn't allow 16 year old kids to vote. Those kids don't know how to drive properly, they don't own any property, they don't have enough life experiences to make an informed decision on a variety of issues.
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    I believe you can get elected when you are 18 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    I wouldn't allow 16 year old kids to vote. Those kids don't know how to drive properly, they don't own any property, they don't have enough life experiences to make an informed decision on a variety of issues.
    None of those are requirements for voting in a democracy.

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    It will turn municipal voting into even more of a high-school popularity contest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    I wouldn't allow 16 year old kids to vote. Those kids don't know how to drive properly, they don't own any property, they don't have enough life experiences to make an informed decision on a variety of issues.
    No one in Vancouver, NYC, or Toronto, owns any property either.

    Wasn't legal driving age in Alberta 14 for the longest time? 16 used to be full license here IIRC.

    I don't condone 16 year olds voting, but there are better reasons to use as to why they shouldn't be able to vote. Lack of logic and critical thinking come to mind. Most 16 year olds think their life is over one week, while the next they are on cloud 9. It is biology. While there are exceptions to these rules, I don't think the majority of 16 year olds have the maturity to make such a decision.
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    I wouldn't allow 16 year old kids to vote. Those kids don't know how to drive properly, they don't own any property, they don't have enough life experiences to make an informed decision on a variety of issues.
    No one in Vancouver, NYC, or Toronto, owns any property either.

    Wasn't legal driving age in Alberta 14 for the longest time? 16 used to be full license here IIRC.

    I don't condone 16 year olds voting, but there are better reasons to use as to why they shouldn't be able to vote. Lack of logic and critical thinking come to mind. Most 16 year olds think their life is over one week, while the next they are on cloud 9. It is biology. While there are exceptions to these rules, I don't think the majority of 16 year olds have the maturity to make such a decision.
    Ahh, folks. May I draw you attention to Trump's success in the primaries.

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    I think the only qualifications on voting should be citizenship and age of majority (legal adulthood and legal independence from your parents). I wouldn't mind seeing the voting age dropped to 16 but it should be accompanied by a drop in the age of majority as well. So, for example, dropping the voting age to 16 should also be accompanied by a drop in the age at which you would tried as an adult for criminal acts to 16 as well.

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    Any age is going to be arbitrary, but 18 at least tends to mean someone has completed a basic K-12 education.

    Going to 16 is kinda like Trump saying "I love the uneducated."
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    This might be okay, but I personally think 18 is fine as at this age kids may be more independent. I remember when I was 16, if I could have voted, I would have voted for whomever my parents said I should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    I wouldn't allow 16 year old kids to vote. Those kids don't know how to drive properly, they don't own any property, they don't have enough life experiences to make an informed decision on a variety of issues.
    No one in Vancouver, NYC, or Toronto, owns any property either.

    Wasn't legal driving age in Alberta 14 for the longest time? 16 used to be full license here IIRC.

    I don't condone 16 year olds voting, but there are better reasons to use as to why they shouldn't be able to vote. Lack of logic and critical thinking come to mind. Most 16 year olds think their life is over one week, while the next they are on cloud 9. It is biology. While there are exceptions to these rules, I don't think the majority of 16 year olds have the maturity to make such a decision.
    Ahh, folks. May I draw you attention to Trump's success in the primaries.
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    I think the "lack of logic and critical thinking" == Trump supporters was the point. Took me a couple reads.
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    16 is to young to be voting. Sure there are 16 year olds that are very engaged in the world around them, but I think they are in the minority. Most 16 year olds just want to be 16 year olds. It's the time between boyhood and manhood. From a girl to a women etc. Politics is usually not on the radar of this age group until a much later age. Sure it would be nice to get kids engaged but kids should be left to be kids and teens should be left to be teens. Plenty of time to get on board in the 'civic' clown car. It's not like civic politics is a pressing issue for anybody. Most of it is listening to bozo's trying to extort more tax dollars off you or flogging some half baked ideas.
    Bad enough the adults wading through some of the chit the elected put them through. Don't make the kids do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    I think the "lack of logic and critical thinking" == Trump supporters was the point. Took me a couple reads.
    Ah, makes more sense in that regard.

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    Most troubling is the double standard that this change will bring about. On the one hand, 16- and 17-year-olds are being told, yes, you’re mature and adult enough to vote. But when 16- and 17-year-olds commit a crime, there’s an entirely different message from government: “Young people lack the maturity of adults.” That line comes from a federal Justice Department document explaining the rationale for the Youth Criminal Justice Act, where those under the age of 18 are treated much differently and more leniently under the law.

    In other spheres of life, the lack of maturity among teenagers is why those under 18 can’t sign legally binding contracts and it’s why parents are legally bound to care for their children until they turn 18.
    Voting is a serious and weighty matter, with significant consequences for our society.
    So when you’re fully and legally responsible for your own room and board, when you’re old enough to face the full consequences of any crime you commit, when you’re old enough to fully understand and live with the consequences of a legal contract, that’s when you’ve taken on enough responsibility to also receive the adult right to vote.

    From:http://edmontonjournal.com/news/poli...ipal-elections
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    I'd be OK with lowering all aspects of the legal age of majority (including being charged as an adult in the case of crimes) to 16.

    Historically the legal age has varied by culture but practically speaking the extended childhood entrenched in our culture is fairly recent and, in my opinion, detrimental. By 16 people should be ready to fully participate as adults. Maturity comes with responsibility. Delaying the acquisition of that responsibility just delays maturity. Treat 16 year olds as adults and they will grow up faster and that's not a bad thing.

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    I think its a bad idea, its better to have one consistent rule for everything (drinking, military service, etc.), being 18, and I don't think city politics should be different from province or federal.

    Also there are political implications. Young people haven't fully matured yet, and accordingly, are more likely to believe in more childish left wing policies (i.e. they don't understand you have to earn money before you can spend it), which skews voting in favor of left wing parties.

    If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    I'd be OK with lowering all aspects of the legal age of majority (including being charged as an adult in the case of crimes) to 16.
    Would that include the age at which parents are no longer legally liable (or however that works) for a child?
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    How about we switch out the present council and replace with the youth council? Give it a year and see what happens. Which council would learn more in a year?
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    While I have no qualms about the Edmonton Youth Council's sincerity I think the age should be kept at 18. Youth who are engaged in voting at 18 will more than likely still be engaged at 48. Youth who are not engaged in politics at 18 may get engaged at a later date. Let's face it, some adults have never voted for years. They were probably never engaged in politics at a young age. You are either a voter or your not. I doubt lowering the voting age would change that..
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    How about we switch out the present council and replace with the youth council? Give it a year and see what happens. Which council would learn more in a year?
    The one that knew less in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    How about we switch out the present council and replace with the youth council? Give it a year and see what happens. Which council would learn more in a year?
    The one that knew less in the first place?
    Again, which would learn more in a year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
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    How about we switch out the present council and replace with the youth council? Give it a year and see what happens. Which council would learn more in a year?
    The one that knew less in the first place?
    Again, which would learn more in a year?
    Ya, I ignored the obvious cliche, but guaranteed the ones who had the least life experience.
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    ^And, they'd be even more youngsterish than the youngsters folks don't like already, like the Mayor.

    Can you say skateboard and Pokemon lanes?
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    I don't want to go full curmudgeon here, but I would be more in favor of raising the voting age to 25 than lowering it to 16. Get out in the workforce and start supporting yourself and others. Get a few years experience in watching the deductions on your paycheck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    I'd be OK with lowering all aspects of the legal age of majority (including being charged as an adult in the case of crimes) to 16.
    Would that include the age at which parents are no longer legally liable (or however that works) for a child?
    Yes.

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    Consider lowering it to 14, give them a half or 3/4 vote until age 18, and let whoever cares enough to vote, a vote. Few people bother to vote as is so why not open it up to more people willing to do so, regardless of their age?

    Moreover, why do we like this form of discrimination, prejudice and likely unfounded generalizing or profiling when we normally abhor it in most of its other forms? There's loads of intelligent young people out there so why deny those with the capacity and desire to vote the opportunity? If anything, merit rather than age should be the deciding factor, so maybe a simple test on civics could be administered.

    By the way, we are willing to let young people join the military and so potentially die for their country, at age 17.

    Then there's this (see below) and societies view that young women have the mental capacity to potentially become young mothers, before she 18 - but they can't vote.

    Canada's age of consent raised by 2 years - Canada - CBC News
    http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/c...years-1.754941
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
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    I'd be OK with lowering all aspects of the legal age of majority (including being charged as an adult in the case of crimes) to 16.
    Would that include the age at which parents are no longer legally liable (or however that works) for a child?
    Yes.
    I would hope so too. But then that's a big leap, would become a provincial if not federal thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Consider lowering it to 14...

    Moreover, why do we like this form of discrimination, prejudice and likely unfounded generalizing or profiling when we normally abhor it in most of its other forms?
    Why not 12 then? or 10? Or whenever they can mark an 'X'. Heck let 'em drink too! And drive! And sign a lease! And... errrrr no.

    A line has to be drawn somewhere. 18 at least means everyone has had a chance to at least pass through our education system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Consider lowering it to 14...

    Moreover, why do we like this form of discrimination, prejudice and likely unfounded generalizing or profiling when we normally abhor it in most of its other forms?
    Why not 12 then? or 10? Or whenever they can mark an 'X'. Heck let 'em drink too! And drive! And sign a lease! And... errrrr no.

    A line has to be drawn somewhere. 18 at least means everyone has had a chance to at least pass through our education system.
    Draw some of these lines based on parental consent and merit (via testing, assessment, etc) not age discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    I wouldn't allow 16 year old kids to vote. Those kids don't know how to drive properly, they don't own any property, they don't have enough life experiences to make an informed decision on a variety of issues.
    It used to be that only property owners could vote. Why is that still important?



    As for those that can't drive, or can't drive very well, they can take the bus to the polling station.

    ...and many gave life experiences I wouldn't wish on my enemies. Some are cancer survivors, come from broken marriages, have suffered rape and abuse, have lived in the foster care system, etc. In the 1930s my father was in engineering at 15 or 16 and shortly afterward in officer training during WWII. Some young people are very capable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Draw some of these lines based on parental consent and merit (via testing, assessment, etc) not age discrimination.
    Oh lord, that just means bureaucracy. Will you be volunteering to create a dossier on some lad's fitness to vote?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Draw some of these lines based on parental consent and merit (via testing, assessment, etc) not age discrimination.
    Oh lord, that just means bureaucracy. Will you be volunteering to create a dossier on some lad's fitness to vote?
    So it's ok to descriminate if it avoids some costs for accommodation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    Draw some of these lines based on parental consent and merit (via testing, assessment, etc) not age discrimination.
    Oh lord, that just means bureaucracy. Will you be volunteering to create a dossier on some lad's fitness to vote?
    So it's ok to descriminate if it avoids some costs for accommodation?
    Exactly. We don't licence 12-year-olds who are tall enough to reach the pedals, for example. We don' tlicence 14-year-olds to marry, for another.

    If we take every effort to avoid discrimination then we become indiscrimate. Don't you discriminate on a daily basis?
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    There probably wasn't a time in my life when I was more confident in the fact that I knew it all than when I was 16. But what is the saying about how much your dad learned between when you were 18 and 21.

    I don't think the solution to voter apathy is to have ppl vote sooner and that will make them life-long voters. The problem is that ppl get turned off voting regardless of age because gov't is ineffective due to the poor quality of elected officials. Same stuff different pile.

    Bigger question is how do you get good ppl to run for office again, or have political parties that get things done? What's really been done at the federal level in the last 30 years?
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    As this is an Edmonton initiative it might be prudent to look at the school system to find out just how much of the curriculum covers civic duty, democracy, human rights, community building etc. How much a vote could count on very contentious issues. What the rewards and implications are of a vote. Has the C of E looked into how educated 16 year olds are on the democratic process?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    Bigger question is how do you get good ppl to run for office again, or have political parties that get things done?
    But this is a function of the depth of governance isn't it? Do many people participate/vote in your community league? In your condo board? In your athletics club? Your golf/games group? The lower you go in the governance chain the less people vote, barring a large issue. Is lowering the bar to add more bulk voters the answer? If only N% of adult voters vote why do you think that some larger proportion of non-adult voters will?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    Bigger question is how do you get good ppl to run for office again, or have political parties that get things done?
    But this is a function of the depth of governance isn't it? Do many people participate/vote in your community league? In your condo board? In your athletics club? Your golf/games group? The lower you go in the governance chain the less people vote, barring a large issue. Is lowering the bar to add more bulk voters the answer? If only N% of adult voters vote why do you think that some larger proportion of non-adult voters will?

    I'm not in favor of lowering the vote. I don't care if 16 year olds want to vote or not. To be honest I never thought about it that much... I didn't know the city had a youth council. I'm not against a youth council per se but I know politicians are concerned with voter apathy especially in our municipal elections. Probably because it is a indicator that they aren't doing a good enough job or making a difference for ppl to care enough to vote. Its embarrassing, the emperor has no clothes.

    I don't really want to see political parties extended to city council but maybe we could have some kind of slate system, probably the same thing. Seems now in Edmonton the council is ineffective because there is a lack of vision or consensus and big ideas don't occur. Council certainly hasn't found a way for projects to be done properly. Even when Mandel ran largely unopposed he still wanted to debate a vision for the city.

    Hopefully in the next election someone of substance will at least challenge Iveson, because there really wasn't an alternative in the last election. Doesn't matter if every 16 year old and their dog votes in the next election if the only serious candidate for mayor is Iveson that's not good enough and there will be apathy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
    Bigger question is how do you get good ppl to run for office again, or have political parties that get things done?
    But this is a function of the depth of governance isn't it? Do many people participate/vote in your community league? In your condo board? In your athletics club? Your golf/games group? The lower you go in the governance chain the less people vote, barring a large issue. Is lowering the bar to add more bulk voters the answer? If only N% of adult voters vote why do you think that some larger proportion of non-adult voters will?
    I don't think changing the age of majority discussion should centre around increasing the numbers voting. There's an ample population set already available to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    I don't think changing the age of majority discussion should centre around increasing the numbers voting. There's an ample population set already available to vote.
    Then why lower it al all? What's the win?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
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    I don't think changing the age of majority discussion should centre around increasing the numbers voting. There's an ample population set already available to vote.
    Then why lower it al all? What's the win?
    For who? There's no win for me. In fact as I get older I want my aged vote to count more so for that reason I could argue for increasing the voting age because anyone under 30 (or 40) is a *****.

    For everyone under 18 it's a win for them. In a few years it would be a win for my child.


    However, we could look at this from another angle. The old 1700s pre-revolution war cry: "No taxation without representation". Let's stop taxing kids working until they are old enough to vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    I don't think changing the age of majority discussion should centre around increasing the numbers voting. There's an ample population set already available to vote.
    Then why lower it al all? What's the win?
    For who? There's no win for me. In fact as I get older I want my aged vote to count more so for that reason I could argue for increasing the voting age because anyone under 30 (or 40) is a *****.

    For everyone under 18 it's a win for them. In a few years it would be a win for my child.
    What are they really winning though if there isn't anyone of substance to vote for? Can you imagine if you were a 16 yr old in the states and this was your first opportunity to vote in the presidential election? You might as well go in the voter booth and wipe your a**.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
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    I don't think changing the age of majority discussion should centre around increasing the numbers voting. There's an ample population set already available to vote.
    Then why lower it al all? What's the win?
    For who? There's no win for me. In fact as I get older I want my aged vote to count more so for that reason I could argue for increasing the voting age because anyone under 30 (or 40) is a *****.

    For everyone under 18 it's a win for them. In a few years it would be a win for my child.
    What are they really winning though if there isn't anyone of substance to vote for? Can you imagine if you were a 16 yr old in the states and this was your first opportunity to vote in the presidential election? You might as well go in the voter booth and wipe your a**.
    Or you were in Britain and you wanted a say in staying or leaving the EU, because the result would affect you and your future - possibly more so than the 85 yr old's vote.

    Like numbers in voter turnout, the us sue if who you can vote for is another issue not all that related to age of majority.

    Who is available to vote for is very much related to how willing folks like you and I are to step up to the plate and take the risk and do the work verses complain about it but do nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Who is available to vote for is very much related to how willing folks like you and I are to step up to the plate and take the risk and do the work verses complain about it but do nothing.
    I have been involved in various society boards and my condo board and you are right complaining alone never solves anything. But the best politicians are ones that have had a separate successful career before going into politics. That's what I look for in candidates, success in a first career and also a history of community involvement. Nothing turns me off more than a career politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cents View Post
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    Who is available to vote for is very much related to how willing folks like you and I are to step up to the plate and take the risk and do the work verses complain about it but do nothing.
    I have been involved in various society boards and my condo board and you are right complaining alone never solves anything. But the best politicians are ones that have had a separate successful career before going into politics. That's what I look for in candidates, success in a first career and also a history of community involvement. Nothing turns me off more than a career politician.
    That's a bit of a dogmatic approach. Government is very different than the private sector so someone coming along with a successful career but with a very narrow range of issues may not prepare an individual for the vast array of requirements demanded of politicians. Moreover, many of those with successful careers and/or businesses seem to attempt politics when their careers are actually failing, but they are keeping that from the public. That said, the career politicians may have the necessary experience to run the show effectively. Parachute in a novice and they can do a lot of damage in short order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    That's a bit of a dogmatic approach. Government is very different than the private sector so someone coming along with a successful career but with a very narrow range of issues may not prepare an individual for the vast array of requirements demanded of politicians. Moreover, many of those with successful careers and/or businesses seem to attempt politics when their careers are actually failing, but they are keeping that from the public. That said, the career politicians may have the necessary experience to run the show effectively. Parachute in a novice and they can do a lot of damage in short order.
    There are some career politicians who have a passion for public policy and they can be effective for that reason, the exception to the rule.

    But let's look at Iveson, a liberal arts grad who had a couple years in a non profit and then straight into council and now mayor. In theory the council is running a corporation with 12,000 employees and an operating budget of 2 billion. A good councilor would be someone with some corporate experience, at least a department head or VP. Does anyone think the CofE is an efficient well oiled machine? We don't have anyone on council like that.

    Or this move to the new Edmonton tower. This was a once in a decades opportunity for a re-org and reductions in duplication. I'm sure there is 10% of middle management that could be eliminated probably with just retirement or attrition. Maybe that is happening but I haven't heard it. Plus the city uses around 100% of their sick time, this when a lot of ppl have compressed wks. This screams bad corp culture. I would like to see more talk about that. This is surely more important than bike paths.

    The best thing this council has done lately though is they have done some restructuring with the transportation and planning departments. I would like to see more of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    I think the "lack of logic and critical thinking"
    Well, why don't WE try some logic and critical thinking and see where our conjecture can lead us.

    We all know of some exceptionally knowledgeable and/or responsible YP (young people); but these are in the minority and votes are held to determine the will of the majority.

    YP know that money or goods are to be had just by asking.
    YP know that parents are selfish and stupid.
    YP are trained to believe their professional educators.
    Professional educators are manipulated by their union.
    Unions are socialist organisms.
    Our government is a socialist organism.
    Children are inherently socialists, constantly demanding and seldom contributing.

    The younger the voting age the more socialist our governments become.

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    I wouldn't support lowering the age to 16 or 17. Very few people in that age group have any real world experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Government is very different than the private sector so someone coming along with a successful career but with a very narrow range of issues may not prepare an individual for the vast array of requirements demanded of politicians. Moreover, many of those with successful careers and/or businesses seem to attempt politics when their careers are actually failing, but they are keeping that from the public. That said, the career politicians may have the necessary experience to run the show effectively. Parachute in a novice and they can do a lot of damage in short order.
    Government is very different than the private sector. I have worked for both and for the most part I worked a lot harder in the private sector. Generally when you have no competition you don't work as hard. There are exceptions of course but that's my take. With the CofE the tail is wagging the dog. Council needs to grow a pair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danimori View Post
    I remember when I was 16, if I could have voted, I would have voted for whomever my parents said I should.
    Well I was a pretty rebellious teen and I either would have refrained from voting, spoiled my ballot, or voted for whoever I wanted to no matter who my parents told me to vote for.

    I think most 16 year olds are as in tune with politics as the average adult. However, since you have to be 18 in order to hold office, it makes sense to keep 18 as the voting age.

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    Edmonton city council endorses vote at 16 motion.

    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...at-16-proposal

    So I guess now it goes to the Provincial Government for consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Edmonton city council endorses vote at 16 motion.

    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...at-16-proposal

    So I guess now it goes to the Provincial Government for consideration.
    The Province has no obligation to do anything. All this is is the City endorsing the lobbying effort of the EYG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Edmonton city council endorses vote at 16 motion.

    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...at-16-proposal

    So I guess now it goes to the Provincial Government for consideration.
    The Province has no obligation to do anything. All this is is the City endorsing the lobbying effort of the EYG.
    I hope the province handles it in the same way they did with Uber and their demands for no extra insurance and class 5 licenses... No way

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