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    Thread to discuss Edmonton's municipal plans as we progress down the legalization path. Latest article from the Journal here mentions how the city is considering restricting zoning to prevent the proliferation that Vancouver has seen. I agree it should be managed properly, but I hope to see it be privatized like liquor stores so we get choice and entrepreneurial innovation.
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    But drinking liquor near a store doesn’t affect bystanders the same way a cloud of pot smoke would, Nickel said: “As an intoxicant, how are you going to deal with that?”
    If Nickel is worried that people might get intoxicated from walking by places where marijuana is being consumed, I think he can put his mind at ease. I won't say that contact-highs are mythological in the sense that unicorns are mythological, but I'd say they're a pretty rare creature in any case. If it were that easy to get a second-hand stone, you'd have a lot more people just showing up at parties weedless, and just breathing the air to get high. (Though I guess you could eventually end up with a free-rider problem.)

    Plus, he seems to be talking about people walking OUTDOORS, breathing the smoke coming out of a shop. That makes psychoactive impact even less likely.

    That said, I'm still hedging my bets on the posssibility of full legalization of recreational marijuana. I could see the whole thing getting bogged down in inter-jurisdictional squabbles, eg. if it's gonna be sold in liquor stores, a few provinces will say they don't want to do that, and the feds won't be able to force them, etc etc.

    And, if you read his statements carefully, Trudeau says that his goal in legalization is to keep it away from kids(because the black market supposedly makes it more accessible), not to make it easier for stoners to indulge. This gives him the perfect escape hatch if he wants to back down: "Upon further study, we've found that legalization might actually make it easier for kids to get stoned, so..." And then loosen the rules on medical marijuana a bit to give the impression that he's fulilling his promises.

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    That quote stood out to me as well. Either he's woefully informed on the potency of marijuana smoke, or he's fear mongering.

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    That being said, I don't imagine legalization will permit smoking in public anyways, so it's a total non-concern. Just like you can't walk down the street drinking a six pack, nor will you be able to smoke a joint. In Nickel's example, the people consuming both the liquor and the marijuana apparently right outside the door are breaking the law, and would face ticketing or arrest. So what's the big concern in that specific example?

    In general though, I do agree that there will need to be restrictions on where the shops can open, if that's the way legalization goes. Personally, I can't stand how many awful looking liquor stores there are scattered around every nook and cranny. Which is why I think that grocery stores should be able to sell at least a limited selection of beer and wine, as that would put a fair number of the small independents out of business. For pot, I'm not sure what distribution model makes the most sense. It probably doesn't make sense to sell it in liquor stores, for a variety of reasons, but mostly because from a public health perspective it's probably best not to be selling two intoxicants in the same place. I don't think pharmacies should be selling recreation pot for the same reasons they shouldn't be selling booze or tobacco (medicinal makes sense, of course).

    So likely a dispensary model makes the most sense, but they're just so damn tacky. I was on a motorcycle trip through Washington a little over a month ago, and the sheer number of them along the highway through every town was pretty surprising to me. And it seemed like 50% of the billboards I went by were advertising for it as well. I have zero problems with recreational pot use, I just don't want to see a massive proliferation of ugly storefronts similar to what we already have with liquor.
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    I see kids/teens still drinking and smoking tobacco all the time. Legalization won't change much for pot either. I'm all for it though. Silly double standard and missed revenue opportunity for governments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    the sheer number of them along the highway through every town was pretty surprising to me. And it seemed like 50% of the billboards I went by were advertising for it as well. I have zero problems with recreational pot use, I just don't want to see a massive proliferation of ugly storefronts similar to what we already have with liquor.
    I think we're still witnessing this because it's new. Fast forward a few years and I think it will die down, especially as it becomes common. This screams "tourists, smoke weed here!" which won't mean a thing as legalization creeps it's way into the mainstream. I imagine liquor and strippers are the same way in places where it's legal, right next to jurisdictions where it is/was not.
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    Policing will be an issue.

    However, below, you'll see an example of a very poor article. It implies cause and effect without providing any data to show that the accidents were caused by smoking dope. Legalize the stuff and a whole lot more people may then use it, even more will breath it as second hand smoke, so of course, it will be in their blood. ...but at what concentration? I'd assume that they'd know that considering that there were fatalities.

    Note: I would expect more accidents and deaths in some respects and fewer deaths in other respects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    So likely a dispensary model makes the most sense, but they're just so damn tacky.
    The dispensaries I saw in Victoria looked really cool. I didn't know what they were until I asked a guy coming out of one. It just looked like a really cool storefront.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Edmonton did have a dispensary run for 10+ Years providing access to Medical Paients. MACROS - amazing people. But thats a side note. Federally after Legalization the only thing that makes sense is to allow storefront dispensaries.

    As the current model stands LPs (Licensed Producers - companies allowed to grow Medical pot) are NOT allowed to operate storefronts. All Cannabis must be sent through the mail. Also the redtape to become an LP is insane, which is why we dont have a lot more.

    I imagine Trudeau will 'flick the switch' so to say with the LPs and allow them to have storefronts OR allow any Joe Blow operate a storefront but all their product must be purchased through the already established LPs.

    Either way aside from basic zoning regulations I hope we see an abundance of Dispensaries once Legalization happens.
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    Another escape hatch for the Liberals, should they choose to dump their promise...

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    "This legislation is going to be a model for the world. So Canadians want to ensure it's done in the safest way possible. When the new technology for testing drivers is in, we'll be implementing the laws to begin the legalization of weed!"

    In other words, not before the next election.

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    ^oh my, it could be decades before that technology comes... Crazy stuff, because it doesn't stop people using this drug. Just legalize it already, if the US states can, why can't Canada? I'm guessing Trudeau is struggling with because he won't be a good boy scout with the UN anymore then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^oh my, it could be decades before that technology comes... Crazy stuff, because it doesn't stop people using this drug. Just legalize it already, if the US states can, why can't Canada? I'm guessing Trudeau is struggling with because he won't be a good boy scout with the UN anymore then...

    Yeah, legalizing it at the federal level would put us at odds with a bunch of international treaties, which would kind of complicate the Liberal narrative about how virtuous Canada is for always acting multilaterally etc.

    There is a legitimate debate to be had(not that I think we should have it here) about just how detrimental marijuana is to driving; not all drugs have the same impact on spatial perception that alcohol does. And it's arguable that medicines containing opioids(some of which are OTC in Canada) would have a worse effect on driving, yet we seem to be cool with that risk.

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    There is the question of dosing when it comes to marijuana. Basically with alcohol, it takes approx an hour for an average person to fully metabolize one drink (1 bottle of beer, 1 shot of hard liquor, or 1 small glass of wine). Doses of prescription or OTC meds can be rationed easily as well. You cannot accurately ration or measure an active dose absorbed in inhaled smoke (or even second-hand doses).

    For example, someone can have a couple of drinks and know that they need to wait a couple of hours before they can drive. It's a pretty easy formula. But how long does someone have to wait to drive after they smoked some pot? And how do they know how much they have taken? It's not as clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    There is the question of dosing when it comes to marijuana. Basically with alcohol, it takes approx an hour for an average person to fully metabolize one drink (1 bottle of beer, 1 shot of hard liquor, or 1 small glass of wine). Doses of prescription or OTC meds can be rationed easily as well. You cannot accurately ration or measure an active dose absorbed in inhaled smoke (or even second-hand doses).

    For example, someone can have a couple of drinks and know that they need to wait a couple of hours before they can drive. It's a pretty easy formula. But how long does someone have to wait to drive after they smoked some pot? And how do they know how much they have taken? It's not as clear.
    That is a point. Gaseous inhalations and their impact are harder to quantify than their liquid counterparts.

    Though I'd imagine that, if scientists really wanted to, they could give a rating according to weight, which would be more or less accurate for the average person. Whether that would deter the kind of person who is inclinded to drive while debilitatingly stoned is another question.

    I also wonder how the war on tobacco(which I now consider to be a little overblown) is going to fare if the government allows ENTIRE SHOPS to exist for the sole purpose of selling clearly marked bags of weed, while convenience stores are still being required to hide their cigarettes behind curtained cupboards, as if it were hardcore pornography.

    And will weed be covered by future anti-smoking campaigns, or is the scientific consensus that it doesn't harm you the way tobacco does?
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    I noted that their actions are being lauded by the marijuana lobby forces and they suggest that the law will be changed in their favor as an inevitability.

    That assumes a lot. How can anyone predict that the laws will be changed?
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    Actually, I think a lot of people in the "marijuana lobby" are pretty sick of Emery and his antics. Thing is, that "lobby" is a fairly diverse group, from social activists like Emery to large business like Aurora that operate within existing laws and don't want to be associated with someone like Emery. In any case, I think it's a massive waste of police and court resources to go after Emery, even if he's basically begging for it. There are far, far more pressing matters for law enforcement and the courts to concern themselves with, in light of the fact that at some point in the next year or two, recreational marijuana will be legalized.

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    @ PRT, post 16

    Well, the Liberals were elected on a promise of legalization, and are still saying they're gonna do that, with Bill Blair and Anne McLellan hashing out the details.

    But, as I've already said, I'm still hedging my bets. Part of me thinks that the procedure is gonna turn out to be too convoluted and cumbersome to implement, and will at some point be subtly abandoned.

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    I really doubt that. The genie's already out of the bottle, essentially. There is no way they can try to stuff it back in. Although it's going to be hilarious to watch Jeff Sessions attempt to in the US. Well actually, no, probably not hilarious, because it'll likely lead to thousands of lives destroyed or ended unnecessarily in a new crackdown. But hey, it'll make Sessions' masters in the private prison industry happy.

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    Liberals to announce marijuana will be legal by July 1, 2018

    This is something leaked to the CBC, not an official announcement.

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    Looks like Bill Blair is backing away from the CBC's time-line...

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    I thought there was another legal-weed thread somewhere on the forum, but I can't find it. So I'll post this here...

    Medical journal calls for tighter rules on pot

    Not sure how much impact this will have on the government's plans. Medical opinion was kind of used as a rationale for legalization in the first place, so if the Liberals lose the doctors, it might make it kind of awkward for them to proceed under the previous justification. On the other hand, I've long suspected that the medical concerns were just a facade for pandering to recreational users.

    And speaking of all this, aren't the provinces supposed to be coming up with their own regulations, in preparation for next July? Anyone heard what's happening with that?
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    Canada's police services say there is zero chance they will be ready to enforce new laws for legalized pot by next summer.
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    What a load of horsecrap.

    they want the government to reconsider allowing people to grow pot at home, because it will be difficult to police and could make it easier for young people to obtain marijuana.
    We allow homebrewing of alcohol which is immeasurably worse for people & society, but somehow growing weed at home is just tooooo much.

    The police say they also need more time and money to train officers to recognize and handle drug-impaired drivers.
    WTF. Don't they do this now?

    Cops want more time to figure out how they can justify their current budgets & staffing levels in a post-prohibition world & all they're trying to do is stall until they've got their answers ready.
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    ^^How can they be not ready? They're not being asked to enforce more, they're being asked to enforce less.

    ^ I suspect that home-brewed alcohol causes far fewer problems than store-bought, and I suspect that it would be the same for Marijuana. Is "For personal use only" really that hard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    ^ I suspect that home-brewed alcohol causes far fewer problems than store-bought, and I suspect that it would be the same for Marijuana.
    I agree.

    If someone simply wants to get boozed up, it's far easier to buy a bottle of something at the liquor store thank making it at home. It takes a lot of work, care, and patience to bew your own wine or beer. Everyone I know who does it (including myself) do it as a craft and a hobby. I envision it will be similar for people growing their own pot plants vs people who buy pot at a shop.

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    Apparently growing pot isn't even that easy. Keeping a plant alive, maybe, but having it grow properly, cultivating it, and curing it is apparently quite tricky. Trickier than a home brew kit, and takes months to grow.
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    Edmonton Mayor Don Iveson says the city is not looking to make a profit from marijuana sales after pot is legalized on July 1.

    But he said the city wants to make sure costs are covered for extra policing and rezoning for dispensaries, areas the city will be responsible for.

    On Friday, Iveson said municipalities have largely been left out of discussions with the federal and provincial governments.

    "They're sort of carving things up right now, and they say they're mindful of the impacts to municipalities," he said. "But we're not at the table.
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    MLA's comparison of cannabis to communism taken out of context, UCP says

    Actually, the headline is somewhat inaccurate; he didn't compare cannabis to Communism, he compared it to opium, which he says "contributed to the Chinese Cultural Revolution".

    Contrary to the UCP, his comments in context don't sound any better. It's true that the British campaign to keep opium sales afloat in China contributed to the Opium Wars, but the last of those wars ended in 1860, and the Communists didn't take over until 1949. Even if those wars had a long-term reverberation into the 20th Century, that probably would have been true of any humiliating defeats China suffered, drug-related or otherwise.

    And linking it to the Cultural Revolution is even more of a stretch, since that didn't get going until 1966, and had nothing to do with opium.

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    Young children can't resist tide pods, I'm hoping they can resist baked goods with pot! And growing it at home? Stupid.

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    Stupid are those that still believe in the fallacy of refer madness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Young children can't resist tide pods, I'm hoping they can resist baked goods with pot! And growing it at home? Stupid.
    Well, I guess that just as we can use common sense in the storage of laundry detergent, alcohol, toothpaste and other substances that taken in large or even ANY quantities can harm kids, we can probably use common sense in the storage of marijuana edibles too.

    Though I do like the idea of commercially sold edibles being manufactured to look not like something enticing to kids. I believe this was proposed in Colorado a while back, not sure what happened there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Young children can't resist tide pods, I'm hoping they can resist baked goods with pot! And growing it at home? Stupid.
    Well, I guess that just as we can use common sense in the storage of laundry detergent, alcohol, toothpaste and other substances that taken in large or even ANY quantities can harm kids, we can probably use common sense in the storage of marijuana edibles too.

    Though I do like the idea of commercially sold edibles being manufactured to look not like something enticing to kids. I believe this was proposed in Colorado a while back, not sure what happened there.
    Colorado followed through, not sure how it is now though..I;m going to wait and see if there is harm to animals and small children, I damn well hope there isn't, including second had stink

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    Legal marijuana deadline may be up in smoke as Tory senators stall bills

    If the Conservatives kill legalization or even just push it past the deadline, I could see that really making them unpopular, at least with part of the electorate.

    Apparently, JT's disbanding of the Senate Liberals might make it hard for him to counter the Conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    ^^How can they be not ready? They're not being asked to enforce more, they're being asked to enforce less.

    ^ I suspect that home-brewed alcohol causes far fewer problems than store-bought, and I suspect that it would be the same for Marijuana. Is "For personal use only" really that hard?
    I used to homebrew Beer, Cider, Wine. I can't agree that its never a problem. I noted consumption notching up. The wanting to try out stuff and have other people try it gets you in a bit more of a drinking habit. I don't typically drink a lot, but I was drinking considerably more when I was brewing large quantities. You almost have to. As a brewer you try out batches regularly and often have two brews running at once just out of the interest in the habit. Even with kits its a trail and error process and as with anything you want to get better at it. so all of a sudden you have this horde of alcohol products.. Didn't sell the stuff but personal use will increase consumption, and therefore be an issue of some sort, one way or the other.

    Aside from discipline, which I generally have, its fairly inate to consume more if you have more.
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    ^ If weed is legally available, whether at stores or from your home, logic dictates that consumption will go up.

    The counterargument is that people who want to smoke weed already know where to get it, so are currently buying it in the same quantity that they'll be buying it post-legalization. But this fails to consider that most people with upwardly-mobile aspirations don't wanna be going from one headbangers' apartment to another trying to find a dealer, or lingering around the parking lots of suburban strip-mall pubs hoping no one from their bridge club drives by and sees them. Having to do stuff like that probably deters a certain number of people, especially with a self-image as middle class and respectable, of indulging in weed as frequently as they would like to. Not many doctors, lawyers, or teachers want to end up like this guy.

    Not that I have any real problem with increased consumption, just that it's naive to imagine that that isn't going to happen.
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    Hilarious that you think that weed dealers are headbangers dealing in a parking lot & not the exact same people with upwardly-mobile aspirations as their clientele, or that it's some sort of challenge to get/find pot in the digital age.

    One too many Afterschool Specials methinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Hilarious that you think that weed dealers are headbangers dealing in a parking lot & not the exact same people with upwardly-mobile aspirations as their clientele, or that it's some sort of challenge to get/find pot in the digital age.

    One too many Afterschool Specials methinks.
    Without going into too much personal detail, I will say that my impressions of the marijuana market are based on something a little more empirical than watching Afterschool specials.

    And it is quite possible for someone to have upwardly mobile aspirations, while still existing in the kind of milieu that would have a stigma attached by most of society. Back in pre-internet days, the people who ran porn shops were probably as upwardly mobile, in terms of wanting to make money and succeed in their endeavours, as people who ran banks. But if a bank manager wanted to buy porn, he likely wouldn't just head to the porn shop across the street in broad daylight on his lunch break. It was still something that he would not want most of his employees or customers to see him doing.

    And with weed, toss in the fact that, unlike porn, it's illegal, and in many places, you can still get arrested for it. Given that the police in Canada were raiding supposedly established marijuana dispensaries as recently as last year, I would doubt that people buying and selling on the street were totally immune from arrest.

    Point taken that the digital age might have made it easier to access marijuana, but don't you still have to go over to the dealers' house, or meet him in a bar etc, to retrieve your purchase. And are street deals totally a thing of the past now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    Without going into too much personal detail, I will say that my impressions of the marijuana market are based on something a little more empirical than watching Afterschool specials.
    If "your friend" still uses sketchy hookups, that's on them. The market moved on over a decade ago for the more progressively-minded & technically aware.

    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    And it is quite possible for someone to have upwardly mobile aspirations, while still existing in the kind of milieu that would have a stigma attached by most of society. Back in pre-internet days, the people who ran porn shops were probably as upwardly mobile, in terms of wanting to make money and succeed in their endeavours, as people who ran banks. But if a bank manager wanted to buy porn, he likely wouldn't just head to the porn shop across the street in broad daylight on his lunch break. It was still something that he would not want most of his employees or customers to see him doing.
    The pearl-clutching, moralistic North American hangup regarding sex & porn is yet another societal norm that's rapidly changed over the last 10 years. Turns out, almost everyone f*cks & enjoys it, so why the hangups?

    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    And with weed, toss in the fact that, unlike porn, it's illegal, and in many places, you can still get arrested for it. Given that the police in Canada were raiding supposedly established marijuana dispensaries as recently as last year, I would doubt that people buying and selling on the street were totally immune from arrest.
    Getting arrested for weed in 2017 in Canada is either a) dispensaries in the gray area of the law b) distribution-level possession or c) tacked on with a bunch of other charges because someone had it on them whilst robbing a house or smacking their girlfriend around or jaywalking or whatnot. Simple personal possession is something you'd have to try to get arrested for on its own (for good reason)

    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    Point taken that the digital age might have made it easier to access marijuana, but don't you still have to go over to the dealers' house, or meet him in a bar etc, to retrieve your purchase. And are street deals totally a thing of the past now?
    No, you get it in the mail, in a discrete package. Kinda like porn. Or, soon, at a storefront like a 6er of Black Label.
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    QUOTE: "The pearl-clutching, moralistic North American hangup regarding sex & porn is yet another societal norm that's rapidly changed over the last 10 years. Turns out, almost everyone f*cks & enjoys it, so why the hangups?"

    That probably proves my point, because the tolerance for pornography likely increased because of the internet, which made it easier for people to access the material without running the risk of public shame. So once the deterrernt was taken away, people started accesing it more and general tolerance increased. (In the case of weed, the deterent was law enforcement, not public shaming, but the effects would liklely be the same.)

    QUOTE: If "your friend" still uses sketchy hookups, that's on them. The market moved on over a decade ago for the more progressively-minded & technically aware.

    Yes, but to the extent that the less tech-saavy are still buying and consuming in sketchy venues of wavering accessability, their consumption will probably increase if they can start buying it as easily as they buy booze, all the time.

    But hey. I have been out of the country for the period of time when this supposed pot revolution was taking place. Is it really the case that everyone who wanta weed can now get it as easily as buying anything else, and with no risk of arrest or forays into socially stigmatized milieus? If so, I guess there might not be any increase in usage at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    ^ If weed is legally available, whether at stores or from your home, logic dictates that consumption will go up.

    The counterargument is that people who want to smoke weed already know where to get it, so are currently buying it in the same quantity that they'll be buying it post-legalization. But this fails to consider that most people with upwardly-mobile aspirations don't wanna be going from one headbangers' apartment to another trying to find a dealer, or lingering around the parking lots of suburban strip-mall pubs hoping no one from their bridge club drives by and sees them. Having to do stuff like that probably deters a certain number of people, especially with a self-image as middle class and respectable, of indulging in weed as frequently as they would like to. Not many doctors, lawyers, or teachers want to end up like this guy.

    Not that I have any real problem with increased consumption, just that it's naive to imagine that that isn't going to happen.
    The more considerable impediment that people have had concern with is that the pot is stepped on with something, and often has been, or that you're getting poor quality, ripped off etc. Those would be the main concerns buying illicit substances and the vast majority of weed these days would be home delivered if wanted. So that theres no inconvenience other than someone knocking at your door or meeting you somewhere or simply as mail delivered weed of the week club stuff. No more complicated than ordering a pizza really. You could get the person to pick that up as well on the way as a cover if you trusted him/her not to start eating it on the way... This just my own knowledge from acquaintances that do buy regularly. I think they've even got the KFC special as well..15 pieces, buns, fries, gravy, coleslaw, and a dime bag.
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    Just like this: https://herbapproach.com 3-day delivery by mail, oenophile-like descriptions, good prices, Specials, and a points program. No medical cert needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Just like this: https://herbapproach.com 3-day delivery by mail, oenophile-like descriptions, good prices, Specials, and a points program. No medical cert needed.
    Keeping in mind this wide open degree of domestic delivery is somewhat new in Canada. Wasn't long ago that Emery was continually getting busted just for moving seeds, and busted for storefront business. I tend to think the proliferation of this now is just that in view of impending legalization that scrutiny about sales has decreased at this time. Places from Vancouver to Toronto though have often been busted and stuff confiscated etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Just like this: https://herbapproach.com 3-day delivery by mail, oenophile-like descriptions, good prices, Specials, and a points program. No medical cert needed.
    So, if Herbapproach is available to ANYONE WHO WANTS it, and at ANY TIME THEY FEEL LIKE IT, why do people care so much about legalization?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Just like this: https://herbapproach.com 3-day delivery by mail, oenophile-like descriptions, good prices, Specials, and a points program. No medical cert needed.
    Keeping in mind this wide open degree of domestic delivery is somewhat new in Canada. Wasn't long ago that Emery was continually getting busted just for moving seeds, and busted for storefront business. I tend to think the proliferation of this now is just that in view of impending legalization that scrutiny about sales has decreased at this time. Places from Vancouver to Toronto though have often been busted and stuff confiscated etc.
    According to CBC, in 2014 there were 24, 540 people charged with marijuana offenses(presumably of all types) in Canada. And from 2008 to 2012, there were 58, 938 possession cases in the courts.

    That's all pre-Trudeau, but still, knowing that history, and seeing that raids continued post-2015, if I were living in Canada in 2017, and, say, for example, I had a job that required a criminal record check, or even just a job where getting arrested would carry a lot of stigma(eg. teacher), I don't think I'd be saying to myself "You know, I really feel like getting back into toking again. Think I'll send my address to this website where they deliver it to your door. Heck, the cops in my town have promised they won't be busting anyone anymore, and they're always good for their word, aren't they?"

    And yes, I realize that there are lots of people who WOULD say that, just that the number of people who wouldn't is probably significant enough for there to be a noticable uptick in usage if the government makes legalization official and binding forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Just like this: https://herbapproach.com 3-day delivery by mail, oenophile-like descriptions, good prices, Specials, and a points program. No medical cert needed.
    So, if Herbapproach is available to ANYONE WHO WANTS it, and at ANY TIME THEY FEEL LIKE IT, why do people care so much about legalization?
    As I posted above agents like this have crept up what with the impending birth of legalization. Nothing would be so out in the open like this even as little as a couple years ago online. You could get other stuff, synthetics and various hallucinogens but odd to see actual pot distribution online in Canada with no requirement of medical certificates

    So new agents like this are a response to impending legalization, and would not otherwise be doing business so openly. As I stated Mark Emery, the prince of pot in Canada has been busted so much he/s been in jail more than not..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Just like this: https://herbapproach.com 3-day delivery by mail, oenophile-like descriptions, good prices, Specials, and a points program. No medical cert needed.
    So, if Herbapproach is available to ANYONE WHO WANTS it, and at ANY TIME THEY FEEL LIKE IT, why do people care so much about legalization?
    As I posted above agents like this have crept up what with the impending birth of legalization. Nothing would be so out in the open like this even as little as a couple years ago online. You could get other stuff, synthetics and various hallucinogens but odd to see actual pot distribution online in Canada with no requirement of medical certificates

    So new agents like this are a response to impending legalization, and would not otherwise be doing business so openly. As I stated Mark Emery, the prince of pot in Canada has been busted so much he/s been in jail more than not..
    Right. And my point is, for some people, until they see that full legalization has gone through, they're not gonna send their address to a drug-dealing website, that is still technically breaking the law if they sell non-prescription, under the assumption that the police are gonna be a bunch of nice guys and not raid their offices and grab their mailing list.

    Perosnally, I hate doing any sort of financial transactions on-line, and avoid it as much as possible. Never mind buying something from criminals who are operating at the tender mercy of the police, selling a product that can still net users a criminal-record, if not outright jailtime.

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    I agree ftr with everything you have stated in the thread. My first wonder about the cited herbapproach online vending was whether it was an entrapment scam. Enter in name and address and police will be by promptly with your package of monogrammed handcuffs for you...

    Yeah, and lets enter all our payment information on a site that is operating illegally. yeah, I got reservations about that as well.

    In this day and age people check something like Equifax to see if they`ve been scammed and they get identity theft scammed... I don`t trust **** on the internet in general. I`ll make purchases online only if I can`t buy it any other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post

    So, if Herbapproach is available to ANYONE WHO WANTS it, and at ANY TIME THEY FEEL LIKE IT, why do people care so much about legalization?
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    You guys are so out of the loop. Online Dispensaries like you mentioned above exist by the hundreds in Canada. No questions asked, you send the cash they send the product. When one is shut down 10 open up. But it is very difficult for these guys to be caught. Until the Legalization model actual takes a series approach to tackling the black Market (lowering restrictions on becoming LPs, allowing home growers to retail, lowering taxation rate - $1 a gram is laughable) the Black Market will continue to flourish.

    Methinks this is actually done on purpose. That there is no actually intent to fully 'Legalize' Cannabis, rather criminalize every element of it which isnt controlled by the LPs to fill up the prisons. Under 'Legalization' there are more possession and distribution offenses than ever before which much longer sentences than precedent set during Prohibition.
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    ^I don't really agree, the legal weed you can buy now is quality stuff, high THC, and has proven popular. If the price is reasonable (I think it is), and the quality consistent, the black market will struggle to compete.

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    I have to disagree. The current LP / 'Legal Weed' is about Twice the cost of any Black Market product.

    90% of Black Market product match the quality, the consistency of any LP supplied product. (You gotta think, technically every dispensary distributes 'Black Market' Cannabis and their product is A+ and customers are readily available)

    Add to this many LPs getting caught using illegal / banned pesticides, the trust in "Legal Weed' isnt there from the average 'stoner'.
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    So explain why stoners would trust "illegal weed" from criminal operations more than they would trust licenced and certified weed? other than that they are stoned..

    Next, please explain why anybody should want to support illegal industry more than licenced industry?


    Its like crying for prohibition to come back..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    So explain why stoners would trust "illegal weed" from criminal operations more than they would trust licenced and certified weed? other than that they are stoned..
    You're assuming that said stoner views the legal certification at or above the same level of reliability & credibility as their current source, and given how the government was still gripped by REEEFER MAAADDDDNESSSS even a half decade ago it's understandable that there may be a bit of a credibility gap there.
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    ^I think the experience in Colarado shows the black market will struggle. It won't disappear (anymore than the cigarette black market has), but it will lose a lot of business.

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