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    This deserves its own thread.
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    i think this is the link you missed?

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...-tax-1.3880911

    if so, let me be the first to add my comments...

    This might be taking place "in" Alberta but it is not "my" Alberta. My Alberta is one that will let me continue to see the province's Premier shopping with her daughter on a Sunday afternoon and being able to enjoy the same undisturbed freedom to do so as the rest of Albertans. Do I agree with all of her politics or her party's politics. Far from it. But she - and they to their credit - have done some things well and no-one can convince me that she - or they - love this province any less than I do. Alexander wants to lead the Federal Conservatives in the next election hoping to become the next Prime Minister? If his response to what happened here is a test, he failed miserably. To say afterwards he "felt uncomfortable" but not uncomfortable enough to stand up when he had the opportunity and state what's right and what's not isn't leadership, it's pandering. And it's not any more welcome in my Canada than it is in my Alberta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    This might be taking place "in" Alberta but it is not "my" Alberta. My Alberta is one that will let me continue to see the province's Premier shopping with her daughter on a Sunday afternoon and being able to enjoy the same undisturbed freedom to do so as the rest of Albertans. Do I agree with all of her politics or her party's politics. Far from it. But she - and they to their credit - have done some things well and no-one can convince me that she - or they - love this province any less than I do. Alexander wants to lead the Federal Conservatives in the next election hoping to become the next Prime Minister? If his response to what happened here is a test, he failed miserably. To say afterwards he "felt uncomfortable" but not uncomfortable enough to stand up when he had the opportunity and state what's right and what's not isn't leadership, it's pandering. And it's not any more welcome in my Canada than it is in my Alberta.
    You have been loudly on record as a Conservative. You should renounce your Conservatism. Only then your statement will be as believable to others as it is without a doubt heartfelt to you.

    That this incident happened is no surprise. It exposes Conservatives for what they are -- impolitely. I'll stop there, for once.

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    Ahem, have people suddenly forgotten about Freedom of Expression in Canada. It's not like these people were trashing the place, overturning cars or burning effigies of Notley.
    Offending people is not a crime. What about Elizabeth May threatening to break the law and wanting to go to jail ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    This might be taking place "in" Alberta but it is not "my" Alberta. My Alberta is one that will let me continue to see the province's Premier shopping with her daughter on a Sunday afternoon and being able to enjoy the same undisturbed freedom to do so as the rest of Albertans. Do I agree with all of her politics or her party's politics. Far from it. But she - and they to their credit - have done some things well and no-one can convince me that she - or they - love this province any less than I do. Alexander wants to lead the Federal Conservatives in the next election hoping to become the next Prime Minister? If his response to what happened here is a test, he failed miserably. To say afterwards he "felt uncomfortable" but not uncomfortable enough to stand up when he had the opportunity and state what's right and what's not isn't leadership, it's pandering. And it's not any more welcome in my Canada than it is in my Alberta.
    You have been loudly on record as a Conservative. You should renounce your Conservatism. Only then your statement will be as believable to others as it is without a doubt heartfelt to you.

    That this incident happened is no surprise. It exposes Conservatives for what they are -- impolitely. I'll stop there, for once.
    conservatives are not clones and i am as free to disagree with one or more of them and their ideas as a conservative as i am to disagree with you when you are wrong. and that's about as far as I can go politely without moving from a comment on a post to a comment on the poster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    This might be taking place "in" Alberta but it is not "my" Alberta. My Alberta is one that will let me continue to see the province's Premier shopping with her daughter on a Sunday afternoon and being able to enjoy the same undisturbed freedom to do so as the rest of Albertans. Do I agree with all of her politics or her party's politics. Far from it. But she - and they to their credit - have done some things well and no-one can convince me that she - or they - love this province any less than I do. Alexander wants to lead the Federal Conservatives in the next election hoping to become the next Prime Minister? If his response to what happened here is a test, he failed miserably. To say afterwards he "felt uncomfortable" but not uncomfortable enough to stand up when he had the opportunity and state what's right and what's not isn't leadership, it's pandering. And it's not any more welcome in my Canada than it is in my Alberta.
    You have been loudly on record as a Conservative. You should renounce your Conservatism. Only then your statement will be as believable to others as it is without a doubt heartfelt to you.

    That this incident happened is no surprise. It exposes Conservatives for what they are -- impolitely. I'll stop there, for once.
    conservatives are not clones and i am as free to disagree with one or more of them and their ideas as a conservative as i am to disagree with you when you are wrong. and that's about as far as I can go politely without moving from a comment on a post to a comment on the poster.
    Your beliefs about individualism are greatly at odds with a lot of other people's beliefs in that those other people believe some single characteristic, belief or membership carries with it a whole host of other associated characteristics (aka various predudices, labels and boxes).

    As for you reserving the the right to disagree with someone when they "are wrong", well, I also reserve the right to disagree with someone when they are right, as odds are that in some cases I am likely to be wrong - but believe I am right (or we are both wrong).
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    I was surprised when I heard people chanting that. Must have been a few Yahoo's in the crowd. Sure they have every right to protest and rally over the government but usually Canadians are not so 'in your face'. I'm not a NDP fan provincially or federally but I do like Rachel Notley even if I don't like every thing she stands for.
    Thus far into her premiership (and before) I see nothing that warrants people hollering for her to be locked up. Of course one could say it was a mob mentality that got that chant going. They should have been told to smarten up and quit the drama.
    I have conversed with the worst kind of hectoring, bully pulpit smart-a**e*; dripping with virtuous self-aggrandizing sanctimony.................. and that's just on this forum.

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    What exactly could she be locked up over anyways?

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    Well the mob do not like her Carbon Tax policy so they figure she should be in jail. Man if politicians went to jail for things the public did not like they all would be in there.
    I have conversed with the worst kind of hectoring, bully pulpit smart-a**e*; dripping with virtuous self-aggrandizing sanctimony.................. and that's just on this forum.

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    20 kooks show up and say something stupid and CBC says "Albertans chant 'bla bla bla.'"

    Probably the poli sci turd patrol.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    20 kooks show up and say something stupid and CBC says "Albertans chant 'bla bla bla.'"
    Yeah, that was the same thing in another candidate selection process a couple of years ago. Then look what happened. The kooks end up in power.



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    Mr Flynn jr also retweeted “confirmation” from Mr Posobiec that Welch, the gunman who stormed the restaurant, was an actor.
    Now they doubled down on the conspiracy theory, stating that the gunman was an actor working for Clinton. It does not get more NUTS than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    This might be taking place "in" Alberta but it is not "my" Alberta. My Alberta is one that will let me continue to see the province's Premier shopping with her daughter on a Sunday afternoon and being able to enjoy the same undisturbed freedom to do so as the rest of Albertans. Do I agree with all of her politics or her party's politics. Far from it. But she - and they to their credit - have done some things well and no-one can convince me that she - or they - love this province any less than I do. Alexander wants to lead the Federal Conservatives in the next election hoping to become the next Prime Minister? If his response to what happened here is a test, he failed miserably. To say afterwards he "felt uncomfortable" but not uncomfortable enough to stand up when he had the opportunity and state what's right and what's not isn't leadership, it's pandering. And it's not any more welcome in my Canada than it is in my Alberta.
    You have been loudly on record as a Conservative. You should renounce your Conservatism. Only then your statement will be as believable to others as it is without a doubt heartfelt to you.

    That this incident happened is no surprise. It exposes Conservatives for what they are -- impolitely. I'll stop there, for once.
    The problem here isn't conservatism but extremism and can infect any ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    You have been loudly on record as a Conservative. You should renounce your Conservatism. Only then your statement will be as believable to others as it is without a doubt heartfelt to you.
    That's about the same logic as saying everyone in Edmonton is a racist, because of that racial abuse from an auto when that guy was filming. Lincoln was a Republican / Conservative - do you think he was evil? There is nothing evil in believing in individual rights / freedom, and rewarding achievement as opposed to socialist hand out entitlement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    I think this reflects poorly on WR, its a shame, I think a lot of the parties policies are right, but they attract the nut crowd, and for that reason, will probably never gain power.
    Recent history suggests attracting the nut crowd doesn't preclude gaining power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    You have been loudly on record as a Conservative. You should renounce your Conservatism. Only then your statement will be as believable to others as it is without a doubt heartfelt to you.
    That's about the same logic as saying everyone in Edmonton is a racist, because of that racial abuse from an auto when that guy was filming. Lincoln was a Republican / Conservative - do you think he was evil? There is nothing evil in believing in individual rights / freedom, and rewarding achievement as opposed to socialist hand out entitlement.
    Exactly. People have a hard time seeing individuals as what they are: individuals.

    Instead some people feel a compulsion (or is it a mental condition?) to try to put people into their own minds' preconceived little boxes.

    The same "type of people"* figure all Muslims should be out there actively disavowing the terrorist acts of other Muslims, as if the two are always one and the same. Or if a refugee happens to come from a majority Muslim country experiencing violence, the everyone from that country is highly likely to be a threat. Bizzare isn't it.

    As for Lincoln, he saw fit to pursue a course of action that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, many who would have been innocent victims of the violence and terrorism that goes with battles. These sacrificial lambs in the name of progress might see their own deaths as unwarranted no matter how "good" the cause. Reconciling the deaths of real, living people (other people) in the name of ideological gains to determine a net benefit or net loss is always done by the survivors. Even though his subsequent emancipation agenda should be praised, his motivations to do so have been questioned. My view is that war monges and revolutionaries (Castro too) don't mind a few innocent people dying for their cause.






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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Exactly. People have a hard time seeing individuals as what they are: individuals.
    A mob chanting for judicial violence is not a bunch of individuals. It is an extremist mob.

    Any politician who counts on the votes of the mob while pretending to disagree with it is just trying to lead the mob.

    Conservatism has become a mob. It has lost whatever non-extremism it has ever had. It is underpinned by the mob: without the mob it is politically nothing.

    Any voter who votes for a mob party because of some principles or because of disagreement with other platforms on offer joins the mob. That voter makes himself into an extremist.

    All the rest is endless words for the sake of sounding clever. In two syllables, bullshіt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Exactly. People have a hard time seeing individuals as what they are: individuals.
    A mob chanting for judicial values is not a bunch of individuals. It is a mob.

    Any politician who counts on the votes of the mob while pretending to disagree with it is just trying to lead the mob.

    Conservatism has become a mob. It has lost whatever non-extremism it has ever had.

    Any voter who votes for a mob party because of some principles or because of disagreement with other platforms on offer joins the mob. That voter makes himself into an extremist.

    All the rest is endless words for the sake of sounding clever. In two syllables, bullshіt.
    You see life in very simplistic terms. Good for you, if it makes you happy. Not so good for you if you see the world as an "us vs them" or "if you're not fer us then you're agin us" world. Those simplistic views often just lead to an unhappy life.


    They came from all parts of the province to gather for a protest. So obviously they are motivated to seek out like minded people in the belief that they can trigger change. However, like minded people aren't exactly identically minded people. Some of the chanters would have been doing so out of the humour in it. Others, the fanatically minded, would have had essentially 'treasonous' desires.
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    KC, you spin words for the sake of spinning words. As our last exchange over environmental awareness proved, you are unable or unwilling to answer a simple question clearly. You can continue to spin whatever web of ratiocination you wish, but you only sound clever to yourself and others like you.

    As for me, I could not care less whether I sound simplistic or otherwise.

    One last thing: treating the world as us versus them is exactly what the lock-her-up mob does. By tolerating, excusing, minimizing or individualizing what it does, you become a part of it. Congratulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    KC, you spin words for the sake of spinning words. As our last exchange over environmental awareness proved, you are unable or unwilling to answer a simple question clearly. You can continue to spin whatever web of ratiocination you wish, but you only sound clever to yourself and others like you.

    As for me, I could not care less whether I sound simplistic or otherwise.

    One last thing: treating the world as us versus them is exactly what the lock-her-up mob does. By tolerating, excusing, minimizing or individualizing what it does, you become a part of it. Congratulations.
    Ok, you like short. Then re-read what you yourself just stated - and start thinking before you write.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter
    That's about the same logic as saying everyone in Edmonton is a racist, because of that racial abuse from an auto when that guy was filming. Lincoln was a Republican / Conservative - do you think he was evil? There is nothing evil in believing in individual rights / freedom, and rewarding achievement as opposed to socialist hand out entitlement.


    Lincoln and the Republican party of his time were absolutely not conservatives. Parties change over time, even in the US. Lincoln himself was actually a Whig for most of his political career. Claiming he was "conservative" just because there's an R beside his name completely ignores his actual legacy and policies, not to mention the alignment of political parties in the US at the time. The Republican and Democratic parties were on the opposite side of the spectrum that they sit on today. The Republican party at the time was largely based in the urban, industrial North while the Democratic party was largely based in the slave owning, rural/agricultural South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    What exactly could she be locked up over anyways?
    Treason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Well the mob do not like her Carbon Tax policy so they figure she should be in jail. Man if politicians went to jail for things the public did not like they all would be in there.
    Well Top_Dawg figgers that would be a magnificent start.

    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post

    if so, let me be the first to add my comments...

    This might be taking place "in" Alberta but it is not "my" Alberta. My Alberta is one that will let me continue to see the province's Premier shopping with her daughter on a Sunday afternoon and being able to enjoy the same undisturbed freedom to do so as the rest of Albertans. Do I agree with all of her politics or her party's politics. Far from it. But she - and they to their credit - have done some things well and no-one can convince me that she - or they - love this province any less than I do. Alexander wants to lead the Federal Conservatives in the next election hoping to become the next Prime Minister? If his response to what happened here is a test, he failed miserably. To say afterwards he "felt uncomfortable" but not uncomfortable enough to stand up when he had the opportunity and state what's right and what's not isn't leadership, it's pandering. And it's not any more welcome in my Canada than it is in my Alberta.


    My, My.

    Such entitlement.


    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    20 kooks show up and say something stupid and CBC says "Albertans chant 'bla bla bla.'"

    Probably the poli sci turd patrol.
    Yeah, Top_Dawg's got to go along with that.

    A handful of protesters chant ' lock her up '.

    For how long ?

    A minute ?

    This is largely media stoked outrage by CBC and Postmedia.

    Then of course the usual ND scarecrows, frumpy hens, and magpies immediately pile on with their over the top moral umbrage.

    Oh yeah, and Mason.

    Where's ol' wingnut McKay to pour a pitcher of water over his ugly head.

    Get him to chill a li'l.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter
    That's about the same logic as saying everyone in Edmonton is a racist, because of that racial abuse from an auto when that guy was filming. Lincoln was a Republican / Conservative - do you think he was evil? There is nothing evil in believing in individual rights / freedom, and rewarding achievement as opposed to socialist hand out entitlement.


    Lincoln and the Republican party of his time were absolutely not conservatives. Parties change over time, even in the US. Lincoln himself was actually a Whig for most of his political career. Claiming he was "conservative" just because there's an R beside his name completely ignores his actual legacy and policies, not to mention the alignment of political parties in the US at the time. The Republican and Democratic parties were on the opposite side of the spectrum that they sit on today. The Republican party at the time was largely based in the urban, industrial North while the Democratic party was largely based in the slave owning, rural/agricultural South.
    I think it's cute that moa in defence of his view of conservativism, appears see socialism as handouts and possibly even evil. Or did I misunderstand that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    What exactly could she be locked up over anyways?
    Treason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Well the mob do not like her Carbon Tax policy so they figure she should be in jail. Man if politicians went to jail for things the public did not like they all would be in there.
    Well Top_Dawg figgers that would be a magnificent start.

    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post

    if so, let me be the first to add my comments...

    This might be taking place "in" Alberta but it is not "my" Alberta. My Alberta is one that will let me continue to see the province's Premier shopping with her daughter on a Sunday afternoon and being able to enjoy the same undisturbed freedom to do so as the rest of Albertans. Do I agree with all of her politics or her party's politics. Far from it. But she - and they to their credit - have done some things well and no-one can convince me that she - or they - love this province any less than I do. Alexander wants to lead the Federal Conservatives in the next election hoping to become the next Prime Minister? If his response to what happened here is a test, he failed miserably. To say afterwards he "felt uncomfortable" but not uncomfortable enough to stand up when he had the opportunity and state what's right and what's not isn't leadership, it's pandering. And it's not any more welcome in my Canada than it is in my Alberta.


    My, My.

    Such entitlement.


    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    20 kooks show up and say something stupid and CBC says "Albertans chant 'bla bla bla.'"

    Probably the poli sci turd patrol.
    Yeah, Top_Dawg's got to go along with that.

    A handful of protesters chant ' lock her up '.

    For how long ?

    A minute ?

    This is largely media stoked outrage by CBC and Postmedia.

    Then of course the usual ND scarecrows, frumpy hens, and magpies immediately pile on with their over the top moral umbrage.

    Oh yeah, and Mason.

    Where's ol' wingnut McKay to pour a pitcher of water over his ugly head.

    Get him to chill a li'l.
    Hilarious. Thanks!

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    If I was at the meeting and they started these Trump style chants, I would have walked out immediately and not returned.

    Somebody in charge should have told the crowd off. What is next, Hitler style salutes like what is happening in the US?

    Dallas native Richard Spencer, a self-professed founder of the "alt right" movement, will speak at the College Station campus at the invitation of a white nationalist and former student who has been hosting events at the university for years. Spencer drew national headlines after his call to "Hail Trump!" elicited Nazi salutes from a crowd of white nationalists at a conference last month in Washington.
    The term "alt right" has no single accepted meaning but has been used by those who believe in white supremacy or white separatism. "Alt right" individuals and groups tend to be anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic and anti-feminist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    If I was at the meeting and they started these Trump style chants, I would have walked out immediately and not returned.

    Somebody in charge should have told the crowd off. What is next, Hitler style salutes like what is happening in the US?

    Dallas native Richard Spencer, a self-professed founder of the "alt right" movement, will speak at the College Station campus at the invitation of a white nationalist and former student who has been hosting events at the university for years. Spencer drew national headlines after his call to "Hail Trump!" elicited Nazi salutes from a crowd of white nationalists at a conference last month in Washington.
    The term "alt right" has no single accepted meaning but has been used by those who believe in white supremacy or white separatism. "Alt right" individuals and groups tend to be anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic and anti-feminist.
    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/highe...ping-professor
    You might have walked out and others might have joined the chanting, laughing all the way. Some things depend on your sense of humour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    What exactly could she be locked up over anyways?
    Treason.
    You just broke my irony meter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    If I was at the meeting and they started these Trump style chants, I would have walked out immediately and not returned.

    Somebody in charge should have told the crowd off. What is next, Hitler style salutes like what is happening in the US?

    Dallas native Richard Spencer, a self-professed founder of the "alt right" movement, will speak at the College Station campus at the invitation of a white nationalist and former student who has been hosting events at the university for years. Spencer drew national headlines after his call to "Hail Trump!" elicited Nazi salutes from a crowd of white nationalists at a conference last month in Washington.
    The term "alt right" has no single accepted meaning but has been used by those who believe in white supremacy or white separatism. "Alt right" individuals and groups tend to be anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic and anti-feminist.
    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/highe...ping-professor
    You might have walked out and others might have joined the chanting, laughing all the way. Somethings depend on your sense of humour.
    I would describe it as more pathetic than humorous. It seems to be the way these people gain power - they aren't taken seriously until it is too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    What exactly could she be locked up over anyways?
    Treason.
    You just broke my irony meter.
    Exactly!

    I'd even googled Canada's treason legislation.

    Here we have an riotous, undulating , uncontrollable, "mob" of stick wielding* demonstrators marching on our seat of government seeking to seize our duly elected primer...


    * yeah, yeah I know they had placards on them but they were still sticks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    If I was at the meeting and they started these Trump style chants, I would have walked out immediately and not returned.

    Somebody in charge should have told the crowd off. What is next, Hitler style salutes like what is happening in the US?

    Dallas native Richard Spencer, a self-professed founder of the "alt right" movement, will speak at the College Station campus at the invitation of a white nationalist and former student who has been hosting events at the university for years. Spencer drew national headlines after his call to "Hail Trump!" elicited Nazi salutes from a crowd of white nationalists at a conference last month in Washington.
    The term "alt right" has no single accepted meaning but has been used by those who believe in white supremacy or white separatism. "Alt right" individuals and groups tend to be anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic and anti-feminist.
    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/highe...ping-professor
    You might have walked out and others might have joined the chanting, laughing all the way. Somethings depend on your sense of humour.
    I would describe it as more pathetic than humorous. It seems to be the way these people gain power - they aren't taken seriously until it is too late.
    If our legislature burns down, I'll get worried. Until then, their attempts at importing American values just provides comic relief. (I started this as a new thread because I didn't think it right to contaminate a political party thread with such behaviour.) I rather liked Danielle Smith, and Brian Jean seems quite ok too.



    Note: fixed my typo above. "Some things depend on your sense of humour"
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    If I was at the meeting and they started these Trump style chants, I would have walked out immediately and not returned.

    Somebody in charge should have told the crowd off. What is next, Hitler style salutes like what is happening in the US?

    Dallas native Richard Spencer, a self-professed founder of the "alt right" movement, will speak at the College Station campus at the invitation of a white nationalist and former student who has been hosting events at the university for years. Spencer drew national headlines after his call to "Hail Trump!" elicited Nazi salutes from a crowd of white nationalists at a conference last month in Washington.
    The term "alt right" has no single accepted meaning but has been used by those who believe in white supremacy or white separatism. "Alt right" individuals and groups tend to be anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic and anti-feminist.
    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/highe...ping-professor
    You might have walked out and others might have joined the chanting, laughing all the way. Somethings depend on your sense of humour.
    I would describe it as more pathetic than humorous. It seems to be the way these people gain power - they aren't taken seriously until it is too late.
    If our legislature burns down, I'll get worried. Until then, their attempts at importing American values just provides comic relief. (I started this as a new thread because I didn't think it right to contaminate a political party thread with such behaviour.) I rather liked Danielle Smith, and Brian Jean seems quite ok too.

    Note: fixed my typo above. "Some things depend on your sense of humour"
    I think they also use ridicule by the "elites" as a way to stengthen their appeal to the disaffected. There seem to be a lot of people with a lot of beefs these days and just like the protestors, it seems hard to keep track of what exactly they are really angry about. I think it mostly has to do with the last lost decade of economic stagnation across most of the western world and not so much any particular person, government or policy.

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    I think everyone is taking this too seriously and I'm sure no one really meant it. They probably all were having a good laugh over it. It was likely meant in jest only just to imitate the trump and Hillary thing. Am I the only one here that sees this? These are just some good old Albertans having some fun and everyone makes it to be an old time lynch mob or something. Time to lighten up a bit. Jeez.

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    Would you be saying the same thing if it was an NDP event?
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    I think everyone is taking this too seriously and I'm sure no one really meant it. They probably all were having a good laugh over it. It was likely meant in jest only just to imitate the trump and Hillary thing. Am I the only one here that sees this? These are just some good old Albertans having some fun and everyone makes it to be an old time lynch mob or something. Time to lighten up a bit. Jeez.
    No, it didn't seem like a happy fun loving crowd from what I saw. I don't think most people go to political protests for fun.

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    ^^



    Probly not because these days a ND event likely wouldn't draw flies.

    If an election were held today, Top_Dawg figgers they would end up with fewer seats than they had before the last election.

    Even scarecrow would be in danger of losing her seat in that eco nutbar bastion of Emmonton Strathcona.

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    KC, you spin words for the sake of spinning words. As our last exchange over environmental awareness proved, you are unable or unwilling to answer a simple question clearly. You can continue to spin whatever web of ratiocination you wish, but you only sound clever to yourself and others like you.

    As for me, I could not care less whether I sound simplistic or otherwise.

    One last thing: treating the world as us versus them is exactly what the lock-her-up mob does. By tolerating, excusing, minimizing or individualizing what it does, you become a part of it. Congratulations.
    Ok, you like short. Then re-read what you yourself just stated - and start thinking before you write.
    You are a wretched pretentious fool. I will take no instruction from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
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    KC, you spin words for the sake of spinning words. As our last exchange over environmental awareness proved, you are unable or unwilling to answer a simple question clearly. You can continue to spin whatever web of ratiocination you wish, but you only sound clever to yourself and others like you.

    As for me, I could not care less whether I sound simplistic or otherwise.

    One last thing: treating the world as us versus them is exactly what the lock-her-up mob does. By tolerating, excusing, minimizing or individualizing what it does, you become a part of it. Congratulations.
    Ok, you like short. Then re-read what you yourself just stated - and start thinking before you write.
    You are a wretched pretentious fool. I will take no instruction from you.
    really? because whether or not your accusation is true, would you be the pot or the kettle here?

    because either way it would seem that there's no shortage of wretched pretentious fools here mister "You have been loudly on record as a Conservative. You should renounce your Conservatism. Only then your statement will be as believable to others as it is without a doubt heartfelt to you."

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    This isn't nearly as bad as some of the signs and chants we heard from angry mobs protesting Premier Klein. THAT got downright scary at times.

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    I bet there would be a lot less outrage if people chanted this while Alison Redford was the Premier.

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    I bet there would be a lot less outrage if people chanted this while Alison Redford was the Premier.
    Perhaps if they were chanting it about Alison, it might have been members of her own government chanting. In any event, I really don't like the "lock her up" thing regardless. I am glad that Alison is gone and that is good enough for me. It is not for the angry mob to decide who goes to jail.

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    If people were chanting "lock her up" about Redford at a protest about her handling of the tobacco litigation file, that would be perfectly acceptable, because there is a good argument to be made that she was in a conflict of interest and potentially broke laws in order to benefit her ex-husband's law firm and cover up the fact that she did so. It's especially galling that Redford is a lawyer, and should have known damn well that she was in a conflict and that her actions were unethical and possibly illegal.

    There is no such case to be made about any actions or policies that Notley has undertaken. Not seriously, anyways.
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    KC, you spin words for the sake of spinning words. As our last exchange over environmental awareness proved, you are unable or unwilling to answer a simple question clearly. You can continue to spin whatever web of ratiocination you wish, but you only sound clever to yourself and others like you.

    As for me, I could not care less whether I sound simplistic or otherwise.

    One last thing: treating the world as us versus them is exactly what the lock-her-up mob does. By tolerating, excusing, minimizing or individualizing what it does, you become a part of it. Congratulations.
    Ok, you like short. Then re-read what you yourself just stated - and start thinking before you write.
    You are a wretched pretentious fool. I will take no instruction from you.
    really? because whether or not your accusation is, would you be the pot or the kettle here?

    because either way it would seem that there's no shortage of wretched pretentious fools here mister "You have been loudly on record as a Conservative. You should renounce your Conservatism. Only then your statement will be as believable to others as it is without a doubt heartfelt to you."

    Hmm, I suspect it's simply the case that: Bullies don't like to be bullied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    This isn't nearly as bad as some of the signs and chants we heard from angry mobs protesting Premier Klein. THAT got downright scary at times.



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    This isn't nearly as bad as some of the signs and chants we heard from angry mobs protesting Premier Klein. THAT got downright scary at times.



    " You can call me every rotten, stinking name under the sun, but I ain't going to blink. "
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    " I think there's a bit of an ugly edge to politics that's developing, "
    - Rachel Notley
    She's pretty unflappable. ...but then she's been handed a few nice little gifts lately (Sandra Jansen, pipeline approval, ...)

    I've always liked the following quote: "If there's a skeleton in your closet you might as well teach it to dance."

    However, it seems Notely is even getting the skeletons in other's closets to dance for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    If I was at the meeting and they started these Trump style chants, I would have walked out immediately and not returned.

    Somebody in charge should have told the crowd off. What is next, Hitler style salutes like what is happening in the US?

    Dallas native Richard Spencer, a self-professed founder of the "alt right" movement, will speak at the College Station campus at the invitation of a white nationalist and former student who has been hosting events at the university for years. Spencer drew national headlines after his call to "Hail Trump!" elicited Nazi salutes from a crowd of white nationalists at a conference last month in Washington.
    The term "alt right" has no single accepted meaning but has been used by those who believe in white supremacy or white separatism. "Alt right" individuals and groups tend to be anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic and anti-feminist.
    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/highe...ping-professor
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    Thank you for your childish post. I see that you support the mob mentality. You are the type that shows up with the rope.



    At least I have Christian morals and ethics that I maintain through my actions and a beliefs. I refuse to be lead by mobs and false leaders.


    I stand by these principles and study history where other men failed to do so and were mislead by the populist ideas and pressure to conform. Your ridiculous scorn and mocking has no power over me.
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    The "I am better than you are " argument works every time.

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    Beats chanting or supporting the "Lock her up!, Lock her up!" crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Thank you for your childish post. I see that you support the mob mentality. You are the type that shows up with the rope.



    At least I have Christian morals and ethics that I maintain through my actions and a beliefs. I refuse to be lead by mobs and false leaders.


    I stand by these principles and study history where other men failed to do so and were mislead by the populist ideas and pressure to conform. Your ridiculous scorn and mocking has no power over me.
    So I have no morals but the liberal does lol you don't know what I believe and your self righteous attitude is funny . Thee without sin cast the 1st stone . Get of your high horse and you loved Hillary the spirit cooking buddy of a known satanist Marina Abramovich who flew with her on her campaign. Same lady who is the buddies with those bible pushing Lady Gaga and Madonna. And Beyonce and Jayz who have openly pledged their satanic beliefs . Have we heard Trump claim this ? I have seen him reading scripture from the bible with pastors . And anytime you want to learn the bible just ask me I know the scriptures quite well .
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    Funny, that you say that I loved Hillary. Please share one post where I stated that? I think if you look, you will see that I openly questioned that out of 350 million people in the USA, is Trump and Clinton the best that they got?

    This is how you twist what people say and openly lie about posters on this thread. Yes, it is self evident that you have no morals or ethics and cannot articulate where you get your news and information after lambasting others about their sources. Many have called you out on your sources and you have failed miserably to respond to them.

    You sir, are a troll of the highest order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Funny, that you say that I loved Hillary. Please share one post where I stated that? I think if you look, you will see that I openly questioned that out of 350 million people in the USA, is Trump and Clinton the best that they got?

    This is how you twist what people say and openly lie about posters on this thread. Yes, it is self evident that you have no morals or ethics and cannot articulate where you get your news and information after lambasting others about their sources. Many have called you out on your sources and you have failed miserably to respond to them.

    You sir, are a troll of the highest order.
    Your Insults are such of a high moral standard . And all thru the Trump debates and thread I linked all my sources so just stop not falling for your bait anyone can read it . And all what I predicted happened . So just stop your Jesus knows your lies. You only quote from fake news sites the MSM and your liberal scribes . Here is a recent article from the liberal buzzfeed showing how students are allowed to hate white people and this is encouraged in these Liberal run institutions . where is your outrage ? I know your traumatized over Trump winning and how much of a fool you made of yourself in that thread and all your CNN and political polls you proudly posted saying listen this is truth but don't worry you will get over it. And also Mr I am a Christian of the highest order and purety self proclaimer , did you forget the scripture where god raises up kings and dethrone them ? Are you questioning gods choice to run the USA and who he puts in power . Don't bother answering your self righteous banter already tells me you think you know better then god lol https://www.buzzfeed.com/hattiesoyka...Zy#.eaL3J7QOaq
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Thank you for your childish post. I see that you support the mob mentality. You are the type that shows up with the rope.



    At least I have Christian morals and ethics that I maintain through my actions and a beliefs. I refuse to be lead by mobs and false leaders.


    I stand by these principles and study history where other men failed to do so and were mislead by the populist ideas and pressure to conform. Your ridiculous scorn and mocking has no power over me.
    you do know that showing up with a rope is still a pretty christian thing, even on edmonton lrt platforms?

    and claiming morals and ethics to be a christian ethos presents and exemplifies a mob and false leaders culture to much of the world including here?

    ridiculous scorn and mocking has no hold over you? apparently only when you're wielding them.
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    Why, because I simply stated that if I attended a event where the mob began chanting "Lock her up!, Lock her up!" and I decide that I don't want to be associated with that crowd and walk away, I get derided by B.S. High as a whining liberal?

    Amazing how one can be attacked by a mob on this forum as well. Pretty unappealing.

    kcantor, I have no understanding of your comment "you do know that showing up with a rope is still a pretty christian thing". Can you please explain what you mean?





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    This isn't nearly as bad as some of the signs and chants we heard from angry mobs protesting Premier Klein. THAT got downright scary at times.



    " You can call me every rotten, stinking name under the sun, but I ain't going to blink. "
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    " I think there's a bit of an ugly edge to politics that's developing, "
    - Rachel Notley
    I love it. I love it also when people claim that politics was once cleaner like notley is there. And I love it when its claimed only one side is poorly behaved. Its shows a total lack of knowledge of history. Politics has always been polarizing, it always will be. You either believe you owed more (i.e. left wing), or you believe you have to achieve what you get (i.e. right wing). There is no middle, you are either lazy and entitled (there is the odd left or right winger worried about people poorer than them, but most are just moaning about the rough lot they got in life instead of fixing their life) or you are not. Of course that brings out emotions from people sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buildthemhigh View Post
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    Funny, that you say that I loved Hillary. Please share one post where I stated that? I think if you look, you will see that I openly questioned that out of 350 million people in the USA, is Trump and Clinton the best that they got?

    This is how you twist what people say and openly lie about posters on this thread. Yes, it is self evident that you have no morals or ethics and cannot articulate where you get your news and information after lambasting others about their sources. Many have called you out on your sources and you have failed miserably to respond to them.

    You sir, are a troll of the highest order.
    Your Insults are such of a high moral standard . And all thru the Trump debates and thread I linked all my sources so just stop not falling for your bait anyone can read it . And all what I predicted happened . So just stop your Jesus knows your lies. You only quote from fake news sites the MSM and your liberal scribes . Here is a recent article from the liberal buzzfeed showing how students are allowed to hate white people and this is encouraged in these Liberal run institutions . where is your outrage ? I know your traumatized over Trump winning and how much of a fool you made of yourself in that thread and all your CNN and political polls you proudly posted saying listen this is truth but don't worry you will get over it. And also Mr I am a Christian of the highest order and purety self proclaimer , did you forget the scripture where god raises up kings and dethrone them ? Are you questioning gods choice to run the USA and who he puts in power . Don't bother answering your self righteous banter already tells me you think you know better then god lol https://www.buzzfeed.com/hattiesoyka...Zy#.eaL3J7QOaq

    CNN, Buzzfeed...

    ...MSM - Men who have sex with men?

    Oh mainstream media, right.


    Have you ever read a socialist newspaper?

    Let me suggest a few for you:

    http://mondediplo.com/

    http://en.granma.cu/

    https://socialistworker.org/

    http://www.socialist.net/


    Or perhaps some Canadian left leaning websites:

    http://rankandfile.ca/

    http://thetyee.ca/


    Now read these and tell me that CNN is 'liberal'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Why, because I simply stated that if I attended a event where the mob began chanting "Lock her up!, Lock her up!" and I decide that I don't want to be associated with that crowd and walk away, I get derided by B.S. High as a whining liberal?

    Amazing how one can be attacked by a mob on this forum as well. Pretty unappealing.

    kcantor, I have no understanding of your comment "you do know that showing up with a rope is still a pretty christian thing". Can you please explain what you mean?





    No you linked a article with some Nazi saluting Trump like he is afiiliated with any of those idiots . Probably set up by the liberals anyhow like how they paid people to disrupt Trump rallies and and start fights. Which was proven . Anyways like my very 1st post in the political disscussions I warned people not to believe a word the press tells you they only put things they want you to know whether it's a lie or not. Remember these gems by you http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/showt...l=1#post781156 http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/showt...l=1#post781239 And here is what I posted early in that thread http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/showt...l=1#post782177 You spent that whole thread posting from sites I told you were feeding you lies , and you still have not learned a thing Reading that thread again gave me a great laugh . And PRT I have never seen someone so wrong in there as you were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AAAAE View Post
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    Funny, that you say that I loved Hillary. Please share one post where I stated that? I think if you look, you will see that I openly questioned that out of 350 million people in the USA, is Trump and Clinton the best that they got?

    This is how you twist what people say and openly lie about posters on this thread. Yes, it is self evident that you have no morals or ethics and cannot articulate where you get your news and information after lambasting others about their sources. Many have called you out on your sources and you have failed miserably to respond to them.

    You sir, are a troll of the highest order.
    Your Insults are such of a high moral standard . And all thru the Trump debates and thread I linked all my sources so just stop not falling for your bait anyone can read it . And all what I predicted happened . So just stop your Jesus knows your lies. You only quote from fake news sites the MSM and your liberal scribes . Here is a recent article from the liberal buzzfeed showing how students are allowed to hate white people and this is encouraged in these Liberal run institutions . where is your outrage ? I know your traumatized over Trump winning and how much of a fool you made of yourself in that thread and all your CNN and political polls you proudly posted saying listen this is truth but don't worry you will get over it. And also Mr I am a Christian of the highest order and purety self proclaimer , did you forget the scripture where god raises up kings and dethrone them ? Are you questioning gods choice to run the USA and who he puts in power . Don't bother answering your self righteous banter already tells me you think you know better then god lol https://www.buzzfeed.com/hattiesoyka...Zy#.eaL3J7QOaq

    CNN, Buzzfeed...

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    Oh mainstream media, right.


    Have you ever read a socialist newspaper?

    Let me suggest a few for you:

    http://mondediplo.com/

    http://en.granma.cu/

    https://socialistworker.org/

    http://www.socialist.net/


    Or perhaps some Canadian left leaning websites:

    http://rankandfile.ca/

    http://thetyee.ca/


    Now read these and tell me that CNN is 'liberal'.
    CNN is fake as can get it really makes me sad how people have stopped using their own god given brain that is to be used for your own critical thinking and how the majority these days rely on propogandist yelling thru a box and in print telling you how to think and live with the majority of it complete agenda driven lies. Or how people think these white coat graph makers are gods filling you full of wisdom with theory. And I wont bother reading those it will just **** me off more.
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    Uh-oh spaghetti-os.

    This might grow legs.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...weet-1.3884499



    Top_Dawg figgers there's going to be a lot of control over who is allowed into scarecrow's public appearances.

    If she even has any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buildthemhigh View Post
    it really makes me sad how people have stopped using their own god given brain that is to be used for your own critical thinking and how the majority these days rely on propogandist yelling thru a box and in print telling you how to think and live with the majority of it complete agenda driven lies. Or how people think these white coat graph makers are gods filling you full of wisdom with theory.
    I think we can all agree with you on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by buildthemhigh View Post
    it really makes me sad how people have stopped using their own god given brain that is to be used for your own critical thinking and how the majority these days rely on propogandist yelling thru a box and in print telling you how to think and live with the majority of it complete agenda driven lies. Or how people think these white coat graph makers are gods filling you full of wisdom with theory.
    I think we can all agree with you on this one.
    Not until the internal contradiction in that statement is removed.

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    Uh-oh spaghetti-os.

    This might grow legs.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...weet-1.3884499



    Top_Dawg figgers there's going to be a lot of control over who is allowed into scarecrow's public appearances.

    If she even has any.
    The headline for that link:

    Federal Conservative leadership candidate endorses 'Lock her up' chant
    Saskatchewan MP Brad Trost believes chant was not literal, but an expression of frustration
    By Kyle Muzyka, CBC News Posted: Dec 06, 2016


    As an "expression of frustration" on people's lack of intelligence, I may have to start chanting: 'Trost is a ******'.

    I love how those stars open up the possibilities.
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    Vote her out, is so much better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hello lady View Post
    Vote her out, is so much better...
    And where were you when they needed you? Instead they use a cheap american import. Maybe they are all just recent immigrants or children of immigrants from the US and don't understand yet 'core Albertan values' among 'old stock Albertans. If only Harper were there to set things straight - he has deep Canadian roots...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Funny, that you say that I loved Hillary. Please share one post where I stated that? I think if you look, you will see that I openly questioned that out of 350 million people in the USA, is Trump and Clinton the best that they got?

    This is how you twist what people say and openly lie about posters on this thread. Yes, it is self evident that you have no morals or ethics and cannot articulate where you get your news and information after lambasting others about their sources. Many have called you out on your sources and you have failed miserably to respond to them.

    You sir, are a troll of the highest order.
    Your Insults are such of a high moral standard . And all thru the Trump debates and thread I linked all my sources so just stop not falling for your bait anyone can read it . And all what I predicted happened . So just stop your Jesus knows your lies. You only quote from fake news sites the MSM and your liberal scribes . Here is a recent article from the liberal buzzfeed showing how students are allowed to hate white people and this is encouraged in these Liberal run institutions . where is your outrage ? I know your traumatized over Trump winning and how much of a fool you made of yourself in that thread and all your CNN and political polls you proudly posted saying listen this is truth but don't worry you will get over it. And also Mr I am a Christian of the highest order and purety self proclaimer , did you forget the scripture where god raises up kings and dethrone them ? Are you questioning gods choice to run the USA and who he puts in power . Don't bother answering your self righteous banter already tells me you think you know better then god lol https://www.buzzfeed.com/hattiesoyka...Zy#.eaL3J7QOaq

    CNN, Buzzfeed...

    ...MSM - Men who have sex with men?

    Oh mainstream media, right.


    Have you ever read a socialist newspaper?

    Let me suggest a few for you:

    http://mondediplo.com/

    http://en.granma.cu/

    https://socialistworker.org/

    http://www.socialist.net/


    Or perhaps some Canadian left leaning websites:

    http://rankandfile.ca/

    http://thetyee.ca/


    Now read these and tell me that CNN is 'liberal'.
    CNN is fake as can get it really makes me sad how people have stopped using their own god given brain that is to be used for your own critical thinking and how the majority these days rely on propogandist yelling thru a box and in print telling you how to think and live with the majority of it complete agenda driven lies. Or how people think these white coat graph makers are gods filling you full of wisdom with theory. And I wont bother reading those it will just **** me off more.

    A lot of atheists my take issue with this:

    "god given brain that is to be used for your own critical thinking " ...Are you questioning gods choice to run the USA and who he puts in power .Don't bother answering your self righteous banter already tells me you think you know better then god lol

    Now the fact you believe Bill Clinton (after all everyone has said about him and his corruption, etc.) was elected, twice, essentially by God, really causes me to question things.


    But I suppose that's for another thread - though this one is about religion and not God per se:.

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    Vote her out, is so much better...
    And where were you when they needed you? Instead they use a cheap american import. Maybe they are all just recent immigrants or children of immigrants from the US and don't understand yet 'core Albertan values' among 'old stock Albertans. If only Harper were there to set things straight - he has deep Canadian roots...
    We all agree then that only "old stock' Albertans should have any credence.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    Vote her out, is so much better...
    And where were you when they needed you? Instead they use a cheap american import. Maybe they are all just recent immigrants or children of immigrants from the US and don't understand yet 'core Albertan values' among 'old stock Albertans. If only Harper were there to set things straight - he has deep Canadian roots...

    They were yelling vote her out,keep up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    Vote her out, is so much better...
    And where were you when they needed you? Instead they use a cheap american import. Maybe they are all just recent immigrants or children of immigrants from the US and don't understand yet 'core Albertan values' among 'old stock Albertans. If only Harper were there to set things straight - he has deep Canadian roots...
    We all agree then that only "old stock' Albertans should have any credence.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium48 View Post
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    it really makes me sad how people have stopped using their own god given brain that is to be used for your own critical thinking and how the majority these days rely on propogandist yelling thru a box and in print telling you how to think and live with the majority of it complete agenda driven lies. Or how people think these white coat graph makers are gods filling you full of wisdom with theory.
    I think we can all agree with you on this one.
    Not until the internal contradiction in that statement is removed.
    Not contradiction fact go stand outside for 15 minutes tonight and tell me all about global warming and the damage it had done in 30 years of their BS. Evey last graph computer model made up for the gullible fed to you by the MSM fake news outlets with their directed fear porn. And these people have convinced the suckers out there to allow their own air they breathe to be taxed lmfao. This maybe a very advanced society with technology but the most gullible one since the beggining of man and it's not even close.
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    ^This post sets the new standard for incoherence so far in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    ^This post sets the new standard for incoherence so far in this thread.
    Sorry to hear you were that poorly educated. But the bright side is you're never to old to learn something new.
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    Vote her out, I can get behind that. Too bad we have to wait 3 more years
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    Quote Originally Posted by buildthemhigh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    ^This post sets the new standard for incoherence so far in this thread.
    Sorry to hear you were that poorly educated. But the bright side is you're never to old to learn something new.
    Right, your science based test "go stand outside for 15 minutes tonight and tell me all about global warming" is your measure of global warming??? I see that you not only discount the media but you also do not believe in scientific studies. Undeterred by decades of worldwide climate studies by thousands of esteemed and qualified scientists, B.S.High believes that a 15 minute test is more than enough 'science' that proves himself right and everyone else is uneducated.


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    Political thread has predictably devolved into derision.

    Not much to really see here. The event at the Leg was largely orchestrated and with protesters bussed in from Calgary and Red Deer. Really about the first bit of information that sunk in on reading the link.

    Paralleling this thread the banter at the Leg was as disconnected as found here.

    Could one request they have a chant which is at least coherent? With a point? Is that too much to ask in the post informational age?

    Suitable that Marx is rolling his eyes. Only thing left is the pie throws.

    Not saying you PRT. Just that its seemingly impossible to have reasonable political discourse on social media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Vote her out, I can get behind that. Too bad we have to wait 3 more years
    Considering how long non supporters had to wait to get the Cons kicked out its probably not an equitable hardship.

    Plus with rallies like this it kind of reinforces how the NDP got voted in in the first place. Keep it coming I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buildthemhigh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    ^This post sets the new standard for incoherence so far in this thread.
    Sorry to hear you were that poorly educated. But the bright side is you're never to old to learn something new.
    Right, your science based test "go stand outside for 15 minutes tonight and tell me all about global warming" is your measure of global warming??? I see that you not only discount the media but you also do not believe in scientific studies. Undeterred by decades of worldwide climate studies by thousands of esteemed and qualified scientists, B.S.High believes that a 15 minute test is more than enough 'science' that proves himself right and everyone else is uneducated.



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    vote her out, vote her out
    Not only are Conservatives degenerates -- the chant was clearly "lock her up" -- they are cowards for not even having the guts to own up to the sounds coming out of their mouths.

    You are all the same. You brand yourself by your political allegiance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Political thread has predictably devolved into derision.

    Not much to really see here. The event at the Leg was largely orchestrated and with protesters bussed in from Calgary and Red Deer. Really about the first bit of information that sunk in on reading the link.

    Paralleling this thread the banter at the Leg was as disconnected as found here.

    Could one request they have a chant which is at least coherent? With a point? Is that too much to ask in the post informational age?

    Suitable that Marx is rolling his eyes. Only thing left is the pie throws.

    Not saying you PRT. Just that its seemingly impossible to have reasonable political discourse on social media.
    I would disagree on the last point. The key is in choosing who to have the discourse with. I found online debate became far more pleasant when I choose to stop talking to trolls and sticking to the people I disagree with but actually think and want to discuss issues.

    Side note: You need socialists to have a good coordinated, coherent chant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    vote her out, vote her out
    Not only are Conservatives degenerates -- the chant was clearly "lock her up" -- they are cowards for not even having the guts to own up to the sounds coming out of their mouths.

    You are all the same. You brand yourself by your political allegiance.
    "Conservatives are degenerates". I'm not so sure that you and buildthemhigh aren't the same person. Multiple or split personalities and all. Or should I say: "spit personalities".

    As for anyone that initiates the hurling of insults and foul language... AND then speaks of who are the cowards not having guts to own up - I'm speechless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    vote her out, vote her out
    Not only are Conservatives degenerates -- the chant was clearly "lock her up" -- they are cowards for not even having the guts to own up to the sounds coming out of their mouths.

    You are all the same. You brand yourself by your political allegiance.
    yes, those chanting "lock her up" and not being prepared to own up after would be cowards. and, owning up to it or not, those chanting "lock her up" are probably many things including frustrated and disillusioned.

    but degenerates?

    and to lump all conservatives whether they have ever chanted "lock her up" or not including those who have spoken out against chanting what they did as degenerates because of their political allegiance? really.

    does your political allegiance make you personally responsible for all the acts of fidel castro or hugo chavez or dave barrett or mahmoud abbas or david ahenakew? or do only your chosen political and religious allegiances allow dissension and disagreement within them without being labelled a degenerate?

    talk about - once again - your acting the wretched pretentious fool all by yourself in your own posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Political thread has predictably devolved into derision.

    Not much to really see here. The event at the Leg was largely orchestrated and with protesters bussed in from Calgary and Red Deer. Really about the first bit of information that sunk in on reading the link.

    Paralleling this thread the banter at the Leg was as disconnected as found here.

    Could one request they have a chant which is at least coherent? With a point? Is that too much to ask in the post informational age?

    Suitable that Marx is rolling his eyes. Only thing left is the pie throws.

    Not saying you PRT. Just that its seemingly impossible to have reasonable political discourse on social media.
    I would disagree on the last point. The key is in choosing who to have the discourse with. I found online debate became far more pleasant when I choose to stop talking to trolls and sticking to the people I disagree with but actually think and want to discuss issues.

    Side note: You need socialists to have a good coordinated, coherent chant.
    My point is that in the post information age politics has become duck soup. With the participants not rising much above pie flinging. if coherence is the question then consider the noise to information ratio emanating from inside the Legislature, House of Commons, etc. I do find that responses to present day politics very much mirror the actual political discourse and first hand devolution. Party line always begats the same in response.

    Plus that while were having this discourse here the actual speaker at the event is decrying any responsibility he had to address the crowd, redirect the crowd to be more appropriate, or intervene in any way. He stood there basically smiling like an approving fool who has been redressed on that ever since.

    Disillusion with politics notwithstanding it seems Chris Alexander has done the electorate some small favor here exhibiting his brand of leadership. One needs to see the positives that illuminate, especially when unintended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    vote her out, vote her out
    Not only are Conservatives degenerates -- the chant was clearly "lock her up" -- they are cowards for not even having the guts to own up to the sounds coming out of their mouths.

    You are all the same. You brand yourself by your political allegiance.
    yes, those chanting "lock her up" and not being prepared to own up after would be cowards. and, owning up to it or not, those chanting "lock her up" are probably many things including frustrated and disillusioned.

    but degenerates?

    and to lump all conservatives whether they have ever chanted "lock her up" or not including those who have spoken out against chanting what they did as degenerates because of their political allegiance? really.

    does your political allegiance make you personally responsible for all the acts of fidel castro or hugo chavez or dave barrett or mahmoud abbas or david ahenakew? or do only your chosen political and religious allegiances allow dissension and disagreement within them without being labelled a degenerate?

    talk about - once again - your acting the wretched pretentious fool all by yourself in your own posts.
    I'll play semantics here. I would not label the people degenerates. But the process they engaged in was degenerating discourse. Frankly I'm astounded people would go to that level of engagement and discourse in an apparent attempt at getting a message out. What message? That the participants are thick at best? I would be embarrassed to have attended this assembly. That there wasn't division, shouting down, or that Chris Alexander didn't intervene to shape a more plausible message is reprehensible. Especially considering the hubris and context of abuse that has already been directed at our premier. One would think should know better by now is in the mix but I doubt that we see that.

    Again though I'll take solace in knowing all that was accomplished in the rally was more self satire.
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    Top_Dawg rarely agrees with Walkom, but here he presents a surprisingly level headed assessment.

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/comm...nt-walkom.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post
    Top_Dawg rarely agrees with Walkom, but here he presents a surprisingly level headed assessment.

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/comm...nt-walkom.html
    I rarely agree with you however in this case you're right. It's a good piece.

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    The article is somewhat reasonable but just to counter that Alexander is not being critiqued solely for his after the fact comments he's being targeted for his actual behavior, filmed, DURING the chants in which he appears to agree to them, smiles, motions, and even points to them and again laughs and smiles. Leaving the impression that his latter attempts to explain his actions/inactions are arguably worse in that it appears to be bold faced lying.

    In realtime Alexander was expressing, visually, connection with the chants being made. The video quite clearly shows that nature of reaction. If Alexander is so disconnected in his portrayal in what he displays publicly, at a rally where he is actually a keynote speaker, while he has the microphone and is being recorded, than he's chosen the wrong line of work.

    Leadership occurs in real time, not in chronic post hoc analysis of what went wrong.

    At worst he's a liar.

    At best he's incompetent. His previous work with the barbaric reporting "tipline" suggests the latter.

    In anycase public be advised. That this man is not suitable for leadership and certainly not political party leadership.

    The greatest irony in this rally is the "supporters" at this rally in effect shot Chris Alexander's hopes. Politically shot him down right in provincial home turf. I find the humor in that sublime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    vote her out, vote her out
    Not only are Conservatives degenerates -- the chant was clearly "lock her up" -- they are cowards for not even having the guts to own up to the sounds coming out of their mouths.

    You are all the same. You brand yourself by your political allegiance.


    "Conservatives are degenerates". I'm not so sure that you and buildthemhigh aren't the same person. Multiple or split personalities and all. Or should I say: "spit personalities".

    As for anyone that initiates the hurling of insults and foul language... AND then speaks of who are the cowards not having guts to own up - I'm speechless!
    I like it that way, you being speechless that is..

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    Quote Originally Posted by hello lady View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    vote her out, vote her out
    Not only are Conservatives degenerates -- the chant was clearly "lock her up" -- they are cowards for not even having the guts to own up to the sounds coming out of their mouths.

    You are all the same. You brand yourself by your political allegiance.


    "Conservatives are degenerates". I'm not so sure that you and buildthemhigh aren't the same person. Multiple or split personalities and all. Or should I say: "spit personalities".

    As for anyone that initiates the hurling of insults and foul language... AND then speaks of who are the cowards not having guts to own up - I'm speechless!
    I like it that way, you being speechless that is..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post
    Top_Dawg rarely agrees with Walkom, but here he presents a surprisingly level headed assessment.

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/comm...nt-walkom.html
    Interesting. Is he trying to blame the media, which as he said, didn't either initially cover it, or even attend? As he says:

    "The rally became front-page news this week thanks to an online video that featured Conservative leadership candidate Chris Alexander grinning and apparently keeping time as a crowd of about 1,500 called for the incarceration of Alberta premier Rachel Notley."

    So it seems to me that the media missed the big story only to catch the wave late. As it was no one gave a **** about the protest or the protestors. That's pretty funny.

    Personally, all I had to hear was five words for it to catch my attention: Protesters chant "lock her up". That's all I needed and I could't have cared less about actually reading the boring facts around some snivelling protestor group.
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