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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ But a lot can happen over the next 2 years. Bill 6 is going to be Notley's downfall.


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    I know, it gives me hope though.

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    "retail sales in alberta have now surpassed the level prior to the downturn in world oil prices in late 2014," statistics canada said tuesday as it released the latest spending data.




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    The rural vote is the king makers in Alberta. NDP passed them off, so they are done. End of their story.
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    I see CECE is not going ahead with certain projects, so cuts to healthcare and school..oh my

    bye bye NDP.

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    Wats Cece?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Wats Cece?
    The guy that looks like part of the Addams family

    ( the Finance Minster)
    Last edited by H.L.; 24-08-2017 at 04:00 PM. Reason: TD showed me the correct spelling :)

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    HL is showing us her typical attention to detail in her posts & how well-informed she is on the issue by misspelling the 4-letter-long last name of Joe Ceci.


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    Addams family.

    Good one H.L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    The rural vote is the king makers in Alberta. NDP passed them off, so they are done. End of their story.
    And Bill 6 did nothing but distance the NDP from rural Alberta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post


    Addams family.

    Good one H.L.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    The rural vote is the king makers in Alberta. NDP passed them off, so they are done. End of their story.
    And Bill 6 did nothing but distance the NDP from rural Alberta.
    Love it!!! But it wasn't the rural community at Jasons last meeting, or on FB. Good times!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
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    The rural vote is the king makers in Alberta. NDP passed them off, so they are done. End of their story.
    And Bill 6 did nothing but distance the NDP from rural Alberta.
    Bill 6 has had virtually no negative impact on anyone yet it's still talked about like some kind of ongoing atrocity that is ruining lives. It's a garbage talking point that people need to get over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    Bill 6 has had virtually no negative impact on anyone yet it's still talked about like some kind of ongoing atrocity that is ruining lives. It's a garbage talking point that people need to get over.
    And Bill 6 aligns extremely closely with Jean's own stated plan to deal with the issue, prior to the last election. Now however it's completely untenable simply because it's labour legislation put forward by leftists, so basically communism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    The rural vote is the king makers in Alberta. NDP passed them off, so they are done. End of their story.
    And Bill 6 did nothing but distance the NDP from rural Alberta.
    Bill 6 has had virtually no negative impact on anyone yet it's still talked about like some kind of ongoing atrocity that is ruining lives. It's a garbage talking point that people need to get over.
    Under 20% of Alberta's population is rural now - the percentage has been steadily declining for many, many decades. Even with smaller rural constituencies, they now have much less than 1/2 the seats. I don't think Bill 6 really matters as much as some think - much of the opposition rhetoric about it was very overblown and if people realize the sky is not falling before the next election, it will have even less impact.

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    Bill 6,7,8
    It's still bye bye NDP!!!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Bill 6,7,8
    It's still bye bye NDP!!!.
    Maybe the Wildruse UCP are counting their chickens a bit too soon.

    As confidence returns to Alberta, NDP budgeting can take a bow

    http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/27/as-confidence-returns-to-alberta-ndp-budgeting-can-take-a-bow

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    LOL! The Toronto sun.* snort*

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    GODDAMN DIPPERS ARE KILLIN' THE OILPATCH!

    https://twitter.com/trevortombe/stat...47918537035778
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    Something something IT'S ALL GUBBERMENT JOBS if I recall the ultra-conservative think tanks last week.
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    Kenny said he wasn't releasing a policy platform. That's scary. Brian Jean said if he was elected there would be a whole lot of hurtin' going on and belt tightening. Does the NDP have any competition yet?

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    That's why a lot of Albertan's are getting out of the o/g industry

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2017/07/0...-contradiction
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    Kenny said he wasn't releasing a policy platform. That's scary. Brian Jean said if he was elected there would be a whole lot of hurtin' going on and belt tightening. Does the NDP have any competition yet?

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    So Kenney is not releasing a platform. Sounds like the Seinfield show, a show about nothing. Brian Jean sounds like he's releasing a country and western song about a whole lot of hurtin'.
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    He's not releasing a platform because he's not the leader of the UCP. There is no sense establishing a platform until somebody becomes leader.

    Odd how you left out that detail

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3640228/ja...te-in-alberta/
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    He's not releasing a platform because he's not the leader of the UCP. There is no sense establishing a platform until somebody becomes leader.

    Odd how you left out that detail

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3640228/ja...te-in-alberta/
    I think that's being called: "Gutless"

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    He's not releasing a platform because he's not the leader of the UCP. There is no sense establishing a platform until somebody becomes leader.

    Odd how you left out that detail

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3640228/ja...te-in-alberta/
    He does answer all sorts of questions at his town hall meetings, and on FB. He sounds so good after Nutley and crew!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    He's not releasing a platform because he's not the leader of the UCP. There is no sense establishing a platform until somebody becomes leader.

    Odd how you left out that detail

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3640228/ja...te-in-alberta/
    I think that's being called: "Gutless"
    One could also say its being responsible. He doesn't want to end up being another boy blunder
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    He's not releasing a platform because he's not the leader of the UCP. There is no sense establishing a platform until somebody becomes leader.

    Odd how you left out that detail

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3640228/ja...te-in-alberta/
    He does answer all sorts of questions at his town hall meetings, and on FB. He sounds so good after Nutley and crew!
    Agreed.

    How many people have put their name in the UPC leadership race?

    I hope Rona Ambrose puts her name in or even Daniel Smith. I'd vote for either 2 in a heart beat.

    When is the UPC leadership vote anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    He's not releasing a platform because he's not the leader of the UCP. There is no sense establishing a platform until somebody becomes leader.

    Odd how you left out that detail

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3640228/ja...te-in-alberta/
    He does answer all sorts of questions at his town hall meetings, and on FB. He sounds so good after Nutley and crew!
    Agreed.

    How many people have put their name in the UPC leadership race?

    I hope Rona Ambrose puts her name in or even Daniel Smith. I'd vote for either 2 in a heart beat.

    When is the UPC leadership vote anyway?

    Rona wont, she's happy being out of the political zoo. Im not sure when they vote is..

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    ^ Another good contender would be Doug Schweitzer. I like his ties to Jim Prentice
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ Another good contender would be Doug Schweitzer. I like his ties to Jim Prentice
    I'm not a fan of his, something about the guy..

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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...hool-1.4276383



    Top_Dawg loves this.

    Even the shameless PCs didn't stoop so low as to actively politic in front of captive elementary school children.

    Top_Dawg would have expected this from scarecrow's duff.

    But not from scarecrow herself.



    Priceless.

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    ^All left wingers in Education, one of the few safe audiences for Notley left, teachers and small children. My poor kids are forced to sit through Michael Moore documentaries. Might as well just make them watch CNN or other leftie news in class to effect the provinces entitlement brainwashing...

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    Grade 6 were seen laughing ( and yawning) what a twit!

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    Pretty tone deaf on Notley's part, no question. Disappointing.

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    I don't dislike Notely even though I don't agree with her party politics. Giving political speeches on official openings of grade school should not be allowed. What was she thinking, oh she wasn't.
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    ^ I hope rural Alberta comes out strong in the next election and outs this govt.

    People north of Edmonton aren't too happy with the proposed transmission lines.
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    Ouch, I think the NDPs been ok, and I'm even wincing at the speech thing. You do not want to emulate Trump's speech to the Boy Scouts

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ I hope rural Alberta comes out strong in the next election and outs this govt.

    People north of Edmonton aren't too happy with the proposed transmission lines.
    You mean the one forced through by the PCs? The one RichardS is up in arms about, that the NDP had next to nothing to do with? That one? Yeah, they should totally run the NDP outta town & elect the Frankenstein's Monster version of the party that bent them over & screwed them in the first place! That'll show them city slickers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    I don't dislike Notely even though I don't agree with her party politics. Giving political speeches on official openings of grade school should not be allowed. What was she thinking, oh she wasn't.
    Well the school didn't magically rise out of an empty field all by itself. It was built because the government decided to do it. Some parties support building new schools, some may not, so it is actually quite relevant to the occasion.

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    Most kids have the attention span of goldfish. When it's a political speech it's probably less than that. Keep the politics for the adults as the kids just want to be kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    Ouch, I think the NDPs been ok, and I'm even wincing at the speech thing. You do not want to emulate Trump's speech to the Boy Scouts
    Agree however Trump changed the way things are done. With all the crap and nonsense he pulled, he still won. Nice guys, smart guys, capable guys, experienced guys list to Trump's opportunistic and blatantly irresponsible and/or childish attacks on them and every other opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ I hope rural Alberta comes out strong in the next election and outs this govt.

    People north of Edmonton aren't too happy with the proposed transmission lines.
    You mean the one forced through by the PCs? The one RichardS is up in arms about, that the NDP had next to nothing to do with? That one? Yeah, they should totally run the NDP outta town & elect the Frankenstein's Monster version of the party that bent them over & screwed them in the first place! That'll show them city slickers!
    I'm not referring to Heartland but this:

    http://www.albertapowerline.com/The-Project/
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I'm not referring to Heartland but this:

    http://www.albertapowerline.com/The-Project/
    So was I.

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3712751/al...-were-ignored/

    The root of the feeling from Skermer comes from the fact the project was deemed critical by the previous Progressive Conservative government, which allowed the line to be approved without the completion of a needs assessment. All that was up for debate was which route it would take.
    The PCs pushed it through, full stop. The fact the line is being built the way it is rests solely on their decision to deem it "critical".

    If the NDP had tried to influence the AUC to kaibosh the line the conservative contingent would be up in arms about interference in an independent, quasi-judicial agency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    Ouch, I think the NDPs been ok, and I'm even wincing at the speech thing. You do not want to emulate Trump's speech to the Boy Scouts
    Agree however Trump changed the way things are done. With all the crap and nonsense he pulled, he still won. Nice guys, smart guys, capable guys, experienced guys list to Trump's opportunistic and blatantly irresponsible and/or childish attacks on them and every other opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    Ouch, I think the NDPs been ok, and I'm even wincing at the speech thing. You do not want to emulate Trump's speech to the Boy Scouts
    Agree however Trump changed the way things are done. With all the crap and nonsense he pulled, he still won. Nice guys, smart guys, capable guys, experienced guys list to Trump's opportunistic and blatantly irresponsible and/or childish attacks on them and every other opponent.
    I don't thin it is quite the same as Trump's Boy Scout speech. He wasn't there to open a Boy Scout building that his government provided funding for that other parties opposed funding.

    One of the eternal joys of childhood is listening to various speeches from adults prattle on about things they don't really care about or appreciate. I am sure they will survive this one too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I'm not referring to Heartland but this:

    http://www.albertapowerline.com/The-Project/
    So was I.

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3712751/al...-were-ignored/

    The root of the feeling from Skermer comes from the fact the project was deemed critical by the previous Progressive Conservative government, which allowed the line to be approved without the completion of a needs assessment. All that was up for debate was which route it would take.
    The PCs pushed it through, full stop. The fact the line is being built the way it is rests solely on their decision to deem it "critical".

    If the NDP had tried to influence the AUC to kaibosh the line the conservative contingent would be up in arms about interference in an independent, quasi-judicial agency.
    I doubt the line was critical RN's Govt doesn't seem to be too eager to stop it now though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    One of the eternal joys of childhood is listening to various speeches from adults prattle on about things they don't really care about or appreciate. I am sure they will survive this one too.


    Yeah, no kidding.

    And 'course it eventually leads to eternal regret.

    After it dawns on you exactly what the fuq that adult was droning on about.

    And how much sense it makes twenty years later.

    As opposed to the horseshit the little cheecho engaged in because he knew better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I doubt the line was critical RN's Govt doesn't seem to be too eager to stop it now though.
    Because it's up to the AUC, an independent, quasi-judicial agency to cancel the line. Do you want the NDP meddling in the affairs of independent agencies?

    Do you really think the NDP are all about a transmission line that's basically just an indirect subsidy to the big oilsands projects, providing them better access to the provincial power grid? No, of course not. But the PCs made a choice years ago that's tied a lot of hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    One of the eternal joys of childhood is listening to various speeches from adults prattle on about things they don't really care about or appreciate. I am sure they will survive this one too.


    Yeah, no kidding.

    And 'course it eventually leads to eternal regret.

    After it dawns on you exactly what the fuq that adult was droning on about.

    And how much sense it makes twenty years later.

    As opposed to the horseshit the little cheecho engaged in because he knew better.
    20 years later, they wont even remember two seconds later. It probably sounded like: blah, blah, blah, yadda yadda, duh, oh, blah to them. Like having to sit through a church service as a kid, soul destroying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I doubt the line was critical RN's Govt doesn't seem to be too eager to stop it now though.
    Because it's up to the AUC, an independent, quasi-judicial agency to cancel the line. Do you want the NDP meddling in the affairs of independent agencies?

    Do you really think the NDP are all about a transmission line that's basically just an indirect subsidy to the big oilsands projects, providing them better access to the provincial power grid? No, of course not. But the PCs made a choice years ago that's tied a lot of hands.
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    There's no way for the NDP to do right in your eyes regardless of what they do. If they meddle with the AUC it'd be "look at the NDP trying to get their dirty socialist fingers in the works of the independent agency!" & now as they let things play out as the PCs laid them out to they "don't care about rural Alberta". You'll find some way of ignoring enough of the facts to make it all the NDP's fault, somehow.
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    Well, if it ain't a Notley (or is it a Trudeau) bump.

    Oilsands expansion leads Canada to fastest GDP growth in nearly 2 decades - Calgary - CBC News

    http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/c...2017-1.4225955

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    But will it last???? http://business.financialpost.com/co...-in-2018-study

    Where all these*cough* green jobs???

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    Alberta, Newfoundland and Labrador, and Saskatchewan had the highest percentage increases in the number of consumers and businesses unable to pay their debts in the 12-month period ending June 30, 2017, compared to the previous year. ..


    http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/saskatoon/insolvency-oil-producing-provinces-alberta-saskatchewan-nl-1.4273408
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ Another good contender would be Doug Schweitzer. I like his ties to Jim Prentice
    I'm not a fan of his, something about the guy..
    Read tonight that he is against having a minimum wage of $15/hr, while the living wage in Edmonton is $16.31/hr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    But will it last???? http://business.financialpost.com/co...-in-2018-study

    Where all these*cough* green jobs???
    The nice thing about paying carbon taxes is that I don't have to let eco-fascists make me feel guilty about my carbon footprint anymore. Now that we pay these taxes, the government has the money they need to cool the planet's air!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    But will it last???? http://business.financialpost.com/co...-in-2018-study

    Where all these*cough* green jobs???
    The nice thing about paying carbon taxes is that I don't have to let eco-fascists make me feel guilty about my carbon footprint anymore. Now that we pay these taxes, the government has the money they need to cool the planet's air!
    And hopefully some revenue stability that the PCs repeatedly preferred to do without and so accentuated the boom-bust economic volatility and walked everyone into calamitous crisis management, knee jerk, slash and burn conditions that otherwise might have been conditions for generating greater future opportunities for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    But will it last???? http://business.financialpost.com/co...-in-2018-study

    Where all these*cough* green jobs???
    The nice thing about paying carbon taxes is that I don't have to let eco-fascists make me feel guilty about my carbon footprint anymore. Now that we pay these taxes, the government has the money they need to cool the planet's air!
    Just in our little area though..lol!

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    Company defends Rachel Notley's support for the oilsands after Brian Jean attacks NDP

    An oilsands company is defending the Alberta NDP government, after a United Conservative Party leadership candidate accused Premier Rachel Notley of wanting to shut down the industry.UCP leadership hopeful Brian Jean told a roomful of oilsands professionals Tuesday that Notley and the the NDP wanted to "close down the oilsands."
    But one day after Jean's comments, Satoshi Abe, the president of Japan Canada Oil Sands Ltd. (JACOS), said he supports the carbon tax."I think, not only for us, but all energy companies know that we have to address the concerns of climate change," Abe said Wednesday. "I would like the government to take the leadership on that."

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    I like how the Japanese investment firm said they can turn a profit of $40 Oil. Hangingstone might just be the catalyst to get other's to limb on board. I hate to say this, but good on you RN
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    This just in: companies adjust and operate within constantly changing regulatory frameworks. Changes that are good for humanity get applauded after the initial outrage. I recall some disgruntlement when a government close by decided that slavery wasn't a good idea anymore. Businesses survived.
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    Thanks Guzuki.

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    I like how the Japanese investment firm said they can turn a profit of $40 Oil. Hangingstone might just be the catalyst to get other's to limb on board.
    You think they'd say they couldn't, on camera?
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    Its ~ a $2B project. They could have said something like. "We'll see how it goes,"
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    This isn't some small potatoes mom and pop operation. What they say publicly has real world ramifications, especially around stock price. If they say they're on board with a carbon tax, they're on board with it.
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    The fact that they are willing to invest here at all speaks to their confidence in the oil patch.


    I got to give it to the RN Govt. on this one though.
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    Their investment began long before RN came on the scene. Now they're trying to protect their sunk costs.
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    ^ Its a good project regardless
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    The rural vote is the king makers in Alberta. NDP passed them off, so they are done. End of their story.
    And Bill 6 did nothing but distance the NDP from rural Alberta.
    Bill 6 has had virtually no negative impact on anyone yet it's still talked about like some kind of ongoing atrocity that is ruining lives. It's a garbage talking point that people need to get over.
    Under 20% of Alberta's population is rural now - the percentage has been steadily declining for many, many decades. Even with smaller rural constituencies, they now have much less than 1/2 the seats. I don't think Bill 6 really matters as much as some think - much of the opposition rhetoric about it was very overblown and if people realize the sky is not falling before the next election, it will have even less impact.
    I think you're 100% right. The only reason the rural areas punch above their weight is because of the bizarre electoral boundaries. Now that those are being reviewed, the rural areas will have much less influence going forward. Personally, I'm all for this.

    It reminds me, though, that we should be getting the final report from the ABEBC any day now...
    No offence intended.

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    http://www.torontosun.com/2017/10/19...ergy-policies-killed-jobs

    A new study by the Fraser Institute released this week suggests rising electricity prices caused by Ontario’s green energy policies, ended up costing more jobs than they created.
    I bet we have this to come..

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    NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, Rachel Notley take opposing sides on Trans Mountain

    “There are a number of matters on which I agree with my colleagues in the federal party, but this is not one of them. I’ve been very clear on that from day one and I will continue to be clear on that.”
    “When you are actually in the position of governing – which many advocates in the NDP who are opposed to the pipeline are not – the fact of the matter is you have an obligation to think about the well-being of all the people you represent.”
    “Premier Notley has the most aggressive and comprehensive climate change policy in Canada,” Singh said. “We won’t achieve our climate change goals as a nation if we don’t have a premier like Premier Notley in government in Alberta.”

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    Calgary to have Canada's fastest growing economy this year, Conference Board says - Calgary - CBC News

    Report forecasts Calgary's GDP will increase by 4.6% and Edmonton's by 3.9%

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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...2017-1.4358400

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    Growth to slow next year

    Slight increases in oil prices spurred some renewed investments and increased drilling, the report found, but companies are likely to limit large-scale investments if prices, as projected, stay well below pre-2015 highs.



    Right....

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    Calgary to have Canada's fastest growing economy this year, Conference Board says - Calgary - CBC News

    Report forecasts Calgary's GDP will increase by 4.6% and Edmonton's by 3.9%

    Sarah Rieger · CBC News
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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...2017-1.4358400
    As with all things economic, this must be Notley's fault, maybe Nenshi's too.

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    NDP- Deleting eight hundred thousand emails, hmm. Privacy commission checking into it..√

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    ^Probably all 'I hate Jason Kenney' type emails.
    No sweat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    ^Probably all 'I hate Jason Kenney' type emails.
    No sweat.
    Yeah, probably, with just cause I'd say..😊👍

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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...ober-1.4385759

    Alberta added thousands more jobs in October, according to the latest monthly estimate from Statistics Canada, and the unemployment rate ticked slightly downward.
    "Employment rose by 12,000 in Alberta, all in full-time work," the agency said Friday in a release.
    Luckily for the regressive illiberals in denial about what is happening, they can still log into TheRebel/Financial Post/Sun newspaper today and get their normal daily dose of woe is me, the evils of socialism, how the dippers are killing the oilpatch, etc.....
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    http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/canad...onth-1.3661963

    The economy added 35,300 jobs in October but the unemployment rate crept higher, with more young people looking for work, Statistics Canada said Friday.


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    The economy added 35,300 jobs in October but the unemployment rate crept higher, with more young people looking for work, Statistics Canada said Friday.

    Damn those Alberta NDP! They're raising unemployment rates in Ontario, Quebec & PEI!
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    FO, N!

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    FO, N!
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    The economy added 35,300 jobs in October but the unemployment rate crept higher, with more young people looking for work, Statistics Canada said Friday.

    Cause? Summer jobs over so now more are looking maybe? Plus more may now have that thing called “hope” and so are now trying reenter the labour market.???? I don’t know. 35,300 jobs? Sounds good. (I know people needing less than 1 FTE positions though, and they can’t find anything but full time offerings - which would screw up their family situations.)

    The bottom line is that whether you are a left or right wing nut, when the big jobs number is positive, that’s all that counts when they’re flogging their own propaganda on how many jobs their own policies created. It’s all mostly BS as they play with selective statistics and/or ‘game’ the methodology and reporting. (Shadow stats has a great piece on the Clinton admin.’s changes to inflation calcs. In the 1990s.)

    Life and the economy are complex subjects that politicians and party supporters don’t want to touch with a ten foot pole when they want to grab credit or hurl insults at the opposition. The game is one of simplistic, simpleton, “good” or “bad” “sound bites” to further their own greedy agendas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    The economy added 35,300 jobs in October but the unemployment rate crept higher, with more young people looking for work, Statistics Canada said Friday.

    Cause? Summer jobs over so now more are looking maybe? Plus more may now have that thing called “hope” and so are now trying reenter the labour market.???? I don’t know. 35,300 jobs? Sounds good. (I know people needing less than 1 FTE positions though, and they can’t find anything but full time offerings - which would screw up their family situations.)

    The bottom line is that whether you are a left or right wing nut, when the big jobs number is positive, that’s all that counts when they’re flogging their own propaganda on how many jobs their own policies created. It’s all mostly BS as they play with selective statistics and/or ‘game’ the methodology and reporting. (Shadow stats has a great piece on the Clinton admin.’s changes to inflation calcs. In the 1990s.)

    Life and the economy are complex subjects that politicians and party supporters don’t want to touch with a ten foot pole when they want to grab credit or hurl insults at the opposition. The game is one of simplistic, simpleton, “good” or “bad” “sound bites” to further their own greedy agendas.
    They can twist numbers every which way they want, we are in huge debt all over the bloody country..it is a game

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    They can twist numbers every which way they want, we are in huge debt all over the bloody country..it is a game
    This is hilarious, given that you posted irrelevant national unemployment stats in a provincial politics thread in an effort to undercut & twist the positive news in the province.

    Your lack of self-awareness never fails to provide me with a chuckle.
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    ^^the cause is pretty obvious, there have been massive layoffs in Calgary and Edmonton. When you drop by about 20%, it takes about 5 years of 5% growth to get back to that original level - its easy to grow when you are tiny. The good news is things are stabilizing, the bad news, is stability isn't enough to get everyone working again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^^the cause is pretty obvious, there have been massive layoffs in Calgary and Edmonton. When you drop by about 20%, it takes about 5 years of 5% growth to get back to that original level.
    Yup!

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    'Compassionate cuts' coming to health and education.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...nion-1.4411768

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    " Both Smith and Jeffery said the province should consider raising taxes instead. "


    Well of course.

    What else would they say.

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    It’s sad. They really have dropped the ball in terms of their communications over the last couple years. Opportunity lost. Simple clarity lost.

    Whenever any government engages in creating a “soft landing”, avoiding panic and a downward spiralling economic crisis of budget cuts, mass layoffs, housing markets collapse and thousands of business bankruptcies, etc. - massive costs are involved. They needed to hammer home at the time that they were saving everyone’s butts and demand credit for doing so and point out that when the economy stabilized, a big bill would be due.

    So now in a largely deficit restored economy that creates a sense of calm, the government/NDP are just going to have to face a lot of ingrates pushing back rather than just feeling lucky to still even have jobs and pensions.

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    Public unions in Alberta have been somehow avoiding this for a decade. I feel bad saying it to my teacher, nurse, firefighter, etc friends, but the gravy train can't continue. When they're paid 20-30% more than their peers in markets with higher costs of living, it's clear there's a gap. In the private sector the cost of labour fluctuates. In 2007 and 2013 private sector paid excessive amounts for bodies. The public sector bargained for increases to entice workers. Then the market dropped, but those public sector wages remain while the private sector wages receded.

    Some rollbacks of 2, 5, 10% or whatever are not unreasonable when we're out of money to pay them. Maybe we need PST, but I would argue that any PST comes with an identical match in wage rollbacks from the public sector. The unions can't have their cake and eat it too.
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    My unionized contract rate is at the 50th percentile vs industry peers & I get modest CoL increases every year to let me keep treading water.

    Is this excessive to you or do you feel I should be somehow punished because I'm in a union & enjoy the benefits of collective bargaining?
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    And thanks to higher than necessary wages we have some understaffed services ( I hear about healthcare). I would like to see a small rollback and then a freeze. Some contracts had bonus clauses that should be easy to remove without having to roll back base wages which would be much more difficult. If we can get the 2% -5% rollback and another 10% with a 4-5 year freeze I think that would be a great start.

    We do need some sort of increase in taxes to even with cost cutting, and any tax increase would have an impact on those public workers too.

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    Not all public contracts are higher than they should be, for some anything more than removal of temporary bonuses/incentives would be too much. Teachers, RNs, firefighters and police are paid well. Some others aren't, like LPNs and educational assistants, are not.
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    I remember a few years back reading an article in regards to Alberta nurses. A lot of them are part timers. I guess 32 hours and under per week is considered part time. Most nurses work a 10-12 hours shift. When there was a shortage of nurses a lot of nurses were getting paid overtime once they had went over their 32 hour part time status. If they worked 3 days on a 10 hour shift and they were needed for 4 days the 4th day they were paid 8 hours of overtime money. If they were required to work a 12 hours shift the 3rd. day they were on 4 hours overtime. Of course, being a shortage a lot of nurses were asked to work longer hours and extra days. so they really reaped rewards in the way of overtime pay. The government of the day signed the contract for these part time workers and knew they would end up paying a lot of overtime. The nurses were making more money working part time and working overtime than they would have working full time. The government knew they were getting ripped off but the contract was already signed.
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    My unionized contract rate is at the 50th percentile vs industry peers & I get modest CoL increases every year to let me keep treading water.

    Is this excessive to you or do you feel I should be somehow punished because I'm in a union & enjoy the benefits of collective bargaining?
    Re-read my post. I mentioned the sectors paid significantly more than their peers. That means not 50th percentile vs industry. So probably not you. But even if it somehow does make its way to you, would your collective bargain vote for a 5% wage rollback or 5% reduced workforce? Over the last 3 years 100% of my private sector clients who had to make that choice and put the choice in the hands of their employees went for the former. Less money sucked, but it was way better than no money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    My unionized contract rate is at the 50th percentile vs industry peers & I get modest CoL increases every year to let me keep treading water.

    Is this excessive to you or do you feel I should be somehow punished because I'm in a union & enjoy the benefits of collective bargaining?
    If money was paramount then would you be there?

    Also, does the disparity include benefits? DB vs DC plans, group benefits, etc. Then there’s longevity / turnover issues and the certainty of long term employment vs more uncertain workplaces.

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    ^My wife is a Casual RN. Whatever shifts she signs up for are straight time, the only overtime she gets is if they ask her to stay longer, like to turn a 8 hour shift into an 12 after she's already there.

    From what I hear, artificially low staffing levels introduced for cost management are responsible for a significant portion of overtime hours. I don't think there's a shortage of nurses, but there is often a shortage of nurses hired to work a specific unit. Hiring freezes will do that.
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    ^The article I read was from a few years back and was when Alberta was booming. Swimming in cash a lot of people jumped on the gravy train (not just unions). The nurses union fleeced the government big time with their part time and overtime strategy. Worked their 32 hours and almost guaranteed overtime. Most of the private sector's normal work week was 40 hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    My unionized contract rate is at the 50th percentile vs industry peers & I get modest CoL increases every year to let me keep treading water.

    Is this excessive to you or do you feel I should be somehow punished because I'm in a union & enjoy the benefits of collective bargaining?
    Re-read my post. I mentioned the sectors paid significantly more than their peers. That means not 50th percentile vs industry. So probably not you. But even if it somehow does make its way to you, would your collective bargain vote for a 5% wage rollback or 5% reduced workforce? Over the last 3 years 100% of my private sector clients who had to make that choice and put the choice in the hands of their employees went for the former. Less money sucked, but it was way better than no money.

    Say the agricultural sector suffers a collapse, oil sector businesses and employees would likely protest vehemently any suggestion of a large bail out of farmers. And vice versa.

    So there could be an argument that government workers performing tasks unrelated to the energy sector should not be penalized for someone else’s problems. However, many employees within companies and sectors perform functions not directly tied to the area or sector experiencing revenue problems. Nonetheless, when troubles hit a lot of “innocent bystander” employees also take a hit maybe loosing their jobs as their employers fail. A simple reality is that pain tends to spread and be shared.

    When government revenues collapse, that pain can be shared by those innocent bystanders too. It can also be shared by taxpayers, many whom are already sharing in the pain via private sector mechanisms of cost cutting ad well as previous government moves to spread the pain and help bail out whatever sector is in trouble. Hence our debt and higher taxes on the larger companies while smaller and likely more vulnerable companies were given tax cuts.

    As for government employees: Here the latest oil boom piled on demands on teachers (innocent bystanders) but also grew the need for more teachers and likely assisted in the bail out of their pensions. They were both collateral damage and beneficiaries. However, I could sure see the government coming in and saying that they’ve already borrowed to soften the blow and now salary cuts are necessary. Moreover, that any attempt to not share the pain and instead create “sacrificial lambs” through job cuts would be totally unacceptable. Raising taxes to raise compensation is also totally unacceptable as the goal has to be sharing the pain and expanding the workforce and reducing unemployment - not increasing unemployment and economic misery for the unlucky few.
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    Unions think they should go up! LOL, head out of your @sses union leaders

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