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    Thanks for the reply. I'm in one of my moments, heh, I get them..

    Feeling sad about the club. I do think this will turn out to be defining moment of the season for this club. Which will be magnified from here on.

    The most disturbing aspect is all the behind the scenes commentary that Franklin will be a Rider next season and that Jones will finally have his QB in Saskatchewan. I do think with that in play, and that it will occur, that the Riders could even win the Cup. Franklin is very good.

    I'm torn because I love Reilly, he is the present, but Franklin is the future. Franklin is quite possibly the best QB in this league, and he's sitting, and he's going to be moving on. One could see the indelible connection between Maas and Reilly that isn't going away. But I can also see a future Franklin, on another club, undressing us fully.

    That was the hardest thing to see last night with Jones basically laughing about Franklin possibilities. He would know he has an inside track with the young QB as well. If Franklin is going anywhere, its to the riders. When that happens the shitshow is complete.
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    The defence played well enough to win the game. There was only three minutes difference in time of possession. This loss can be attributed to brutal special teams and offence play. Mike Reilly was terrible last night. I have to think it was his worst performance as an Eskimo. I count seven horrendous special teams plays.

    Does anybody use a two quarterback system anymore? I don't think so but if you can go half a game with only getting 6 or 7 points you should expect to be replaced.

    As far as the LDC goes for the last decade or so it has usually been a super hyped Calgary team throttling the Eskimos. It is amazing the Eskimos still have an edge in the series. If I was the CEO of the Eskimos I would put an end to the game being played in Calgary every year. Why do them favours?

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    Why do them favors? I share the concern but it is part of the "Eskimos way" and that was most prevalent during Hugh Campbells term here and a belief that the benefit of the league, and of other teams sometimes takes precedence over select benefit of the Eskimos. The Eskimos have ceded this game because Calgary has always needed it more from a gate standpoint.

    I don't agree with the above, but its the backstory.

    Have to say I've done a 180 on my recent Mike Reilly view since last week, heh, I'll own that. He was terrible, but is he playing injured? Bad news in anycase.

    Teams not using a two QB system is silly. For the most part its because few teams have 2 capable guys to go. But its silly for the Esks and Leos not to use it.

    I can't see any scenario in which the Esks prevail in Calgary. That team will be jacked to play us. I doubt the Esks will be a motivated or prepared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I'm in one of my moments, heh, I get them..

    Feeling sad about the club. I do think this will turn out to be defining moment of the season for this club. Which will be magnified from here on.

    The most disturbing aspect is all the behind the scenes commentary that Franklin will be a Rider next season and that Jones will finally have his QB in Saskatchewan. I do think with that in play, and that it will occur, that the Riders could even win the Cup. Franklin is very good.

    I'm torn because I love Reilly, he is the present, but Franklin is the future. Franklin is quite possibly the best QB in this league, and he's sitting, and he's going to be moving on. One could see the indelible connection between Maas and Reilly that isn't going away. But I can also see a future Franklin, on another club, undressing us fully.

    That was the hardest thing to see last night with Jones basically laughing about Franklin possibilities. He would know he has an inside track with the young QB as well. If Franklin is going anywhere, its to the riders. When that happens the shitshow is complete.
    It's all good.

    I think we'll finish 3rd in the West when the playoffs begin. Your opinion makes sense.

    After watching Franklin play, he's got a good arm and a pass completion rate of over 80%

    I think Franklin is where Ricky Ray was during his last year here. Franklin could be our future as well. If we let Franklin go, it could bite us big time. Here's a good feature on James Franklin:


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    What a disaster and heartbreaker. Riley's worst game I have seen too - couldn't connect with anything. We could sure use a bi week about now.
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    ^ We already had one. I think there are 2/season right? When is our next one?
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    When has Reilly ever had the same receivers for 2 games straight this season? I am sure the offense has had to work with a simplified playbook with so many guys playing offensive positions for the first time.

    This is a bit of a rough patch, but if they can finally get a stable roster for the last 4 weeks of the season I think this team can with the Grey Cup.

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    Ok, too many penalties is what did us in.
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    Too many turn overs.

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    Another bed-wetting. Gave me some impetus to clean my kitchen. Turnovers, bad penalties, indifferent coverage, it seems that now that the Esks have to play western teams, their injuries are hitting them hard.
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    I gave up early so I don't know if MR's duties were required. Did the coach replace him in the 2nd half?
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    Reilly stayed in the entire game.

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    Was afraid this would happen, so spent a sun drenched day watching the Tour of Alberta instead.

    Some serious soul-searching required.
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    Well the awesome thing is that the bigs start for real tomorrow !

    And nobody will give a fuq about the CFL anymore.

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    Plenty of people will, I for one don't/won't watch the NFL.

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    I start watching NFL after the Grey Cup game.

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    CFL is no 1 with me, NFL a distant second.

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    I hate the NFL. We do have bigger balls!

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    Derel Walker is back with the Green and Gold

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    That's too bad.

    Top_Dawg would have liked to see how he fared in the bigs.

    He had to impress the Bucs coaching staff with incredible hands and athleticism because he's not tall enough to play wide out in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    Derel Walker is back with the Green and Gold
    Good news indeed. I can't wait for the rubber match on Saturday.

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    A heartbreaker, but the Eskimos played better tonight.
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    ^ Heartbreaker? That was a farce. A self inflicted wound. Maas explodes because of challenge call that didn't go his way, then the throat gesture that cost Esks the game. There's nobody to blame for the Eskimo's loss at Commonwealth but the Eskimo players themselves. The better team on the field was the Calgary Stampeders. Bo Levi Mitchell is the best quarter back in the league. With all that said, I still believe in Mike Reilly.
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    The throat gesture cost them the game imho, they know that.
    I think Reilly is still the best QB..

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ Heartbreaker? That was a farce. A self inflicted wound. Maas explodes because of challenge call that didn't go his way, then the throat gesture that cost Esks the game. There's nobody to blame for the Eskimo's loss at Commonwealth but the Eskimo players themselves. The better team on the field was the Calgary Stampeders. Bo Levi Mitchell is the best quarter back in the league. With all that said, I still believe in Mike Reilly.
    What? That was the best game the Esks have played all season. The intensity was jacked all game and the Esks were punishing the stamps all over the field. Edmonton won the offensive battle, the defensive battle, but lost special teams and fought penalties. In a game where the Stamps were gifted a TD on a questionable PI call, and where they got a FG off a flubbed punt snap.

    Still, the Esks were winning the game with 40 secs left and in position to tie with zero secs left. Against a club that is basically unbeatable in regular season.

    Play like this against the Stamps in the playoffs and we win. Stamps have never been hit so hard all year. This was a slobberknocker and great game to watch.

    Mike Reilly? Threw for 471yds against the best D the CFL has ever seen. Carved them up and down the field repeatedly and Stamps basically had no answer to the Esks vaunted passing game that was getting it done all day. Only a putrid running game was costing us drives. Perkins is a pathetic starter RB with zero leg strength that can't run an inch against the Stamps. Any decent running game and we win this one going away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ Heartbreaker? That was a farce. A self inflicted wound. Maas explodes because of challenge call that didn't go his way, then the throat gesture that cost Esks the game. There's nobody to blame for the Eskimo's loss at Commonwealth but the Eskimo players themselves. The better team on the field was the Calgary Stampeders. Bo Levi Mitchell is the best quarter back in the league. With all that said, I still believe in Mike Reilly.
    You clearly didn't watch the game, the Esks and especially Mike Reilly outplayed the Stamps, they just couldn't beat the completely awful referees.

    Reilly - 37/47 (79%) for 461 yards passing
    Mitchell - 21/36 (58%) for 272 yards passing
    25-19 in first downs for us
    Total yards 480-331 for us
    34 min to 26 in time of possession for us

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    The Esks need a reliable kicker. If they had that, they would've won that game.

    All losses are bad, but the Esks proved they can go toe-to-toe with any team in the CFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    The Esks need a reliable kicker. If they had that, they would've won that game.

    All losses are bad, but the Esks proved they can go toe-to-toe with any team in the CFL.
    Of course they can, some people must have splinters in their bums!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ Heartbreaker? That was a farce. A self inflicted wound. Maas explodes because of challenge call that didn't go his way, then the throat gesture that cost Esks the game. There's nobody to blame for the Eskimo's loss at Commonwealth but the Eskimo players themselves. The better team on the field was the Calgary Stampeders. Bo Levi Mitchell is the best quarter back in the league. With all that said, I still believe in Mike Reilly.
    You clearly didn't watch the game, the Esks and especially Mike Reilly outplayed the Stamps, they just couldn't beat the completely awful referees.

    Reilly - 37/47 (79%) for 461 yards passing
    Mitchell - 21/36 (58%) for 272 yards passing
    25-19 in first downs for us
    Total yards 480-331 for us
    34 min to 26 in time of possession for us
    I watched it all cover to cover, even the hit Reilly, took that had him go off the field for 3 plays. It was great seeing Gizmo on the sidelines, and the guys in he stands wearing Eskimo' standing up. And the botched field goal by are kicker at the end. Your also forgetting we had 10 1st downs in the first half. I watched was (it Maston) that got taken out and their guy got hauled out before Almondo Sewell made sure he was ok. Sewell is a class act. Your also forgetting our 2 interceptions, and Calgary's 2 botched field goals. Sure all the stats you provided are nice and all. I won't be able to watch next weekends game because I'll be at Ft Edmonton pk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    ^ Heartbreaker? That was a farce. A self inflicted wound. Maas explodes because of challenge call that didn't go his way, then the throat gesture that cost Esks the game. There's nobody to blame for the Eskimo's loss at Commonwealth but the Eskimo players themselves. The better team on the field was the Calgary Stampeders. Bo Levi Mitchell is the best quarter back in the league. With all that said, I still believe in Mike Reilly.
    What? That was the best game the Esks have played all season. The intensity was jacked all game and the Esks were punishing the stamps all over the field. Edmonton won the offensive battle, the defensive battle, but lost special teams and fought penalties. In a game where the Stamps were gifted a TD on a questionable PI call, and where they got a FG off a flubbed punt snap.

    Still, the Esks were winning the game with 40 secs left and in position to tie with zero secs left. Against a club that is basically unbeatable in regular season.

    Play like this against the Stamps in the playoffs and we win. Stamps have never been hit so hard all year. This was a slobberknocker and great game to watch.

    Mike Reilly? Threw for 471yds against the best D the CFL has ever seen. Carved them up and down the field repeatedly and Stamps basically had no answer to the Esks vaunted passing game that was getting it done all day. Only a putrid running game was costing us drives. Perkins is a pathetic starter RB with zero leg strength that can't run an inch against the Stamps. Any decent running game and we win this one going away.
    The Esks have yet to play their best game this season, that's coming up. Calgary (although it pains me to admit this) is the best CFL team in the league right now. How many penalty's has that intensity cost us last night? Eskimo's played well enough on Home turf and played well against the best in the West. I agree about the pass interference call.

    Eskimos held the lead 22-18.

    It was great to see Derel Walker score that TD

    The running game was mediocre to say the least
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    I didn't buy in to the TSN comments that the intensity of the Esks was inappropriate. This is a tale of two football clubs and times. One has to consider that there has been no regular season team so dominant as the Stamps since the 78-82 Esks. The good news is that Esks team actually won several GC's. Calgary can be beat in the playoffs. That's the difference but they are regular season lions.
    To beat a football team better than you are you HAVE to beat their intensity. You have to be jacked.

    I also didn't mention that the Esks had a TD called back on a borderline offside call. Basically every big call, and about a 100 extra yds in penalties, went against the Esks. Remove the officials from the field and the game played on the field wasn't even close. Stamps have been getting this kind of preferential calls for years.
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    TSN CFL guys are not as open as TSN hockey guys it seems.

    I think Esks fortunes are going to change on Saturday in Toronto.
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    Loved the format yesterday of 3 consecutive games. After labour day it would be great to see the CFL continue with 1 Friday night game and 3 Saturday games. After October 1st I would like to see them play only afternoon games in Edmonton, Calgary, Regina and Winnipeg due to the cooler/colder evenings.

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    I like a spread out format for a league featuring only 9 clubs and so only 4 games per week. Having 3 of those on one day basically removes the league from consideration any other day. Leading to such things as no Sunday game.

    To me 3 games in a row is the CFL blowing the wad all at once. Plus that I am incapable of watching one game after another and thankfully so. The Esks game took nearly 3.5hrs to play. I couldn't imagine watching even two games in a row and the sedentary nature of that viewing.
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    I have always thought it would be a good idea to focus on 2 days, similar to what the NFL did with Sunday and Monday night football or College football on Saturdays.

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    Just as an aside, but I can't ever comprehend the attention some things speciously get in the press is UFC, that wasn't even sold out, with thousands of tickets available yesterday, maybe 15K in attendance gets front page 2 fold billing in the Sun and the first two pages in the sports section. 4 complete dedicated pages of coverage. Clearly receiving primary coverage. I don't know a single person that goes to these events and apparently few do but anyway.

    Meanwhile second half of the BOA is on in Edmonton at glorious Commonwealth Stadium, 35K in attendance, a fantastic game, our National League, and it gets page 3,4 in sports section second billing. In the biggest regular season game of the year.

    Try to justify this. UFC really seems to be losing appeal. But they still seem to be media darlings. CFL could use some more media love in this country.

    I thought front page news was supposed to be about primary events and the biggest happenings. How was UFC bigger than the Esks game last night? A rethink is in order.
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    Because the UFC was here in Edmonton, I think for the first time. I mean, I couldn't give a rats' arse either but I do understand why it would be headline material because of it.
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    Watching some of the playbacks, man I can see why Jason was so upset!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    Because the UFC was here in Edmonton, I think for the first time. I mean, I couldn't give a rats' arse either but I do understand why it would be headline material because of it.
    This.

    I don't care about UFC either, but we have 9 Eskimos home games every year, and UFC is a rare sporting event. I can see why it attracted a lot of media attention.

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    So why is the Davis Cup, the first time its been here in 20years not attracting the same attention? The Tennis Pro tour, and the Davis Cup is much bigger than the UFC and high level Tennis is much more viewed and attended than UFC. Plus that way more people play tennis than compete in MMA. So why the fascination with blood and guts UFC?

    The Davis Cup draw here could use some love.

    Plus that the Davis Cup is here for 3 days, is a national team event, and as a Nation we could be supporting it, instead of another US invocation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    So why is the Davis Cup, the first time its been here in 20years not attracting the same attention?
    It has been hosted here before.

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    So why is the Davis Cup, the first time its been here in 20years not attracting the same attention?
    It has been hosted here before.
    Over 20yrs ago. Clearly its an event on similar, if not greater grounds and featuring a young player that is considered one of the quick rising stars of the game and perhaps a new Federer. Canada is a budding Tennis power in the world and the premier international tennis competition is being hosted here and precious little articles on it. Anything I see in the media is primarily paid for adds.

    Perhaps because this is being hosted at Rexall its getting no love. The last one was at the Butterdome, was 1996, and Canada against Chile. It was great entertainment. A 3-2 hardfought win for Canada.
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    I don't disagree. I just think this UFC event was more of a novelty, since it was the first.


    At any rate, as far as the Eskimos go, I think their biggest holes now are at the running back position and kicker/punter. They aren't going to win anything without those. They have a massive offensive line, and should be racking up yardage on the ground, but Perkins isn't the guy to do it.

    Their defense is playing well enough to win it all. Even against calgary, they came up with 2 big turnovers late in the 4th quarter, but the offense couldn't capitalize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Watching some of the playbacks, man I can see why Jason was so upset!
    I need to review this as well, do have a link please?
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    Ol' Kavis returns to the bench after shitcanning his head coach and defensive co-ordinator.

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/diffe...426/story.html

    This should be good.

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    Interesting. For a second I kept thinking Reed was still a Eskimo, lol
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    In an effort to reduce injuries, the CFL has ended padded full-contact practices in the regular season, and next year each team will get 3 bye weeks (instead of 2):

    http://www.tsn.ca/cfl-immediately-en...tices-1.855515

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    I'm wondering as well if some injuries have other causes. For instance ever since Commonwealth moved from natural grass to turf theres been more injuries. They also around the same time started practicing indoors at the indoor practice field.

    The Esks used to play, and practice on real grass with more forgiving ground. I'm not a big fan of artificial surfaces and a lot of injuries you see is when legs, feet, etc are trapped or planted too firmly on a cut or tackle. With grass the grass gives. In effect there is too much traction on artificial turf.

    I tend to think that 5-10 yrs from now it will be commonly deduced that the play and practice fields are causing a lot of the problems.
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    The Esks seem to have had a lot more players injure their knees in the years since Commonwealth switched from grass to turf.

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    Are there any other cfl teams that have grass on their fields?
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    No, we were the last to remove it though it may be back in 2026 if we host any of the World Cup.

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    I will be ****** if we manage to lose to the Argos.

    Team needs to come out flying and grab this game. Play like they did against the Stamps and they got this. But I don't know if the Esks will be as up for this game. They really need to turn it around right now. WC is TIGHT.
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    Bowel Movement Field is mostly natural grass.

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    Hugh O'Neill will be out of a job.
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    31-15 Argos in the third after a return all the way on an Esks missed field goal. What has happened to the Esks. Maybe they'll come back in the fourth.
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    Could have won it, except the officials blew three calls in a row in Argos favour.

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    At least we have a bi week coming up. Two not called head buts in a row? C'mon now.
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    Hugh O'Neill will be out of a job.
    You say this like its a bad thing. The hiring of him and Milo is reminding me of the good enuf reign of terror during Macciocia.

    This is obviously not capable personnel and today cost us two FG's plus the return for a TD. For a swing total of 13pts. That's the game folks. That he kicked it wide farside is even more culpable. Any JF coach tells the kicker whatever you do don't kick it wide far side. That's a hell of a harder cover and just plays into the hands of the returner. You learn this in football by age 16,

    Anyway I'm disgusted with a club that predictably didn't play the first half and as if they didn't need to.

    Shame on the Esks expecting to pull out a result in the 4th quarter after sucking most of the way.

    Gotta say it too. Our D front is supposed to be class of the league. They left gaping run holes all day. Gap coverage was terrible. Argos with over 200yds rushing, yikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    At least we have a bi week coming up. Two not called head buts in a row? C'mon now.
    This.

    Incredible isn't it. How can the star player in the league be hit helmet to helmet two weeks in a row and it not be called. Even worse its astounding it wasn't called this week after everybody and their dog knew the league screwed it up last week pulling Reilly for 3 downs for concussion protocol and somehow in that neglecting to call an obvious helmet to helmet hit.

    Gotta love as well how two challenge calls, both involving Duke Williams, both somehow go against us. Lord help us.

    Could the officiating be anymore one sided?

    I don't know if this happens to any other club to this degree.

    But overall excuses are for losers. The Esks decided not to make sure of this result. That's their own fault.
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    The Esks gotta fix their kicking problem. If you can't kick for points in football, you're screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    At least we have a bi week coming up. Two not called head buts in a row? C'mon now.
    This.

    Incredible isn't it. How can the star player in the league be hit helmet to helmet two weeks in a row and it not be called. Even worse its astounding it wasn't called this week after everybody and their dog knew the league screwed it up last week pulling Reilly for 3 downs for concussion protocol and somehow in that neglecting to call an obvious helmet to helmet hit.

    Gotta love as well how two challenge calls, both involving Duke Williams, both somehow go against us. Lord help us.

    Could the officiating be anymore one sided?

    I don't know if this happens to any other club to this degree.

    But overall excuses are for losers. The Esks decided not to make sure of this result. That's their own fault.
    Don't you get the feeling like the league is against clubs that are on a roll? Colour commentating during the Winnipeg game were all over the Esks, panning the camera to Bomber fans with signs, "The streak ends tonight," and of course officiating gets a brain fart and sides with the fans looking for anything they can give the home team.

    Officiating is too bias against the Eskimos because of that 7-0 record.

    Mass already used his challenge flag before the head but, Argo's could have done anything they wanted. The CFL should go back to the 3 challenge's per game but not more then 1 in each quarter.

    I agree with everything you just said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    The Esks gotta fix their kicking problem. If you can't kick for points in football, you're screwed.
    I tuned out after Q3 but what was that 6-8 points lost on the kick?

    At least we're still playing 500 football
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    We lost 5 points on missed kicks (one single), plus another 7 on the return from the end zone (and convert), a total of 12 points.
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    That would have won the game for us right there.


    We really miss Sean Whyte's high field goal % here.
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    ^We do. But we were playing the Toronto Argonauts. Should the game even come down to FG's?

    Almost any WC club is blowing EC opponents away. Now the Esks are having trouble even with the East?


    Something deeper is wrong with this club and I first detected something odd in the Sask and Bombers games. At which point I was told the sky isn't falling. The Esks are in danger of not even making the playoffs as strange as that sounds given they started 7-0. Only one club gets a crossover.

    Heres something troubling and I can't figure it out. Whens the last time you saw Willis make a big play. Whens the last time you saw Bowman make a big play. Whens the last time you saw Reilly having a really solid outing (Calgary, but only one in last 5) I wonder how many of these guys are playing through injury still and not really healthy.

    The other line of thinking is that this club was just staggering towards its week off bye. They've played a lot of football in the last month, lost all the games. Somewhere this team hit a wall, through injury, I can understand that, I can't comprehend how the team is healthy now and playing worse than its played. This weekend was the worst performance of the season.
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    Well, hopefully our fortunes will turn after the bye week. I got a feeling there's going to be a major announcement this week.
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    I'll just posit a theory that the firing of Hervey wasn't popular with everybody. I think the 7-0 start kind of hid what dissatisfaction there could be presently on this club.

    As well hard for the players not to note That Hervey style management recruited a kicker like Whyte when the team needed help in that area.

    Present management is recruiting guys like Milo and O Neil.

    The former management recruited a GC calibre club. Present management is fielding a watered down version. This being particularly notable on special teams, and in the secondary.

    The reality is with present management we've returned to just being another team.

    I really feel Hervey did a solid job here recruiting talent and filling needed spots. I miss that.

    That said we're stronger at receiver position than ever but that's the exception, not the rule on this squad.
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    Ticats beating the Leos is about the best possible news for the Esks in their bye week.

    Lions are a completely different team, not any good, with Lulay out of action. Always thought Jennings was half baked and overrated. Kid has a great arm and two cent football sense.

    Franklin is a better QB than Jennings imo.

    Leos will probably stay in last place.
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    I miss Ed Hervey.
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    No mention of it here but the Esks have resigned Aaron Grymes who is now back with us from the NFL. That's a big addition, should help shore up some of our weakness and any time you get a guy that flies around like Grymes can it cements what have been some loose holes.

    Feeling better about fortunes despite the 5 game losing streak. CFL after all only matters in the Fall. Whatever team gets hot wins it all. Still time to get this team rolling.
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    What a dud of a game by the Eskimos.
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    I'm afraid this season is all downhill from here, wake me up when its over.
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    I'm more upset about what happened after the game.!
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    That's the 2nd type "terrorist" incident this year. The crazy with a gun just West from me on 50th street and 137 ave early March and now this. I wonder if the 2 are related.

    I'd sure like to know the contents of that U-Haul

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    Theres a thread regarding terrorism so I'll try to leave that topic over there. Terrible incident.

    Anyhow to focus on the game in this thread;

    Esks just can't keep feeling their way into games in the first half. That's especially not acceptable after a bye week. This team should have gone onto the field like it was shot out of a cannon.
    Yet we had Reilly inept who couldn't make a read in the game and seemed not sharp at all. We had no RB as usual. We established very little offensively in the first half. But an interesting stat is that in the first half the average field position of the Bombers when taking possession was midfield. For the Esks it was an average of the 16yd line. That's behind the 8 ball on every series. A lot of that is due to us losing the special teams battles. Also two flubbed punts by guess who. Winnipeg also getting off decent punt returns almost everytime. We just got owned on special teams.

    Next where is Willis, Bowman, and almost the entire Esks secondary. Please report for action. I think Willis and Bowman MUST be playing injured. They can't possibly be this ineffective.

    Zylstra was robbed. Here he is getting over 160yds as receiver, another 20 on returns, and he isn't player of the game. How on Earth is that possible. For anybody watching that game the Heart and Soul of Zylstra trying to carry the Eskimos home on his back was really incredible. He was the best player on the field. Statistically it wasn't close either. He had 40 more yds than Harris and was playing OT saddling the return duties in 2nd half. Zylstras performance in the 2nd half was quite possibly one of the best by any Eskimo (not named Zylstra) this season. Theres the Esks, then there's Zylstra, nobody else is close to the level this guy is playing at.
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    Special teams have become a serious problem for the Esks this year.

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    ^Isn't this usually considered the first sign of a team which is not well run? The Eskimos way, when properly managed, was to have a stable stacked for the special teams, often players that will go on to play D.

    The attitude of present management that guys like Milo or O Neill are good enough is terrible. Thankfully we have Swayze Waters now but we should have had him his entire career. Formerly the club felt Fleming was good enough.

    This team is eroding and it starts with coaching and management. I don't think the team on the field is confident in this coaching and game plan. Winnipeg is a very well coached football club and were better prepared to play this game.

    Also thought the Esks D stunts, the few times we did bring them rarely worked and usually opened up a big Bombers play. Disappointing we were not able to pressure Nichols more. We have a huge front 4 that should be able to do that. Whats wrong with Willis?
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    Bomber players love playing for this guy. Kind of like when we had Chris Jones here. As losses continue to mount I get the feeling that players are losing confidence in Mass etc. When the Riders had their bad year last year, Rider players bought into Chris Jones. Management gave him a chance and kept him for this year. I'm not very confidant about Jason Mass's chances of remaining head coach for next season for reasons mentioned above.
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    Just for the record the Blue Bombers actual average start in the first half was the Winnipeg 46.5 yard line. The Eskimos was the Edmonton 25. Medlock was horrid in his field goal kicking and the Eskimos would have been wise to give up a few singles.

    It appeared to me that the Eskimos wanted to kick low spiralling punts that would bounce before the returner could catch it. It wasn't two punts in the first quarter that were like that it was three. Very little faith in the teams ability to cover being displayed by the coaches. What was a 2 yards per punt advantage for the Bombers turned into a ten yards per punt advantage after returns were factored in.

    The Eskimos have scored 38 first half points in the six losses. That is less than a converted touchdown per half of football. The defence has played well enough to win half of those games but the special teams and anemic offence are killing the them.

    Zylstra's performance was spectacular.

    I would like to see Reilly get pulled when the team isn't producing points. It would be nice to see what Franklin can do.

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    Terry Jones was ripping a hole in the Esks play calling and the fire coaching knives are sure coming out. Of specific note Jones mentioning that we have 3 allstar recievers and they barely touched the ball in the first half and even when they did it was short passes. We didn't stretch the Bombers D once in the first half. We ineffectually ran the ball 11 times trying to establish a run game that simply isn't there.

    By the time we went to our strength, a more dangerous passing game we were scores down the rest of the way.

    The coaching for this team is deserving to be questioned. We have the best receiving core in the CFL and we don't use all of them adequately. Bowman barely touched the ball. The Bombers obviously had zero answer for Zylstra, they couldn't contend with him. But he was only targeted twice in the first half. Go figure.

    I'm not sure who won the toss but it doesn't matter as the Esks always defer having the ball. Not sure why they do that as granting the opposition first possession contributes to a struggle for field position right from the outset. Don't overthink it, just take the ball if you win the toss. Especially coming off a bye week when you should want to establish momentum from the outset.

    Instead we spend one half going with a staid nickel and dime run pass play book that never even got the Bombers D sweating. This is putrid coaching. We have 3 receivers that can burn deep and that can win 50/50 balls. Playing aggressive rather than tentative would have tested the Bombers more.

    Something really strange going on which I figured after we lost to the Riders several weeks ago. If coaches were trying to get fired it would resemble this.
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    Winnipeg won the toss. Mass typically likes to take the ball first whenever he can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
    Winnipeg won the toss. Mass typically likes to take the ball first whenever he can.
    Thanks, I missed the start of the telecast so did not know who won the toss. I started watching from the first Bombers possession.


    This comment is about the coverage. No less than 3 times during this telecast they missed the snap of the ball for a new down due to showing something else like a replay. They even missed showing the snap for a TD play. TSN main camera also missed two fake plays (they were faked out I guess) and panned away from the ball carrier. Pretty amateur telecast. We won't even get into Rod Black and the other doofus.

    Plus does it take too much to show Esks fans in the crowd instead of spamming Bombers fans on an Edmonton telecast? This was like a Bombers home field telecast in every way. Part of the frustrating aspect of watching it. Rod Black even stated Reilly trying to get his empire going after a TD. Is that as in "Evil empire" a derogatory term cast at the Esks by fans around the league and who's own fans don't use the term.. Yeah, so another strange telecast.

    The official reversing a call after a challenge flag on a helmet to helmet hit on Nichols (unintended, Nichols actually lowers his head otherwise there would be no contact) was too much. Black saying Esks fans could be understandably upset. Without even referencing that two previous helmet to helmet hits on Reilly that were both brutal, and both intended, and one in which there was even concussion protocol and Reilly being pulled from the game were not called..

    This season, along with the telecasts, officiating, injuries has been real frustrating.
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    Often times Rod Black looks like he just woke up in the bar he passed out in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post


    Often times Rod Black looks like he just woke up in the bar he passed out in.
    Yeah, 20 years ago he already looked like a drunken douche. Now he looks like an old pickled douche. Man does he ever a lifetime hate on for the Esks. I had to chuckle how exposed it was that he used the "empire" name. (Evil empire)

    Nothing like a neutral telecast...

    Heres a trivia question. Other than Matt Dunnigan what other color commentators that have been Esks have been used through the years. Always seems like its players from other clubs we have to tolerate and most that seemingly despise the Eskimos.
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    If I hear Rod Black refer to Hamilton as " THE HAMMER" one more time I am going to puke. And to think they actually named a street in Winnipeg after him.
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    I don't know why it is so important to tsn to show crowd or bench shots for so long that they can't get back to the play in time. Rod Black and his attempts at nick-naming every damn thing he can are irritating. He is the worst.

    I haven't watched the replay of the command centre roughing the passer play yet but it looked like a good play live from where I was sitting.

    The Eskimos should not bother challenging any plays that Duke Williams is involved in because it is pretty obvious they will never win them.

    Dan Keply did colour for CBC for several years.

    I don't think Dave Campbell ever played football.

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    Kepley, thanks, forgot about him being on telecasts.

    Agreed on Williams. He always mixes it up so chances are it nullifies whatever PI is occurring. He's also not a good judge of PI. Seems like none of the calls he thinks should be challenged end up going our way.

    Esks have signed CJ Gable from the Ticats in exchange for two undisclosed players on their negotiation list.

    There continues to be no excuses for this lineup not to get it done. This is now as talented a lineup as we had in 2015. This offense should get untracked but the play calling is atrocious.
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    Williams did get face masked in the end zone in Toronto and there is a gift there showing it. I'm not sure he was looking for the challenge in the last game but Mass should have just saved it. It was a first down play and there was a lot of game left.

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    Gable looked great in the Eskimos win today.
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    Gable looked great in the Eskimos win today.
    About time we had a decent RB. Its been over a dozen games without one. I'd like Gable to be more responsible carrying the mail though. He seemed to learn from the fumble but if theres one knock on him its plays like that and dropped passes.

    Rod Black, just get lost. What another joke of a telecast. Talking turkey instead of showing the plays, instead of announcing who penalty went to etc. I'm wondering why I even leave the volume on. But the lol moment of the night was Rod Black saying Drew Willy is 2nd and long and that he's been really good today. At that point the Als were 6/14 in conversions and he had 140 passing yds. It was the 2nd half. Willy was abysmal as usual except TSN for some reason is always trying to prop this guy up. If your team as Drew Willy as a starter, you're losing, period.

    Next, Black stating the Esks are "lucky this, lucky that'' In the game I watched the Esks dominated every stat and were their own enemies fumbling the ball. Other than it was complete one sided outscoring the Als 42-9 after going down 15-0.

    I try to FF through every break in play or return from commercial. But sometimes I still catch Rod Black inanity. Despite trying hard not to.
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    I say we go 2-2 to finish the season off, with losses to Calgary and Sask upcoming.

    I think we beat the Argos here and BC in their barn but I don't think we can beat that Calgary team.

    Glad to see the monkey is finally off our back with the win yesterday. Let's hope we can build off it and carry the momentum into the playoffs.

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    Eskimos clinched a playoff spot with their win against the Argos on Saturday.

    It wouldn't have been such a close game, but all game the Eskimos receivers dropped passes that hit them right in the hands.

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    We still have the best QB imho

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    Of course but will James Franklin be here next year?
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    Nice ending to the game over the Lions. Would be a great time for a winning streak! Go Esks!

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    It was really hard to watch Perkins as our RB. Please come back Gable.

    Maas is a joke as a head coach. How could Esks management fire Hervey because he wasn't dancing the "Esks Way" and we have a headcoach losing it on the sidelines every game and that this is OK. Screaming at your assistants on national TV is a new low. I'm embarrassed to watch that. I wonder how much divisiveness Maas is causing on this team. We have an allstar lineup but not everybody pulling together. Willis wouldn't even defend the headcoach in an interview. Something really stewing. We're going to lose some players and its going to be due to Maas and Rhodes.

    Reilly can't even get the play calls from the bench in time and you could see his degree of frustration. The sideline too busy arguing to call the bloody plays. What a gongshow last night was again. We managed to win, only due to heroic efforts of the star players on the field.

    Meanwhile the Riders are ramping up to be a dominating club.
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