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    Default How much should be spent on the military?

    The Federal budget was a very sad day for the Canadian military. Basically, the liberals cut the budget for desperately needed equipment by $3.7b, but then said "its not really a cut because we will spend more one day in the future after the next election".

    The promised re-equipping of the Canadian military has essentially been postponed until after the next election in a maiden federal Liberal budget that shifts billions of dollars in capital spending to 2020 -- or later.

    The Trudeau government's new fiscal plan shoves $3.7 billion in planned defence purchases -- ships, planes and vehicles -- off into the future, but Finance Minister Bill Morneau insists the move does not represent a cut to military funding.

    Morneau said the Liberals need a year to figure out Canada's defence priorities.

    The promised re-equipping of the Canadian military has essentially been postponed until after the next election by a federal Liberal budget that shifts billions of dollars in capital spending to 2020 -- or later.

    "In order to make sure we have the funds available at the time when they need those funds, we've reprofiled some in the fiscal framework," he told a news conference prior to tabling the budget in the House of Commons.
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/budge...ions-1.2828114


    Canadian defense spending is now less than 1% of GDP, less than half of the NATO target. What frustrates me most, is that when we spend on the military, it filters through our whole economy. Canadian companies get military experience, which opens up new markets for them (like the US). And, our soldiers are safe, with modern equipment, not ancient equipment.

    Disappointing is an understatement, we will be falling even lower on this list:

    Last edited by moahunter; 24-03-2017 at 11:37 AM.

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    How depressing, we spend less than half of the NATO target all countries in NATO committed too:

    Many NATO countries, most notably Germany, have increased defence spending this year. Canada is until now the sole outlier, having deferred billions of dollars of defence spending in this year’s federal budget.

    On Thursday in Brussels Trudeau dodged questions when asked about demands by Trump and NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg to honour the pledge, reaffirmed three years ago by every member of the military alliance, to gradually increase each country’s defence spending to at least 2 per cent of GDP.

    Depending on which figures are to be believed, Canada now spends between .88 per cent and .98 of GDP per year on defence. But Trudeau and Defence minister Harjit Sajjan repeated vague promises that the long-awaited Defence Policy Review will call for some additional spending when it is finally published on June 7.

    A NATO official familiar with the issue said the alliance was privately deeply frustrated at Canada’s unwillingness to meet its obligations but that it would be undiplomatic for anyone in Brussels to publicly call Ottawa out over it. Expressing satisfaction with Trump’s pointed remarks on spending, the official said they hoped the U.S. and key European countries such as Germany would press Canada to do more.
    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ma...oint-was-clear

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    Our Liberal/Conservative governments have been to complacent when it comes to military spending. Happy to act the peace keeper and in most cases just phoning it in. I'm sure it's because around the world Canada is though of a peaceful country and Canadian politicians think no one will challenge us, and if they did our big neighbor to the south will bail us out. The military should be well funded at all times as rather be pro-active then re-active if we ever get in a confrontational position.
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    Well, now that we're going to be spending like $30 billion over the next 20 years is an improvement.
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    The short answer to this question, as to every other one posed by creepy partisan rightist shills, is: as much as your Party says on any given day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    The short answer to this question, as to every other one posed by creepy partisan rightist shills, is: as much as your Party says on any given day.
    That's way off the mark, beyond being an answer to avoid personal conflict with the party leaders.

    Instead the amount that should be spent is the amount commensurate with the military risk with an added margin of safety (likely a huge margin of safety, including redundancy). The same applies to mitigating any thread from global warming, natural catrostrophy, etc.

    Determining or measuring risk is a whole other matter as is the required margin of safety. We've seen many examples of various failures in assessing risk and early warning systems, etc throughout recent history such as flying helicopters in desert conditions, building detection and defensive structures and placement of potentially counterproductive / hazardous infrastructure (Katrina, Asian and Japanese tsunamis, building nuclear power plants on beaches).
    Last edited by KC; 08-06-2017 at 10:42 AM.

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    It's not about money but about effectiveness . Robots..research and development is key. Brains is key

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    Unfortunately, the government screwed itself over by NOT spending on the military for a long time. Some land vehicles were replaced, but the aircrafts and ships were neglected or subjected to refits/upgrades that were so expensive that it would have been better to just replace them altogether (in the long run). The next big expense will be standing up some Cyber Warfare trades and units, which require expensive equipment and training. Reading the news, I think it's obvious to anyone that Canada needs to take this step to protect our digital infrastructure and information.

    The latest good news for the military is finally getting a raise after a 9-10 year (not sure exactly) freeze on salaries. Inflation and cost of living has skyrocketed, but wages didn't move at all. Not really great when someone gets posted to an expensive city. 99% of the time, you don't get a choice in where the military sends you, but you should at least be able to afford going there.
    Last edited by alkeli; 28-06-2017 at 11:01 AM.

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