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    ^It's on his party for not dealing with it now that it has come to light and they are ignoring it.

    A Democratic senator wants the Treasury Department to hand over records relating to President Donald Trump’s sale of a Palm Beach estate that he bought for $41 million to a Russian oligarch for $95 million only four years later.
    "It is imperative that Congress follow the money and conduct a thorough investigation into any potential money laundering or other illicit financial dealings between the president, his associates, and Russia," wrote Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, reported ABC on Friday.
    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-sold-40-million-estate-russian-oligarch-100-million-and-democratic-802613

    Nothing to see here, just the President selling property at more than double the assessed value. He's just that good at business.

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    FBI chief: Trump hasn't directed me to stop Russian meddling in midterms
    http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...ddling-in-2018

    FBI Director Christopher Wray on Tuesday said President Trump hasn’t directed him to stop Russian efforts to interfere in this year’s midterm elections.

    “We’re taking a lot of specific efforts to blunt Russian efforts,” Wray said when Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) asked if he’d been directed by Trump to do so.

    “As directed by the president?” Reed interjected.
    “Not as specifically directed by the president,” Wray responded.

    Wray — along with CIA Director Mike Pompeo, National Security Agency Director Adm. Mike Rogers and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats — spoke at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing about threats to U.S. national security.
    Reed asked each official whether they had received specific direction from Trump to blunt Russian meddling efforts during future elections. The officials indicated they had not received that directive from the president, but that Trump expects them to carry out their intelligence duties, including getting ahead of threats from Russia and others.

    Coats told the committee there “should be no doubt” that Russia believes it was successful in influencing the 2016 election and will target the 2018 election in a similar fashion.
    Funny how Trump, who regularly rails against the FBI and rigged elections, won't lift a finger to prevent Russia and other powers from interference with the elections. That alone is a failure to protect the country and contrary to his Oath of Office. An impeachable offence.
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    Amazing that after the testimony of the FBI yesterday, that no one is staying that the FBI lied or was part of the deep blue state. All is quiet on the right wing front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    FBI chief: Trump hasn't directed me to stop Russian meddling in midterms
    http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...ddling-in-2018
    Ha ha. This headline is silly anti-Trump click bait.

    Doesn't the FBI work independently? Is the president supposed to micromanage the FBI with every single task or something?

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    It may be difficult for Democrats to accept this, but their outrage towards the president doesn’t change the fact that neither he nor his campaign colluded with the Russians. And it must be difficult knowing that more evidence or downright admissions keep surfacing pointing to Democrats facilitating Russian influence in the 2016 campaign. Russian fingerprints are all over the work of Blumenthal, Winer and Steele. Exploring their actions must be a priority for the media.
    Source https://archive.fo/UJJaA

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    nice republican opinion piece....

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    Oh, you only trust what's published by Washington Post when it supports the Trump colluded with Russia narrative?

    That's called confirmation bias.


    I just ignore that propaganda rag altogether.

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    I dont trust any one single source, especially opinion pieces from a well established republican writer.

    It's funny that you choose to ignore it, unless it has an opinion piece that supports your confirmation bias of Whitehouse/FoxNews circle of propaganda.

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    You might have a handful of sources where you trust everything they publish. But i surely do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Oh, you only trust what's published by Washington Post when it supports the Trump colluded with Russia narrative?

    That's called confirmation bias.


    I just ignore that propaganda rag altogether.
    Then why don't you trust the live, on video testimony of the FBI Head and other leaders of the intelligence community? Many of them are APPOINTED BY TRUMP.

    Excerpts from https://www.cbsnews.com/news/christo...s-live-stream/

    Leaders of the intelligence community said the United States is "under attack" as it relates to the nation's cybersecurity posture heading into the 2018 midterm elections. FBI Director Christopher Wray, CIA Director Mike Pompeo, and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats joined other intelligence heads by offering testimony on worldwide threats facing the U.S. and its allies on Capitol Hill on Tuesday.
    The intelligence chiefs appeared to be in consensus that the threat against the U.S.' cybersecurity is a top priority for the intelligence community and actors like Russia show little sign of slowing down their efforts to sow discord and dissension in the United States.


    In his opening remarks, Coats said that the U.S. is "under attack" by "entities using cyber to penetrate virtually every major action that takes place in the U.S." "threatened by cyberattacks every day" by using elections as an opportunity to "sow discord and undermine our values."


    Coats pointed to Russia, China and Iran as posting the greatest threat to the nation's cybersecurity presence, saying that Russia is a likely to pursue "more aggressive attacks with intent to degrade Democratic values" as well as global alliances.

    Sen. Angus King of Maine argued that there was not a clear "doctrine" that dictates what the U.S. response and consequences are when bad actors infiltrate the nation's cybersecurity posture. Pompeo noted that the intelligence community does have "some capabilities offensively to raise the costs for those who would dare challenge the United States elections." He agreed that a proper response was needed to such a "complicated problem" and urged a "U.S. government strategy" to addressing consequences.


    Coat added, "It's just common sense if someone attacks you and there's no retribution or response, it's going to incentivize more contacts."


    Coats says that Russia utilized social media as a relatively "cheap and low risk" opportunity to sow dissension in the U.S. He said in the eyes of Russia, it "offers plausible deniability and is proven to be effective at sowing division." He said that Russia will "continue using propaganda, social media, false flag personas and sympathetic spokesmen to build on its wide range of operations and exacerbate social and political issues in the U.S." Coats noted that Russia perceived its past influence as "successful" and aims to use the 2018 midterm elections as a potential target.


    Wray provided a brief timeline of when the FBI submitted its reports on the investigation as part of Porter's clearance process, saying that the investigation was completed in late July. He said the FBI soon thereafter received a request for a follow up inquiry which was provided in November. The file was then closed in January but said earlier this month, the FBI received "additional information" and passed that along to the proper agencies.

    Wray said he did have interactions with the White House as it pertains to the since-declassified memo penned by House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes. He said, however that the FBI "had then and continues to have now grave concerns about the accuracy of the memo because of omissions." He added, "we provided thousands of documents that were very sensitive" as well as "lots" of briefings so it's "very hard for anybody to distill that down to 3 and a half pages."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Then why don't you trust the live, on video testimony of the FBI Head and other leaders of the intelligence community? Many of them are APPOINTED BY TRUMP.

    I DO trust it.

    Do I believe other countries attempt to interfere with US elections? Of course! They always have. Why would they stop now?

    But do I believe the accusation that Trump is colluding with the Russians to help him win elections? Not a chance. That is nonsense being peddled by people who (still) cannot cope with Trump winning the Presidency.

    Please recognize that there is a HUGE difference between those two positions.

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    The investigation continues. Wait before you pass judgment.

    What we do know is that Congress passed more sanctions against Russia months and months ago regarding their interference in the election. Trump has refuse to act upon that law. He also has resisted any a temp to put pressure on Russia and protect the US against these threats the the IC has clearly laid out for over a year.

    Can you tell me why the ******** President does absolutely nothing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    The investigation continues. Wait before you pass judgment.
    Just like you, I am not going to wait to share my opinion of what i really think is happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Is the president supposed to micromanage the FBI with every single task or something?
    Russians meddling with the US elections is a fairly major thing, and something that the President should definitely be interested in preventing... unless, you know... he benefits from it, in which case he would probably ignore the threat, and also resist punishing Russia by not enforcing sanctions that were overwhelmingly approved by other levels of government.

    Also, one thing to think about...
    Was Russia's goal in interfering with the US election to elect Trump, or was it to sow chaos in the US BY electing Trump? If it was to create chaos, then what would be more chaotic with the 2018 mid-term elections; allowing the Republicans to win, or allowing the Democrats to win? I'd argue that it would be more chaotic for the US right now to have the Democrats win, as that would upset the Trump supporters, and cause a rift between the President and the other levels of government. Right now the Republicans control all 3 levels, and it's a shitshow, so if you want chaos, flipping one or two of those levels to Democrats would certainly do it. It's assumed that Russia would meddle with the 2018 elections to help the Republicans, but what if they help the Democrats?

    And it's not like Putin hasn't created chaos in other countries before, just because he can. Look at what's going on in Ukraine as an example of Putin meddling just because he can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Is the president supposed to micromanage the FBI with every single task or something?
    Russians meddling with the US elections is a fairly major thing, and something that the President should definitely be interested in preventing... unless, you know... he benefits from it, in which case he would probably ignore the threat, and also resist punishing Russia by not enforcing sanctions that were overwhelmingly approved by other levels of government.

    Also, one thing to think about...
    Was Russia's goal in interfering with the US election to elect Trump, or was it to sow chaos in the US BY electing Trump? If it was to create chaos, then what would be more chaotic with the 2018 mid-term elections; allowing the Republicans to win, or allowing the Democrats to win? I'd argue that it would be more chaotic for the US right now to have the Democrats win, as that would upset the Trump supporters, and cause a rift between the President and the other levels of government. Right now the Republicans control all 3 levels, and it's a shitshow, so if you want chaos, flipping one or two of those levels to Democrats would certainly do it. It's assumed that Russia would meddle with the 2018 elections to help the Republicans, but what if they help the Democrats?

    And it's not like Putin hasn't created chaos in other countries before, just because he can. Look at what's going on in Ukraine as an example of Putin meddling just because he can.
    The Russians got away with what they did in the Presidential election because few people realized what was going on at the time and few believed the Russians could or would do it. It was the equivalent of getting the first punch. US intelligence agencies, Congress and the public are now on high alert about Russian activities. They will not be able to just repeat what worked before.

    I really have to wonder whether Putin is too clever for his own good. Yes, he created a mess in Ukraine, but that got him severe economic sanctions against his own country. Maybe he hoped getting someone like Trump elected, who seemed sympathetic to him, might get the sanctions lifted, but Congress has tied Trump's hands on this and if anything the sentiment in the US is less favorable to Russia now than when it invaded Ukraine. A lot of effort and I am not sure much really accomplished. If the Russians are smart, maybe next time better not to meddle.

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    Trump's Power to Hide Secret Details About the Russia Investigation - The Atlantic

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-sight/553436/

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    Looks like Mueller will be flipping another of Trump's buddies, as Gates (who was Manafort's right-hand) is close to talking.
    http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...a-probe-report

    Queue MrOilers saying that this has nothing to do with Trump in 5... 4... 3...
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    Breaking News

    At least 3 Russian groups and 13 Russian individuals indicted in Mueller’s investigation: report

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/lea...gation-report/

    Deputy attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced the 13 foreign individuals and three entities the special counsel probe.

    A federal court handed up indictments against 13 Russian individuals and three Russian entities in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of Trump campaign ties to Russia.

    The Russian nationals are “accused of violating U.S. criminal laws in order to interfere with U.S. elections and political processes.”


    President Donald Trump has disputed the widely shared view of U.S. law enforcement and intelligence services that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election.


    The Russians named in the indictment are accused of posing as Russians on social media to influence American political discourse in an operation that started as early as 2014.
    32 page indictment

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
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    BOOM!

    It'll be interesting to see if any of them weigh 400 pounds and lives in their parents basement like Trump said.



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    Looks like Mueller is working out how the various parties got paid.

    Another flip: Mueller announces indictment and guilty plea of identity fraudster Richard Pinedo in Trump investigation

    Special counsel Robert Mueller on Friday announced an indictment and guilty plea of Richard Pinedo for identity fraud.


    The California man pleaded guilty to circumventing online payment security systems using stolen identities.


    The indictment claims that “2014 through November 2017, defendant Richard Pinedo did knowingly transfer, possess, and use, in and affecting interstate and foreign commerce, and without lawful authority, means of identification of other persons with the intent to commit, and to aid or abet, and in connection with, unlawful activity…”


    A separate filing, stipulating facts, also identifies an online service run by Pinedo called “Auction Essistance.” The service was designed to “circumvent the security features of large online digital payment companies.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/ano...investigation/

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    Meanwhile, Trump has his usual response to evidence of Russian meddling.

    Trump insists ‘no collusion!’ after Mueller drops bombshell indictments in Russia investigation

    The indictments allege the Russian operatives were intent on meddling “with U.S. elections and political processes.” That meddling included “supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaging Hillary Clinton.”


    Rosenstein said the operation used “Russian shell companies.”


    “It employed hundreds of persons for its online operations, ranging from creators of fictitious personas to technical and administrative support, with an annual budget of millions of dollars,” he explained.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/tru...investigation/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Meanwhile, Trump has his usual response to evidence of Russian meddling.

    Trump insists ‘no collusion!’ after Mueller drops bombshell indictments in Russia investigation

    The indictments allege the Russian operatives were intent on meddling “with U.S. elections and political processes.” That meddling included “supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaging Hillary Clinton.”


    Rosenstein said the operation used “Russian shell companies.”


    “It employed hundreds of persons for its online operations, ranging from creators of fictitious personas to technical and administrative support, with an annual budget of millions of dollars,” he explained.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/tru...investigation/
    Well...

    Donald Trump acknowledges Russia's 'anti-US campaign' in unprecedented statement

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8214871.html



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    House Russia investigation has 'abundance' of evidence against Trump, says top Democrat | US news | The Guardian

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...on-adam-schiff


    Why The Media Stopped Reporting The Russia Collusion Story

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/15/...helped-create/

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    Why has he been so adamant about denying any Russian involvement? Is it just that he'd think that it would delegitimize his election or is there something more?

    Mueller’s Latest Indictment Shows Trump Has Helped Putin Cover Up a Crime
    By continuing to cast doubt on Russian involvement, the president is aiding the Kremlin to get away with its election attack.


    Mueller’s investigation and news reports have already undermined Trump’s stance regarding the Russian attack. The special counsel has officially confirmed that the Trump campaign was in contact with Russians while Moscow was assaulting the election. And the Trump campaign’s effort to obtain “dirt” on Clinton from a Moscow emissary has been well documented. Now Mueller has declared that he has proof of Moscow’s covert social media campaign, and the indictment indicates this part of Moscow’s attack extended beyond what has already been reported and included secret operations conducted by Russians who were in the United States. The indictment also prompts the assumption that Mueller has been scrutinizing the Russian hack-and-dump activity and the election-system penetrations, which could well produce further indictments.


    This means that Mueller’s probe could yield additional information regarding the details and breadth of the Russian campaign to intervene in the election to assist Trump. The president, who has yet to say anything in public showing he is committed to preventing Russian meddling in this year’s election, can continue to dismiss such material as “fake news” produced by a “witch hunt.” (According to the Washington Post, in his first year as president, Trump said the Russia probe was a Democratic hoax 44 times.) Hours after Friday’s indictment, Trump issued a statement once again dismissing the Russia investigation for producing “outlandish partisan attacks, wild and false allegations, and far-fetched theories.” But with this indictment—and possibly others—Mueller has demonstrated that Trump, by refusing to acknowledge fully the Russian assault of 2016, has been helping Putin cover up a crime.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...er-up-a-crime/

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    Gee, where did Trump get his "3 million illegal votes cast" talking point?




    Russians Tried to Suppress Minority Turnout, Spread Lies About Voter Fraud
    The special counsel’s indictment shows that the minority vote wasn’t suppressed only by restrictive state policies.




    Starting in or around the summer of 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators also began to promote allegations of voter fraud by the Democratic Party through their fictitious U.S. personas and groups on social media. Defendants and their co-conspirators purchased advertisements on Facebook to further promote the allegations.




    a. On or about August 4, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators began purchasing advertisements that promoted a post on the Facebook account “Stop A.I.” The post alleged that “Hillary Clinton has already committed voter fraud during the Democrat Iowa Caucus.”




    b. On or about August 11, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators posted that allegations of voter fraud were being investigated in North Carolina on the Twitter account @TEN_GOP.




    c. On or about November 2, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used the same account to post allegations of “#VoterFraud by counting tens of thousands of ineligible mail in Hillary votes being reported in Broward County, Florida.”

    Republicans used many of these same tactics during the presidential campaign, with Trump repeatedly warning of mass voter fraud and Republican-controlled states like Wisconsin passing restrictive voting laws that disproportionately kept minority voters from the polls, as Mother Jones has reported. The Department of Homeland Security has already stated that the Russians tried to probe voter registration lists in 21 states during the 2016 campaign and breached voter registration lists in Illinois and Arizona, though they were unsuccessful in changing any votes, according to DHS.


    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...t-voter-fraud/

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    ""He said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times," Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One as he flew from Da Nang to Hanoi in Vietnam. Trump spoke to Putin three times on the sidelines of summit here, where the Russia meddling issue arose."Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,' " Trump said. "And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."
    "I think he is very insulted by it," Trump added.

    - November 14, 2017


    Ex-CIA director Brennan nails how Mueller’s election-meddling indictment ‘puts a lie to Putin’s claims’

    “The extent of the activity, the number of Russians who were involved, the types of activities that they engaged in with U.S. officials or U.S. persons who, as Rod Rosenstein said, unwitting affiliation. I think this is, again, an indication of just how determined the Russians were to undermine the integrity of the election, harm Hillary Clinton, and to enhance the prospects for Donald Trump’s election,” Brennan concluded.


    “While some may have been unwitting, I do think the investigation is going to reveal that some individuals were knowledgeable about what they were doing and they basically strayed from what they should have been doing,” Brennan predicted.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/ex-...putins-claims/

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    Trump: "FAKE NEWS!" "FAKE NEWS!" "FAKE NEWS!" "FAKE NEWS!" "FAKE NEWS!" "FAKE NEWS!" "FAKE NEWS!" "FAKE NEWS!"

    Trump whispering: "thanks Russia for spreading fake news and propaganda that made 'Crooked Hillary' lose the election"


    What did he know and how did he know that it was rigged. Did he fix the election with the help of the Russians?


    Now we know that Trump said the truth!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Breaking News

    At least 3 Russian groups and 13 Russian individuals indicted in Mueller’s investigation: report

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/lea...gation-report/

    Deputy attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced the 13 foreign individuals and three entities the special counsel probe.

    A federal court handed up indictments against 13 Russian individuals and three Russian entities in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of Trump campaign ties to Russia.

    The Russian nationals are “accused of violating U.S. criminal laws in order to interfere with U.S. elections and political processes.”


    President Donald Trump has disputed the widely shared view of U.S. law enforcement and intelligence services that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election.


    The Russians named in the indictment are accused of posing as Russians on social media to influence American political discourse in an operation that started as early as 2014.
    32 page indictment

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

    That's it?

    After all this drama, all they've done is caught 13 Russians shitposting stuff that supports Trump and Bernie Sanders on Twitter?

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    Hmmm, what was he saying?

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
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    The Russia hoax continues, now it's ads on Facebook. What about the totally biased and dishonest Media coverage in favor of Crooked Hillary?


    3:44 AM - 22 Sep 2017

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...ailykos.com%2F

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    Sorry - I forgot about the handful of Russians who shitposted on Facebook, too. This is hilarious!

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    ^Uhhhhhhh you know the investigation isn't done yet right?

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    I have a feeling this investigation is never going to end on its own.

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    Trump says Mueller’s new charges support his ‘NO COLLUSION’ claim. They don’t
    Special counsel Robert Mueller on Friday revealed an alleged criminal conspiracy to divide Americans, undermine democracy and, yes, help get Donald Trump elected.

    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/a...they-dont.html
    In a quote the White House statement directly attributed to Trump, the president said, “It’s time we stop the outlandish partisan attacks, wild and false allegations, and far-fetched theories, which only serve to further the agendas of bad actors, like Russia, and do nothing to protect the principles of our institutions.
    Memo to Trump: Protecting and defending the country, especially from enemies of the United States is YOUR JOB!

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    BTW, how are those sanctions that Congress passed months ago, that you did not act upon, coming along?
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    What REALLY gets Trump p!ssed is that he didn't win on his own "stable genius" merits. He cares nothing about the implications to the country that gave him birth and life, merely that Putin out-gamed him.

    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Ol' Vlad is playing Trump like a five buck fiddle. One azzhole ouplaying another azzhole. What a world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    That's it?

    After all this drama, all they've done is caught 13 Russians shitposting stuff that supports Trump and Bernie Sanders on Twitter?
    You are so hilarious. You clearly didn't bother to read the document.

    The ORGANIZATION employed hundreds of individuals for its online operations, ranging from creators of fictitious personas to technical and administrative support. The ORGANIZATION’s annual budget totaled the equivalent of millions of U.S. dollars.

    The ORGANIZATION was headed by a management group and organized into departments, including: a graphics department; a data analysis department; a search-engine optimization (“SEO”) department; an information-technology (“IT”) department to maintain the digital infrastructure used in the ORGANIZATION’s
    operations; and a finance department to budget and allocate funding.
    You would be classified as a shitposter; this was a large-scale, professionally run organization that was formed to help elect Trump.

    The people named are those that ran the groups that worked on this.
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    And now Mueller has more people to get to flip and spill what they know. Where do you think the information that led to these people came from? Could it be, the people that are already indicted and are now cooperating with the investigation to tray and save their own asses like Manafort, Popadopolous and Flynn? Hmmm, could be.

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    I believe all these people live in Russia, so it's extremely unlikely that they'll be flipping, or ever interviewed by Mueller.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Richard Pinedo seems to be the main money man and he was also indicted and is now cooperating. And even if the others are in Russia, they're pretty much stuck there and have to be very careful about where they travel to. I'm sure INTERPOL is very interested in snagging them if they can. However, there's a number of documents that the New York Times reported on back in 2015.

    If you're on Chrome, open the link in an incognito tab to avoid the paywall.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/m...he-agency.html

    If a newspaper can get this much information, you can bet that Mueller has much, much more.

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    Once again, Trump proves himself to be his own worst enemy.
    People didn't think he was using "deal" quite that way. Note the time stamp of 2014, just before the Russian operation got underway.

    "Donald J. Trump

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    "@PeaceIsWeakness: Trump 2016 is the only way to stop the decline of the West. Only one man in America could deal with Putin #Trump2016


    8:21 PM - Mar 17, 2014"

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...26autosize%3D1
    And this:

    Trump’s Twitter Response to the Russian Propaganda Charges Contains a Laughably Blatant Lie

    In response to Friday’s indictments, President Trump took to Twitter, of course: “Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President,” he wrote. “The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong—no collusion!”


    Trump formally announced his candidacy in June 2016, but by then it was a foregone conclusion. There was no element of surprise here. His assertion that, because the Russian began its misinformation operations by April 2014, there could be no ties to his own campaign, is—for lack of a better word—stupid. Just because the Russian conspiracy was launched prior to his formal announcement doesn’t mean its aims weren’t flexible. A plot to influence the election would have to be dynamic—taking into account the fact that no one had formally declared their intent to run and the nominations for major party candidates were years down the road.


    Trump’s statement that he hadn’t announced a plan to run before 2016 is laughably easy to invalidate. In January 2014, he told Reuters he was considering a White House run because he was “unhappy with the way things are going in America.” Later that spring, he told reporters at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, that he would run, “as you’re sitting here,” if the “right person” didn’t come along.

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    In a meeting in Russia, he reportedly told his Russian friends that he was going to run... in 2013.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Everybody knew Russia was meddling in elections, mainly because everybody does it. So now that they've been investigating for a year and found some Russians that were paid to make posts on the internet. Whoop-dee-doo.

    Still, NOTHING links any of this to Trump, any more than it links to Hillary Clinton or to Bernie Sanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    In a meeting in Russia, he reportedly told his Russian friends that he was going to run... in 2013.
    So? He told a lot of people over his lifetime. He actually DID throw his hat in the ring to run for President in elections before. And he teased it on National TV back as far as the 1980s.

    Every single supposed "link" that people are bringing up here is simply confirmation bias. You already decided that Trump is guilty, and you are treating ANYTHING, despite it all being insignificant or tenuous, as "proof" that you are correct. This is how 9/11 "truthers" talk about how 9/11 was an inside job, and this entire "Trump colluded with Russia to get him to win the election" is just as nonsensical.

    Mueller's investigation has found diddly.

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    He doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds him.

    Trump attacks everyone but Russia

    President Donald Trump railed against the investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 election Saturday night into Sunday, sending off a stream of tweets attacking the FBI, CNN, the Democratic Party, his own national security adviser, former President Barack Obama and the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.


    He did not criticize Russia, or voice concern over Vladimir Putin's attempts to undermine U.S. elections.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...scandal-416858

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    In a meeting in Russia, he reportedly told his Russian friends that he was going to run... in 2013.
    So? He told a lot of people over his lifetime. He actually DID throw his hat in the ring to run for President in elections before. And he teased it on National TV back as far as the 1980s.

    Every single supposed "link" that people are bringing up here is simply confirmation bias. You already decided that Trump is guilty, and you are treating ANYTHING, despite it all being insignificant or tenuous, as "proof" that you are correct. This is how 9/11 "truthers" talk about how 9/11 was an inside job, and this entire "Trump colluded with Russia to get him to win the election" is just as nonsensical.

    Mueller's investigation has found diddly.
    You assume too much

    Just because you have read the first and second chapter in a book, does not mean you know the whole story. Manifort and his people were the first chapter. The second was Friday's indictments were aimed at a narrow issue of how the Russians used social media to affect the election and stir up support for Trump.

    Maybe the the third will be how the Russians hacked the DNC, hacked into election computers, and got so many emails off servers.

    Maybe the fourth will be some indictments regarding Hillary's server issues, the 33,000 emails and related issues

    Maybe the fifth will be indictments for Russian money laundering in the US and world wide.

    Maybe the sixth chapter will be indictments of senior staffers in the WH

    Maybe the 7th will be indictments of Jared Kushner, Ivanka and Trump jr.

    Maybe the 8th will be indictments of the man with little hands and his obstruction of justice.

    We just don't know how the book of the investigation will turn out. So far, it is riveting and yielding indictments that show that the Russians were heavily involved.

    As far as I see, Trump's apathy towards doing anything to curb Russian aggression into the election process of 2016 and doing nothing to prevent more attacks in the 2018 elections is a failure in his pledge in his Oath of Office. Failure to protect and defend the United States from foreign aggression as the Commander in Chief, makes him a traitor to his country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    He doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds him.

    Trump attacks everyone but Russia

    President Donald Trump railed against the investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 election Saturday night into Sunday, sending off a stream of tweets attacking the FBI, CNN, the Democratic Party, his own national security adviser, former President Barack Obama and the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.


    He did not criticize Russia, or voice concern over Vladimir Putin's attempts to undermine U.S. elections.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...scandal-416858
    You can bet that the Russians have a large file cabinet full of info on Trump. Easier to control the puppet when the strings are strong.

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    The amusing this about all the "no collusion" cries from Trump is the fact that we've got e-mails from Don Jr. that show him doing exactly that and then lying about it. Don Jr. met with Russian representatives in Trump Tower to get dirt on Clinton and then, when the meeting became public, said it was about adoptions.

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    Seems that Trump is hanging on to the old adage that if you keep repeating the same thing over and over then people will believe it. It's all he has left, and it's not working Donny boy.

    Must be all that 'genius' at work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    Seems that Trump is hanging on to the old adage that if you keep repeating the same thing over and over then people will believe it. It's all he has left, and it's not working Donny boy.

    Must be all that 'genius' at work.
    Successful and proven strategy - one of many. Prepare for 3 to 7 more years of Trump.

    However don’t expect anything substantive to come of all this. Trump has fought lawsuits for years and has the money to obtain the sleaziest legal advice known to man.

    Look at how Clinton played the system when the evidence was bang on:
    Clinton–Lewinsky scandal - Wikipedia

    “During the grand jury testimony, Clinton's responses were carefully worded, and he argued, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is,"[6] with regard to the truthfulness of his statement that "there is not a sexual relationship, an improper sexual relationship or any other kind of improper relationship."[7]”

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    McMaster states the obvious. Trump contradicts him.

    Trump’s national security adviser says the evidence of Russian election interference is irrefutable

    President Trump’s national security adviser acknowledged on Saturday that the evidence of Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election is irrefutable — after more than a year of Trump characterizing accusations of Russian election interference as a “hoax.”


    Speaking to an audience at an international conference in Munich, H.R. McMaster said the evidence of Russian interference “is now incontrovertible” after Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s latest indictment, which was handed down on Friday.

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-mcma...-824c7940d5c4/
    And Trump gets mad that McMaster didn't say something that the indictments didn't say.

    Trump criticizes national security advisor HR McMaster's comments about Russian meddling in the 2016 election

    "General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems," Trump tweeted late Saturday night.

    Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said Friday that these particular indictments did not include allegations that the Russian efforts affected the election's results. Trump saw the latest development in the case as a vindication.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/18/trum...-election.html
    Trump is coming across as more and more desperate.

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    But wasn’t I a great candidate?”
    America Is Under Attack and the President Doesn't Care
    Trump’s gravest responsibility is to defend the United States from foreign attack—and he’s done nothing to fulfill it.

    It’s worth thinking about what a patriotic president would have done in Trump’s situation. He would be leading the investigation himself. He would be scouring his own campaign—doing everything in his power to reassure the country that whatever the Russians may or may not have done, his government owed Putin nothing. He would have imposed penalties on Russia for their outrageous acts—rather than protecting Russia from penalties voted by Congress. Above all, he would be leading the demand for changes to election laws and practices, including holding Facebook to account for its negligence.

    At every turn, Trump has failed to do what a patriotic president would do—failed to put the national interest first. He has left the 2018 elections as vulnerable as the 2016 elections to Russian intervention on his behalf.

    The president’s malignant narcissism surely explains much of this passivity. He cannot endure the thought that he owes the presidency to anything other than his own magnificence. “But wasn’t I a great candidate?” he tweeted plaintively at 7:43 a.m on Sunday morning.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...t-care/553667/

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    He was a great mudslinging and lying candidate. He fooled enough people to get their vote.

    Once in office, he is a complete and utter failure.
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    I watched Rex Tillerson on 60 minutes..I like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Once in office, he is a complete and utter failure.
    Trump's accomplishments:

    http://www.magapill.com/

    I don't see how anyone can look at his accomplishments objectively and seriously claim that President Trump has been a "failure".

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    Obama was President up to, and beyond, the 2016 Election. So why didn’t he do something about Russian meddling?
    - The President https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...576543744?s=20

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Once in office, he is a complete and utter failure.
    Trump's accomplishments:

    http://www.magapill.com/

    I don't see how anyone can look at his accomplishments objectively and seriously claim that President Trump has been a "failure".
    I can't believe you posted that site.

    WOW

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/magapill/


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Obama was President up to, and beyond, the 2016 Election. So why didn’t he do something about Russian meddling?
    - The President https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...576543744?s=20
    Are you THAT daft?

    Do you completely parrot what Trump tweets????

    Here are the facts, Note date.

    White House announces retaliation against Russia: Sanctions, ejecting diplomats
    https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/29/polit...use/index.html
    By Evan Perez and Daniella Diaz, CNN Updated 10:14 PM ET, Mon January 2, 2017
    President Barack Obama took unprecedented steps Thursday to retaliate against alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election, prompting vows from Russian authorities that Moscow will respond in kind.


    The administration described Russia's involvement as "Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities" and sanctioned four Russian individuals and five Russian entities for what it said was election interference. The administration also ordered 35 Russian diplomats to leave the country and two Russian compounds are being closed.
    This is the first time the names of Russian officials involved in the hacking have become public on the sanctions list.
    "Russia's cyberactivities were intended to influence the election, erode faith in US democratic institutions, sow doubt about the integrity of our electoral process, and undermine confidence in the institutions of the US government," a White House statement said. "These actions are unacceptable and will not be tolerated."

    According to statements from the White House and the Treasury Department, the government has sanctioned nine entities and individuals over their alleged interference in the election: the GRU and the FSB, which are two Russian intelligence services; four individual officers of the GRU; and three companies that provided material support to the GRU's operations.
    The US also separately sanctioned two Russian individuals, Evgeniy Mikhailovich Bogachev and Alexey Belan, for using cyber-enabled means to allegedly cause misappropriation of funds and personal identifying information. They've long been sought by the FBI.

    Obama also said in the statement announcing that the diplomats have been ordered to leave the country and that those individuals and their families were given 72 hours to leave the United States.

    "These actions follow repeated private and public warnings that we have issued to the Russian government, and are a necessary and appropriate response to efforts to harm US interests in violation of established international norms of behavior," Obama said in the statement.
    President-elect Donald Trump -- who has publicly expressed skepticism that Russia meddled in the election -- said Thursday it's time for the US to "move on" regarding the hacking. But he added that he would meet with intelligence officials next week to be briefed on the matter.
    "It's time for our country to move on to bigger and better things," Trump said in a statement. "Nevertheless, in the interest of our country and its great people, I will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts of this situation."
    A senior Obama administration official acknowledged to reporters Thursday that Trump could reverse the sanctions by executive order, but added, "I don't think it'd make a lot of sense."
    Concurrently Trump was calling it a hoax.

    This is a bit different than Trump did with the Russians.


    President Trump meeting with his best fiends, pointing to his room, inviting the Russians into his bed...
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    The Obama administration was also concerned that if it said or did anything publicly prior to the election, it would be perceived to have been "playing politics" and trying to swing the election. MrOilers would have lost his mind, for example. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Not to mention that at the time it was quite unclear what exactly had transpired. Nearly 2 years later, much more is known, so of course it's easy to second guess what was or wasn't done at the time with much less information.

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    Obama approached Mitch McConnel and asked him to issue a joint statement about the Russian attacks. McConnel refused.
    Biden: McConnell Refused To Sign Bipartisan Statement On Russian Interference

    Former Vice President Joe Biden says he and President Barack Obama decided not to speak out publicly on Russian interference during the 2016 campaign after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell refused to sign a bipartisan statement condemning the Kremlin's role.


    Speaking on Tuesday at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden said the Obama administration sought a united front to dispel concerns that going public with such accusations would be seen as an effort to undermine the legitimacy of the election.


    However, McConnell "wanted no part of having a bipartisan commitment saying, essentially, 'Russia's doing this. Stop,' " he said.


    At that point, Biden added, he felt that "the die had been cast" and that "this was all about the political play."

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...n-interference

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    ^ and Trump has done absolutely nothing against the Russians that the Intelligence Community has been repeatedly warning him publicly and privately. In fact, Trump has actively been attacking his own agencies and cosying up to the Russians.

    What does the Russian possess that have chained and shackled Trump.
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    Just waiting the 48 hours before MrAltReich comes back with the same arguments, that Obama was conspiring with the Russians, thinking that we forgot his flagrant lies.
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    And another one.

    Mueller Charges Russian-Linked Lawyer With Lying to the FBI
    Alex van der Zwaan is accused of making false statements about his conversations with a former Trump campaign aide.


    Special counsel Robert Mueller has charged a Russian-linked lawyer for making false statements to investigators about his conversations with former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates. Alex van der Zwaan, the son-in-law of Russian oligarch German Khan, is expected to appear for a plea hearing later this afternoon.


    The charges come amid speculation that Gates is cooperating with Mueller’s investigation. In October, Gates and his business partner Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, were indicted on fraud and money laundering charges.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ng-to-the-fbi/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Obama approached Mitch McConnel and asked him to issue a joint statement about the Russian attacks. McConnel refused.
    Biden: McConnell Refused To Sign Bipartisan Statement On Russian Interference

    Former Vice President Joe Biden says he and President Barack Obama decided not to speak out publicly on Russian interference during the 2016 campaign after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell refused to sign a bipartisan statement condemning the Kremlin's role.


    Speaking on Tuesday at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden said the Obama administration sought a united front to dispel concerns that going public with such accusations would be seen as an effort to undermine the legitimacy of the election.


    However, McConnell "wanted no part of having a bipartisan commitment saying, essentially, 'Russia's doing this. Stop,' " he said.


    At that point, Biden added, he felt that "the die had been cast" and that "this was all about the political play."

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...n-interference
    And he was right. The die has been cast and the Republicans knew it too. The suspicion of possible Russian involvement was already public.

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    Stop taking away our Russian bot followers!

    Trump supporters, conservatives rage over Russian bot purge, #TwitterLockOut

    SAN FRANCISCO — Conservative Twitter users are raging against the social media company, lobbing accusations of left-wing bias and censorship after they lost thousands of followers in an overnight bot purge.


    The suspension of multiple accounts followed the indictment by special counsel Robert S. Mueller of Russian nationals for meddling in the U.S. election, including using fake accounts on Twitter to conduct "information warfare" against the United States.


    The hashtag #TwitterLockOut was trending in the U.S. Wednesday morning as thousands of accounts including those belonging to Michael Flynn Jr., the son of former national security adviser Michael Flynn, and Infowars editor Paul Joseph Watson complained that hundreds, and in some cases thousands, of their followers had been purged.


    In a statement, Twitter denied cracking down on conservative voices.


    "Twitter’s tools are apolitical, and we enforce our rules without political bias," the company said in a statement. "As part of our ongoing work in safety, we identify suspicious account behaviors that indicate automated activity or violations of our policies around having multiple accounts, or abuse."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...out/359291002/

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    My twitter account got locked yesterday and I didn't even post anything. When I got it reactivated, I had to re-add all of the people/things I was following. Stupid Twitter.

    It's not "Russians". The left simply cannot handle conservative viewpoints. When they cannot dismiss them, they censor them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    My twitter account got locked yesterday and I didn't even post anything. When I got it reactivated, I had to re-add all of the people/things I was following. Stupid Twitter.

    It's not "Russians". The left simply cannot handle conservative viewpoints. When they cannot dismiss them, they censor them.
    How do you now it was the left and not the russians that blocked your twit account? Citation please!???

    BTW, I thought the Russians and the Left were on the same end of the political spectrum. Or did that change with Trump?
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    Haven't seen this posted as yet: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...sealed-charges

    More charges coming down the pipe for Manafort, and they very much involve conduct during and after the campaign.

    Direct links to the actual reporting:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...return-n849916

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...al-case-419685

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    From the politco article:

    Last week, prosecutors told the court they'd received new evidence that Manafort took part in "a series of bank frauds and bank fraud conspiracies" in connection with a loan he sought in 2016. Mueller's team said Manafort obtained the loan using “doctored profit and loss statements” that overstated "by millions of dollars" the income of his consulting business.


    The bank fraud allegations were disclosed in a bail-related court filing made public on Friday that did not contain any indication of what action, if any, Mueller's team planned to take over the alleged fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    My twitter account got locked yesterday and I didn't even post anything. When I got it reactivated, I had to re-add all of the people/things I was following. Stupid Twitter.

    It's not "Russians". The left simply cannot handle conservative viewpoints. When they cannot dismiss them, they censor them.
    Or it’s those pesky connections to Russian bot sites - burrowing into everything. They’re almost as bad as those pesky bulging eyed aliens and their mind controlling insects.

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    Thanks for confirming my suspicions MrPutinOilers

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    MrPutinOilers Playbook

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    My twitter account got locked yesterday and I didn't even post anything. When I got it reactivated, I had to re-add all of the people/things I was following. Stupid Twitter.

    It's not "Russians". The left simply cannot handle conservative viewpoints. When they cannot dismiss them, they censor them.
    Man who swears he is not a duck despite walking, talking, acting & smelling like a duck gets caught in an automated duck trap & still maintains his anti-duck platform & says it's all a vast conspiracy by:
    THE LEFT! DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN!

    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    My twitter account got locked yesterday and I didn't even post anything. When I got it reactivated, I had to re-add all of the people/things I was following. Stupid Twitter.

    It's not "Russians". The left simply cannot handle conservative viewpoints. When they cannot dismiss them, they censor them.
    So, are you claiming Twitter is "The left," or do you feel "The left" somehow hacked your account, or "The left" reported your posts? Not sure what you're claiming happened. How did "The left" censor you?
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    So, are you claiming Twitter is "The left," or do you feel "The left" somehow hacked your account, or "The left" reported your posts?
    Of all the accounts I follow on Twitter, it was all conservative-leaning ones (and people who followed them) that got their accounts locked. This did not happen to people (that I know of) having accounts that followed/posted left-wing views

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    I guess MrOilers is going to have to now follow them in Russia where they originated.

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    Yes, every conservative online is a Russian bot.

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    That's not true. Just the ones you follow.

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    Manafort and Gates indicted in more charges by Mueller. $30 Million in illegal monies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    So, are you claiming Twitter is "The left," or do you feel "The left" somehow hacked your account, or "The left" reported your posts?
    Of all the accounts I follow on Twitter, it was all conservative-leaning ones (and people who followed them) that got their accounts locked. This did not happen to people (that I know of) having accounts that followed/posted left-wing views
    So, once again, who is "The left" that censored you? Are you calling Twitter, "The left"?
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Employees at Twitter have been caught in undercover videos admitting they have been targeting and banning conservatives from the platform. These people aren't conservatives.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxvWvroiV10

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    So, are you claiming Twitter is "The left," or do you feel "The left" somehow hacked your account, or "The left" reported your posts?
    Of all the accounts I follow on Twitter, it was all conservative-leaning ones (and people who followed them) that got their accounts locked. This did not happen to people (that I know of) having accounts that followed/posted left-wing views
    Clearly you just need to start following a bunch of left leaning sites. Problem solved, horizons expanded.

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    Read the full indictment

    A Grand Jury Just Indicted Former Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort on New Charges


    NBC Politics

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    BREAKING: A federal Grand Jury has returned a new superseding indictment in the Manafort case.

    The indictment says that Manafort, “secretly retained a group of former senior European politicians to take positions favorable to Ukraine, including by lobbying in the United States”


    5:41 PM - Feb 23, 2018

    Here’s the indictment:

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...n-new-charges/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Employees at Twitter have been caught in undercover videos admitting they have been targeting and banning conservatives from the platform. These people aren't conservatives.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxvWvroiV10
    Oh God... are you talking about James O'Keefe/Project Veritas videos again?
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Employees at Twitter have been caught in undercover videos admitting they have been targeting and banning conservatives from the platform. These people aren't conservatives.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxvWvroiV10
    Oh God... are you talking about James O'Keefe/Project Veritas videos again?
    Is this the media company that was caught before creating fake news?

    If so, isn’t that relevant to this story?

    Twitter Employees Admit to Censoring and ‘Shadow Banning’ Conservatives, Undercover Investigation Reveals | The Epoch Times
    Excerpt:
    “We deplore the deceptive and underhanded tactics by which this footage was obtained and selectively edited to fit a pre-determined narrative,” the company said in a statement to Fox News. “Twitter is committed to enforcing our rules without bias and empowering every voice on our platform, in accordance with the Twitter Rules.”

    https://m.theepochtimes.com/twitter-...s_2411758.html

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    How it can all tie together.

    Former US Attorney explains how Mueller can build a case of conspiracy against the Trump campaign

    McQuade, however, explained it what’s known as a Klein Conspiracy, “to defraud the United States by obstructing the administration of an agency of the United States.”


    The crime that the 13 Russian nationals were charged with last week was to obstruct the functioning of a the Federal Election Commission. She explained that if there are ties to those Russians, that it would prove conspiracy.


    “If they are soliciting things from a foreign government, receiving things of value from a foreign national, that would disrupt the fair administrations of our elections and could be conspiracy to defraud the United States,” she continued. “I think the indictment that was handed down last week, naming the 13 Russians, provides that foundation on which Robert Mueller can build if he finds the evidence linking Americans to be co-conspirators with the Russians.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/for...rump-campaign/

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    I wonder, if the investigation can prove a direct conspiracy involving Trump directly with the Russians and it is proven that he was a traitor and broke his Oath of Office, that he could be imprisoned rather than impeached?
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    17 people charged so far. Total of 89 felonies including multiple counts of Conspiracy Against the United States.

    The Mueller investigation is gathering steam...
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    So far it seems more like plain old corruption at play.

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    Trump hired only the best people...

    ...extreme vetting.

    ...76 staff without proper security clearances

    ...many staff fired or quit

    ...only the best people

    ...so far four of his staff charged by the investigation

    ...many more subject of the investigation including Trump himself

    ...birds of a feather, flock together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    So far it seems more like plain old corruption at play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    So far it seems more like plain old corruption at play.
    That’s the moronic Republican chant.

    See! No collusion.
    See, no collusion.
    See no collusion. ...


    Nonetheless, “so far” Trump has been spared any directly damning evidence.

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    Exactly. "There was no collusion with the Russians" and yet Donald Jr. met with Russians to get dirt on Hillary, lied about the reason for the meeting and later produced a letter dictated by his father backing up his lies. Then, the e-mails came out that proved they had been lying from the start. And that's just one part of it that Mueller hasn't even gotten to yet. He's still working his way up the food chain.

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    Conspiracy Investigation Class 101

    Tier I

    • Gather evidence on low level suspects
    • Interview witnesses
    • Check their stories
    • Gather more evidence
    • Follow the facts
    • Follow the money
    • Arrest low ranking persons and get plea deals to finger their bosses

    Tier II

    • Gather evidence on mid level suspects
    • Interview witnesses
    • Check their stories
    • Gather more evidence
    • Follow the facts
    • Follow the money
    • Arrest mid ranking persons and get plea deals to finger their bosses

    Tier III

    • Gather evidence on high level suspects
    • Interview witnesses
    • Check their stories
    • Gather more evidence
    • Follow the facts
    • Follow the money
    • Arrest high ranking persons and get plea deals to finger their boss

    Tier IV

    • Gather evidence on the boss
    • Interview the boss
    • Check his stories
    • Gather more evidence
    • Follow the facts
    • Follow the money
    • Arrest the boss, convict and send to prison
    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 24-02-2018 at 09:15 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Employees at Twitter have been caught in undercover videos admitting they have been targeting and banning conservatives from the platform. These people aren't conservatives.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxvWvroiV10
    Oh God... are you talking about James O'Keefe/Project Veritas videos again?
    Is this the media company that was caught before creating fake news?

    If so, isn’t that relevant to this story?

    Twitter Employees Admit to Censoring and ‘Shadow Banning’ Conservatives, Undercover Investigation Reveals | The Epoch Times
    Excerpt:
    “We deplore the deceptive and underhanded tactics by which this footage was obtained and selectively edited to fit a pre-determined narrative,” the company said in a statement to Fox News. “Twitter is committed to enforcing our rules without bias and empowering every voice on our platform, in accordance with the Twitter Rules.”

    https://m.theepochtimes.com/twitter-...s_2411758.html

    Yup - Twitter (and Youtube) has been caught censoring, shadowbanning, and burying people who support conservative political ideas.

    If the left's arguments and ideas weren't so weak, they wouldn't be so afraid of people who have different opinions than them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Employees at Twitter have been caught in undercover videos admitting they have been targeting and banning conservatives from the platform. These people aren't conservatives.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxvWvroiV10
    Oh God... are you talking about James O'Keefe/Project Veritas videos again?
    Did you see the Twitter employees admitting to banning conservative accounts and deleting conservative posts? (nothing about Russian bots, either)

    How can you defend that?

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    Did you see that its James O'Keefe/Project Veritas videos again


    Bias much?! And I thought you said you find multiple sources before forming opinion, but this just proves you don't. You simply gobble up right-wing junk as if its gospel, and ignore/dismiss the rest, as you've been brainwashed/sheepled into believing it's fakenews, unless Trump says it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Employees at Twitter have been caught in undercover videos admitting they have been targeting and banning conservatives from the platform. These people aren't conservatives.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxvWvroiV10
    Oh God... are you talking about James O'Keefe/Project Veritas videos again?
    Did you see the Twitter employees admitting to banning conservative accounts and deleting conservative posts? (nothing about Russian bots, either)

    How can you defend that?
    Well maybe that Republican investigator can look into that right away.

    Oops! I forgot that the same Republican investigator is busy convicting criminals and traitors actively Conspiring Against the United States in the top levels of the Trump administration that were Trump's closest Advisors and confidants. That same Republican had broad bipartisan support and is working diligently to follow the money and evidence in accordance with his mandate given to him by the Trump appointed head of the Department of Justice.

    I see no comments from you on those facts as you continue to ignore the indictments and guilty pleas and instead you try to deflect and deny wrongdoings by a corrupt administration lead by the most corrupted and incompetent President EVER, by using whataboutism tactics.

    We see right through you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Employees at Twitter have been caught in undercover videos admitting they have been targeting and banning conservatives from the platform. These people aren't conservatives.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxvWvroiV10
    Oh God... are you talking about James O'Keefe/Project Veritas videos again?
    Is this the media company that was caught before creating fake news?

    If so, isn’t that relevant to this story?

    Twitter Employees Admit to Censoring and ‘Shadow Banning’ Conservatives, Undercover Investigation Reveals | The Epoch Times
    Excerpt:
    “We deplore the deceptive and underhanded tactics by which this footage was obtained and selectively edited to fit a pre-determined narrative,” the company said in a statement to Fox News. “Twitter is committed to enforcing our rules without bias and empowering every voice on our platform, in accordance with the Twitter Rules.”

    https://m.theepochtimes.com/twitter-...s_2411758.html

    Yup - Twitter (and Youtube) has been caught censoring, shadowbanning, and burying people who support conservative political ideas.

    If the left's arguments and ideas weren't so weak, they wouldn't be so afraid of people who have different opinions than them.
    You’re saying Twitter has been caught. Twitter hasn’t been caught. (Catching it would have to look at bias in policy or bias in algorithms or bias among leadership that overtly or covertly trickled down to all employees). However it seems some employees at Twitter have been caught, or I should say, allegedly caught (since the source is highly disreputable). Catching a few employees in disreputable behaviour would be expected - look at the Trump campaign as a leading example of that problem. So the bias being turned into the alleged disreputable behaviour may exist among a few employees but that’s the very same issue as occurs here on c2e where posters can’t be counted on to put aside their personal bias and show even the slightest degree of intellectual honesty (hence we have gross generalizations, name calling, irresponsible and childish labelling, spin, taking things out of context, putting comments into the wrong context, living in a silo, showing disinterest in compiling data into factual representations, and near every other intellectual weakness known.)

    MrOilers, your incredibly common but nonetheless weirdly narrow view of all people being either on the “right” or “left” creates for you immense problems on this forum* and I think it means you become less critical of material that has the old confirmation bias nature to it. Yet I doubt you could even provide a most basic acceptable delineation between what beliefs compose left and right thinking. The old: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck methodology doesn’t work beyond the most mind-numbingly simple issues.

    * As someone who invested in stocks and bonds for decades, I developed or had a natural proclivity towards contrarianism - that was variously a strength and a weakness. If the herd seemed to be going in one direction I’d be thinking that the herd was wrong. That nature can be very problematic. The herd can be wrong, but the herd can also be right, or the herd can go from right to wrong and from wrong to right. Contrarians can be like survivalists by getting fixated on their own view of the future and the stupidity and blindness of the masses. Survivalists never look in the mirror. Fixated contrarian investors (better called divestors) are like those fixated people seeing the world as either left ir right leaning. They have an essentially ‘religious faith’ in their view of the world as being able to be divided into those that know the “truth” of their own faith (the left religion or the right religion) and so all the rest that don’t know if even reject their “faith”.
    Last edited by KC; 25-02-2018 at 09:03 AM.

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