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    You all know conspiracies are notoriously hard to keep, execute, or even remotely start due to the sheer number of players needed to keep on target...right?

    The network of people you'd have to keep onside in the US alone would be staggering. That's why a coup is so unlikely in the US...
    How do you know? only the failed ones come to light.

    Anyway, conspiracy - theories - are just the opposite. Easy to start, make up, perpetuate and the sheer numbers of people involved can fall to one and still be resurrected and spread again and again.
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    We all know that the Kennedy assassination was done by a lone wolf and no one else was involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    You all know conspiracies are notoriously hard to keep, execute, or even remotely start due to the sheer number of players needed to keep on target...right?

    The network of people you'd have to keep onside in the US alone would be staggering. That's why a coup is so unlikely in the US...
    How do you know? only the failed ones come to light.

    Anyway, conspiracy - theories - are just the opposite. Easy to start, make up, perpetuate and the sheer numbers of people involved can fall to one and still be resurrected and spread again and again.
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    We all know that the Kennedy assassination was done by a lone wolf and no one else was involved.
    Lone wolf. Soooo you’re one of those ‘deniers’.




    An interesting story. I remember the talk at the time of the ship’s cover story.

    How The CIA Found A Soviet Sub — Without The Soviets Knowing : Parallels : NPR

    https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...oviets-knowing
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    How can you tell when she is lying? Her lips are moving.

    A couple of problems with this picture. Mike Pence and Nikki Haley are in it but Pence was in Peru and Haley was in New York.

    6:31 PM - 14 Apr 2018
    Last night the President put our adversaries on notice: when he draws a red line he enforces it. (Inside the Situation Room as President is briefed on Syria - Official WH photos by Shealah Craighead)



    https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/985329759759601665

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    President Trump Files in Court to Intervene in Michael Cohen FBI Raid Case


    In the letter:
    “For the reasons detailed below, the Court should enter an order enjoining the government from proceeding with any review of the seized materials, and directing the government to provide a copy of the seized materials to Mr. Cohen so that our firm and the President may review for privilege those seized documents that relate to him,”

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    Basically "Give me copies of the documents you seized and I'll let you know if you can use them or not"

    Yeah, that'll go over well with the courts. In order to get the search warrant, the FBI had to present the evidence they had that showed they had reason to seize the documents from Cohen. It must have been quite compelling to get a federal judge to sign off on the seizure from the person lawyer of the president.

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    Mueller also set parallel legal actions into motion through State Attorneys that the President cannot intervene or pardon individuals for State crimes. He is thwarting every move by Trump. Mueller is playing 4th dimensional chess to Trump's legal manoeuvring in Tiddlywinks.

    Mueller is using the same techniques used in organized crime investigations such as the mob. Having a lawyer present or assist while committing fraud and other crimes violates the attorney-client privileges. In other words, you can't have Cohen in the room like a potted plant and then go about commiting crimes and state that it is all secret from a judge because Cohen was in the room.

    Cohen is such a sloppy lawyer and into all sort of nefarious activities after being the lawyer of a scumball businessman, that he is blind to the violations he has made to the Bar, his profession and the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    How can you tell when she is lying? Her lips are moving.

    A couple of problems with this picture. Mike Pence and Nikki Haley are in it but Pence was in Peru and Haley was in New York.

    6:31 PM - 14 Apr 2018
    Last night the President put our adversaries on notice: when he draws a red line he enforces it. (Inside the Situation Room as President is briefed on Syria - Official WH photos by Shealah Craighead)



    https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/985329759759601665

    Trump's press secretary issues clarification after posting misleading photo
    Sarah Sanders issued a begrudging clarification after being accused of posting a misleading photograph on Twitter of the president directing missile strikes

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...o-syria-strike

    Donald Trump’s press secretary issued a begrudging clarification on Sunday after being accused of posting a misleading photograph of the president online.


    Sarah Sanders was criticised for a tweet on Saturday that appeared to show Trump busily directing missile strikes against Syria from the White House situation room, with vice president Mike Pence at his right hand.

    “Last night the President put our adversaries on notice: when he draws a red line he enforces it,” Sanders wrote as a caption.

    Keen observers promptly noted that the photograph could not have been taken on Friday as the attacks were mounted – because by then Pence had arrived in Peru to deliver remarks at the Summit of the Americas.

    “Fascinating tweet in which Sarah Sanders reveals that Mike Pence was simultaneously in Peru and Washington,” said Walter Shaub, the former director of the office of government ethics. “If this new capability doesn’t scare our enemies, nothing will.”


    Sanders on Sunday responded with a new installment from the Trump administration’s series of prickly statements in which an inaccurate remark is simultaneously defended and amended.

    It said: “As I said, the President put our adversaries on notice that he enforces red lines with the strike on Syria Friday night. The photo was taken Thursday in the Situation Room during Syria briefing.”

    Trump, who frequently makes untrue statements, last month posted misleading photographs of his own. Pictures supposedly showing the start of work on his much-vaunted border wall in fact showed repairs to an existing fence in California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Basically "Give me copies of the documents you seized and I'll let you know if you can use them or not"

    Yeah, that'll go over well with the courts. In order to get the search warrant, the FBI had to present the evidence they had that showed they had reason to seize the documents from Cohen. It must have been quite compelling to get a federal judge to sign off on the seizure from the person lawyer of the president.
    “Basically "Give me copies of the documents you seized and I'll let you know if you can use them or not" “

    That’s sort of how it worked for Hilary Clinton. Her lawyers decided what the government should have. Then her legal people deleted everything else. Not sure why her legal team was allowed to decide but maybe that how it always works.
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    This is Cohen, the lawyer being investigated. At that time it was not Hillary's lawyer being investigated. The issues are entirely different.
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    This is a great question:

    "The Mueller investigation went from "Russian collusion" to "obstruction" to Paul Manafort's offshore wire transfers from 2012 to a porn star to Michael Cohen to a tabloid magazine in the supermarket checkout lane to Sean Hannity.


    How is this not a witch hunt?"
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    Demonstrating that you really don't follow anything that's going on, huh?
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    How history repeats itself



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Demonstrating that you really don't follow anything that's going on, huh?
    As if being a lawyer for the President of the United States means that you know the law and you know not to break it.



    Lawyers and others who went to jail during Watergate 'Witch Hunt'

    Herbert Kalmbach, President Richard Nixon’s personal attorney who paid “hush money” to Watergate burglars and later served prison time for breaking campaign-finance laws and selling ambassadorships.
    Herbert Warren Kalmbach served as the personal attorney to United States President Richard Nixon (1968–1973). He became embroiled in the Watergate scandal due to his fundraising activities in the early 1970s, some of which supported undercover operatives directed by senior White House figures under Nixon.
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    John Dean is an investment banker, author, columnist, lecturer, and attorney who served as White House Counsel for United States President Richard Nixon from July 1970 until April 1973. In this position, he became deeply involved in events leading up to the Watergate burglaries and the subsequent Watergate scandal cover-up. He was referred to as the "master manipulator of the cover-up" by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). He pleaded guilty to a single felony count, in exchange for becoming a key witness for the prosecution.
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    G. Gordon Liddy, is a former FBI agent, lawyer, talk show host, actor, and figure in the Watergate scandal as the chief operative in the White House Plumbers unit during the Nixon Administration. Liddy was convicted of conspiracy, burglary, and illegal wiretapping for his role in the scandal.
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    Robert Charles Mardian was a United States Republican party official who served in the administration of Richard Nixon, but was embroiled in the Watergate scandal as one of the Watergate Seven who were indicted by a grand jury for campaign violations. Mardian was appointed as general counsel to the Department of Health, Education and Welfare in the Nixon administration and later promotion as Assistant Attorney General.
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    Dwight Lee Chapin was an American political organizer, businessman, and retired public servant. He was Deputy Assistant to the President Richard Nixon, during the Watergate scandal. Chapin was convicted of lying to a grand jury (perjury) during the scandal and served nine months at the Federal Correctional Institution, Lompoc.
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    Harry Robbins "Bob" Haldeman was an American political aide and businessman, best known for his service as White House Chief of Staff to President Richard Nixon and his consequent involvement in the Watergate Affair. Haldeman was tried on counts of perjury, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice for his intimate role in the Watergate cover-up. He was found guilty and imprisoned for 18 months

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    John Daniel Ehrlichman was legal counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon. Ehrlichman was an important influence on Nixon's domestic policy, coaching him on issues and enlisting his support for environmental initiatives. Ehrlichman was a key figure in events leading to the Watergate break-in and the ensuing Watergate scandal, for which he was convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury and served a year and a half in prison.
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    "Chuck" Colson served as Special Counsel to President Richard Nixon from 1969 to 1973. Once known as President Nixon's "hatchet man," Colson gained notoriety at the height of the Watergate scandal, for being named as one of the Watergate Seven, and pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice for attempting to defame Pentagon Papers defendant Daniel Ellsberg. In 1974, he served seven months in the federal Maxwell Prison in Alabama as the first member of the Nixon administration to be incarcerated for Watergate-related charges.
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    Donald Henry Segretti is a lawyer and former political operative for then-U.S. President Richard Nixon's Committee to Re-elect the President (CREEP) during the early 1970s. Segretti served 4 1/2 months in prison after investigations related to the Watergate scandal revealed his leading role in extensive political sabotage efforts against the Democrats.
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    Maurice Hubert Stans was an American accountant, high-ranking civil servant, Cabinet member, and political organizer. He served as the finance chairman for the Committee to Re-elect the President, working for the re-election of Richard Nixon. While a peripheral figure in the ensuing Watergate Scandal, he was convicted on multiple counts under the Federal Election Campaign Act that were revealed during the larger investigation into Watergate.
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    E. Howard Hunt, was an American intelligence officer from 1949 to 1970, Hunt served as an officer in the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Along with G. Gordon Liddy and others, Hunt was one of the Nixon administration "plumbers", a team of operatives charged with identifying government sources of national security information "leaks" to outside parties. Hunt and Liddy plotted the Watergate burglaries and other clandestine operations for the Nixon administration. In the ensuing Watergate scandal, Hunt was convicted of burglary, conspiracy, and wiretapping, eventually serving 33 months in prison.
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    Bernard Leon Barker was a Watergate burglar and undercover operative in CIA directed plots to overthrow Cuban leader Fidel Castro. Investigators have revealed evidence linking him to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, including eyewitness accounts placing him at the grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza, Dallas, on November 22, 1963
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    John Mitchell was the Attorney General of the United States under President Richard Nixon. Prior to that, he had been a municipal bond lawyer, director of Nixon's 1968 presidential campaign, and one of Nixon's closest personal friends. After his tenure as Attorney General, he served as director of Nixon's 1972 presidential campaign. Due to multiple crimes he committed in the Watergate affair, Mitchell was sentenced to prison in 1977 and served 19 months. As Attorney General, he was noted for personifying the "law-and-order" positions of the Nixon administration, amid several high-profile anti-war demonstrations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Demonstrating that you really don't follow anything that's going on, huh?
    I've followed it just fine.

    The accusations have gone from "Trump colluded with Russia" to "Trump is obstructing justice" to "Trump had an affair" to "Trump's lawyer knows a TV host".

    What's the crime? Don't worry - they'll come up with one sometime!

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    You still don't understand that there are many players and just because Sean Hannity is in the news today does not mean that the Robert Mueller Investigation has let up on their investigation of Donald Trump and Russia. Even today, Trump is resisting adding sanctions against Russia.

    Don't forget that Cohen as Trump's lawyer was actively engaged in suspicious activities involving Russia

    The Trump–Russia dossier that was published in January 2017 stated Cohen had met with Russian officials in Prague in 2016; Cohen denied this. However, the DC Bureau of McClatchy Newspapers reported that Special Counsel Robert Mueller has evidence that Cohen did travel to Prague during the late-summer of 2016, with two sources having confirmed this secret trip.

    In late January 2017, Cohen met with Ukrainian opposition politician Andrey Artemenko and Felix Sater at the Loews Regency in Manhattan to discuss a plan to lift sanctions against Russia. The proposed plan would require that Russian forces withdraw from eastern Ukraine and that Ukraine hold a referendum on whether Crimea should be "leased" to Russia for 50 or 100 years. Cohen was given a written proposal in a sealed envelope that he delivered to then-National Security Advisor Michael Flynn in early February.


    In May 2017, amidst expanding inquiries into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election, two congressional panels asked Cohen to provide information about any communications he had with people connected to the Russian government. He was also a subject of the Mueller investigation in 2018.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cohen_(lawyer)
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    Mueller has evidence Michael Cohen traveled to Prague, report claims | US news | The Guardian


    McClatchy, which reported the news, said it was unclear if investigators have evidence Cohen met prominent Russian, as Steele dossier claimed

    Reuters
    Sat 14 Apr 2018

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-report-claims


    Trump lawyer Cohen denies media report of Prague trip | Article [AMP] | Reuters

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HL1C6
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Demonstrating that you really don't follow anything that's going on, huh?
    I've followed it just fine.

    The accusations have gone from "Trump colluded with Russia" to "Trump is obstructing justice" to "Trump had an affair" to "Trump's lawyer knows a TV host".

    What's the crime? Don't worry - they'll come up with one sometime!
    No... you clearly don't follow it "just fine."

    The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
    (i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
    (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
    (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
    Since I know you're too lazy to look up what "the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)" entails, here it is for you:


    § 600.4 Jurisdiction.

    (a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

    (b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

    (c)Civil and administrative jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel determines that administrative remedies, civil sanctions or other governmental action outside the criminal justice system might be appropriate, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General with respect to the appropriate component to take any necessary action. A Special Counsel shall not have civil or administrative authority unless specifically granted such jurisdiction by the Attorney General.
    So, based on the above information, which is not paraphrased, or has spin put on it in any way, please explain how Mueller has overstepped his bounds. I expect your response (if you even choose to give one) will show just how little you understand about the investigation.
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    First skeleton out of Hannity's closet. Expect more. Cohen specializes in this sort of cover up. And yet another Trump/Hannity/Russia probe link

    Hannity also hired Jay Sekulow — Trump’s top lawyer in the Russia probe: report

    The Atlantic revealed the identities of the two lawyers in the aftermath of the courtroom revelations that Hannity was the mysterious third client of Trump’s longtime personal attorney Michael Cohen — a relationship the Fox News host described as “informal” to viewers Monday night.


    Sekulow and Toensing sent the letter to Tulsa’s KFAQ after conservative activist Debbie Schlussel alleged on the station’s Pat Campbell show that Hannity had acted in a “creepy” manner with her and invited her to his hotel room. When reached for comment by the Atlantic, Toensing, who along with her husband has appeared as a guest on Hannity’s show, admitted that she had “at that time” represented the Fox News host, but would not say whether she still does.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/han...-probe-report/

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    Maybe a real estate connection???


    This embedded video is interesting. First I’d heard about the Pritt cone of silence.

    ‘Sean Hannity made all the guests on his show look like fools’: GOP ethics lawyer slams Fox News

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/sea...lams-fox-news/



    Get Smart cone of silence

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HWtPPWi6OMQ

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vsNR9FnxOdY


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqcSWI6Ppks
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    Love me some Richard Painter. It's like he stepped right out of Family Guy with that accent. I really hope he gets elected to the Senate.

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    Not only does Pruitt have a Cone Of Silence, but his car has bulletproof seat covers:
    http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...let-proof-seat
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    ^^^^^ Gord. Don't expect an answer from Mr.AltReich. he refuses to answer direct questions. He deflects, denies, changes the subject or goes silent hoping no one will notice. I am still waiting for an answer on his Syria strategy.
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    Right, he comes in, makes ridiculous comments, then runs away to hide for a bit... and then repeats. He refuses to answer followup questions because he knows he'll look like a fool.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    No, he does not know he looks like a fool. He thinks he is smarter than all of us. Sad...
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    The boy who cries sheeple is actually the sheeple.

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    Oh this is great.

    Law firm representing Trump in Cohen case called for a special counsel probe after Comey’s dismissal

    MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell on Tuesday reported stunning news about the attorneys defending Donald Trump in proceedings involving his longtime lawyer Michael Cohen, revealing the founders of the law firm representing the president originally called for special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/law...eys-dismissal/



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    “When I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said ‘you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.'” - Donald Trump, May 2017

    Donald Trump Just Changed His Story About James Comey’s Firing
    He now says it had nothing to do with Russia.

    Donald J. Trump

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    Slippery James Comey, the worst FBI Director in history, was not fired because of the phony Russia investigation where, by the way, there was NO COLLUSION (except by the Dems)!

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...comeys-firing/



    9:05 AM - Apr 18, 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    “When I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said ‘you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.'” - Donald Trump, May 2017

    Donald Trump Just Changed His Story About James Comey’s Firing
    He now says it had nothing to do with Russia.

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump
    Slippery James Comey, the worst FBI Director in history, was not fired because of the phony Russia investigation where, by the way, there was NO COLLUSION (except by the Dems)!

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...comeys-firing/



    9:05 AM - Apr 18, 2018
    Dementia.

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    White House coherence on Russia sanctions questioned as Nikki Haley rebukes staff
    Confusion arises after U.S. ambassador to UN announces forthcoming Russia sanctions
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/white-h...aley-1.4624440
    An internal White House quarrel over the timing of new Russia sanctions played out in public when the new economic adviser suggested UN Ambassador Nikki Haley was suffering from "momentary confusion," and Haley retorted: "With all due respect, I don't get confused."


    The feud appeared to quiet down after economic adviser Larry Kudlow called Haley to apologize Tuesday afternoon, a White House official said. The official spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to describe private discussions.
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    Huh... I wonder why Trump wouldn't want to implement sanctions against Russia. It's truly baffling.
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    Some comparisons:


    Trump reflects America at the moment, which has hardly anything to do with traditional values:
    Neil Macdonald | CBC News
    Excerpt:

    “Comey, on the other hand, the man Trump now calls "Slippery James Comey," and "a slimeball," and not very bright, has hardly been about anything other than public service.

    A conservative Republican who majored in religion and chemistry as an undergrad, going on to take a graduate degree and then a doctorate in law before choosing the average pay of a prosecutor rather than pursuing the huge income of a corporate lawyer, Comey eventually rose to U.S. Attorney of the Southern District of New York and then deputy attorney general.

    His relentlessness as a lawman tormented former president Bill Clinton, and, much later, Hillary Clinton. He was also principled enough that when former president George W. Bush sought re-authorization of his secret, illegal program of domestic wiretapping, then-acting attorney general Comey stood with then-FBI director Robert Mueller and threatened to resign.
    ...”

    “Oh, and speaking of Mueller, another career public servant derided by a president who describes himself as more presidential than any previous president except perhaps Abraham Lincoln (ponder that for a moment):

    Mueller, a lifelong Republican, is probably the personification of that ideal commander-in-chief. He enlisted in the Marines at age 23 after earning a master's degree and went to Vietnam as commander of a rifle platoon. He rescued a fellow soldier under fire, and continued to lead his men after being wounded. For that he was given the Bronze Star for valour.
    ...”


    http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trump...lues-1.4623564



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    Why do I bother keep trying to have a discussion with you guys? I come back this morning to have a discussion and all i see is that you cannot even respond to any of my posts without throwing insults and name-calling. It's pathetic behavior.

    I see why so many people who disagree with you don't usually bother wasting their time trying to reason with the left-wingers here. Posting is a waste of time. You don't even wait for a response before name-calling, bullying and piling on. It's completely disgraceful.
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    Yeah, the problem is the people who vehemently disagree with the lies, propaganda & utter BS you consistently post & not your intentionally inflammatory regressive alt-right content.
    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Demonstrating that you really don't follow anything that's going on, huh?
    I've followed it just fine.

    The accusations have gone from "Trump colluded with Russia" to "Trump is obstructing justice" to "Trump had an affair" to "Trump's lawyer knows a TV host".

    What's the crime? Don't worry - they'll come up with one sometime!
    I’ll address the comment.

    Several of Trump’s campaign people had meetings with Russians when there was little reason to contact them when it was a US election. Most of it seemed like a bunch of bumbling idiots trying to get dirt on Hilary Clinton while setting themselves up for potential legal charges for collusion. Then Trump fired Comey. That set himself up for potential obstruction of justice charges.

    So now the suspicious campaign staff actions and possible financial dealings may be providing a possible needed motive for for these Russian meetings and Russian propaganda / manipulation efforts.

    No charges yet and maybe none to come against Trump himself but there have been charges against a number of people. Some of these people would otherwise be working in or for the US government and potentially at risk of having to do the bidding of the Russians if they were compromised.

    The lawyer thing is a side issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    The lawyer thing is a side issue.
    Which is why Mueller didn't handle it directly & instead had it passed off to a more relevant party so it could be handled appropriately while he stayed within his mandate.
    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    Mr.Oilers has a point though that if there was strong evidence against Trump one would think that the investigation group(s) would have acted by now. Can you imagine the issues if it was found that they had Trump nailed for something, say a year ago, but didn’t act on the evidence and kept the citizens in the dark about their own president. (Avoiding a direct investigation into Trump, to date, may avoid that risk.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Mr.Oilers has a point though that if there was strong evidence against Trump one would think that the investigation group(s) would have acted by now.
    Only if your knowledge of how the American legal system works is from crappy cop/lawyer procedural shows like Law & Order, Matlock, CSI:Wherever & Bones. It took years for Watergate to bring down Nixon.


    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Can you imagine the issues if it was found that they had Trump nailed for something, say a year ago, but didn’t act on the evidence and kept the citizens in the dark about their own president. (Avoiding a direct investigation into Trump, to date, may avoid that risk.)
    It's not their job to "nail" anyone, it's their job to conduct a thorough & lawful investigation & determine there's sufficient evidence to warrant the pressing of charges. It's up to the courts to decide whether that evidence constitutes sufficient proof to "nail" them via conviction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Mr.Oilers has a point though that if there was strong evidence against Trump one would think that the investigation group(s) would have acted by now.
    Only if your knowledge of how the American legal system works is from crappy cop/lawyer procedural shows like Law & Order, Matlock, CSI:Wherever & Bones. It took years for Watergate to bring down Nixon.


    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Can you imagine the issues if it was found that they had Trump nailed for something, say a year ago, but didn’t act on the evidence and kept the citizens in the dark about their own president. (Avoiding a direct investigation into Trump, to date, may avoid that risk.)
    It's not their job to "nail" anyone, it's their job to conduct a thorough & lawful investigation & determine there's sufficient evidence to warrant the pressing of charges. It's up to the courts to decide whether that evidence constitutes sufficient proof to "nail" them via conviction.
    Ok “charge”.

    Legal knowledge? Yup. TV is pretty much my source of legal info. on the US.

    So with Nixon, did they have sufficient evidence to lay charges but continued for months/years before they acted?

    Wikipedia is a poor source to but here’s a timeline:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time...ergate_scandal
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC
    So with Nixon, did they have sufficient evidence to lay charges but continued for months/years before they acted?


    Why are you asking the board to summarize one of the most well known political scandals of all time for you? There's plenty of information out there, readily available. But the short answer is "no, they didn't have sufficient evidence" until the investigation was a couple years in. And even after Nixon did release the (doctored) tapes to the special counsel that clearly showed he was
    aware of the criminal conduct around the break-ins and was obstructing justice, it still took another 6-8 months for him to resign.

    And ultimately, Mueller is incredibly unlikely to recommend criminal charges against Trump himself. Most legal experts agree that a sitting President cannot be indicted, because they can just turn around and pardon themselves. What Mueller will do, if he finds that Trump himself had likely committed criminal acts during or after the campaign, is to write a report outlining the accusations and passing it off to Congress to deal with politically, not criminally.
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    Building the case takes time. Trump is slippery and he has many allies. It would be risky to try to nail Trump on two or three charges. Mueller is working up the food chain and targeting specific people who are turning on Trump and providing more evidence. Mueller will not only have multiple witnesses and irrefutable evidence but also have both Federal and State charges for money laundering, lying to investigators and other fraud and obstruction charges. Trump cannot pardon himself on State charges.

    Mueller is not racing to the finish but following the facts on a thorough, intelligent investigation that will stick.
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    The question of a president pardoning himself has never been answered simply because it's never come up except in the abstract. In reality, the Supreme Court would like have to rule on it's legality.

    The same with a sitting President being charged with criminal charges. One possibility would be to invoke the 25th amendment, particularly sections 3 and 4


    Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.


    Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.


    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty...s_Constitution
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC
    So with Nixon, did they have sufficient evidence to lay charges but continued for months/years before they acted?


    Why are you asking the board to summarize one of the most well known political scandals of all time for you? There's plenty of information out there, readily available. But the short answer is "no, they didn't have sufficient evidence" until the investigation was a couple years in. And even after Nixon did release the (doctored) tapes to the special counsel that clearly showed he was
    aware of the criminal conduct around the break-ins and was obstructing justice, it still took another 6-8 months for him to resign.

    And ultimately, Mueller is incredibly unlikely to recommend criminal charges against Trump himself. Most legal experts agree that a sitting President cannot be indicted, because they can just turn around and pardon themselves. What Mueller will do, if he finds that Trump himself had likely committed criminal acts during or after the campaign, is to write a report outlining the accusations and passing it off to Congress to deal with politically, not criminally.
    Context matters.

    Read upthread.

    As for: “Mueller is incredibly unlikely to recommend criminal charges against Trump himself.” I’m not sure. Noodle’s argument has merit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    The question of a president pardoning himself has never been answered simply because it's never come up except in the abstract. In reality, the Supreme Court would like have to rule on it's legality.

    The same with a sitting President being charged with criminal charges. One possibility would be to invoke the 25th amendment, particularly sections 3 and 4


    Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.


    Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.


    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty...s_Constitution
    Interesting trivia:

    Opinion

    MEANWHILE : The U.S. Founding Fathers Worried About Pardons
    By LEE DEMBART and INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNEFEB. 20, 2001


    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2001/02/2...t-pardons.html

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    He's worried he couldn't prove libel if the details of the dossier prove to be true.

    Trump lawyer Michael Cohen drops libel suit against Fusion GPS as legal woes pile up

    Trump attorney Michael Cohen has dropped his libel suit against private investigation firm Fusion GPS, which funded former MI6 spy Christopher Steele’s dossier that alleged Cohen met with Russian government officials in Prague in the summer of 2016.


    Cohen had sued both Fusion GPS and BuzzFeed News, which published the contents of Steele’s dossier, for libel in 2017.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/tru...gal-woes-pile/

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    It sounds like Rudy is going to be negotiating Trump's resignation. I see no way he could possibly think he could negotiate an end to the investigation.

    Rudy Giuliani Is Joining Trump’s Legal Team to End the Mueller Investigation

    “I’m doing it because I hope we can negotiate an end to this for the good of the country and because I have high regard for the president and for Bob Mueller,” Giuliani said in an interview.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...stigation.html

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    So why is he lying about staying overnight in Moscow? Why bother even bringing it up if he feels he did nothing wrong?

    Did Trump stay overnight in Russia in 2013? Evidence points to yes

    He said he had spoken to people who had been on the Miss Universe trip with him and they had reminded him that he didn’t stay overnight in Russia for that,” Comey recounted from his Jan. 28, 2017 dinner with the president. “He said he arrived in the morning, did events, then showered and dressed for the pageant at the hotel (he didn’t say the hotel name) and left for the pageant. Afterwards, he returned only to get his things because they departed for New York by plane that same night.”

    Several days later, on February 8, Trump raised the subject again. “The president brought up the ‘Golden Showers thing’ and said it really bothered him if his wife had any doubt about it. He then explained, as he did at our dinner, that he hadn’t stayed overnight in Russia.”


    But as Bloomberg News reported last year — using flight records and social media postings — Trump was in Russia from Friday through Sunday of that week in 2013. The detailed accounting used FAA records to demonstrate that Trump left New York late Thursday night, on a private plane owned by a business partner, Phil Ruffin.


    According to Bloomberg:


    Trump surfaced on Friday, Nov. 8, in a Facebook post by Nobu Moscow. He was posing in daylight outside the restaurant with Emin [Agalarov], wearing a red tie and a dark overcoat…. The next day, Saturday, Nov. 9, Facebook posts show Trump at the Ritz, sitting at the end of an oval, wood table in a hotel conference room. He was there filming a music video for Emin, in which he delivers his signature “You’re fired” line from “The Apprentice” TV show.
    The report continued:


    At some point on Sunday, Nov. 10, Trump jetted home to New York, where that evening he tweeted about his return: “I just got back from Russia-learned lots and lots. Moscow is a very interesting and amazing place! U.S. MUST BE VERY SMART AND VERY STRATEGIC.


    In addition, NBC News reported last November on testimony from longtime Trump bodyguard Keith Schiller, who testified before the House Intelligence Committee that Trump went to bed alone while in Russia, according to two sources.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...ts-yes-n867951

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    It sounds like Rudy is going to be negotiating Trump's resignation. I see no way he could possibly think he could negotiate an end to the investigation.

    Rudy Giuliani Is Joining Trump’s Legal Team to End the Mueller Investigation

    “I’m doing it because I hope we can negotiate an end to this for the good of the country and because I have high regard for the president and for Bob Mueller,” Giuliani said in an interview.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...stigation.html
    Remember this:

    Leaks everywhere - Giuliani receiving leaked information




    Michael Moore: Giuliani 'knew something' before FBI announcement | TheHill

    Excerpt:
    “However, Giuliani suggested he may have known something in advance.

    Pressed by Fox News host Steve Doocy to elaborate on whether he knew the FBI's announcement was coming, Giuliani said that he had heard about the prospect.

    "I did nothing to get it out. I had no role in it. Did I hear about it? You're darn right I heard about it, and I can't even repeat the language that I heard from the FBI agents."
    ...”


    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...illary-clinton

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    He just cannot understand why people simply don't believe what he says, even when there's evidence proving that he's lying.

    And he apparently doesn't realize that it's illegal to lie to the FBI and Comey was at the dinner at the White House as the head of the FBI, not as a private citizen.


    Trump’s false claims to Comey about Moscow stay could aid Mueller
    James Comey says the president told him that he never spent the night in Moscow in 2013, but flight records, social media and his bodyguard's testimony show otherwise.

    Late last January, at a private White House dinner attended only by Donald Trump and Jim Comey, the president steered the conversation to a sensitive topic: “the golden showers thing.” He wanted the then-FBI director to know, Comey later wrote in a memo, that not only did he not consort with hookers in a Moscow hotel room in 2013, it was an impossibility. Trump “had spoken to people who had been on… the trip with him and they had reminded him that he didn’t stay over night in Russia for that," Comey recalled.


    Trump made the same claim a second time, telling Comey in a later Oval Office meeting "that he hadn’t stayed overnight in Russia during the Miss Universe trip,” as Comey wrote.


    But flight records obtained by POLITICO, as well as congressional testimony from Trump's bodyguard and contemporaneous photographs and social media posts, tell a different story—one that might bring new legal jeopardy for the president, legal experts say.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...r-comey-545834


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    ""Right from the beginning, there's no hesitation, one of the great memories of all time," he continued, pointing to his brain. " - Donald Trump, October 25, 2017

    Miss Universe host confirms Trump lied when he told Comey he never stayed overnight in Moscow


    "Thomas Roberts, who hosted the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow, says that President Donald Trump did spend the night in Moscow.


    Previously, Trump denied the salacious allegations that Russian hookers defiled the bed in his hotel suite. The alleged motivation was that President Barack Obama had once stayed in the same room.


    But Trump has said the allegations can’t be true, because he never spent the night in Moscow."

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/mis...rnight-moscow/

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    A move worthy of Putin.

    Trump Announces He’s Considering Interfering With Justice Department Investigations

    The Justice Department and the FBI are supposed to maintain independence and avoid political interference in criminal investigations and prosecutions. But Trump has expressed a desire for an attorney general who will shield him from investigations. Since taking office, Trump has fired former FBI Director James Comey and pressured Attorney General Jeff Sessions to remove Comey’s deputy, Andrew McCabe. Trump has also reportedly considered removing other top-ranking Justice Department officials, including Sessions, who recused himself from the Russia probe against Trump’s wishes; Mueller; Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed and oversees Mueller; and FBI Director Christopher Wray, whom Trump appointed to replace Comey. Trump may have been referring to some of these people on Thursday when he said, “They have this witch hunt going on with people in the Justice Department that shouldn’t be there.”


    Trump has also repeatedly suggested the DOJ should prosecute some of his critics, including Hillary Clinton and Comey.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...nvestigations/

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    It’s your Justice Department!’: Fox News hosts tried and failed to halt Trump’s rant
    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.wash...t-trumps-rant/
    President Trump had been ranting for 2 minutes and 52 seconds about former FBI director James B. Comey, “fake news CNN” and the Justice Department when “Fox & Friends” co-host Steve Doocy interjected.

    “It's your Justice Department!” Doocy exclaimed while interviewing Trump by phone on Fox News's morning show on Thursday. “Mr. President, Mr. President, you're the Republican in charge. You've got a Republican running it.”

    Even Doocy, an ardent Trump apologist, seemed flabbergasted by the logical fallacy of Trump's deep-state conspiracy theory.

    Related: [The curiously Republican leaders of the supposed 'deep state' conspiracy against Trump]

    But Trump was undeterred.


    President Trump, for the first time, said that Michael Cohen represented him in efforts to silence Stormy Daniels in an interview with "Fox & Friends" April 26. (Allie Caren/The Washington Post)
    “I answer this all the time,” Trump replied. “Because of the fact that they have this witch hunt going on with people in the Justice Department that shouldn't be there, they have a witch hunt against the president of the United States going on, I've taken the position — and I don't have to take this position, maybe I'll change — that I will not be involved with the Justice Department. I will wait till this is over. It's a total — it's all lies, and it's a horrible thing that's going on, a horrible thing.”

    Trump was, of course, venting his frustration at special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, a probe Mueller took over upon appointment by Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein. Trump has repeatedly criticized Rosenstein and Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who recused himself from the investigation because of his role in Trump's campaign.

    Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller are all Republicans.

    As Trump went on, increasingly irate, Doocy and co-hosts Ainsley Earhardt and Brian Kilmeade appeared uncomfortable, looking down and exchanging glances. They tried to move Trump along to another subject.


    “Okay,” Doocy said, after Trump had raged for an additional 37 seconds.

    The president continued.

    “All right,” Earhardt said.


    On and on Trump fumed about being “very disappointed in my Justice Department.” He spoke for 34 more seconds. “Fox & Friends” cut away from the hosts' facial reactions, showing a wall bearing Trump's photograph and a live shot of the White House.

    “All right,” Kilmeade said, taking a turn.

    The president would not be stopped.


    “By the way,” he said, elevating his volume just a bit, as he beat back attempts to cut him off, “the only collusion is the collusion with the Democrats and the Russians.”

    For 40 more seconds, Trump extended his monologue.

    At last, Kilmeade managed to redirect Trump with this: “All right, let's talk about Michael Cohen.”

    The episode was reminiscent of the way Trump bulldozed through a February phone interview on Jeanine Pirro's Fox News show. The president appears to favor phone interviews because he can more easily talk over his questioners than he could if faced with nonverbal cues in person or on camera.

    What is striking is that Doocy, Earhardt, Kilmeade and Pirro are Trump sympathizers. And in the interview on Thursday, the “Fox & Friends” hosts seemed to be trying to save Trump from spiraling as much as attempting to regain control of the conversation.

    By ignoring them, Trump showed again that his impulses cannot be curbed, even by those looking out for his interests.
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    Wow... Trump needs to call in to Fox and Friends every day. It would really help move the case against him along.

    So, how long before we hear about some of his other lawyers quitting? This guy is unhinged, and would have to be the absolute worst client to have. The best thing about Trump is that he has absolutely no clue when to keep his mouth shut, or what not to say to hurt his claims. The more he talks, the bigger his hole gets. Amazing.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Yes. He does have the biggest hole. YUGE! THE BEST HOLE...
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