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    You all know conspiracies are notoriously hard to keep, execute, or even remotely start due to the sheer number of players needed to keep on target...right?

    The network of people you'd have to keep onside in the US alone would be staggering. That's why a coup is so unlikely in the US...
    How do you know? only the failed ones come to light.

    Anyway, conspiracy - theories - are just the opposite. Easy to start, make up, perpetuate and the sheer numbers of people involved can fall to one and still be resurrected and spread again and again.
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    We all know that the Kennedy assassination was done by a lone wolf and no one else was involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    You all know conspiracies are notoriously hard to keep, execute, or even remotely start due to the sheer number of players needed to keep on target...right?

    The network of people you'd have to keep onside in the US alone would be staggering. That's why a coup is so unlikely in the US...
    How do you know? only the failed ones come to light.

    Anyway, conspiracy - theories - are just the opposite. Easy to start, make up, perpetuate and the sheer numbers of people involved can fall to one and still be resurrected and spread again and again.
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    We all know that the Kennedy assassination was done by a lone wolf and no one else was involved.
    Lone wolf. Soooo you’re one of those ‘deniers’.




    An interesting story. I remember the talk at the time of the ship’s cover story.

    How The CIA Found A Soviet Sub — Without The Soviets Knowing : Parallels : NPR

    https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...oviets-knowing
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    How can you tell when she is lying? Her lips are moving.

    A couple of problems with this picture. Mike Pence and Nikki Haley are in it but Pence was in Peru and Haley was in New York.

    6:31 PM - 14 Apr 2018
    Last night the President put our adversaries on notice: when he draws a red line he enforces it. (Inside the Situation Room as President is briefed on Syria - Official WH photos by Shealah Craighead)



    https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/985329759759601665

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    President Trump Files in Court to Intervene in Michael Cohen FBI Raid Case


    In the letter:
    “For the reasons detailed below, the Court should enter an order enjoining the government from proceeding with any review of the seized materials, and directing the government to provide a copy of the seized materials to Mr. Cohen so that our firm and the President may review for privilege those seized documents that relate to him,”

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    Basically "Give me copies of the documents you seized and I'll let you know if you can use them or not"

    Yeah, that'll go over well with the courts. In order to get the search warrant, the FBI had to present the evidence they had that showed they had reason to seize the documents from Cohen. It must have been quite compelling to get a federal judge to sign off on the seizure from the person lawyer of the president.

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    Mueller also set parallel legal actions into motion through State Attorneys that the President cannot intervene or pardon individuals for State crimes. He is thwarting every move by Trump. Mueller is playing 4th dimensional chess to Trump's legal manoeuvring in Tiddlywinks.

    Mueller is using the same techniques used in organized crime investigations such as the mob. Having a lawyer present or assist while committing fraud and other crimes violates the attorney-client privileges. In other words, you can't have Cohen in the room like a potted plant and then go about commiting crimes and state that it is all secret from a judge because Cohen was in the room.

    Cohen is such a sloppy lawyer and into all sort of nefarious activities after being the lawyer of a scumball businessman, that he is blind to the violations he has made to the Bar, his profession and the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    How can you tell when she is lying? Her lips are moving.

    A couple of problems with this picture. Mike Pence and Nikki Haley are in it but Pence was in Peru and Haley was in New York.

    6:31 PM - 14 Apr 2018
    Last night the President put our adversaries on notice: when he draws a red line he enforces it. (Inside the Situation Room as President is briefed on Syria - Official WH photos by Shealah Craighead)



    https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/985329759759601665

    Trump's press secretary issues clarification after posting misleading photo
    Sarah Sanders issued a begrudging clarification after being accused of posting a misleading photograph on Twitter of the president directing missile strikes

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...o-syria-strike

    Donald Trump’s press secretary issued a begrudging clarification on Sunday after being accused of posting a misleading photograph of the president online.


    Sarah Sanders was criticised for a tweet on Saturday that appeared to show Trump busily directing missile strikes against Syria from the White House situation room, with vice president Mike Pence at his right hand.

    “Last night the President put our adversaries on notice: when he draws a red line he enforces it,” Sanders wrote as a caption.

    Keen observers promptly noted that the photograph could not have been taken on Friday as the attacks were mounted – because by then Pence had arrived in Peru to deliver remarks at the Summit of the Americas.

    “Fascinating tweet in which Sarah Sanders reveals that Mike Pence was simultaneously in Peru and Washington,” said Walter Shaub, the former director of the office of government ethics. “If this new capability doesn’t scare our enemies, nothing will.”


    Sanders on Sunday responded with a new installment from the Trump administration’s series of prickly statements in which an inaccurate remark is simultaneously defended and amended.

    It said: “As I said, the President put our adversaries on notice that he enforces red lines with the strike on Syria Friday night. The photo was taken Thursday in the Situation Room during Syria briefing.”

    Trump, who frequently makes untrue statements, last month posted misleading photographs of his own. Pictures supposedly showing the start of work on his much-vaunted border wall in fact showed repairs to an existing fence in California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Basically "Give me copies of the documents you seized and I'll let you know if you can use them or not"

    Yeah, that'll go over well with the courts. In order to get the search warrant, the FBI had to present the evidence they had that showed they had reason to seize the documents from Cohen. It must have been quite compelling to get a federal judge to sign off on the seizure from the person lawyer of the president.
    “Basically "Give me copies of the documents you seized and I'll let you know if you can use them or not" “

    That’s sort of how it worked for Hilary Clinton. Her lawyers decided what the government should have. Then her legal people deleted everything else. Not sure why her legal team was allowed to decide but maybe that how it always works.
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    This is Cohen, the lawyer being investigated. At that time it was not Hillary's lawyer being investigated. The issues are entirely different.
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    This is a great question:

    "The Mueller investigation went from "Russian collusion" to "obstruction" to Paul Manafort's offshore wire transfers from 2012 to a porn star to Michael Cohen to a tabloid magazine in the supermarket checkout lane to Sean Hannity.


    How is this not a witch hunt?"
    https://twitter.com/ARmastrangelo/st...11771499700225

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    Demonstrating that you really don't follow anything that's going on, huh?
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    How history repeats itself



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Demonstrating that you really don't follow anything that's going on, huh?
    As if being a lawyer for the President of the United States means that you know the law and you know not to break it.



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    Herbert Kalmbach, President Richard Nixon’s personal attorney who paid “hush money” to Watergate burglars and later served prison time for breaking campaign-finance laws and selling ambassadorships.
    Herbert Warren Kalmbach served as the personal attorney to United States President Richard Nixon (1968–1973). He became embroiled in the Watergate scandal due to his fundraising activities in the early 1970s, some of which supported undercover operatives directed by senior White House figures under Nixon.
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    John Dean is an investment banker, author, columnist, lecturer, and attorney who served as White House Counsel for United States President Richard Nixon from July 1970 until April 1973. In this position, he became deeply involved in events leading up to the Watergate burglaries and the subsequent Watergate scandal cover-up. He was referred to as the "master manipulator of the cover-up" by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). He pleaded guilty to a single felony count, in exchange for becoming a key witness for the prosecution.
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    G. Gordon Liddy, is a former FBI agent, lawyer, talk show host, actor, and figure in the Watergate scandal as the chief operative in the White House Plumbers unit during the Nixon Administration. Liddy was convicted of conspiracy, burglary, and illegal wiretapping for his role in the scandal.
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    Robert Charles Mardian was a United States Republican party official who served in the administration of Richard Nixon, but was embroiled in the Watergate scandal as one of the Watergate Seven who were indicted by a grand jury for campaign violations. Mardian was appointed as general counsel to the Department of Health, Education and Welfare in the Nixon administration and later promotion as Assistant Attorney General.
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    Dwight Lee Chapin was an American political organizer, businessman, and retired public servant. He was Deputy Assistant to the President Richard Nixon, during the Watergate scandal. Chapin was convicted of lying to a grand jury (perjury) during the scandal and served nine months at the Federal Correctional Institution, Lompoc.
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    Harry Robbins "Bob" Haldeman was an American political aide and businessman, best known for his service as White House Chief of Staff to President Richard Nixon and his consequent involvement in the Watergate Affair. Haldeman was tried on counts of perjury, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice for his intimate role in the Watergate cover-up. He was found guilty and imprisoned for 18 months

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    John Daniel Ehrlichman was legal counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon. Ehrlichman was an important influence on Nixon's domestic policy, coaching him on issues and enlisting his support for environmental initiatives. Ehrlichman was a key figure in events leading to the Watergate break-in and the ensuing Watergate scandal, for which he was convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury and served a year and a half in prison.
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    "Chuck" Colson served as Special Counsel to President Richard Nixon from 1969 to 1973. Once known as President Nixon's "hatchet man," Colson gained notoriety at the height of the Watergate scandal, for being named as one of the Watergate Seven, and pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice for attempting to defame Pentagon Papers defendant Daniel Ellsberg. In 1974, he served seven months in the federal Maxwell Prison in Alabama as the first member of the Nixon administration to be incarcerated for Watergate-related charges.
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    Donald Henry Segretti is a lawyer and former political operative for then-U.S. President Richard Nixon's Committee to Re-elect the President (CREEP) during the early 1970s. Segretti served 4 1/2 months in prison after investigations related to the Watergate scandal revealed his leading role in extensive political sabotage efforts against the Democrats.
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    Maurice Hubert Stans was an American accountant, high-ranking civil servant, Cabinet member, and political organizer. He served as the finance chairman for the Committee to Re-elect the President, working for the re-election of Richard Nixon. While a peripheral figure in the ensuing Watergate Scandal, he was convicted on multiple counts under the Federal Election Campaign Act that were revealed during the larger investigation into Watergate.
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    E. Howard Hunt, was an American intelligence officer from 1949 to 1970, Hunt served as an officer in the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Along with G. Gordon Liddy and others, Hunt was one of the Nixon administration "plumbers", a team of operatives charged with identifying government sources of national security information "leaks" to outside parties. Hunt and Liddy plotted the Watergate burglaries and other clandestine operations for the Nixon administration. In the ensuing Watergate scandal, Hunt was convicted of burglary, conspiracy, and wiretapping, eventually serving 33 months in prison.
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    Bernard Leon Barker was a Watergate burglar and undercover operative in CIA directed plots to overthrow Cuban leader Fidel Castro. Investigators have revealed evidence linking him to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, including eyewitness accounts placing him at the grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza, Dallas, on November 22, 1963
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    John Mitchell was the Attorney General of the United States under President Richard Nixon. Prior to that, he had been a municipal bond lawyer, director of Nixon's 1968 presidential campaign, and one of Nixon's closest personal friends. After his tenure as Attorney General, he served as director of Nixon's 1972 presidential campaign. Due to multiple crimes he committed in the Watergate affair, Mitchell was sentenced to prison in 1977 and served 19 months. As Attorney General, he was noted for personifying the "law-and-order" positions of the Nixon administration, amid several high-profile anti-war demonstrations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Demonstrating that you really don't follow anything that's going on, huh?
    I've followed it just fine.

    The accusations have gone from "Trump colluded with Russia" to "Trump is obstructing justice" to "Trump had an affair" to "Trump's lawyer knows a TV host".

    What's the crime? Don't worry - they'll come up with one sometime!

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    You still don't understand that there are many players and just because Sean Hannity is in the news today does not mean that the Robert Mueller Investigation has let up on their investigation of Donald Trump and Russia. Even today, Trump is resisting adding sanctions against Russia.

    Don't forget that Cohen as Trump's lawyer was actively engaged in suspicious activities involving Russia

    The Trump–Russia dossier that was published in January 2017 stated Cohen had met with Russian officials in Prague in 2016; Cohen denied this. However, the DC Bureau of McClatchy Newspapers reported that Special Counsel Robert Mueller has evidence that Cohen did travel to Prague during the late-summer of 2016, with two sources having confirmed this secret trip.

    In late January 2017, Cohen met with Ukrainian opposition politician Andrey Artemenko and Felix Sater at the Loews Regency in Manhattan to discuss a plan to lift sanctions against Russia. The proposed plan would require that Russian forces withdraw from eastern Ukraine and that Ukraine hold a referendum on whether Crimea should be "leased" to Russia for 50 or 100 years. Cohen was given a written proposal in a sealed envelope that he delivered to then-National Security Advisor Michael Flynn in early February.


    In May 2017, amidst expanding inquiries into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election, two congressional panels asked Cohen to provide information about any communications he had with people connected to the Russian government. He was also a subject of the Mueller investigation in 2018.
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    Mueller has evidence Michael Cohen traveled to Prague, report claims | US news | The Guardian


    McClatchy, which reported the news, said it was unclear if investigators have evidence Cohen met prominent Russian, as Steele dossier claimed

    Reuters
    Sat 14 Apr 2018

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-report-claims


    Trump lawyer Cohen denies media report of Prague trip | Article [AMP] | Reuters

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HL1C6
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Demonstrating that you really don't follow anything that's going on, huh?
    I've followed it just fine.

    The accusations have gone from "Trump colluded with Russia" to "Trump is obstructing justice" to "Trump had an affair" to "Trump's lawyer knows a TV host".

    What's the crime? Don't worry - they'll come up with one sometime!
    No... you clearly don't follow it "just fine."

    The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
    (i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
    (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
    (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
    Since I know you're too lazy to look up what "the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)" entails, here it is for you:


    § 600.4 Jurisdiction.

    (a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

    (b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

    (c)Civil and administrative jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel determines that administrative remedies, civil sanctions or other governmental action outside the criminal justice system might be appropriate, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General with respect to the appropriate component to take any necessary action. A Special Counsel shall not have civil or administrative authority unless specifically granted such jurisdiction by the Attorney General.
    So, based on the above information, which is not paraphrased, or has spin put on it in any way, please explain how Mueller has overstepped his bounds. I expect your response (if you even choose to give one) will show just how little you understand about the investigation.
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    First skeleton out of Hannity's closet. Expect more. Cohen specializes in this sort of cover up. And yet another Trump/Hannity/Russia probe link

    Hannity also hired Jay Sekulow — Trump’s top lawyer in the Russia probe: report

    The Atlantic revealed the identities of the two lawyers in the aftermath of the courtroom revelations that Hannity was the mysterious third client of Trump’s longtime personal attorney Michael Cohen — a relationship the Fox News host described as “informal” to viewers Monday night.


    Sekulow and Toensing sent the letter to Tulsa’s KFAQ after conservative activist Debbie Schlussel alleged on the station’s Pat Campbell show that Hannity had acted in a “creepy” manner with her and invited her to his hotel room. When reached for comment by the Atlantic, Toensing, who along with her husband has appeared as a guest on Hannity’s show, admitted that she had “at that time” represented the Fox News host, but would not say whether she still does.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/han...-probe-report/

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    Maybe a real estate connection???


    This embedded video is interesting. First I’d heard about the Pritt cone of silence.

    ‘Sean Hannity made all the guests on his show look like fools’: GOP ethics lawyer slams Fox News

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/sea...lams-fox-news/



    Get Smart cone of silence

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HWtPPWi6OMQ

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vsNR9FnxOdY


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqcSWI6Ppks
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    Love me some Richard Painter. It's like he stepped right out of Family Guy with that accent. I really hope he gets elected to the Senate.

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    Not only does Pruitt have a Cone Of Silence, but his car has bulletproof seat covers:
    http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...let-proof-seat
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    ^^^^^ Gord. Don't expect an answer from Mr.AltReich. he refuses to answer direct questions. He deflects, denies, changes the subject or goes silent hoping no one will notice. I am still waiting for an answer on his Syria strategy.
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    Right, he comes in, makes ridiculous comments, then runs away to hide for a bit... and then repeats. He refuses to answer followup questions because he knows he'll look like a fool.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    No, he does not know he looks like a fool. He thinks he is smarter than all of us. Sad...
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    The boy who cries sheeple is actually the sheeple.

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    Oh this is great.

    Law firm representing Trump in Cohen case called for a special counsel probe after Comey’s dismissal

    MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell on Tuesday reported stunning news about the attorneys defending Donald Trump in proceedings involving his longtime lawyer Michael Cohen, revealing the founders of the law firm representing the president originally called for special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/law...eys-dismissal/



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    “When I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said ‘you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.'” - Donald Trump, May 2017

    Donald Trump Just Changed His Story About James Comey’s Firing
    He now says it had nothing to do with Russia.

    Donald J. Trump

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    Slippery James Comey, the worst FBI Director in history, was not fired because of the phony Russia investigation where, by the way, there was NO COLLUSION (except by the Dems)!

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...comeys-firing/



    9:05 AM - Apr 18, 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    “When I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said ‘you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.'” - Donald Trump, May 2017

    Donald Trump Just Changed His Story About James Comey’s Firing
    He now says it had nothing to do with Russia.

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump
    Slippery James Comey, the worst FBI Director in history, was not fired because of the phony Russia investigation where, by the way, there was NO COLLUSION (except by the Dems)!

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...comeys-firing/



    9:05 AM - Apr 18, 2018
    Dementia.

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    White House coherence on Russia sanctions questioned as Nikki Haley rebukes staff
    Confusion arises after U.S. ambassador to UN announces forthcoming Russia sanctions
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/white-h...aley-1.4624440
    An internal White House quarrel over the timing of new Russia sanctions played out in public when the new economic adviser suggested UN Ambassador Nikki Haley was suffering from "momentary confusion," and Haley retorted: "With all due respect, I don't get confused."


    The feud appeared to quiet down after economic adviser Larry Kudlow called Haley to apologize Tuesday afternoon, a White House official said. The official spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to describe private discussions.
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    Huh... I wonder why Trump wouldn't want to implement sanctions against Russia. It's truly baffling.
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    Some comparisons:


    Trump reflects America at the moment, which has hardly anything to do with traditional values:
    Neil Macdonald | CBC News
    Excerpt:

    “Comey, on the other hand, the man Trump now calls "Slippery James Comey," and "a slimeball," and not very bright, has hardly been about anything other than public service.

    A conservative Republican who majored in religion and chemistry as an undergrad, going on to take a graduate degree and then a doctorate in law before choosing the average pay of a prosecutor rather than pursuing the huge income of a corporate lawyer, Comey eventually rose to U.S. Attorney of the Southern District of New York and then deputy attorney general.

    His relentlessness as a lawman tormented former president Bill Clinton, and, much later, Hillary Clinton. He was also principled enough that when former president George W. Bush sought re-authorization of his secret, illegal program of domestic wiretapping, then-acting attorney general Comey stood with then-FBI director Robert Mueller and threatened to resign.
    ...”

    “Oh, and speaking of Mueller, another career public servant derided by a president who describes himself as more presidential than any previous president except perhaps Abraham Lincoln (ponder that for a moment):

    Mueller, a lifelong Republican, is probably the personification of that ideal commander-in-chief. He enlisted in the Marines at age 23 after earning a master's degree and went to Vietnam as commander of a rifle platoon. He rescued a fellow soldier under fire, and continued to lead his men after being wounded. For that he was given the Bronze Star for valour.
    ...”


    http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trump...lues-1.4623564



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    Why do I bother keep trying to have a discussion with you guys? I come back this morning to have a discussion and all i see is that you cannot even respond to any of my posts without throwing insults and name-calling. It's pathetic behavior.

    I see why so many people who disagree with you don't usually bother wasting their time trying to reason with the left-wingers here. Posting is a waste of time. You don't even wait for a response before name-calling, bullying and piling on. It's completely disgraceful.
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    Yeah, the problem is the people who vehemently disagree with the lies, propaganda & utter BS you consistently post & not your intentionally inflammatory regressive alt-right content.
    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Demonstrating that you really don't follow anything that's going on, huh?
    I've followed it just fine.

    The accusations have gone from "Trump colluded with Russia" to "Trump is obstructing justice" to "Trump had an affair" to "Trump's lawyer knows a TV host".

    What's the crime? Don't worry - they'll come up with one sometime!
    I’ll address the comment.

    Several of Trump’s campaign people had meetings with Russians when there was little reason to contact them when it was a US election. Most of it seemed like a bunch of bumbling idiots trying to get dirt on Hilary Clinton while setting themselves up for potential legal charges for collusion. Then Trump fired Comey. That set himself up for potential obstruction of justice charges.

    So now the suspicious campaign staff actions and possible financial dealings may be providing a possible needed motive for for these Russian meetings and Russian propaganda / manipulation efforts.

    No charges yet and maybe none to come against Trump himself but there have been charges against a number of people. Some of these people would otherwise be working in or for the US government and potentially at risk of having to do the bidding of the Russians if they were compromised.

    The lawyer thing is a side issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    The lawyer thing is a side issue.
    Which is why Mueller didn't handle it directly & instead had it passed off to a more relevant party so it could be handled appropriately while he stayed within his mandate.
    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    Mr.Oilers has a point though that if there was strong evidence against Trump one would think that the investigation group(s) would have acted by now. Can you imagine the issues if it was found that they had Trump nailed for something, say a year ago, but didn’t act on the evidence and kept the citizens in the dark about their own president. (Avoiding a direct investigation into Trump, to date, may avoid that risk.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Mr.Oilers has a point though that if there was strong evidence against Trump one would think that the investigation group(s) would have acted by now.
    Only if your knowledge of how the American legal system works is from crappy cop/lawyer procedural shows like Law & Order, Matlock, CSI:Wherever & Bones. It took years for Watergate to bring down Nixon.


    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Can you imagine the issues if it was found that they had Trump nailed for something, say a year ago, but didn’t act on the evidence and kept the citizens in the dark about their own president. (Avoiding a direct investigation into Trump, to date, may avoid that risk.)
    It's not their job to "nail" anyone, it's their job to conduct a thorough & lawful investigation & determine there's sufficient evidence to warrant the pressing of charges. It's up to the courts to decide whether that evidence constitutes sufficient proof to "nail" them via conviction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Mr.Oilers has a point though that if there was strong evidence against Trump one would think that the investigation group(s) would have acted by now.
    Only if your knowledge of how the American legal system works is from crappy cop/lawyer procedural shows like Law & Order, Matlock, CSI:Wherever & Bones. It took years for Watergate to bring down Nixon.


    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Can you imagine the issues if it was found that they had Trump nailed for something, say a year ago, but didn’t act on the evidence and kept the citizens in the dark about their own president. (Avoiding a direct investigation into Trump, to date, may avoid that risk.)
    It's not their job to "nail" anyone, it's their job to conduct a thorough & lawful investigation & determine there's sufficient evidence to warrant the pressing of charges. It's up to the courts to decide whether that evidence constitutes sufficient proof to "nail" them via conviction.
    Ok “charge”.

    Legal knowledge? Yup. TV is pretty much my source of legal info. on the US.

    So with Nixon, did they have sufficient evidence to lay charges but continued for months/years before they acted?

    Wikipedia is a poor source to but here’s a timeline:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time...ergate_scandal
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC
    So with Nixon, did they have sufficient evidence to lay charges but continued for months/years before they acted?


    Why are you asking the board to summarize one of the most well known political scandals of all time for you? There's plenty of information out there, readily available. But the short answer is "no, they didn't have sufficient evidence" until the investigation was a couple years in. And even after Nixon did release the (doctored) tapes to the special counsel that clearly showed he was
    aware of the criminal conduct around the break-ins and was obstructing justice, it still took another 6-8 months for him to resign.

    And ultimately, Mueller is incredibly unlikely to recommend criminal charges against Trump himself. Most legal experts agree that a sitting President cannot be indicted, because they can just turn around and pardon themselves. What Mueller will do, if he finds that Trump himself had likely committed criminal acts during or after the campaign, is to write a report outlining the accusations and passing it off to Congress to deal with politically, not criminally.
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    Building the case takes time. Trump is slippery and he has many allies. It would be risky to try to nail Trump on two or three charges. Mueller is working up the food chain and targeting specific people who are turning on Trump and providing more evidence. Mueller will not only have multiple witnesses and irrefutable evidence but also have both Federal and State charges for money laundering, lying to investigators and other fraud and obstruction charges. Trump cannot pardon himself on State charges.

    Mueller is not racing to the finish but following the facts on a thorough, intelligent investigation that will stick.
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    The question of a president pardoning himself has never been answered simply because it's never come up except in the abstract. In reality, the Supreme Court would like have to rule on it's legality.

    The same with a sitting President being charged with criminal charges. One possibility would be to invoke the 25th amendment, particularly sections 3 and 4


    Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.


    Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.


    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty...s_Constitution
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC
    So with Nixon, did they have sufficient evidence to lay charges but continued for months/years before they acted?


    Why are you asking the board to summarize one of the most well known political scandals of all time for you? There's plenty of information out there, readily available. But the short answer is "no, they didn't have sufficient evidence" until the investigation was a couple years in. And even after Nixon did release the (doctored) tapes to the special counsel that clearly showed he was
    aware of the criminal conduct around the break-ins and was obstructing justice, it still took another 6-8 months for him to resign.

    And ultimately, Mueller is incredibly unlikely to recommend criminal charges against Trump himself. Most legal experts agree that a sitting President cannot be indicted, because they can just turn around and pardon themselves. What Mueller will do, if he finds that Trump himself had likely committed criminal acts during or after the campaign, is to write a report outlining the accusations and passing it off to Congress to deal with politically, not criminally.
    Context matters.

    Read upthread.

    As for: “Mueller is incredibly unlikely to recommend criminal charges against Trump himself.” I’m not sure. Noodle’s argument has merit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    The question of a president pardoning himself has never been answered simply because it's never come up except in the abstract. In reality, the Supreme Court would like have to rule on it's legality.

    The same with a sitting President being charged with criminal charges. One possibility would be to invoke the 25th amendment, particularly sections 3 and 4


    Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.


    Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.


    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty...s_Constitution
    Interesting trivia:

    Opinion

    MEANWHILE : The U.S. Founding Fathers Worried About Pardons
    By LEE DEMBART and INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNEFEB. 20, 2001


    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2001/02/2...t-pardons.html

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    He's worried he couldn't prove libel if the details of the dossier prove to be true.

    Trump lawyer Michael Cohen drops libel suit against Fusion GPS as legal woes pile up

    Trump attorney Michael Cohen has dropped his libel suit against private investigation firm Fusion GPS, which funded former MI6 spy Christopher Steele’s dossier that alleged Cohen met with Russian government officials in Prague in the summer of 2016.


    Cohen had sued both Fusion GPS and BuzzFeed News, which published the contents of Steele’s dossier, for libel in 2017.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/tru...gal-woes-pile/

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    It sounds like Rudy is going to be negotiating Trump's resignation. I see no way he could possibly think he could negotiate an end to the investigation.

    Rudy Giuliani Is Joining Trump’s Legal Team to End the Mueller Investigation

    “I’m doing it because I hope we can negotiate an end to this for the good of the country and because I have high regard for the president and for Bob Mueller,” Giuliani said in an interview.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...stigation.html

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    So why is he lying about staying overnight in Moscow? Why bother even bringing it up if he feels he did nothing wrong?

    Did Trump stay overnight in Russia in 2013? Evidence points to yes

    He said he had spoken to people who had been on the Miss Universe trip with him and they had reminded him that he didn’t stay overnight in Russia for that,” Comey recounted from his Jan. 28, 2017 dinner with the president. “He said he arrived in the morning, did events, then showered and dressed for the pageant at the hotel (he didn’t say the hotel name) and left for the pageant. Afterwards, he returned only to get his things because they departed for New York by plane that same night.”

    Several days later, on February 8, Trump raised the subject again. “The president brought up the ‘Golden Showers thing’ and said it really bothered him if his wife had any doubt about it. He then explained, as he did at our dinner, that he hadn’t stayed overnight in Russia.”


    But as Bloomberg News reported last year — using flight records and social media postings — Trump was in Russia from Friday through Sunday of that week in 2013. The detailed accounting used FAA records to demonstrate that Trump left New York late Thursday night, on a private plane owned by a business partner, Phil Ruffin.


    According to Bloomberg:


    Trump surfaced on Friday, Nov. 8, in a Facebook post by Nobu Moscow. He was posing in daylight outside the restaurant with Emin [Agalarov], wearing a red tie and a dark overcoat…. The next day, Saturday, Nov. 9, Facebook posts show Trump at the Ritz, sitting at the end of an oval, wood table in a hotel conference room. He was there filming a music video for Emin, in which he delivers his signature “You’re fired” line from “The Apprentice” TV show.
    The report continued:


    At some point on Sunday, Nov. 10, Trump jetted home to New York, where that evening he tweeted about his return: “I just got back from Russia-learned lots and lots. Moscow is a very interesting and amazing place! U.S. MUST BE VERY SMART AND VERY STRATEGIC.


    In addition, NBC News reported last November on testimony from longtime Trump bodyguard Keith Schiller, who testified before the House Intelligence Committee that Trump went to bed alone while in Russia, according to two sources.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...ts-yes-n867951

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    It sounds like Rudy is going to be negotiating Trump's resignation. I see no way he could possibly think he could negotiate an end to the investigation.

    Rudy Giuliani Is Joining Trump’s Legal Team to End the Mueller Investigation

    “I’m doing it because I hope we can negotiate an end to this for the good of the country and because I have high regard for the president and for Bob Mueller,” Giuliani said in an interview.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...stigation.html
    Remember this:

    Leaks everywhere - Giuliani receiving leaked information




    Michael Moore: Giuliani 'knew something' before FBI announcement | TheHill

    Excerpt:
    “However, Giuliani suggested he may have known something in advance.

    Pressed by Fox News host Steve Doocy to elaborate on whether he knew the FBI's announcement was coming, Giuliani said that he had heard about the prospect.

    "I did nothing to get it out. I had no role in it. Did I hear about it? You're darn right I heard about it, and I can't even repeat the language that I heard from the FBI agents."
    ...”


    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...illary-clinton

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    He just cannot understand why people simply don't believe what he says, even when there's evidence proving that he's lying.

    And he apparently doesn't realize that it's illegal to lie to the FBI and Comey was at the dinner at the White House as the head of the FBI, not as a private citizen.


    Trump’s false claims to Comey about Moscow stay could aid Mueller
    James Comey says the president told him that he never spent the night in Moscow in 2013, but flight records, social media and his bodyguard's testimony show otherwise.

    Late last January, at a private White House dinner attended only by Donald Trump and Jim Comey, the president steered the conversation to a sensitive topic: “the golden showers thing.” He wanted the then-FBI director to know, Comey later wrote in a memo, that not only did he not consort with hookers in a Moscow hotel room in 2013, it was an impossibility. Trump “had spoken to people who had been on… the trip with him and they had reminded him that he didn’t stay over night in Russia for that," Comey recalled.


    Trump made the same claim a second time, telling Comey in a later Oval Office meeting "that he hadn’t stayed overnight in Russia during the Miss Universe trip,” as Comey wrote.


    But flight records obtained by POLITICO, as well as congressional testimony from Trump's bodyguard and contemporaneous photographs and social media posts, tell a different story—one that might bring new legal jeopardy for the president, legal experts say.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...r-comey-545834


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    ""Right from the beginning, there's no hesitation, one of the great memories of all time," he continued, pointing to his brain. " - Donald Trump, October 25, 2017

    Miss Universe host confirms Trump lied when he told Comey he never stayed overnight in Moscow


    "Thomas Roberts, who hosted the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow, says that President Donald Trump did spend the night in Moscow.


    Previously, Trump denied the salacious allegations that Russian hookers defiled the bed in his hotel suite. The alleged motivation was that President Barack Obama had once stayed in the same room.


    But Trump has said the allegations can’t be true, because he never spent the night in Moscow."

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/mis...rnight-moscow/

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    A move worthy of Putin.

    Trump Announces He’s Considering Interfering With Justice Department Investigations

    The Justice Department and the FBI are supposed to maintain independence and avoid political interference in criminal investigations and prosecutions. But Trump has expressed a desire for an attorney general who will shield him from investigations. Since taking office, Trump has fired former FBI Director James Comey and pressured Attorney General Jeff Sessions to remove Comey’s deputy, Andrew McCabe. Trump has also reportedly considered removing other top-ranking Justice Department officials, including Sessions, who recused himself from the Russia probe against Trump’s wishes; Mueller; Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed and oversees Mueller; and FBI Director Christopher Wray, whom Trump appointed to replace Comey. Trump may have been referring to some of these people on Thursday when he said, “They have this witch hunt going on with people in the Justice Department that shouldn’t be there.”


    Trump has also repeatedly suggested the DOJ should prosecute some of his critics, including Hillary Clinton and Comey.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...nvestigations/

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    It’s your Justice Department!’: Fox News hosts tried and failed to halt Trump’s rant
    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.wash...t-trumps-rant/
    President Trump had been ranting for 2 minutes and 52 seconds about former FBI director James B. Comey, “fake news CNN” and the Justice Department when “Fox & Friends” co-host Steve Doocy interjected.

    “It's your Justice Department!” Doocy exclaimed while interviewing Trump by phone on Fox News's morning show on Thursday. “Mr. President, Mr. President, you're the Republican in charge. You've got a Republican running it.”

    Even Doocy, an ardent Trump apologist, seemed flabbergasted by the logical fallacy of Trump's deep-state conspiracy theory.

    Related: [The curiously Republican leaders of the supposed 'deep state' conspiracy against Trump]

    But Trump was undeterred.


    President Trump, for the first time, said that Michael Cohen represented him in efforts to silence Stormy Daniels in an interview with "Fox & Friends" April 26. (Allie Caren/The Washington Post)
    “I answer this all the time,” Trump replied. “Because of the fact that they have this witch hunt going on with people in the Justice Department that shouldn't be there, they have a witch hunt against the president of the United States going on, I've taken the position — and I don't have to take this position, maybe I'll change — that I will not be involved with the Justice Department. I will wait till this is over. It's a total — it's all lies, and it's a horrible thing that's going on, a horrible thing.”

    Trump was, of course, venting his frustration at special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, a probe Mueller took over upon appointment by Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein. Trump has repeatedly criticized Rosenstein and Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who recused himself from the investigation because of his role in Trump's campaign.

    Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller are all Republicans.

    As Trump went on, increasingly irate, Doocy and co-hosts Ainsley Earhardt and Brian Kilmeade appeared uncomfortable, looking down and exchanging glances. They tried to move Trump along to another subject.


    “Okay,” Doocy said, after Trump had raged for an additional 37 seconds.

    The president continued.

    “All right,” Earhardt said.


    On and on Trump fumed about being “very disappointed in my Justice Department.” He spoke for 34 more seconds. “Fox & Friends” cut away from the hosts' facial reactions, showing a wall bearing Trump's photograph and a live shot of the White House.

    “All right,” Kilmeade said, taking a turn.

    The president would not be stopped.


    “By the way,” he said, elevating his volume just a bit, as he beat back attempts to cut him off, “the only collusion is the collusion with the Democrats and the Russians.”

    For 40 more seconds, Trump extended his monologue.

    At last, Kilmeade managed to redirect Trump with this: “All right, let's talk about Michael Cohen.”

    The episode was reminiscent of the way Trump bulldozed through a February phone interview on Jeanine Pirro's Fox News show. The president appears to favor phone interviews because he can more easily talk over his questioners than he could if faced with nonverbal cues in person or on camera.

    What is striking is that Doocy, Earhardt, Kilmeade and Pirro are Trump sympathizers. And in the interview on Thursday, the “Fox & Friends” hosts seemed to be trying to save Trump from spiraling as much as attempting to regain control of the conversation.

    By ignoring them, Trump showed again that his impulses cannot be curbed, even by those looking out for his interests.
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    Wow... Trump needs to call in to Fox and Friends every day. It would really help move the case against him along.

    So, how long before we hear about some of his other lawyers quitting? This guy is unhinged, and would have to be the absolute worst client to have. The best thing about Trump is that he has absolutely no clue when to keep his mouth shut, or what not to say to hurt his claims. The more he talks, the bigger his hole gets. Amazing.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Yes. He does have the biggest hole. YUGE! THE BEST HOLE...
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    Trumps lawyers said he'd be more likely to sitting down with Mueller if he had the questions in advance. Mueller sent them a list. Read them here.

    What Mueller Wants to Ask Trump About Obstruction, and What It Means
    The questions show the special counsel’s focus on obstruction of justice and touch on some surprising other areas.

    The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, recently provided President Trump’s lawyers a list of questions he wants answered in an interview. The New York Times obtained the list; here are the questions, along with the context and significance of each. The questions fall into categories based on four broad subjects. They are not quoted verbatim, and some were condensed.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/u...mp-russia.html
    And how the act of the White House leaking them could also be obstruction of justice.

    Ex-White House counsel John Dean explains why it ‘could be an act of obstruction’ if Trump team leaked Mueller’s questions

    In an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper, Dean said: “the very fact that the questions are out there, my first reaction suggesting that it could be an act of obstruction justice.”


    He said is was an obstruction justice because it disrupts the proper flow of information.


    “Well, to try to somehow disrupt the flow of information, the tipping off of witness in advance to what the question was going to be, and listening to — you are reading the questions, and I’m scanning them, it appears to me more that these are questions somebody wrote down after listening to someone else than necessarily the questions that were designed by the prosecutors.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/ex-...ers-questions/


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    Who does Trump want to replace him? Emmet T. Flood, who has turn Trump down once before.

    Ty Cobb — Trump’s top lawyer in Mueller probe — just revealed he’s abandoning ship

    White House attorney Ty Cobb, who has taken the lead in dealing with the special counsel investigation into Russian meddling, confirmed to the New York Times on Wednesday that he is retiring.


    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/ty-...andoning-ship/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Who does Trump want to replace him? Emmet T. Flood, who has turn Trump down once before.

    Ty Cobb — Trump’s top lawyer in Mueller probe — just revealed he’s abandoning ship

    White House attorney Ty Cobb, who has taken the lead in dealing with the special counsel investigation into Russian meddling, confirmed to the New York Times on Wednesday that he is retiring.


    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/ty-...andoning-ship/
    If and when they ever make a musical about the tragicomedy that is the Trump Presidency, this may be where the actor playing Mr. Cobb would break out into song singing that old favorite - Too Damn Hot.

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    Ty Cobb? What a handle. He stole his name from a baseball card? He's arguably the best baseball player of all time. It would be like me calling myself Gordie Howe. Anyway, just had to laugh. I know, real name but jeez, could only happen in today's whitehouse

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    Accurate comparison except the Republican net was full of holes.

    ‘The question is Russian collusion’: Trump aide interviewed by Mueller warns he ‘knows more about the campaign than anyone’

    CNN’s Manu Raju noted that Caputo also derided the Senate and House investigations into Russia and said they were “net fishing” in comparison to the special counsel’s more accurate “spearfishing” tactics.


    “[Mueller’s team] know what they are aiming at and are deadly accurate,” the former Trump aide said.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/que...mpaign-anyone/

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    If this is true, if Flood is going to be on the White House staff, then Trump does not get to claim attorney client privilege. If Flood is on staff as opposed to working for Trump personally, then he actually represents the office and not the office holder.

    With Ty Cobb out, Trump hires Emmet Flood who represented Bill Clinton in impeachment

    White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in a statement that Cobb had been discussing the decision for “several weeks.”


    She said later that Flood would be joining the White House staff to “represent the president and the administration against the Russia witch hunt.”


    The law firm of Williams & Connolly confirmed that Flood was leaving to join the White House staff.


    Cobb did not personally represent the president, but he was a critical adviser, coordinating dealings with Mueller, functioning as a point person for document and interview requests and working closely with Trump’s personal lawyers.

    http://www.cjonline.com/news/2018050...in-impeachment


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    Trump could not figure out the difference. He felt the Cobb was his lawyer, not the White Lawyer who represents the Office of the President and not Trump.
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    Trump claims today that Giuliani is doing a great job and he has only been on the job one day.

    Trump cannot get the most simple facts correct. Giuliani has been Trump's lawyer for a couple of weeks and has been his shill for a very long time.

    During the same comments from Trump, he brought up Hillary's 33,000 emails again to try to deflect his problems.

    Trump, as President, why don't you start a special investigation on Hillary? Or is she just a convenient scapegoat that you know did nothing really wrong?
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    Finally, somebody with some sense:

    Federal Judge in Manafort Case Skeptical of the Scope of the Mueller Investigation

    Ellis said that he believes the special counsel is only interested in Manafort to squeeze him for information “that would reflect on Mr. Trump or lead to his impeachment.”

    The judge said prosecutors wanted the former Trump campaign official to “sing,” but he worried that Manafort might also “compose.”

    Ellis then opined that the American people do not want a special counsel with unfettered power and even went so far as to ask when the investigation would conclude.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...gation-n871401

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    Former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom explains that Obama weaponized the FBI and intelligence community to frame and attack President Trump:


    Kallstrom said the "plot" to fix the 2016 election goes "right to the top," meaning President Obama and former CIA director John Brennan.


    Kallstrom cited text messages from FBI counterintelligence chief Peter Stzrok which appear to show "they had a backup plan to frame Donald Trump" as a Russian agent.


    "This whole thing is a total phony," he said about the Muller probe. "How would you feel... if someone had a phony scheme about you go on for months and months and months?"


    "The animus and the malice against Trump is prima facie exposure of how he felt about Trump before the election," Kallstrom said. "My sources tell me [Brennan] was leaking almost weekly or daily, and he was taking that bunch of phony crap supposedly from Russia, and peddling that through the Congress and the media, he was one of the active people. I've known him a long time and I think he's involved, and quite frankly, I think it goes right to the top, quite frankly."


    Bartiromo asks: "To President Obama?"


    "It goes right to the top, and it involves that whole strategy. They were going to win [the 2016 election], nobody would ever know this stuff, and they just unleashed the intelligence community. Look at the unmaskings? We haven't even heard about that yet. Look at the way they violated the rights of these American citizens?" Kallstrom explained.


    "I hope Gen. Flynn sues a lot of people, because he was handled so bad... He didn't lie to the FBI. They didn't even interview him about a crime. He was in his legal authorized mode when all that happened," he said
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...gen_flynn.html



    No surprises in any of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom explains that Obama weaponized the FBI and intelligence community to frame and attack President Trump:


    Kallstrom said the "plot" to fix the 2016 election goes "right to the top," meaning President Obama and former CIA director John Brennan.


    Kallstrom cited text messages from FBI counterintelligence chief Peter Stzrok which appear to show "they had a backup plan to frame Donald Trump" as a Russian agent.


    "This whole thing is a total phony," he said about the Muller probe. "How would you feel... if someone had a phony scheme about you go on for months and months and months?"


    "The animus and the malice against Trump is prima facie exposure of how he felt about Trump before the election," Kallstrom said. "My sources tell me [Brennan] was leaking almost weekly or daily, and he was taking that bunch of phony crap supposedly from Russia, and peddling that through the Congress and the media, he was one of the active people. I've known him a long time and I think he's involved, and quite frankly, I think it goes right to the top, quite frankly."


    Bartiromo asks: "To President Obama?"


    "It goes right to the top, and it involves that whole strategy. They were going to win [the 2016 election], nobody would ever know this stuff, and they just unleashed the intelligence community. Look at the unmaskings? We haven't even heard about that yet. Look at the way they violated the rights of these American citizens?" Kallstrom explained.


    "I hope Gen. Flynn sues a lot of people, because he was handled so bad... He didn't lie to the FBI. They didn't even interview him about a crime. He was in his legal authorized mode when all that happened," he said
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...gen_flynn.html



    No surprises in any of that.
    It doesn’t say anything. The guy’s sources and ‘he thinks’.

    They’re in total power now so if they have dirt on Obama why hasn’t it come out in defense of these supposedly clean citizens? It makes no sense when Trump and or the Republicans would even likely grant immunity or guarantees or total protection if not medals to anyone providing proof of any of this. Totally doesn’t make any logical sense to me.

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    Especially since half of the FBI are Republicans. If such a story were true, under the Trump administration of 15 months, this would have been exposed a long time ago.
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    WikiLeaks SHOCK: Hillary Clinton Benghazi Investigation of her secret emails exposed!


    When alleged Russian hacker trolls hacked the Democratic National Committee’s email servers, they unknowingly gave us all a gift: the gift of knowledge. Knowledge of how the DNC didn’t particularly care for Bernie Sanders. Knowledge that a former DNC donor was banned from future giving because he killed a horse. And knowledge that Secretary Clinton once gave President Barack Obama an espresso machine.

    Here’s a portion of a transcript between HRC and Wall Street Journal senior special writer Monica Langley (emphasis ours):

    U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2015-04841 Doc No. C05739674 STATE DEPT. – PRODUCED TO HOUSE SELECT BENGHAZI COMM. UNCLASSIFIED STATE DEPT. – PRODUCED TO HOUSE SELECT BENGHAZI COMM. U.S. Department of State SUBJECT TO AGREEMENT ON SENSITIVE INFORMATION & REDACTIONS. NO FOIA WAIVER. Case No. F-2015-04841 Doc No. C05739674 Date: 05/13/2015

    SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, he gave me a great iPad cover that has my initials on it, which was really very welcome because it’s hard, so when you travel as much, it doesn’t get knocked around.

    QUESTION: Was it for a particular occasion? Or did you see one that he had or what?

    SECRETARY CLINTON: We were just talking one day. We do that. I mean, I gave –

    QUESTION: I know you’re going to see him after me.

    SECRETARY CLINTON: Very – yeah, very shortly, yeah.

    QUESTION; I’ll be happy to go with you, (Laughter)

    SECRETARY CLINTON: Oh, I know I gave him an espresso machine one time. We were talking about good espresso and how hard it was to find. And I really enjoy mytime with him, and I also know probably better than anybody because of what – the positions that I’ve had, and the respect I have for how hard – how impossible the job has always been, but certainly is today. It’s not all bad news. I mean, there’s a lot of bad news I have to deliver, a lot of difficult issues I have to raise, a lot of hard questions be has to grapple with So it’s nice every so often to – like when Be the dog came in to see Aung San Sua Kyi, when I went to see –
    http://sprudge.com/wikileaks-shock-hillary-clinton-gifts-obama-espresso-machine-105405.html


    1. Doesn’t Barack Obama drink tea?
    2. What kind of espresso machine is it?
    3. Is it a pod machine?
    4. Is there anyone performing preventative maintenance and cleaning regimen on the machine?
    5. Does Obama pull his own shots?
    6. Does Clinton have her own espresso machine too? Is she a home espresso enthusiast? Does she lurk on HomeBarista?
    7. DID TAXPAYER MONEY PAY FOR THIS ESPRESSO MACHINE?


    Kelly Anne Conway wants answers: Does the espresso machine have a camera to spy in Obama's kitchen?

    Hillary Clinton Gave Obama An Espresso Machine. Lock her up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    If such a story were true, under the Trump administration of 15 months, this would have been exposed a long time ago.
    It WAS exposed a long time ago. And we are finding out more about it every week! There are (and were) a lot of corrupt people in high places who wanted the establishment politicians to stay in power and would do anything to keep it that way.

    But anti-Trumpers keep claiming it's just a crazy conspiracy theory (yet somehow still believe in a crazy nonsensical conspiracy that Trump colluded with "the Russians" to make him the President).

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    It just happens that the guy that paid off Stormy Daniels also got money from a Trump linked Russian just after the payodff? "Total coincidence! Sad!"

    Avenatti: Cohen got $500,000 from Russian oligarch reportedly questioned by Mueller

    First, the disclosure from Michael Avenatti, who also provided an executive summary of information that presumably backs his claim. The Hill writes:


    Stormy Daniels’s attorney Michael Avenatti said Tuesday that President Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen received $500,000 in the months after the 2016 election from a company run by a Russian oligarch with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin.


    Avenatti said that the funding may have been used to reimburse the $130,000 payment Cohen made to Daniels to stay quiet about her alleged affair with Trump.


    Keeping in mind for the moment that Avanatti's claim is thus far unsubstantiated, at the very same time that he made it, CNN reported Robert Mueller questioned that very same oligarch, Viktor Vekselberg.


    Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators have questioned a Russian oligarch about hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments his company's US affiliate made to President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen, after the election, according to a source familiar with the matter.


    Viktor Vekselberg, chairman of asset manager Renova Group, is an oligarch close to Vladimir Putin, and last month the Trump administration placed him on a list of sanctioned Russians for activities including election interference. The purpose of the payments, which predate the sanctions, and the nature of the business relationship between Vekselberg and Cohen is unclear. [...]


    The questions asked of Vekselberg suggest that Mueller investigators have been examining some of Cohen's business relationships as part of the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.
    The Daily Beast is now partially substantiating Avenatti's claim:


    The Daily Beast can confirm that Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen received hundreds of thousands of dollars from a company controlled by Putin-aligned Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg.
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...ned-by-Mueller

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    More confirmation

    Mueller's team questions Russian oligarch about payments to Cohen

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/08/polit...hen/index.html

    Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators have questioned a Russian oligarch about hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments his company's US affiliate made to President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen, after the election, according to a source familiar with the matter.

    Viktor Vekselberg, chairman of asset manager Renova Group, is an oligarch close to Vladimir Putin, and last month the Trump administration placed him on a list of sanctioned Russians for activities including election interference. The purpose of the payments, which predate the sanctions, and the nature of the business relationship between Vekselberg and Cohen is unclear.

    The scrutiny of the payments could add to the legal troubles for Cohen, whose home and office were raided last month as part of a criminal investigation by federal prosecutors in Manhattan. In court documents, the prosecutors said at least part of their inquiry stemmed from a referral from Mueller's office.



    The questions asked of Vekselberg suggest that Mueller investigators have been examining some of Cohen's business relationships as part of the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. Vekselberg is one of two Russian oligarchs the FBI stopped earlier this year after their private jets landed in New York-area airports as part of Mueller's investigation.

    Investigators also asked Vekselberg about donations the head of his US affiliate made to Trump's inaugural fund and campaign funds, sources said.


    The attorney for Stormy Daniels -- the porn star who received $130,000 to keep quiet about an alleged affair she had with Trump a decade ago -- produced information Tuesday evening that appears to add further details to CNN's reporting. Michael Avenatti alleged that Cohen received half a million dollars from a company affiliated with Vekselberg in the months after the presidential election.
    A few weeks ago, Michael Cohen said he had one client and one client only. Then it was found out that Sean Hannity was a client of Cohen, who Cohen admitted himself to state in open Court.

    If we believe Cohen that he had only two clients, what were the payments from Russian oligarchs for in and around an American election?
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    More confirmed 'pay for play' paments made to Trump's lawyer.

    Telecommunications giant AT&T said it has paid President Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen for "insights" on the Trump administration.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/08/att-...istration.html




    AT&T confirms it paid Trump lawyer Michael Cohen for 'insights' on administration
    Telecommunications giant AT&T said it has paid President Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen for "insights" on the Trump administration.
    The disclosure came after a lawyer for porn star Stormy Daniels said AT&T had paid Cohen a total of $200,000 in four separate installments.
    Daniels' lawyer, Michael Avenatti, also said that hush-money paid Daniels by Cohen may have been reimbursed by a payment to Cohen from a Russian oligarch with ties to Vladimir Putin.
    Dan Mangan | Kevin Breuninger | Ryan Ruggiero
    Published 4 Hours Ago Updated 2 Hours Ago
    CNBC.com
    Michael Cohen, longtime personal lawyer and confidante for President Donald Trump, arrives at the United States District Court Southern District of New York on April 26, 2018 in New York City.
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    Michael Cohen, longtime personal lawyer and confidante for President Donald Trump, arrives at the United States District Court Southern District of New York on April 26, 2018 in New York City.
    Telecommunications giant AT&T said Tuesday night that it had paid President Donald Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen for "insights" about the Trump administration.

    AT&T's admission came after a lawyer for porn star Stormy Daniels claimed the company, drug giant Novartis and a Russian oligarch had all made payments to Cohen's shell company.

    Daniels' lawyer, Michael Avenatti, said AT&T had made four separate payments of $50,000 apiece to Cohen's company, for a total of $200,000 in late 2017 and into early 2018.


    That company, Essential Consultants, was created by Cohen in October 2016 and soon after was used to make a $130,000 hush-money payment to Daniels.

    In a prepared statement to CNBC, AT&T said Cohen's company "was one of several firms we engaged in early 2017 to provide insights into understanding the new administration."

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    Rudy Giuliani explains why he revealed Trump's reimbursement to Cohen
    "They did no legal or lobbying work for us, and the contract ended in December 2017," AT&T said.

    The company did not say how much it had paid Cohen, who was the president's personal lawyer at the time.

    AT&T is in the midst of pursuing an $85 billion acquisition of Time Warner. The U.S. Justice Department has sued to block that deal.
    The whole ball of yarn is unraveling at a furious pace. If all these stories are true, Trump is the dirtiest and corrupt President ever.
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    It makes you wonder if the withdrawal from the Iran accord was actually meant to be a smokescreen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    It makes you wonder if the withdrawal from the Iran accord was actually meant to be a smokescreen.
    He needs a few external enemies to increase his power.


    Another 1984 quote:

    ”Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”

    George Orwell, 1984


    The Men Who Gave Trump His Brutal Worldview - POLITICO Magazine


    But, as Trump's biographer, I can tell you these views fundamentally define the man. And if you’re looking—or perhaps hoping—for something more, you shouldn’t expect to find it. If you are seeking reassurance that the man who could be the next president of the United States possesses a coherent political philosophy or ethical foundation other than this rather pre-Enlightenment code of behavior—that he subscribes to the ideals of the Founders, or has studied and understood American democracy, human rights and our Constitutional system—you won’t get it.



    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...r-coach-213750




    Be a killer, be a king: The education of Donald Trump

    “From early childhood, Hurt wrote, Fred used to tell his boys “you are a killer … you are a king … you are a killer … you are a king…” As a result, he wrote, Donald came to believe that “he cannot be one without the other. As his father has pointed out over and over again, most people are weaklings. Only the strong survive. You have to be a killer if you want to be a king.”



    ...
    “Trump, playing his role, responds by upping the stakes in the constant quest to prove himself a killer and a king. What more dramatic means to that end than to run for president of the United States?“

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/killer-ki...000000711.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    It makes you wonder if the withdrawal from the Iran accord was actually meant to be a smokescreen.
    No. if you paid attention, you'd know that Trump criticized the Iran deal throughout his entire campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    It makes you wonder if the withdrawal from the Iran accord was actually meant to be a smokescreen.
    No. if you paid attention, you'd know that Trump criticized the Iran deal throughout his entire campaign.

    And he’s keeping his promises. However the timing I’m not sure about.

    The world can only wait and see what comes of all the change and undoing of past policy that he’s engaging in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    It makes you wonder if the withdrawal from the Iran accord was actually meant to be a smokescreen.
    No. if you paid attention, you'd know that Trump criticized the Iran deal throughout his entire campaign.
    Yeah, but is it a good idea?
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    Let's see. Which two countries has Trump spent the most time sucking up to?

    Trump Iran sanctions just gave Saudi Arabia and Russia more clout in the oil market, so watch for higher prices
    Saudi Arabia said it will help meet world oil demand if U.S. sanctions on Iran create shortfalls, but analysts say it will only do so in conjunction with Russia.

    In the past, the kingdom has stepped in to fill gaps in global oil supply. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Tuesday said the administration has sought help from oil-producing allies to keep prices in check.


    But the U.S. request is more complicated this time. Saudi Arabia, a longtime rival of Iran, has struck a production deal with Russia, an Iranian ally that is also being sanctioned by the U.S. The question now is whether Saudi Arabia and OPEC in its "Vienna Alliance" with Russia will keep oil production targets the same or whether they adjust them to meet any loss of Iranian crude, with oil prices already high and rising.


    "The Saudis wouldn't do it without the Russians having to do it as well," said Edward Morse, Citigroup's global head of commodities research. "The Russians are opposed to the U.S. ending the deal, and on the other hand they don't really like high oil prices because the ruble is tied to the price of oil. ... The ideal world is one where you can keep the ruble from appreciating, keep the cost down and that would mean a stable price."

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/09/trum...ore-clout.html


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    I'm sure it's a total coincidence. Really.

    Trump Lawyer Was on Kremlin-Linked Financial Firm’s Payroll Just Months Before Leading President’s Legal Defense in Russia Investigation

    The day after it was revealed Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen received $500,000 in payments from a financial firm linked to a Russian oligarch aligned with Vladimir Putin, Pro Publica reports another longtime Trump personal attorney, Marc Kasowitz, also represented the very same Russian firm as recently as last year. Kasowitz says he has represented the private equity firm Columbus Nova since 2010; Columbus Nova operates as the U.S. investment vehicle for Renova Group, a financial company run by Putin ally, Viktor Vekselberg. Columbus Nova also happens to be founded and run by Vekselberg’s cousin, Andrew Intrater. Vekselberg and Renova Group were both targeted by U.S. sanctions in April; Vekselberg and Intrater have been questioned by Robert Mueller.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ing-probe.html

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    I guess Cohen did not have time to shred the evidence before Mueller's Stormtroopers came to visit.

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    Senate Intel: Russia waged ‘unprecedented’ cyber campaign on U.S. voting systems | TheHill

    http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...cyber-campaign

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    No surprise there. Expected, really. And not just Russia I would bet.

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    Guliani - "FBI were stormtroopers"

    Cohen - "FBI was 'professional, courteous, respectful"

    Hmmm, who to believe?

    New York (CNN)In his first comments since the FBI raid on his home and office, Michael Cohen said the FBI agents "were extremely professional, courteous and respectful."


    The comments contrast with President Donald Trump who complained Monday that agents "broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys."
    "I am unhappy to have my personal residence and office raided. But I will tell you that members of the FBI that conducted the search and seizure were all extremely professional, courteous and respectful. And I thanked them at the conclusion," Cohen said in a phone conversation on Tuesday with CNN.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/10/polit...aid/index.html

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    The Russian investigation and the Story Daniels payoff collide in Cohen's office.

    The Firm That Paid Michael Cohen $500,000 Is Deeply Tied to a Russian Oligarch, Records Show
    Yet Columbus Nova is trying to distance itself from Viktor Vekselberg.

    The company did concede it had a connection to Vekselberg’s company, the Renova Group, noting that the oligarch’s firm is its biggest client: “Throughout its existence, Columbus Nova has managed assets on behalf of Renova Group companies and other clients. Columbus Nova itself is not now, and has never been, owned by any foreign entity or person including Viktor Vekselberg or the Renova Group.” In other words, Columbus Nova contended that it merely has worked for Vekselberg’s Renova Group and that Vekselberg has no control over Columbus Nova.


    There was one big problem with that statement: Filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission show Columbus Nova has had a close organizational association with Vekselberg’s Renova Group.


    Last month, Vekselberg and his Renova Group were hit with sanctions by the US Treasury Department. After that, Renova took down its website, which currently says “under construction.” But previously, the firm’s site listed Columbus Nova as part of the larger Renova Group, suggesting it was a subsidiary. Columbus Nova’s website also previously called the firm “the US investment vehicle” for Renova.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...-records-show/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    No surprise there. Expected, really. And not just Russia I would bet.
    The natural question then is whether or not hackers had any success in altering votes.

    Hackers have gotten into secure systems and hung out for months undetected so to think that states, known for antiquated technology, could definitively say that hackers didn’t do anything would be very hard to believe.

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    ...


    It's Sure Weird That the Russia-Linked Firm That Paid Michael Cohen $500,000 Also Registered Alt-Right Websites

    “...
    “In retrospect, it was a dumb idea and I never told my brother or anyone else at Columbus Nova that I had done this,” he said. “To conclude that I support white supremacy or anti-Semitism is unreasonable given what I’ve described above and also taking into consideration that I am a Jew and the son of a Holocaust survivor. I truly regret the unexpected outcome of my actions.”

    [NBC News via Washington Post]

    Correction: A prior version of this headline (but not the article) stated Columbus Nova was a “Russian firm.” Columbus Nova is registered in the US—though as NBC noted, its ownership is disputed, and until November 2017 it was listed online by Vekselberg’s Russia-based firm, Renova Group, as a subsidiary. We regret the error. “


    http://gizmodo.com/its-sure-weird-th...ael-1825909127

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    No surprise there. Expected, really. And not just Russia I would bet.
    The natural question then is whether or not hackers had any success in altering votes.

    Hackers have gotten into secure systems and hung out for months undetected so to think that states, known for antiquated technology, could definitively say that hackers didn’t do anything would be very hard to believe.
    Interfering in a election is not a singular act of hacking polling stations or computers. It is an act of subversion.


    "Subversion is the undermining or detachment of the loyalties of significant political and social groups within the victimized state, and their transference, under ideal conditions, to the symbols and institutions of the aggressor. Subversive acts designed to undermine the independent press, the military, economic, psychological, or political strength or morale of a governing authority."

    Posting fake news, propaganda blogs, fake images, spreading disinformation and rumours, sowing discontent, supporting one political group or leader, using all forms of communication including TV ads, the internet, social media and other methods are just some examples of manipulation of voters to change their opinions and vote for the target candidate.
    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 11-05-2018 at 06:54 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    No surprise there. Expected, really. And not just Russia I would bet.
    The natural question then is whether or not hackers had any success in altering votes.

    Hackers have gotten into secure systems and hung out for months undetected so to think that states, known for antiquated technology, could definitively say that hackers didn’t do anything would be very hard to believe.
    Interfering in a election is not a singular act of hacking polling stations or computers. It is an act of subversion.


    "Subversion is the undermining or detachment of the loyalties of significant political and social groups within the victimized state, and their transference, under ideal conditions, to the symbols and institutions of the aggressor. Subversive acts designed to undermine the independent press, the military, economic, psychological, or political strength or morale of a governing authority."

    Posting fake news, propaganda blogs, fake images, spreading disinformation and rumours, sowing discontent, supporting one political group or leader, using all forms of communication including TV ads, the internet, social media and other methods are just some examples of manipulation of voters to change their opinions and vote for the target candidate.
    And everything but actual hacking of voting systems has received intense scrutiny. Voting system vulnerabilities have been the elephant in the room.

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    Judge agrees that Mueller has the right to investigate in depth

    (CNN) Federal Judge Amy Berman Jackson on Tuesday rejected former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's attempt to invalidate the criminal case against him in Washington.

    Manafort had claimed special counsel Robert Mueller's appointment order was too broad, and thus his investigation had overstepped its legal authority.

    But Berman Jackson concluded for several reasons that Mueller's investigation and prosecution of Manafort is legal -- and that the special counsel still can maintain some independence while working within the Department of Justice.


    Manafort has pleaded not guilty to charges related to his lobbying work for Ukrainian politicians dating back to a decade ago.

    "It bears emphasizing at this stage that Manafort is presumed to be innocent of these charges, and it will be the prosecution's burden to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. But the indictment will not be dismissed, and the matter will proceed to trial," Berman Jackson wrote in her opinion Tuesday.

    She added that it was appropriate for federal investigators to look into Manafort's business connections in Russia and Ukraine while Mueller's office investigated possible coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

    "Who had connections to the Russian government? Who attended meetings on behalf of the campaign?" Berman Jackson wrote. "Given the combination of his prominence within the campaign and his ties to Ukrainian officials supported by and operating out of Russia, as well as to Russian oligarchs, Manafort was an obvious person of interest."

    "The Special Counsel would have been remiss to ignore such an obvious potential link between the Trump campaign and the Russian government," she wrote later in the opinion.
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    Yeah, the Trump Tower meeting was all about "adoptions" . <wink, wink, nudge, nudge>. And Junior's memory is about as bad as his father's.

    Here are 5 burning questions raised by the release of the Senate’s Trump Tower transcripts

    What is the meaning of former campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s cryptic notes? Even though Trump Jr. insisted that nothing nefarious occurred during the Trump Tower meeting, contemporaneous notes taken at the time by Manafort suggest something was, in fact, in play.


    While the notes are very cryptic, they do contain some intriguing phrases that need to be explained to understand the true nature of the meeting.


    Among other things, Manafort’s notes reference “Offshore – Cyprus” followed by “133 million shares” of undisclosed “companies.”


    Cyprus has become notorious in recent years as a haven for turning a blind eye to money laundering operations conducted on its soil by Russian oligarchs — why was Manafort writing about it in a meeting that was supposedly about Russian adoption policies?


    Elsewhere in the notes, Manafort writes the phrase, “Value in Cypress as inter,” followed by the word “illici,” followed by the phrase “Active sponsors of RNC.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/5-b...r-transcripts/

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    And who was one of the major bankers in Cyprus?

    Some billionaire named Wilbur Ross.

    The same Wilbur Ross who is Trunp's Commerce Secretary...


    What a nice little circle...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Yeah, the Trump Tower meeting was all about "adoptions" . <wink, wink, nudge, nudge>. And Junior's memory is about as bad as his father's.

    Here are 5 burning questions raised by the release of the Senate’s Trump Tower transcripts

    What is the meaning of former campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s cryptic notes? Even though Trump Jr. insisted that nothing nefarious occurred during the Trump Tower meeting, contemporaneous notes taken at the time by Manafort suggest something was, in fact, in play.


    While the notes are very cryptic, they do contain some intriguing phrases that need to be explained to understand the true nature of the meeting.


    Among other things, Manafort’s notes reference “Offshore – Cyprus” followed by “133 million shares” of undisclosed “companies.”


    Cyprus has become notorious in recent years as a haven for turning a blind eye to money laundering operations conducted on its soil by Russian oligarchs — why was Manafort writing about it in a meeting that was supposedly about Russian adoption policies?


    Elsewhere in the notes, Manafort writes the phrase, “Value in Cypress as inter,” followed by the word “illici,” followed by the phrase “Active sponsors of RNC.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/5-b...r-transcripts/
    As Donald might say, it could have been about adoptions, I am sure adoptions could have been talked about in that meeting.

    For instance, maybe Putin wanted to adopt a Trump. He seemed to conclude Donald Jr. was the best one for his purposes at that time.

    Of course, the billion dollar question is not whether adoptions were discussed or not, but what else was discussed at that meeting.

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    Money laundering and illicit donations seems likely.

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    Apparently having "the best memory ever" doesn't run in the family.

    54 things Donald Trump Jr. couldn’t ‘recall’ or ‘remember’ in his testimony

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f10e425a5490

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    And everything but actual hacking of voting systems has received intense scrutiny. Voting system vulnerabilities have been the elephant in the room.
    You are absolutely correct.

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    "Russia has never tried to use leverage over me. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!" - Donald Trump

    Michael Cohen lashed out at Moscow contact after 2015 meeting with Putin fell apart: ‘Do you think I’m a *****?’

    "Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen worked feverishly to help his boss put his name atop what would have been the tallest building in Europe — Trump Tower Moscow — deep into the 2016 presidential campaign.


    Cohen and Felix Sater, who had worked on Trump’s behalf in Moscow since 2004, tried to arrange a face-to-face meeting between the Republican presidential candidate and Russian president Vladimir Putin until at least July 2016, reported Buzzfeed News.


    Sater, a Russian-American convicted felon with mob ties who also worked as an FBI informant, arranged in October 2015 to have his surrogates in Moscow meet with Putin and a “top deputy,” and he told Cohen that VTB Bank president and chairman Andrey Kostin had agreed to finance the tower.

    American citizens and companies were barred from doing business with VTB, which was under U.S. sanctions, but Sater told congressional investigators this year that the local development partner would have gotten funding through the Russian bank.


    Trump himself signed a letter of intent to build the tower on Oct. 28, 2015, the day of the third GOP presidential debate, although Cohen asked Sater and their Moscow development partner, Andrey Rozov, to keep the agreement a secret."

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/mic...hink-im-*****/

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    The noose tightens a bit more for Manafort.

    Manafort’s former son-in-law cuts plea deal with Justice Department and will cooperate with investigators: report

    The former son-in-law of Paul Manafort, the one-time chairman of President Donald Trump’s campaign, has cut a plea deal with the Justice Department that requires him to cooperate with other criminal probes, two people with knowledge of the matter said.


    The guilty plea agreement, which is under seal and has not been previously reported, could add to the legal pressure on Manafort, who is facing two indictments brought by Special Counsel Robert Mueller in his probe of alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/man...rnment-report/

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    Senate agrees that Russia likely funneled money through the NRA.

    Kremlin Used NRA to Help Trump in 2016, Senate Report Says
    Documents suggest Moscow funneled money to Trump through the gun group, according to the judiciary committee.

    The Senate Judiciary Committee said Wednesday that the Russian government apparently used the National Rifle Association to help Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016.


    Documents suggest the Kremlin used the NRA to offer the campaign a back channel to Moscow—including a potential meeting between Trump and Vladimir Putin—and might have secretly funded Trump’s campaign, the committee said. One of the Russians named in the report even bragged she was part of the Trump campaign’s communications with Russia, The Daily Beast reported last year.


    The NRA spent a record $30 million on Trump and the FBI is reportedly investigating whether any of the money came from Russia. U.S. law prohibits foreign money to be spent on elections.


    Two Russian nationals figure prominently in the alleged scheme: Alexander Torshin, deputy governor of the Kremlin’s central bank, and his then-deputy Maria Butina.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremli...ence-committee

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    Looks like Erik Prince has some 'splain to do.

    Report Suggests Blackwater Founder Erik Prince May Have Lied to Congress
    He told Congress he didn’t meet with the Trump campaign. A new story says he did.

    Blackwater founder Erik Prince appears to have a problem. The New York Times reported Saturday that Prince, the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, arranged and attended an August 3, 2016 Trump Tower meeting where George Nader, an adviser to the de facto ruler of the United Arab Emirates, told Donald Trump Jr. that UAE and Saudi Arabia were eager to help his father win the election.


    That doesn’t reflect well on Prince, because on November 30, 2017, he told the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, under oath, that he had no formal communication or contact with the Trump campaign, other than occasionally sending “papers” on foreign policy matters to Steve Bannon, who became head of the Trump campaign in August.


    “So there was no formal communication or contact with the campaign?” Rep. Tom Rooney (R-Fla.) asked Prince during his interview by the Intelligence Committee.


    “Correct,” Prince responded

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...d-to-congress/

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    The web of lies will catch Trump.
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