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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    It's interesting that the Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein - the person who recommended Comey's firing to Jeff Sessions - was nominated by Trump back on January 13, but the Democrats delayed his confirmation until just 2 weeks ago.
    You mean the same guy who's evidently livid that he's been painted as Trump's stooge?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.e8dd7ab93f79

    Rosenstein threatened to resign after the narrative emerging from the White House on Tuesday evening cast him as a prime mover of the decision to fire Comey and that the president acted only on his recommendation, said the person close to the White House, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.
    Rosenstein is literally the longest-serving US Attorney at this point & is known to be about as non-partisan as it gets (as he should be), so no wonder he's so incensed by being trotted out as part of the Oompa Loompa's hit squad.
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    Comey's the real Russian.. Even the left accuse him of election interference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle
    Haha. You think he's playing 5-dimensional chess when he's really playing go fish with a deck stacked with jokers (and still losing).

    Hilarious.


    Honestly, I think Trump is mostly a passenger in all this. Meanwhile, behind the scenes it's an all out war between the establishment figures like Preibus and the "Democrats" in Kushner/Ivanka on the one side vs. the "insurgents" like Bannon on the other. From week to week, one side or the other is able to convince Trump to move in their direction. Probably whoever talked to him last. It's like having a manic or bi-polar presidency.

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    To me, all this discussion is absurd, in that FBI investigations will continue with Comey as director or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    It's interesting that the Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein - the person who recommended Comey's firing to Jeff Sessions - was nominated by Trump back on January 13, but the Democrats delayed his confirmation until just 2 weeks ago.
    You mean the same guy who's evidently livid that he's been painted as Trump's stooge?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.e8dd7ab93f79

    Rosenstein threatened to resign after the narrative emerging from the White House on Tuesday evening cast him as a prime mover of the decision to fire Comey and that the president acted only on his recommendation, said the person close to the White House, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.
    Rosenstein is literally the longest-serving US Attorney at this point & is known to be about as non-partisan as it gets (as he should be), so no wonder he's so incensed by being trotted out as part of the Oompa Loompa's hit squad.
    More from that WP story

    Inside Trump’s anger and impatience — and his sudden decision to fire Comey
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.93a160b85191
    Every time FBI Director James B. Comey appeared in public, an ever-watchful President Trump grew increasingly agitated that the topic was the one that he was most desperate to avoid: Russia.

    Trump had long questioned Comey’s loyalty and judgment, and was infuriated by what he viewed as the director’s lack of action in recent weeks on leaks from within the federal government. By last weekend, he had made up his mind: Comey had to go.


    At his golf course in Bedminster, N.J., Trump groused over Comey’s latest congressional testimony, which he thought was “strange,” and grew impatient with what he viewed as his sanctimony, according to White House officials. Comey, Trump figured, was using the Russia probe to become a martyr.


    Back at work Monday morning in Washington, Trump told Vice President Pence and several senior aides — Reince Priebus, Stephen K. Bannon and Donald McGahn, among others — that he was ready to move on Comey. First, though, he wanted to talk with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, his trusted confidant, and Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein, to whom Comey reported directly. Trump summoned the two of them to the White House for a meeting, according to a person close to the White House.


    The president already had decided to fire Comey, according to this person. But in the meeting, several White House officials said Trump gave Sessions and Rosenstein a directive: to explain in writing the case against Comey.

    The pair quickly fulfilled the boss’s orders, and the next day Trump fired Comey — a breathtaking move that thrust a White House already accustomed to chaos into a new level of tumult, one that has legal as well as political consequences.

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    ^^^ To that end, I can't imagine the field day foreign intelligence services are having with what amounts to basically unfettered, unembellished real-time access into the psyche of a mentally-unstable world leader via Trump's uncontrolled rantings on Twitter. When Obama was in office (especially in his first term) many accused him of speaking too personally & plainly, exposing too much insight into his thought processes. Trump makes Obama look like Lord Uxbridge in terms of restraint.
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    So the new Acting FBI Director McCabe's hearing this morning, McCabe just refuted the fake news reported by CNN and New York Times yesterday, where they falsely claimed that Comey had just asked for more resources for the Trump investigation. He said Comey's firing does not interfere with the investigation, and there is no need for additional resources.

    https://twitter.com/freddoso/status/862693141500919808


    Will CNN and NYT issue any retractions, corrections, or apologies? Nope, they won't go against their own propaganda.

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    Acting FBI director calls White House liars....

    So was the White House making stuff up to rationalize Trump's dumping of Comey? McCabe didn't go further. But there has been no reporting in the past few days to suggest this White House talking point is not a fabrication. The Washington Post on Wednesday quoted Thomas O'Connor, who heads the FBI Agents Association, as saying that Comey's termination was "a gut punch. We didn't see it coming, and we don't think Director Comey did anything that would lead to this."


    McCabe's testimony also suggested that Sanders had not told the truth in another regard. At her Wednesday briefing, Sanders said that the FBI "is doing a whole lot more than the Russia investigation," and that even though the media "would like to think that's the FBI's sole responsibility…that's probably one of the smallest things that they've got going on their plate."


    Sen. Angus King (I-Maine) asked McCabe if the Russia probe is indeed one of the "smallest things" the FBI was handling. McCabe didn't miss a beat: "Sir, we consider it to be a highly significant investigation."


    King wanted to drive home this point. "So you would not characterize it as one of the smallest things you're engaged in?" he asked.


    "I would not," McCabe replied.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ckabee-sanders


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    Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe Thursday rejected assertions by the White House that FBI employees had lost faith in James Comey and that the bureau's probe into Russian election meddling was one of its most minor concerns.

    "I hold Director Comey in the absolute highest regard. I have the highest respect for his considerable abilities and his integrity," McCabe told members of the Senate intelligence committee.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politi...tee/index.html
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    Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein isn't too happy about the way White house's handling of firing Comey

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/rosenstein-unhappy-with-handling-of-comey-firing/index.html
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    Trump blasts Comey as 'showboat' while acting FBI chief defends him
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle34954945/
    President Donald Trump blasted ousted FBI chief James Comey as a “showboat” and “grandstander” on Thursday even as the agency’s acting leader contradicted the president’s account that the agency had been in turmoil before he fired Comey.
    In testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee, acting FBI director Andrew McCabe promised to tell the panel of any White House meddling into the agency’s probe of possible Russian interference in the 2016 election. McCabe also declined to say whether he ever heard Comey tell Trump that the president was not a target of the investigation into possible collusion between Russia and Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.
    Trump calling Comey a “showboat” and “grandstander” ROFLMAO

    I guess Trump fired him when Comey was out-showboating and out-grandstanding the Cheeto in Chief. He couldn't stand being upstaged on his own act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Trump calling Comey a “showboat” and “grandstander” ROFLMAO

    I guess Trump fired him when Comey was out-showboating and out-grandstanding the Cheeto in Chief. He couldn't stand being upstaged on his own act.
    Guess it takes one to know one?

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    White House Asst. Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders (filling in for Sean Spicer) admits that Trump just committed obstruction of justice.

    Here’s what Huckabee Sanders said today when asked about Comey’s firing and the FBI’s investigation into the Donald Trump campaign and Russia: “We want this to come to its conclusion.” Then she added “We think that we’ve actually, by removing Director Comey, taken steps to make that happen” (link). While the president does have the freedom to fire the FBI Director for no particular reason, he cannot do it for the particular reason of trying to sabotage or end an investigation into himself.

    http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/...mp-comey/2760/

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    White House Asst. Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders (filling in for Sean Spicer) admits that Trump just committed obstruction of justice.


    Here’s what Huckabee Sanders said today when asked about Comey’s firing and the FBI’s investigation into the Donald Trump campaign and Russia: “We want this to come to its conclusion.” Then she added “We think that we’ve actually, by removing Director Comey, taken steps to make that happen” (link). While the president does have the freedom to fire the FBI Director for no particular reason, he cannot do it for the particular reason of trying to sabotage or end an investigation into himself.


    http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/...mp-comey/2760/



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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    White House Asst. Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders (filling in for Sean Spicer) admits that Trump just committed obstruction of justice.

    Here’s what Huckabee Sanders said today when asked about Comey’s firing and the FBI’s investigation into the Donald Trump campaign and Russia: “We want this to come to its conclusion.” Then she added “We think that we’ve actually, by removing Director Comey, taken steps to make that happen” (link). While the president does have the freedom to fire the FBI Director for no particular reason, he cannot do it for the particular reason of trying to sabotage or end an investigation into himself.

    http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/...mp-comey/2760/

    What an interesting comment for a spokesperson - it's up there with "yes I know my boss wanted to kill the guy they just found murdered". She must have missed the how to avoid admitting guilt section of the course on how to be a Presidential spokesperson.

    Comey may have been controversial in political circles, but he may have considerable loyalty within the FBI and I do not think the bureau will take well to his attempt to silence or stop it. I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of anonymous leaks about the Russia investigation in the near future and none of them will be kind to Team Trump. He may have thought he solved a problem by firing Comey, but he may have just stirred up a huge hornets nest he will wish he never touched.

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    Well he did say...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Well he did say...
    He did say that, but one shouldn't believe ones own BS.

    As a candidate he wasn't always taken seriously, but with all eyes on him now, there are only so many tricks he can pull and get away with. Unfortunately, he doesn't have a political opponent to demonize any more as the election is over.

    Now he is being judged on his own actions and distracting people from them is not completely working either because in creating a distraction he seems to either create another problem or direct peoples attention back to a previous problem. Hence firing Comey brings back up the unresolved issue of Russian campaign meddling.

    Campaigning might have been fun for him, but who would have thought governing would be so complicated.

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    Acting F.B.I. Chief Contradicts White House on Russia and Comey - NYTimes.com

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/1...sia-trump.html


    Andrew McCabe Is Known at F.B.I. for His Precision and Intellect

    https://www.mobile.nytimes.com/2017/...-director.html
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    It really is incredible how badly they've botched their communications strategy on this. If they even had one, which doesn't seem to be the case reading reports on the "tick-tock" of how things unfolded. Sanders has said numerous things that have then been contradicted by Trump himself, or the interim FBI director and so on. Reading accounts of Spicer, Conway and Sanders huddling in the bushes and trying to devise a strategy on the spot you almost feel bad for them. Or at least, as bad as you can feel for someone who sold their soul.

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    Jeff Sessions may have trodden in it this time.

    That is the investigation that Sessions promised to stay away from. Firing the man heading the investigation -- especially if Sessions knew that the reason was not the one stated in Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein's May 9 memo -- is a matter "arising from the campaigns for President of the United States."


    Sessions may have some explanation for why he chose to participate in the firing of Comey. But the attorney general may now be in considerable legal peril.


    Refusing to recuse oneself from a conflict or breaking the promise to recuse from a conflict is a serious breach of legal ethics. "Someone could file a bar complaint, and/or one with DOJ's office of professional responsibility, if Sessions had a conflict of interest when it came to the firing decision, and if he did not follow the ethics rules, including those of DOJ by acting when he had a conflict of interest," legal ethics expert Norman Eisen tells me. "The fact that he broke his recusal commitment, if he did, would be relevant context, and violating an agreement can sometimes in itself be an ethics violation." In sum, Sessions has risked his law license, whether he realized it or not. He needs to testify immediately under oath; if there is no satisfactory explanation, he must resign. The alternative could be impeachment proceedings.

    http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/...eer-endin.html


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    Sessions is toast.

    "Having concluded those meetings today, I have decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigations of any matters related in any way to the campaigns for President of the United States."
    He did not only recluse himself from the Russia investigation but the events surrounding the election campaign. This would include anything to do with the Hillary Clinton email investigation that was integral to the election drama.

    He, like so many others in the Trump Administration including Trump are so morally and ethically vapid that they are the SWAMP that needs to be drained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It really is incredible how badly they've botched their communications strategy on this. If they even had one, which doesn't seem to be the case reading reports on the "tick-tock" of how things unfolded. Sanders has said numerous things that have then been contradicted by Trump himself, or the interim FBI director and so on. Reading accounts of Spicer, Conway and Sanders huddling in the bushes and trying to devise a strategy on the spot you almost feel bad for them. Or at least, as bad as you can feel for someone who sold their soul.
    They conspired to make a cover story and the Cheeto in Chief could not help himself to showboat and grandstand to blow the cover story and boast that he fired Comey no matter what. He still thinks he is playing a part in Celebrity Apprentice.



    When will his consorts realise that he is a narcissist and they are all disposable pawns in his childish playroom fantasy.

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    Trump threatens Comey in tweet: Better hope there are no ‘tapes’

    “James Comey better hope there are no ‘tapes’ of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!” Mr. Trump posted on Twitter.The president also reacted to claims that he undermined his staff by threatening to cancel future “press briefings,” he said in a series of tweets Friday.
    Mr. Trump responded to claims that he contradicted the narrative that his staff, including Vice President Mike Pence, gave on the reason Mr. Comey was fired. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/12/donald-trump-threatens-james-comey-tweet-better-ho/
    "Yes Mr. President, Comey has 18 minutes of tapes..." LOL
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    I just hope that Trump cancels all future Press briefings.

    The Press should reciprocate and decline all interviews with the Cheeto in Chief (something he relishes) and plans a national Press day where there is a complete boycott of the White House

    From this...


    ...to this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    What an interesting comment for a spokesperson - it's up there with "yes I know my boss wanted to kill the guy they just found murdered". She must have missed the how to avoid admitting guilt section of the course on how to be a Presidential spokesperson.
    Considering she got the job due to nepotism, I don't think she even bothered to register for the course, instead picking up the elective "Riding your Hatemongering Hypocritical Dad's Coattails for Fun & Profit".
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    Presidential Counsel just sent a letter requesting confirmation and clarification of Trump's Comey "tapes"



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    OMG - the stupid Democrat Congressman fell for the trap!

    Trump doesn't bluff - he likely teased the existence of such tapes so bloodthirsty Democrats would request and bring forward all the recordings of spying done on Trump's team!

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    Interim FBI Director Andrew McCabe is currently under Department of Justice investigation due to his wife's political connections to the Democrats and her financial connections with the Clintons.

    (see the last 3 pages in this letter dated March 28 from Senator Grassley to James Comey: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/site...nflicts%29.pdf)

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    Five Reasons the Comey Affair Is Worse Than Watergate
    A journalist who covered Nixon’s fall 45 years ago explains why the current challenge to America may be more severe—and the democratic system less capable of handling it. see the full article https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ergate/526443/

    excerpts
    So I’ve been thinking about comparisons between Watergate and the murky, fast-changing Comey-Russia-Flynn-Trump affair. As with anything involving Donald Trump, we have no idea where this will lead, what is “true,” and when the next bombshell will go off.


    But based simply on what is known so far, this scandal looks worse than Watergate. Worse for and about the president. Worse for the overall national interest. Worse in what it suggests about the American democratic system’s ability to defend itself. Here is a summary of some reasons why:
    The underlying offense
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    And what is alleged this time? Nothing less than attacks by an authoritarian foreign government on the fundamentals of American democracy, by interfering with an election—and doing so as part of a larger strategy that included parallel interference in the United Kingdom, France, Germany, and elsewhere. At worst, such efforts might actually have changed the election results. At least, they were meant to destroy trust in democracy. Not much of this is fully understood or proven, but the potential stakes are incomparably greater than what happened during Watergate, crime and cover-up alike.
    The blatancy of the interference
    <snip>
    Nixon’s private comments could be vile, but nothing he said in public is comparable to Trump’s dismissing James Comey as a “showboat,” or the thuggishly menacing tweet that Trump sent out today:
    The nature of the president
    <snip>
    Richard Nixon was a dark but complex figure. He was paranoid, resentful, bigoted, and a crook. He was also deeply knowledgeable, strategically prescient, publicly disciplined—and in some aspects of his domestic policy strikingly “progressive” by today’s standards (for instance, his creation of the Environmental Protection Agency).

    Donald Trump, by contrast—well, read the transcripts of his two most recent interviews, and weep. He is impulsive, and ignorant, and apparently beyond the reach of any control, even his own.
    The resiliency of the fabric of American institutions
    <snip>
    During Watergate... Within the space of a few hours, three senior officials—Richardson, Ruckelshaus, and Cox—had all made a choice of principle over position, and resigned or been fired rather than comply with orders they considered illegitimate. Their example shines nearly half a century later because such a choice remains so rare.


    What would it take for today’s institutions to show that they are as healthy and resilient as they were even during the troubled Watergate era? History isn’t fair, and much of the burden of answering that question falls right now on one man. That is of course Rod Rosenstein, the newly confirmed deputy attorney general who, because of Jeff Sessions’s supposed recusal from the Russian-affairs investigations, is nominally in charge of them. If he wanted to be remembered as another Richardson, Ruckelshaus, or Cox, he would already have called for the appointment of a special prosecutor, or would do so today. Mr. Rosenstein, a lot depends on you.
    The cravenness of party leaders
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    On the merits, this era’s Republican president has done far more to justify investigation than Richard Nixon did. Yet this era’s Republican senators and members of congress have, cravenly, done far less. A few have grumbled about “concerns” and so on, but they have stuck with Trump where it counts, in votes, and since Comey’s firing they have been stunning in their silence.


    Today’s party lineup in the Senate is of course 52–48, in favor of the Republicans. Thus a total of three Republican senators have it within their power to change history, by insisting on an honest, independent investigation of what the Russians have been up do and how the mechanics of American democracy can best defend themselves. (To spell it out, three Republicans could join the 48 Democrats and Independents already calling for investigations, and constitute a Senate majority to empower a genuinely independent inquiry.) So far they have fallen in line with their party’s leader, Mitch McConnell, who will be known in history for favoring party above all else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Interim FBI Director Andrew McCabe is currently under Department of Justice investigation due to his wife's political connections to the Democrats and her financial connections with the Clintons.

    (see the last 3 pages in this letter dated March 28 from Senator Grassley to James Comey: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/site...nflicts%29.pdf)


    Interesting! I've passed this on, thanks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by hello lady View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Interim FBI Director Andrew McCabe is currently under Department of Justice investigation due to his wife's political connections to the Democrats and her financial connections with the Clintons.

    (see the last 3 pages in this letter dated March 28 from Senator Grassley to James Comey: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/site...nflicts%29.pdf)


    Interesting! I've passed this on, thanks..
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    Draining the swamp he was elected to do

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    How? By making it toxic?
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    And saying that he has recordings would bring that about how, exactly?

    Expect subpoenas for the Trump records to be issued and Trump will either have to comply or admit that he's lying. Yeah, brilliant plan.

    He's about as effective at cunning plans as Baldrick.
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    James Clapper today has now stated that he feels that the US system of government and checks and balances are under assault both externally by Russia, and internally by Donald Trump. This is the former director of national intelligence, keep in mind. A career military man and civil servant whose reputation is beyond reproach, and who has never been partisan while serving his country.

    http://time.com/4778510/james-comey-.../?xid=homepage

    "I think, in many ways, our institutions are under assault, both externally — and that's the big news here, is the Russian interference in our election system," Clapper said. "I think as well our institutions are under assault internally."


    When he was asked, "Internally, from the president?" Clapper said, "Exactly."

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    Americans are the most paranoid people on earth. Everyone is out to "get them". Meanwhile nobody really gives a shite and have their own countries and problems to take care of. The dems are playing this card to the max and have even convinced a lot of reps. that the sky is falling. Behind closed doors the creators of all this nonsense must be laughing their heads off.

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    So are you convinced that Russia did nothing to influence the election?

    Don't forget that the US actively supported dicators, influenced elections and helped overthrow governments in Latin America ( Hence the term 'banana republic' )and all over the world for decades.

    So are you saying that Russia is incapable of doing the same and have not done so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And saying that he has recordings would bring that about how, exactly?
    If the alleged recordings show him to be clean and show something bad about Comey (which they obviously do, because he openly teased them), then Trump wins. Nobody knows if the "tapes" that Trump referred to are national surveillance, or Trump's own recordings.

    I read somewhere about Trump winning a legal battle in the 80s because of recording his own phone calls. Now this is speculation, but as a billionaire who has had people attacking him for most of his life, he probably records his own calls all the time.

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    "Which they obviously do"

    Ha.

    Like Trump hasn't made a habit of making stuff up. That's pretty much his trademark.
    There can only be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And saying that he has recordings would bring that about how, exactly?
    If the alleged recordings show him to be clean and show something bad about Comey (which they obviously do, because he openly teased them), then Trump wins. Nobody knows if the "tapes" that Trump referred to are national surveillance, or Trump's own recordings.

    I read somewhere about Trump winning a legal battle in the 80s because of recording his own phone calls. Now this is speculation, but as a billionaire who has had people attacking him for most of his life, he probably records his own calls all the time.
    Trump is the president. He doesn't have "his own recordings." If he recorded someone, then they are national records and subject to laws regarding such. Being president is a 24/7 job. He doesn't have personal time off where he can record people and NOT have them be subject to the law.

    Trump’s Russia scandal keeps getting deeper: At this point, campaign collusion might be the least of his problems

    It’s still unclear exactly what’s wrong with the president that he continues to botch and fumble the political reaction to the widening Russia scandal. We should definitely rule out, with prejudice, any argument that the president is practicing “three-dimensional chess” — that is, the “crazy like a fox” theory suggesting that Trump is working his way through a twisty Machiavellian strategy that we mere mortals are incapable of understanding. There’s nothing like that going on here. Chances are, Trump is being perpetually stymied by a combination of his desperation to kill the Russia probe; his clinical delusions, in which he believes certain things are real that clearly aren’t; his political ignorance; and, of course, his erratic kneejerk style of blurting gibberish and lies without any message discipline or self-censorship.

    http://www.salon.com/2017/05/15/trum...-his-problems/

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    That defense minister we have , Sajjin. Under a Trump admin would have been FIRED long ago,.

    But, here in Canada he given a reward, a big bloated pension , a promotion.

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    ^ In the US, they have a person with all those traits and orange comb-over.
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    There's now a report that Trump tried to get two other intelligence heads to stop the Russia investigation. It’s worth pointing out that when Richard Nixon resigned under pressure, the Articles of Impeachment being crafted against him were focused not on his Watergate crimes, but on obstruction of justice for having tried to impede the investigation into Watergate.

    Trump asked intelligence chiefs to push back against FBI collusion probe after Comey revealed its existence

    Trump made separate appeals to the director of national intelligence, Daniel Coats, and to Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, urging them to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion during the 2016 election.


    Coats and Rogers refused to comply with the requests, which they both deemed to be inappropriate, according to two current and two former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private communications with the president.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.22e99e7f79a3

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    Meanwhile, Trump decides to break his silence about the matter during a photo op in Israel and basically confirm that the source he outed was from Israel. And the source he exposed is most likely dead already.

    Donald Trump's Russia intelligence leak 'will get Americans killed,' says former CIA agent

    “We rely on our allies whether it’s Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel to get inside these groups. They’re closer. This is part of their world. To lose these sources, to lose these liaison services is a catastrophe.


    “We have to understand that breaches like this will get Americans killed eventually. There’s no better way to put it.”


    Former Assistant Secretary for Homeland Security Juliette Kayyem added that the intelligence source is “likely dead,” a concern echoed by other security experts.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7738156.html

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    And those on the right continue to go "Nothing to see here, move along."

    Former CIA director on Trump and Russia: 'I saw intelligence that was worthy of investigation'

    It was clear from Brennan’s testimony that the Trump campaign was in communication with the Russians and that communication involved more than one person. He also indicated that there was sufficient information that the CIA had forwarded information to the FBI and supported the investigation. Asked specifically about whether it there was evidence of collusion, Brennan left indications that such evidence may have already been collected. And once again, Republicans who were convinced that there is nothing to this scandal, got answers they didn’t want.


    Gowdy: Did you see evidence of collusion, coordination, conspiracy between Donald Trump and Russian state actors?


    Brennan: I saw information, intelligence that was worthy of investigation by the bureau to determine whether or not such cooperation or collusion was taking place.

    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017...-investigation

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    Speaking of fake news, here's a retraction from the pinnacle of fake news factories:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...stigation.html

    On May 16, a story was posted on the Fox News website on the investigation into the 2016 murder of DNC Staffer Seth Rich. The article was not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all our reporting. Upon appropriate review, the article was found not to meet those standards and has since been removed.
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    Fox News sounds like real news - they actually retracted a mistake!

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    Video of former CIA director Brennan, under oath, saying that Trump has never pressured the Intelligence community to drop the Flynn investigation:

    https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/stat...959565825?s=01

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Speaking of fake news, here's a retraction from the pinnacle of fake news factories:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...stigation.html

    On May 16, a story was posted on the Fox News website on the investigation into the 2016 murder of DNC Staffer Seth Rich. The article was not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all our reporting. Upon appropriate review, the article was found not to meet those standards and has since been removed.
    Yeah, they're the paragons of respectability. Run a previously debunked story for days to distract from Trump's gaffes and troubles and then release a brief apology that their viewers won't believe anyway.

    Just like Obama's birth certificate. Or Benghazi.

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    How is the supposed Russian influence in the US election, worse than the US influence in the Canadian election? It seems millions of dollars was spent by organizations like the Tides foundation to oust Harper:

    Foreign money funnelled towards Canadian political advocacy groups affected the outcome of the 2015 federal election, according to a document filed last week with Elections Canada and obtained in part by the Calgary Herald.

    The 36-page report entitled: Elections Canada Complaint Regarding Foreign Influence in the 2015 Canadian Election, alleges third parties worked with each other, which may have bypassed election spending limits — all of which appears to be in contravention of the Canada Elections Act.

    The Canada Elections Act states that “a third party shall not circumvent, or attempt to circumvent, a limit set out . . . in any manner, including by splitting itself into two or more third parties for the purpose of circumventing the limit or acting in collusion with another third party so that their combined election advertising expenses exceed the limit.”

    “Electoral outcomes were influenced,” alleges the report.
    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...report-alleges

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    Because Russia is an adversarial power that is actively working against US and Western influences in every part of the globe in which it is able to. Not to mention that said regime is also well known for the suppression of human rights, killing of journalists, support of odious regimes in Syria, Iran, Chechnya, and so on. There is absolutely zero moral equivalence between the US (or American environmental groups) and Russia.

    That being said, if the claims in that report are true, they should be thoroughly investigated. You know, just like everyone's been asking Trump to do, and which he's done everything in his power (and several things outside of it) to suppress and interfere with.

    In any case, it's pretty funny that the "outside influence" in this particular case was essentially environmental groups trying to ensure that no new pipelines would be built. Then Trudeau went ahead and approved a couple anyways. Whoops.

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    I have no doubt that some people in Russia tried to influence the US election. After all, outside influence comes from all countries to some extent. That's logical.


    But the assertion that the Russian government took major risks to collude with Donald Trump to help him win the presidency - against all odds and for no real clear reason and without good evidence to back it up - is hard to believe.

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    The investigation continues...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Fox News sounds like real news - they actually retracted a mistake!
    And Sean Hannity contradicts his employers at Faux "News". Do you think that Faux will do anything about that or just keep quiet?

    ‘We’re right, they’re wrong’: Hannity doubles down on DNC murder conspiracy after Fox retracts story

    espite his employer retracting their coverage of conspiracy theories surrounding the murder of former DNC staffer Seth Rich, Fox News host Sean Hannity continues to plug the debunked theories on his radio show.


    During his May 23 show, which aired just a few hours after Fox retracted their report on theories about Rich’s murder, Hannity took to the FM airwaves to double down on the conspiracy.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/were...etracts-story/

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    All you gotta do to get someone off Fox News is go after their advertisers & advise them that doing business with Fox News is untenable so long as Fox continues to employ subhuman staff like O'Reilly & Hannity.
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    Really? Attacking advertisers to get people you disagree with off the air?

    Just another example of the extreme left trying to regulate discussion by censoring viewpoints instead of attempting to face them with better arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I have no doubt that some people in Russia tried to influence the US election. After all, outside influence comes from all countries to some extent. That's logical.


    But the assertion that the Russian government took major risks to collude with Donald Trump to help him win the presidency - against all odds and for no real clear reason and without good evidence to back it up - is hard to believe.
    How do people explain Trump knocking seasoned politicians like Cruz/Bush/Mario etc. of their pedestals during debates. Russians had no hand in that. Clinton got the popular vote so can't blame the Russians for that. Or was it the Russians tinkering with the Electoral College vote that did it?. Seems to me an exercise in futility by Clinton supporters that just will not let go.
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    How about Trump saying that Cruz's father was involved in the JFK assassination? Perhaps supporters of Trump are just that stupid and the Russian interference just convinced more people that they were that stupid too?

    Oh, and Don't the The Donald hear you saying that Clinton won the popular vote. Three million illegal votes for her, don't ya know?

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    ^So, Trump is always saying stupid things. Bush was stupid, Bill Clinton sly like a fox, Obama a bit to cocky. Just about all presidents get stuck with labels about their personalities. Hazard of the job.
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    As the article says, the GOP is playing checkers while the grownups are playing chess.

    Trey Gowdy gets schooled by Former CIA Director John Brennan during Trump-Russia hearings

    “I encountered and am aware of information and intelligence that revealed contacts and interactions between Russian officials and U.S. persons involved in the Trump campaign, that I was concerned about because of the known Russian efforts to suborn such individuals, and it raised questions in my mind whether or not the Russians were able to gain the cooperation of those individuals. I don’t know whether or not such ‘collusion’ – and that’s your term, collusion – existed. I don’t know. But I know that there was a sufficient basis of information and intelligence that required further investigation by the bureau to determine whether or not U.S. persons were actively conspiring, colluding, with Russian officials.”

    http://www.palmerreport.com/politics...ey-gowdy/3025/

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    Gowdy/Brennan blah blah blah. Any and all current and has been political jock in Washington is trying to get in on this deal. It makes them feel important. Let's get our name out there so we can justify are bloated pay cheque. It's a circus, a waste of time, money and resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Really? Attacking advertisers to get people you disagree with off the air?

    Just another example of the extreme left trying to regulate discussion by censoring viewpoints instead of attempting to face them with better arguments.
    What attack?

    Just another example of the extreme right huffing up innocuous words they don't like into a conspiracy about their views being attacked and censored.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Really? Attacking advertisers to get people you disagree with off the air?

    Just another example of the extreme left trying to regulate discussion by censoring viewpoints instead of attempting to face them with better arguments.
    What attack?

    Just another example of the extreme right huffing up innocuous words they don't like into a conspiracy about their views being attacked and censored.
    You are a liberal fascism apologist.

    Also, LOL at you calling my comment "extreme right". To the left these days, everything not left-leaning is "extreme" right.

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    I'm beginning to think some people would have to lose a family member to an extremist Islamic bombing or be laying in a hospital bed dying before they would wake up to the reality and seriousness of the situation we find ourselves in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Really? Attacking advertisers to get people you disagree with off the air?

    Just another example of the extreme left trying to regulate discussion by censoring viewpoints instead of attempting to face them with better arguments.
    What attack?

    Just another example of the extreme right huffing up innocuous words they don't like into a conspiracy about their views being attacked and censored.

    You are a liberal fascism apologist.

    Also, LOL at you calling my comment "extreme right". To the left these days, everything not left-leaning is "extreme" right.
    I was just parroting your words, but in your sputter to call me names you overlooked that and didn't bother to answer my question.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Really? Attacking advertisers to get people you disagree with off the air?

    Just another example of the extreme left trying to regulate discussion by censoring viewpoints instead of attempting to face them with better arguments.
    What attack?

    Just another example of the extreme right huffing up innocuous words they don't like into a conspiracy about their views being attacked and censored.
    You are a liberal fascism apologist.

    Also, LOL at you calling my comment "extreme right". To the left these days, everything not left-leaning is "extreme" right.
    You are an *****. Liberalism and fascism are on opposite ends of the political spectrum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I'm beginning to think some people would have to lose a family member to an extremist Islamic bombing or be laying in a hospital bed dying before they would wake up to the reality and seriousness of the situation we find ourselves in.
    I worked with a guy who's aunt was on one of the planes that hit the WTC. He was upset, of course. However, he spoke out against people who were blaming Muslims in general for the attacks. And he was utterly opposed to the Iraq war. Always voted Republican. Voted for Bush the first time. Didn't the second. He realized that it's a very small subset of Islam that's responsible for the attacks and didn't want to give them exactly what they want, a reason that they can claim there's a war on Islam.

    We had a young lady from Afghanistan who worked as a bellman at our hotel. She had to change her name badge after getting assaulted by someone who saw where she was from (you put your home town or country on the badge along with your first name). The entire department was appalled. Maybe we should have supported the guy who attacked her instead. Would that have made you happy? She had moved to the States when she was a toddler. So, an immigrant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Really? Attacking advertisers to get people you disagree with off the air?

    Just another example of the extreme left trying to regulate discussion by censoring viewpoints instead of attempting to face them with better arguments.
    What attack?

    Just another example of the extreme right huffing up innocuous words they don't like into a conspiracy about their views being attacked and censored.

    You are a liberal fascism apologist.

    Also, LOL at you calling my comment "extreme right". To the left these days, everything not left-leaning is "extreme" right.
    I was just parroting your words, but in your sputter to call me names you overlooked that and didn't bother to answer my question.
    He said "go after their advertisers".

    Sounds like an attack to me. If you don' think so, that's OK.

    It's still an attempt to suppress and censor opposing viewpoints instead of arguing against them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Really? Attacking advertisers to get people you disagree with off the air?

    Just another example of the extreme left trying to regulate discussion by censoring viewpoints instead of attempting to face them with better arguments.
    What attack?

    Just another example of the extreme right huffing up innocuous words they don't like into a conspiracy about their views being attacked and censored.
    You are a liberal fascism apologist.

    Also, LOL at you calling my comment "extreme right". To the left these days, everything not left-leaning is "extreme" right.
    Seriously? Your initial post used the incorrect label of "extreme left" which likely specifically prompted Spudly's use of "extreme right." What's good for the goose and all...

    And boycotts are not liberal fascism (unless induced by the state), but one of the tenets and inherent risks associated with advertising. If you advertise with a source, it's with the intent of ingratiating yourself with that audience. The natural outcome of doing so with a biased source is that you will alienate those with opposing viewpoints. Company X wishes to associate with these ideologies; therefore, I will not associate with Company X. It certainly works both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I'm beginning to think some people would have to lose a family member to an extremist Islamic bombing or be laying in a hospital bed dying before they would wake up to the reality and seriousness of the situation we find ourselves in.
    No. Liberalism is a mental illness. "Tolerance" is more important to the terror sympathizers on the left than public safety, personal security, and individual rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Really? Attacking advertisers to get people you disagree with off the air?

    Just another example of the extreme left trying to regulate discussion by censoring viewpoints instead of attempting to face them with better arguments.
    What attack?

    Just another example of the extreme right huffing up innocuous words they don't like into a conspiracy about their views being attacked and censored.
    You are a liberal fascism apologist.

    Also, LOL at you calling my comment "extreme right". To the left these days, everything not left-leaning is "extreme" right.
    You are an *****. Liberalism and fascism are on opposite ends of the political spectrum.
    I'd say that there is not much linear relation between the two, in the pejorative sense. I get what MrOilers is saying with his statement. I think he's wrong, but I understand the sentiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattagame View Post
    Seriously? Your initial post used the incorrect label of "extreme left" which likely specifically prompted Spudly's use of "extreme right." What's good for the goose and all...
    The extreme left advocates for censorship and suppression of people speaking out against politically-correct echo chamber. The "normal" left will actually debate and pose reasonable arguments in support of their viewpoints.

    People in these threads for months have called almost everything not agreeing with the echo chamber, "alt right" or "extreme right". It's the new fad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I'm beginning to think some people would have to lose a family member to an extremist Islamic bombing or be laying in a hospital bed dying before they would wake up to the reality and seriousness of the situation we find ourselves in.
    No. Liberalism is a mental illness. "Tolerance" is more important to the terror sympathizers on the left than public safety, personal security, and individual rights.
    I don't think you'll find many who sympathize with terror. What you will find are people who want a deeper understanding of what causes extremism, radicalization, and terrorism in order to combat it. Dropping as many bombs as possible is certainly one way to combat it, but it hasn't really been effective to date. So, we need to look further at a root cause than "It's those moozlums! Let's just kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out!" It's interesting that you would also cite individual rights as a concern. Are the rights of the Islamic community en masse not worthy of protection?

    And the mental illness comment is kind of (really) ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Whattagame View Post
    Seriously? Your initial post used the incorrect label of "extreme left" which likely specifically prompted Spudly's use of "extreme right." What's good for the goose and all...
    The extreme left advocates for censorship and suppression of people speaking out against politically-correct echo chamber. The "normal" left will actually debate and pose reasonable arguments in support of their viewpoints.

    People in these threads for months have called almost everything not agreeing with the echo chamber, "alt right" or "extreme right". It's the new fad!
    Problem is, the majority of the people that you are calling extreme left, are politically nowhere near the extreme left. They just vehemently disagree with you. No doubt claims of "extreme right" often fall into the same category, but that side of the spectrum has become far more pervasive. Actual leftist extremism has no platform of consequence, but right wing ultra-conservatism is indeed coming to the forefront.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Liberalism is a mental illness.
    Wow, right out of Breitbart and Infowars! Never thought I'd see that in lil ole Edmonton.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Really? Attacking advertisers to get people you disagree with off the air?

    Just another example of the extreme left trying to regulate discussion by censoring viewpoints instead of attempting to face them with better arguments.
    What attack?

    Just another example of the extreme right huffing up innocuous words they don't like into a conspiracy about their views being attacked and censored.

    You are a liberal fascism apologist.

    Also, LOL at you calling my comment "extreme right". To the left these days, everything not left-leaning is "extreme" right.
    I was just parroting your words, but in your sputter to call me names you overlooked that and didn't bother to answer my question.
    He said "go after their advertisers".

    Sounds like an attack to me. If you don' think so, that's OK.

    It's still an attempt to suppress and censor opposing viewpoints instead of arguing against them.
    It's not an attempt to censor. Nobody is talking about taking away Hannity's ability to speak out about whatever he wants. It's about letting people that are advertising on his program know that you are tying the two together.

    Now, on the right, we had the Dixie Chicks saying they were embarrassed that GWB was from Texas. Suddenly concerts were cancelled and radio stations stopped playing them and people were burning their albums. That's what censorship is. If they had simply said "If you're advertising the Dixie Chicks, we won't be attending the concert", then that's capitalism. People voting with their dollars. But the "unfettered capitalists" on the right suddenly think that that's unfair.

    I suppose you think that the advertisers who dumped Bill O'Reilly over the sexual harassment charges were just being mean. The people have a right to react to how and where companies advertise and advertisers are free to accept or reject those opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    All you gotta do to get someone off Fox News is go after their advertisers & advise them that doing business with Fox News is untenable so long as Fox continues to employ subhuman staff like O'Reilly & Hannity.
    FOX is steadily losing market share as advertisers and listeners leave.


    Amid turmoil, is Fox News losing its perch as cable news leader?
    http://www.latimes.com/business/holl...524-story.html

    The conservative cable news channel is also still reeling from the loss of its other star anchor, Bill O’Reilly, who was ousted last month after reports that several women had been paid a combined $13 million to settle claims of sexual harassment and verbal abuse. O’Reilly denied any wrongdoing.

    O’Reilly’s departure has taken a toll on Fox News, which is showing signs that it may be losing its perch as the dominant force in cable news. Last week, Fox finished behind CNN and MSNBC among viewers ages 25 to 54, the demographic most important to advertisers who buy commercial time on the network. Fox News has not finished third in that category for a full week since Dec. 28, 2008, when the murder trial of Casey Anthony was a dominant cable news story for MSNBC and CNN’s sister channel, HLN.
    Last week, MSNBC won all five weekdays over CNN and Fox News in prime time, according to Nielsen data. The NBC-owned network led by “The Rachel Maddow Show,” now the No. 1 show in cable news with an average of 2.9 million viewers last week, became the go-to destination for viewers transfixed by the unfolding White House scandal.

    The story is having the opposite effect at Fox News, where conservative commentators were more skeptical about the significance of the leaks related to Trump’s handling of Comey’s dismissal.


    “The sheer cascade of events last week that made Trump look so bad, it was simply too much for that audience and they didn’t want to tune in to the news last week,” said Jonathan Klein, a former president of CNN. “Fox News better hope that that’s the case.”
    Media Matters also published a list of his show’s advertisers to put pressure on the network to drop Hannity. Dozens of advertisers fled “The O’Reilly Factor” after allegations of sexual harassment — a move that ultimately pressured Fox News into firing O’Reilly.

    Earlier in the day, Hannity tweeted defiantly to his 2.37 million followers: “IMPORTANT! Mediamatters is trying to silence me, get me fired, pressure my advertising on radio & TV. Liberal Fascism. I need your help!!”

    "Liberal Fascism" Now we know where MrOilers gets his sound bites. Then parrots them.

    He, no doubt, has read Michael Savage's book "Liberalism is a mental illness" and believes all the propaganda that the Alt-Right conservative nationalist and Trump supporter spins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Really? Attacking advertisers to get people you disagree with off the air?


    Just another example of the extreme left trying to regulate discussion by censoring viewpoints instead of attempting to face them with better arguments.
    No, just reminding them that who they choose to do business with reflects on them as a company & associating with kooks, racists, sexual predators, bigots & the rest that Fox employs (and caters to) may not be in their best interests.
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    MrOilers is on his soapbox again...

    As if the right wing conservatives don't attack advertisers who they disagree with... As if.
    The Alt-Right conservatives have a long history of book burning, record burning, censorship laws and attacks on the free press. Including by Trump who openly attacked everything from the Washington Post, the New York Times to Saturday Night Live.

    MrOilers, you argument is so full of holes, it makes a sponge sound solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I'm beginning to think some people would have to lose a family member to an extremist Islamic bombing or be laying in a hospital bed dying before they would wake up to the reality and seriousness of the situation we find ourselves in.
    No. Liberalism is a mental illness. "Tolerance" is more important to the terror sympathizers on the left than public safety, personal security, and individual rights.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libera...ental_Disorder

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    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...mental-illness

    it seems that prominent Republicans have evidenced each of these ten telltale signs of mental illness over the past year:1) Denial: humans did not evolve; Obama is not a native-born American Christian
    2) Delusion: climate is not changing
    3) Hallucination: God ordained me to be President
    4) Disordered Thinking: being for small government that's huge in the bedroom; being anti-contraception and anti-abortion
    5) Anger: Newt Gingrich’s perpetual scowl
    6) Anti-social Behavior: toward women, gays, minorities, anyone without an umbilical cord or trust fund
    7) Sexual Preoccupation: a fervent compulsion to control when we can mate, with whom we can mate, and precisely how we are allowed to mate (which I lampoon in Why Do Politicians Want to Police Dick and Jane's Private Parts?)
    Grandiosity: even Rick Santorum recognizes Gingrich’s “over the moon” grandiosity
    9) General Oddness: Ron Paul
    10) Paranoia: pretty much all of them, all of the time

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    This just in: people from both sides of the political spectrum are slinging mud on C2E and everyone is completely surprised. Medwards even looks up awkward articles that no one will read about the other side! /s

    Next, Mr. Oilers is going to go crazy and explain why the extreme right is just as bad as the extreme left.

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    Every source on that chart is "according to reports" or reportedly".

    The media (especially the two biggest anti-Trump newspapers - Washington post and NY Times) have not been very trustworthy in their reporting.

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    Nice find Medwards except it was a bit dated, June 2012 and a lot has happened.

    1) Denial: Russia did not hack the election and there is no investigation of Trump
    2) Delusion: climate is not changing, (unchanged)
    3) Hallucination: God ordained Trump to be President (updated)
    4) Disordered Thinking: Fight for the little guy with a administration packed with white male billionaires
    5) Anger: Trump's daily tweets
    6) Anti-social Behavior: Gets along with Russians, Saudi's, dictators etc. Does not get along with German Chancellor,
    7) Sexual Preoccupation: "I have big hands"
    8 ) Grandiosity: Repeat after the Cheeto in Chief, "Won with the greatest electoral victory since Andrew Jackson stopped the Civil War and we had the largest crowds too!"
    9) General Oddness: Trump's perverted attraction to Ivanka
    10) Paranoia: pretty much all of them, all of the time (unchanged)
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    Ah yes, the evil liberal media & their pesky "sources", "reports", due diligence & journalistic integrity.

    Why can't they be more like Fox News & just make crap up on the fly to distract from all the stories they can't cover because they don't fit their carefully curated narrative?
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    Due diligence and journalistic integrity!





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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Due diligence and journalistic integrity!




    that's pretty rich coming from a guy who doesn't source most of his allegations, or when he does, he links breitbart or infowarz or lol FOXNEWS... LOL.

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    10 Journalism Brands Where You Find Real Facts Rather Than Alternative Facts
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/berlins.../#41ca4e18e9b5


    Excerpts:

    1. The New York Times
    This is the most influential newspaper in the U.S. in my view. Its editorial page and some of its news coverage take a left-leaning, progressive view of the world. But the NYT also hews to ethical standards of reporting and the classic elements of journalism in America. That's what helps the NYT remain, arguably, the agenda-setting news organization in America. It is a leader in business, politics and culture coverage. *

    2. The Wall Street Journal
    The largest circulation newspaper in the U.S., the WSJ made its bones as a business newspaper and pioneered new types of feature writing in American journalism (for example, its quirky middle-column feature called the "Ahed" and longer form, in-depth reports called "leders"). As the company was purchased by Australian media mogul Rupert Murdoch in 2007, the WSJ pivoted to cover more general news in addition to business news. The WSJ is still brand X among daily business publications in the world. Its editorial page is a bastion of American free-market conservatism, using the motto, "free markets, free people."

    3. The Washington Post
    The newspaper that brought down President Richard Nixon with its reporting on the Watergate scandal in the early 1970s maintains its intellectually robust tradition under the new ownership of Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos. The Post has, for decades, been part of the big three national papers - a peer of the NYT and WSJ - in terms of winning Pulitzer Prizes, hiring the best and brightest reporters and producing big scoops.

    4. BBC
    The BBC is the global standard bearer for excellence in broadcast radio and TV journalism. If only U.S. cable news outlets could follow BBC's recipe.

    5. The Economist
    Another British export, the Economist magazine is staffed with excellent economists and journalists who produce a tightly-edited, factually rigorous account of what's happening in the world each week.

    6. The New Yorker
    This American treasure publishes sophisticated narrative non-fiction pieces from top writers and reporters each week. The long-form non-fiction reports on politics, culture, business and other topics often take months to report, write and fact check. The result is deep reporting and analysis each week that is hard to find elsewhere.

    7. Wire Services: The Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg News
    You can't exactly "subscribe" to these wire services. But you can trust reports from these organizations to be factual. They provide a backbone of news and information flows about politics and the economy. And their member organizations that surface their reports benefit from this reporting.

    8. Foreign Affairs
    This bi-monthly magazine is published by the Council on Foreign Relations. It's a serious magazine for people who want intelligence on global affairs.

    9. The Atlantic
    This is another national treasure, a monthly magazine that presents a view of the nation and world from Washington D.C. It is informed by many top journalists who write long-form features and also write some analysis. The magazine and its parent company also subscribe to American journalism principles of fact-based reporting.

    10. Politico
    Founded by reporters who left the Washington Post in 2006, Politico has built itself into a crucial player in politics reporting in the U.S. (and with expansions to Europe).

    Runners Up:
    - National Public Radio
    - TIME magazine
    - The Christian Science Monitor
    - The Los Angeles Times (and many other regional, metropolitan daily newspapers)
    - USA Today
    - CNN
    - NBC News
    - CBS News
    - ABC News

    Business News Sources:
    - FORBES magazine
    - Bloomberg BusinessWeek magazine
    - Fortune magazine
    - The Financial Times newspaper

    Sources of reporting and opinion from the right of the political spectrum:
    - National Review
    - The Weekly Standard

    Sources of reporting and opinion from the left of the political spectrum:
    - The New Republic
    - The Nation
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    Speaking of fake news, lovely letter from Congress to Cheeto Mussolini last week:

    https://beyer.house.gov/uploadedfiles/ostp.pdf

    Disseminating stories from dubious sources has been a recurring issue with your administration.You previously made the false claim that President Obarna ordered your phones to be “tapped” based on false reports which have subsequently been contradicted by senior U.S. intelligence officials. You also falsely stated that millions of votes were cast against you “illegally” after reading about subsequently-debunked “research” pushed by alt-right websites. This, by no means, ¡s a comprehensive list of your activities peddling fake news.
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    That's a pretty good chart, actually.

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    Trump believes that the Fake news comes from anything left of the 98th percentile on the Bell Curve above.

    Another nice find Medwards
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    Nut Job

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    If you want the media to publish something, the quickest and easiest way to do it now, is to give it to the US intelligence community to leak out. The entire US intelligence agency is a total joke now - Obama handed Trump a completely politicized and media driven organization. I mean, they can't even keep some pictures of the Manchester bombings secret.

    They were a "grave threat to our national security", he added, and pledged to get to the bottom of it.

    His remarks come after US media published photos from the scene of Monday night's explosion.

    Salman Abedi blew himself up after a Ariana Grande concert, killing 22 adults and children and injuring 116.

    Mr Trump, who is at a Nato summit in Brussels along with UK Prime Minister Theresa May, said: "These leaks have been going on for a long time."

    He pledged to ask the US Department of Justice to launch a review, and "if appropriate, the culprit should be prosecuted".

    "There is no relationship we cherish more than the special relationship between the US and the UK," he added.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40048565

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    Hahaha, Cheeto Mussolini, the Colander of Classified Information himself, is upset with leaks? Pretty much the definition of "do as I say, not as I do", especially after breaking the first two rules of submarine warfare (which are the same first two rules as Fight Club).

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-no...-idUSKBN18K15Y

    The man has zero credibility.
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    Moa.

    You mean Trump's Intelligence Agencies.

    Why blame Obama when it is Trump's responsibility?

    Oh! I forgot, blame the previous administration for all your failures. You know, the Muslim Kenyon with wire tapping experience...

    After 120 days in office, the buck stops at the Cheeto in Chief.
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    Don't forget, to Moa and the rest of the "Trump can do no wrong" crowd, it's perfectly correct for him to claim credit for a jobs report that came out after a week in office but totally unacceptable to accept responsibility for anything negative that happens be "it was the black guys fault."

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    I love how anything bad that has happened during the first 3 months of President flip flop is the fault of the Dems and Obama, but anything good that has happened is all Trump.

    household average income going up for the last 8 years? It's all trumps doing
    Unemployment at its lowest in years, a trend that has been happening for the last 8 years, all trump

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    Just waiting for them to call us a bunch of fascist liberals that just are crying that Hillary lost...
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