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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    That's not exclusive to the Catholic religion, and wasn't promoted anywhere in that document of the Catholic school board.
    But it appears in their fundamental text that defines their belief.

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    It looks no worse than a lot of stuff in the Koran, but if this was a Muslim school, no doubt you would be calling it racism if someone spoke out against it.
    There you go again, putting words in my mouth after making yet another false assumption. You really are terrible at this whole debate thing.

    (I'm a secular humanist, remember?)
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    Servicing your husband without question? Are you for real? Where does that come from?
    Ephesians 5:21-25.
    Yes, I have read and heard Ephesians 5 many times. Usually it is read from verse 1-33. The homily that follows from the priest has never mentioned/taught that wives service their husbands at will. The message has always been about the love between husband and wife and the respect they must show each other. I have heard this from many different priests as I have attended many parishes. I cannot speak for other Christian denominations but Catholics do not interpret that as you are implying. In my opinion and lived experience.

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    ^its a little ironic that someone who believes that its fine for good Muslim women to be instructed to have their faces hidden from the sexualizing gaze of men, to be upset at a verse in the bible about respecting and loving each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^its a little ironic that someone who believes that its fine for good Muslim women to be instructed to have their faces hidden from the sexualizing gaze of men, to be upset at a verse in the bible about respecting and loving each other.
    If that's what you've gotten from what I've said you're even more brokebrained than I had previously thought. I cannot imagine going through life as ignorantly twisted as you showcase yourself to be in your posts.
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    ^ a true humanist wouldn't support the oppression of women, whether they be catholic or muslim, but a flavor of the month one will decide based on political correctness / concerns may be called racist if had consistent beliefs - its politically correct today in left circles to criticize the teaching of Catholicism, but its deemed racism if the religious activities being criticized are promoted by Islam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^ a true humanist wouldn't support the oppression of women, whether they be catholic or muslim, but a flavor of the month one will decide based on political correctness / concerns may be called racist if had consistent beliefs - its politically correct today in left circles to criticize the teaching of Catholicism, but its deemed racism if the religious activities being criticized are promoted by Islam.
    Hahaha.

    (It's no longer worth the effort to try and correct your misinterpretations & misunderstandings, so I'm just gonna laugh at posts like this where you purport to understand something you obviously don't.)
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    Servicing your husband without question? Are you for real? Where does that come from?
    Ephesians 5:21-25.
    Yes, I have read and heard Ephesians 5 many times. Usually it is read from verse 1-33. The homily that follows from the priest has never mentioned/taught that wives service their husbands at will. The message has always been about the love between husband and wife and the respect they must show each other. I have heard this from many different priests as I have attended many parishes. I cannot speak for other Christian denominations but Catholics do not interpret that as you are implying. In my opinion and lived experience.
    Why are you saying never and always? You are just citing your own experience in what you have witnessed in services. In any case why is the defense of the Misogyny contained in several verses in the bible always defended by something like, "Its contained in the bible but that's not what parishioners believe or how its ever talked about within the faith.

    Its that nature of obfuscation that is as offputting as the verses. In short, its denial.
    But I understand in advance that faith requires substantial denial.
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    Jesus. Start a thread to go discuss religion and the bible. No pun intended.

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    Servicing your husband without question? Are you for real? Where does that come from?
    Ephesians 5:21-25.
    Yes, I have read and heard Ephesians 5 many times. Usually it is read from verse 1-33. The homily that follows from the priest has never mentioned/taught that wives service their husbands at will. The message has always been about the love between husband and wife and the respect they must show each other. I have heard this from many different priests as I have attended many parishes. I cannot speak for other Christian denominations but Catholics do not interpret that as you are implying. In my opinion and lived experience.
    Why are you saying never and always? You are just citing your own experience in what you have witnessed in services. In any case why is the defense of the Misogyny contained in several verses in the bible always defended by something like, "Its contained in the bible but that's not what parishioners believe or how its ever talked about within the faith.

    Its that nature of obfuscation that is as offputting as the verses. In short, its denial.
    But I understand in advance that faith requires substantial denial.
    Faith is a personal experience. Maybe you have had a bad experience. I can only speak about what I have seen, heard and lived as a Catholic. I can’t comment on the experience of other Christian denominations as I have not lived it.

    It’s your right not to have faith. It’s your right not to practice Catholism. It is your right to be critical. Don’t read the bible if it bothers you. That is the beauty of living in Canada.

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    Servicing your husband without question? Are you for real? Where does that come from?
    Ephesians 5:21-25.
    Yes, I have read and heard Ephesians 5 many times. Usually it is read from verse 1-33. The homily that follows from the priest has never mentioned/taught that wives service their husbands at will. The message has always been about the love between husband and wife and the respect they must show each other. I have heard this from many different priests as I have attended many parishes. I cannot speak for other Christian denominations but Catholics do not interpret that as you are implying. In my opinion and lived experience.
    Why are you saying never and always? You are just citing your own experience in what you have witnessed in services. In any case why is the defense of the Misogyny contained in several verses in the bible always defended by something like, "Its contained in the bible but that's not what parishioners believe or how its ever talked about within the faith.

    Its that nature of obfuscation that is as offputting as the verses. In short, its denial.
    But I understand in advance that faith requires substantial denial.
    Faith is a personal experience. Maybe you have had a bad experience. I can only speak about what I have seen, heard and lived as a Catholic. I can’t comment on the experience of other Christian denominations as I have not lived it.

    It’s your right not to have faith. It’s your right not to practice Catholism. It is your right to be critical. Don’t read the bible if it bothers you. That is the beauty of living in Canada.
    Thanks for the reasonable responses. I'll let this one topic die as per Moodibs wish. Reminds me that the one way to have discord is to talk about Religion, Politics, Philosophy, etc. heh
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    So back on the thread topic NDP emailgate now gives the opposition, and UCP party, something reasonable to talk about and criticize. This time new and improved critique and not involving religion. NDP better find those email records stored somewhere. If not how possibly inept and naďve can this ruling party be. Rhetorical question. But if those emails are all gone this is just sheer incompetence on display.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodib View Post
    Jesus. Start a thread to go discuss religion and the bible. No pun intended.
    Stick a sock in it. Blame it on Ric Mciver for the direction this went. its completely acceptable that it was going to lead to discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    So back on the thread topic NDP emailgate now gives the opposition, and UCP party, something reasonable to talk about and criticize. This time new and improved critique and not involving religion. NDP better find those email records stored somewhere. If not how possibly inept and naďve can this ruling party be. Rhetorical question. But if those emails are all gone this is just sheer incompetence on display.
    Do you think this is more or less ineptitude than the previous government inappropriately shredding over 300 boxes worth of files?
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    The failures of the past government do not condone the failures of the current government. I expected better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
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    So back on the thread topic NDP emailgate now gives the opposition, and UCP party, something reasonable to talk about and criticize. This time new and improved critique and not involving religion. NDP better find those email records stored somewhere. If not how possibly inept and naďve can this ruling party be. Rhetorical question. But if those emails are all gone this is just sheer incompetence on display.
    Do you think this is more or less ineptitude than the previous government inappropriately shredding over 300 boxes worth of files?
    More. The Journal article is pretty damning. I don't think there are close to 800k files in 300 boxes.

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    I'm willing to bet a lot of it relates to the energy contracts that broken on the basis of NDP changing the law / were settled, the true cost of which has been buried in provincial debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    i'm willing to bet a lot of it relates to the energy contracts that broken on the basis of ndp changing the law / were settled, the true cost of which has been buried in provincial debt.
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    e: hahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahah (for moahunter's crummy edit, it needed its own laugh).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    The failures of the past government do not condone the failures of the current government. I expected better.
    I agree. Listening to QP today, your post is very true!

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    Top_Dawg was wondering why the forum was so slow.

    Then it dawned on him that most C2Eers are down at the a Matrix this afternoon.

    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/poli...mla-at-230-p-m

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    City councillor Mike Nickel plans to run for the United Conservative Party in the next provincial election.

    Nickel announced his intention Wednesday morning to seek the UCP nomination in the new riding of Edmonton-South.
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    I like Mike a lot - on City Council.

    I will not support him in his UCP bid whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From YEG View Post
    I like Mike a lot - on City Council.

    I will not support him in his UCP bid whatsoever.
    I'm curious as to why you think he's good for city politics, but not provincial.

    (Disclosure, I know very little about the guy, except that he's considered right-wing and was associated with that pro-business propaganda group a few years ago.)

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    Mike is a good individual who is not only fiscally more conservative than the pie-in-the-sky faction of Councillors who push a nonsensical agenda that appeals to the minority (I am surprised some them aren't out protesting against the Trans-Mountain expansion) but a practical politician who recognizes the importance of business to the community.

    That being said, I will not support the UCP nor its candidates under any circumstance due to my libertarian/liberal values that are in direct opposition to what they really represent despite all of the attempts to gloss over and cover up that agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From YEG View Post
    Mike is a good individual who is not only fiscally more conservative than the pie-in-the-sky faction of Councillors who push a nonsensical agenda that appeals to the minority (I am surprised some them aren't out protesting against the Trans-Mountain expansion) but a practical politician who recognizes the importance of business to the community.

    That being said, I will not support the UCP nor its candidates under any circumstance due to my libertarian/liberal values that are in direct opposition to what they really represent despite all of the attempts to gloss over and cover up that agenda.
    Okay, so in the phrase "Mike Nickel, UCP MLA", it's the UCP aspect that you specifically dislike.

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    If Mike ran for the Alberta Party I would support him although it would be a shame to see him leave Council and open up the chance of another surrealist getting elected.

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    Alberta Party.






    Top_Dawg is no political hack.... but...isn't the objective to get elected ?

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    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/poli...6k-pac-payment



    Sounds like ol' big arse has another fire to put out.

    This could get ugly.

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    I really like Mike, this lefty council isn;t for him, bunch of pussies..you'll do well Mike

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    I bet Mayor Don is happy Mike is moving on. He's one of the few city councilors that really knows what's going on with Metro LRT signaling issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I bet Mayor Don is happy Mike is moving on. He's one of the few city councilors that really knows what's going on with Metro LRT signaling issues.
    Mike knows a lot more than just the LRT. I know he was ticked off about the wading pool at city hall,Rexall place, I think things just escalated..he would have made a good mayor imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I bet Mayor Don is happy Mike is moving on. He's one of the few city councilors that really knows what's going on with Metro LRT signaling issues.
    I must have missed where he explained it. Please feel free to share a link of a location for that.

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    I never said he explained it. That's you trying to put words in my mouth. Here is what Mike Nickle said on the topic of Metro:

    https://953freshradio.ca/news/390128...ng-big-reveal/

    Read Mike Nickel's statement under the 2nd image of the page 2nd sentence

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    I'll save you the time of going to find it, Dave...

    “And it’s not even designed for the crossing systems that we put in place,” a frustrated Councillor Mike Nickel told Global News.
    Yup, Mike certainly has it all figured out.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Reading the whole article I get the feeling the blame might lie with Thales for not paying attention to the specs the city put out,so I would not be so quick to blam the administration as Nickel did, but it is a debatable point.

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    Mandel should take the hit for this one. Thales was the last bid. They said they could make the CBTC system work. Both parties are to be blamed here. Our current administrations should just rip out the CBTC system cut its losses and go back to what was in place before. Go back to what worked because this doesn't. Right now I think the COE is just buying time to figure out a damage control strategy. Stop the bleeding before it gets out of control more then it already is. But this tangent has already gone off the rails beyond the scope of the topic of this thread.
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    I'm so glad Jason has booted anyone suspect out of this party, keep up the good work, you'll be the next premier..

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    Indeed. Immediately weed out any nutcases that sneak in and the next election will be a cakewalk for the UCP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Indeed. Immediately weed out any nutcases that sneak in and the next election will be a cakewalk for the UCP.
    Absolutely!

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    UCP candidate criticized for calling climate change a ‘hoax’ wins nomination

    Randy Kerr, a former campaign manager for UCP Leader Jason Kenney, will run for the party in the riding of Calgary-Beddington in next year’s election. In Facebook posts, Kerr called climate change a “hoax” and linked to dubious sources — including a website with connections to Breitbart News, a far-right U.S. media outlet that has been accused of promoting white nationalism.
    Side note, this quote from the article really bugs me. "The proof of climate change, Phillips added, is just outside the window — on Wednesday, most of Alberta was blanketed by brown skies and air quality warnings caused by wildfire smoke from British Columbia." It completely discredits you when you confuse regional weather and natural disasters with global climate change, and is way too common on both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    UCP candidate criticized for calling climate change a ‘hoax’ wins nomination

    Randy Kerr, a former campaign manager for UCP Leader Jason Kenney, will run for the party in the riding of Calgary-Beddington in next year’s election. In Facebook posts, Kerr called climate change a “hoax” and linked to dubious sources — including a website with connections to Breitbart News, a far-right U.S. media outlet that has been accused of promoting white nationalism.
    Side note, this quote from the article really bugs me. "The proof of climate change, Phillips added, is just outside the window — on Wednesday, most of Alberta was blanketed by brown skies and air quality warnings caused by wildfire smoke from British Columbia." It completely discredits you when you confuse regional weather and natural disasters with global climate change, and is way too common on both sides.
    No, that quote does not discredit Phillips. As the article says in the very next sentence: "Climatologists have said Western Canada can expect longer and more intense wildfire seasons, on average, as the effects of climate change set in."

    If she said that any one particular fire, say the Fort Mac one a few years back, was a direct result of climate change then yes that's not a creditable claim. But what is going on right now with increased fire activity on average from year to year, that is absolutely something you can say is caused by climate change, at least in part. And climate models are getting good enough that yes, particular effects in specific regions are showing up in said models.

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    And Phillips is highly regarded in his field. I'd take his word over another wacko politician any day of the week.
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    Half the fires last year, were started by humans, I suspect the number is high this year. Look at the nut job that started the Holy fire!

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    ^^ yeah I misread it a bit. It sounded at first when I first read it that they were separate statements, but it was being used as an example not proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Half the fires last year, were started by humans, I suspect the number is high this year. Look at the nut job that started the Holy fire!
    Nope

    2018 burns its way into top five B.C. wildfire seasons
    Lightning has caused more fires than any year since 2009

    This year's fires have burned through a land area that is larger than Metro Vancouver, but slightly smaller than Greater Montreal.


    More than two-thirds of them were caused by lightning.


    In fact, lightning has already sparked more than 1,300 wildfires in B.C. this year, which is more than any year since 2009. That number is likely to increase as the extended weather forecast calls for continued hot and dry conditions, with the risk of thunderstorms in some parts of the province.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...sons-1.4786675

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    ^

    notwithstanding how many of the were caused by humans, it's interesting research finding out how much more intense and how much larger they are as a result of human intervention (i.e. 100 years of forest fire fighting accumulating fuel in general and underbrush in particular). in terms of forest fires there's much more at play than just climate change (and that's true not only in western canada but also in california and australia and elsewhere).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
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    Half the fires last year, were started by humans, I suspect the number is high this year. Look at the nut job that started the Holy fire!
    Nope

    2018 burns its way into top five B.C. wildfire seasons
    Lightning has caused more fires than any year since 2009

    This year's fires have burned through a land area that is larger than Metro Vancouver, but slightly smaller than Greater Montreal.

    More than two-thirds of them were caused by lightning.


    In fact, lightning has already sparked more than 1,300 wildfires in B.C. this year, which is more than any year since 2009. That number is likely to increase as the extended weather forecast calls for continued hot and dry conditions, with the risk of thunderstorms in some parts of the province.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...sons-1.4786675
    I read yesterday something like there were 566 fires across BC now, so unless there is a large roving band of pyromaniacs I haven't heard about, its mostly related to the weather (ie. lightning strikes) and the climate - you know ... ahem long, frequent hot, dry conditions. Its almost as obvious as the noses on our faces, I wish some people would quit trying to deny or pretend it isn't.

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    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle35652545/

    Almost half of fires reported in B.C. this year caused by humans: province


    Yup! I said 2017!( last year) keep up!

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    The worst year for human-caused fire was 2011, when 68 per cent of fires were caused by people. Last year, it was 54 per cent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    The worst year for human-caused fire was 2011, when 68 per cent of fires were caused by people. Last year, it was 54 per cent.
    Is it that people are becoming more careless and if so why was 2011 such a bad year in BC in particular?

    If you think about it for a moment, tossing a cigarette but or not fully putting out a camp fire might not be a big deal in years when it is not so dry. Yes, people should not be so careless, but I don't think human behavior has varied that much from year to year.

    Also, I suspect the locality of dry conditions is also related to the number of human caused fires. For instance if a very remote area with few people living there is very dry, there will probably be few human caused fires, but if the dry area is close to populated areas and well used recreation areas, then likely there will be more human caused fires. Perhaps this partly explains why 2011 was such a bad year for human caused fires.

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    We traveled a lot for work and conditions were often very dry, do you know how many butts we saw flung out of cars etc, too many to count. People do not put their camp fires out like they should, and of course trains start a lot of fires if conditions are dry..

    2011 was bad, 2017 was bad..his year is worse. You heard about the guy lighting two fires in Victoria? bloody fools!

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    That's it, then. Totally ban smoking, camping, and ban all rail movements during the dry season. There, problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    That's it, then. Totally ban smoking, camping, and ban all rail movements during the dry season. There, problem solved.
    No need to get silly, it was just a post..'Im just posting what we have seen, you drive thousands and thousands of miles, you see humans behaving like total idiots..I'm not saying they are the sum total of the fires, they dont frigging help though

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    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ions-1.4828537
    "Kenney, leader of the United Conservative Party, is on a six-day trade trip to India with UCP energy critic Prasad Panda and UCP trade critic Devin Dreeshen. Travel costs are being funded by party donations.

    Kenney plans to visit Delhi, Mumbai, Amritsar and Jamnagar. According to his Twitter feed, Kenney has met with several cabinet ministers, including Nitin Gadkari, India's minister of infrastructure.

    A tweet in which Gadkari referred to Kenney as "Hon'ble minister, Alberta, Canada" raised eyebrows this week, as Kenney holds no such position with the provincial government."
    "He's either there on an approved trip as the leader of the Official Opposition, in which case he's not entitled, as far as I understand … to take outside money, to be funded by partisan donations," Mason told reporters Tuesday.

    "Or he's going there as a private individual and not doing government business. But he can't have it both ways."

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    I'm starting to find that it seems like conservatives worldwide really care about the rules, unless of course they're the ones breaking them. Then it's of course justified, and everyone else is overreacting.

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    Way to Go Jason!!!
    Way to Go Ford!
    Way to Go Scheer!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    I'm starting to find that it seems like conservatives worldwide really care about the rules, unless of course they're the ones breaking them. Then it's of course justified, and everyone else is overreacting.
    i think that’s one of those “seeing what you want” things... you could substitute socialists or liberals or puerto ricans or africans or russians and that statement would be just as accurate.

    ps. that’s not meant to excuse kenney or any other particular conservative’s actions.
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    He’s just practicing for his job as Premier of Alberta that he will hold in a few months. May as well touch a few bases, make some contacts. Asia, South Asia, and Southeast Asia will likely be our biggest trading partners and resource customers of the future. These will be better times for us.

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    I wonder if Kenney is misrepresenting his role in India.
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    He's promoting oil, ooh big scary thing to do.

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    ^He's presenting himself as someone who represents Alberta, which he does not.
    Edit: If he was doing this as a private citizen, whatever, kind of cringy but he can do that. But he's doing it as leader of the Opposition, and doing so through campaign contributions, which is not fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    I'm starting to find that it seems like conservatives worldwide really care about the rules, unless of course they're the ones breaking them. Then it's of course justified, and everyone else is overreacting.
    i think that’s one of those “seeing what you want” things... you could substitute socialists or liberals or puerto ricans or africans or russians and that statement would be just as accurate.

    ps. that’s not meant to excuse kenney or any other particular conservative’s actions.
    Maybe I should specify North American Conservative political parties. It's generally true that everyone does it in some capacity, but it seems to more in your face recently, and a lot more bold than a party should be able to get away with. The Republicans, Ontario Conservatives, and UCP all seem to be trying to push the boundaries for what is acceptable.

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    Any sane society should apply whatever force it can to suppress Conservatism permanently.

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    Yes Mr Stalin

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    The biggest issue for me is that Alberta needs a unified voice, and as he is not part of the leading party, has the potential to disrupt any work or initiatives that the current government is doing.

    I don't think he's doing this, I know he's doing what he thinks is best for Alberta, but he could easily be going around sabotaging the current government as a way to help himself in the next election. Either way, the NDP now has to go around and see what he's been telling people, and if it's correct. If not, then they have to correct him, which harms Alberta's image (as does having to ask around to see what he's said).

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4463224/j...rta-ndp-trade/

    “There’s already been confusion,” Bilous said Tuesday, citing a social media post from an Indian government cabinet minister who referred to Kenney as a minister of the Crown. “We don’t know exactly what he is saying, how he is portraying himself.”
    “There’s already been confusion,” Bilous said Tuesday, citing a social media post from an Indian government cabinet minister who referred to Kenney as a minister of the Crown. “We don’t know exactly what he is saying, how he is portraying himself.”Bilous said Kenney doesn’t speak on behalf of the government of Alberta or the government of Canada.
    Two months ago, Kenney said the current Alberta tax program was not luring investment but in fact undermining it, and that if his party forms government, he will axe the existing carbon tax and then look at further tax reductions.Bilous said he hopes Albertans are scratching their heads.“Mr. Kenney is saying one thing to Albertans and another to an international audience,” he said.“This is where it is critical that our Alberta office in India will be following up with all the officials that Mr. Kenney meets with.”

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    Notley wont be happy, I just heard QP and what she asked of JT, he's not going to do. He is a total failure, so premieres are taking it upon themselves to get things done. Kenney knows individuals in India, why is this a problem? for gods sake..what a bunch of snowy flakes

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    Maybe he’s just a minister. He is a staunch Roman Catholic after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Notley wont be happy, I just heard QP and what she asked of JT, he's not going to do. He is a total failure, so premieres are taking it upon themselves to get things done. Kenney knows individuals in India, why is this a problem? for gods sake..what a bunch of snowy flakes
    I didn't know that wanting the leader of the Opposition to act like the leader of the opposition was being a snowflake. Learn something new everyday.

    I always find it ironic when you call people overly sensitive.

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    [QUOTE=seamusmcduffs;903418]
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Notley wont be happy, I just heard QP and what she asked of JT, he's not going to do. He is a total failure, so premieres are taking it upon themselves to get things done. Kenney knows individuals in India, why is this a problem? for gods sake..what a bunch of snowy flakes
    I didn't know that wanting the leader of the Opposition to act like the leader of the opposition was being a snowflake. Learn something new everyday.

    I always find it ironic when you call people overly sensitive.[/QUOTE]

    Do you, really? How odd

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    Yeah, nothing to see here.


    Calgary UCP hopeful offered support to Instagram page posting racist, anti-Semitic memes


    The private Instagram account frequently posted pictures and animated “stories” to roughly 51,000 followers. Some are innocuous conservative-leaning polls on common political topics, ranging from cannabis legalization to the inclusion of women in the military.


    But many of Rightwingism’s posts are hateful. One depicts Adolf Hitler as a Black man with the fist icon of “Black Lives Matter” below it, and claims Hitler was killed “because he persecuted the false Hebrews” and led a Black-oriented political party. Another shows a political axis chart and depicts left-wingers as “getting gassed” rather than right-wingers (who are either “selling gas” or “gassing” people). Other posts mock same-sex couples choosing to adopt children, Muslims, and African refugees.


    In a private Instagram message obtained by StarMetro, Schuman reached out to Rightwingism’s administrators asking if they’d “benefit from receiving some funding?”


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    Well at least he didn't call us sewer rats, but I'm very glad he's out of the next party to run AB

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    Where do you get that idea?

    A UCP spokesperson did not respond to multiple requests for comment regarding Schuman.


    Schuman said he believed the Jewish community in Calgary-Glenmore would stand behind him despite his offer to Rightwingism, citing his past employment at the Jewish Community Centre and his position as a Zionist. The nomination takes place on Saturday.

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    Nice to see Graham Thomson pop up at CBC: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ally-1.4851268

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Nice to see Graham Thomson pop up at CBC: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ally-1.4851268
    At this point, I don't think it's likely to hurt Kenney if he appears at a rally with Doug Ford. It's not like Ford is regarded as some extremist nutjob; he's the head of an elected majority government in Canada's largest province.

    Plus, Kenney is already proposing rollbacks on sex-ed and whatnot, so clearly, he thinks that plays well with his supporters. And I don't think too many Albertans are gonna be sent into a panic by Ford threatening to use Notwithstanding to decimate Toronto City Council: peripheral issue to most people, if they even think about it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
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    At this point, I don't think it's likely to hurt Kenney if he appears at a rally with Doug Ford. It's not like Ford is regarded as some extremist nutjob; he's the head of an elected majority government in Canada's largest province.
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    head of an elected majority government?

    while that is indeed true, would you allow that to define “not some extremist nutjob” if kenney had invited trump instead of ford to campaign at his rally?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    At this point, I don't think it's likely to hurt Kenney if he appears at a rally with Doug Ford. It's not like Ford is regarded as some extremist nutjob; he's the head of an elected majority government in Canada's largest province.
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    head of an elected majority government?

    while that is indeed true, would you allow that to define “not some extremist nutjob” if kenney had invited trump instead of ford to campaign at his rally?
    Well, I think the political cultures between Alberta and Ontario are similar enough that, if a guy is considered acceptable by about 40% of the voters in one province, he's likely considered acceptable by roughly the same number, if not more, in the other. That doesn't neccessarily apply between Canada and the US.

    And there are exceptions within Canada, too. Notley probably wouldn't want to share a stage with Horgan, or vice versa, but that's mostly because of one specific issue dividing their respective provinces, ie. pipelines.

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    ^^



    Top_Dawg loves it.

    Right on cue.


    " Yes, all through the day there is fear and loathing of Ford and Kenney and comparisons with Donald Trump. "

    https://edmontonsun.com/opinion/colu...6-70b7a63ea511

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    Now another premier has joined the* no carbon tax thankyou*..Pallister


    Kenney said the "multibillion-dollar job killing carbon tax" was not in the NDP's 2015 election platform.
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    The average voter is not a proponent of more taxes. I remember when Brian Molroney brought in the GST. Next election his party was obliterated across Canada with only two seats elected to parliament. Something for JT to ponder. I know there will be a few weirdos that will say this will wreck the planet but one province in China puts out more pollution than all of Canada. By building pipelines we could offer more energy to China that would actually cut down on coal usage. BC is still selling a very large amount of coal to China too. Check google earth at the end of the giant pier at tswassen port you will see mountains of coal for loading. Think Sparwood, Elkford, Tumbler Ridge and all these other mines. This LNG line is a good start though. We can cut down on carbon as greening becomes fashionable but doing the punishing by taxes is more for alcohol and booze, not the every day necessities of life.

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    JT was asked, when you bring in your carbon tax, and give the money right back, what's the point? No answer, must consult Butts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    The average voter is not a proponent of more taxes. I remember when Brian Molroney brought in the GST. Next election his party was obliterated across Canada with only two seats elected to parliament. Something for JT to ponder. I know there will be a few weirdos that will say this will wreck the planet but one province in China puts out more pollution than all of Canada. By building pipelines we could offer more energy to China that would actually cut down on coal usage. BC is still selling a very large amount of coal to China too. Check google earth at the end of the giant pier at tswassen port you will see mountains of coal for loading. Think Sparwood, Elkford, Tumbler Ridge and all these other mines. This LNG line is a good start though. We can cut down on carbon as greening becomes fashionable but doing the punishing by taxes is more for alcohol and booze, not the every day necessities of life.
    I’d say you’re wrong. The average voter is in favour of more taxes - but none that impact them. They want higher taxes on the rich or on imported goods (protectionist tariffs) or something. Everyone wants government to provide them with infrastructure for themselves or their business interests or development which hires them or their businesses, or regulations which protect their guild or profession. The average person also wants social security and health care to backstop them in case they don’t become rich. All this has a cost and everyone wants someone else go foot the bill.

    As for taxing necessities of life. Yeah as a tax aimed at changing behaviour, taxing natural gas isn’t likely to cut consumption. However, here in Alberta it serves as a substitute for, or stepping stone towards, a broader based sales tax and helps stabilize government revenues and pay for desired infrastructure. I can’t see the next government actually trying to run the province without the revenues it’s providing in place of the oil and gas royalties. The next party in power will likely do the usual, blame the debt, rename of breakup the carbon tax or some shell game change and cut government costs (aka offload costs into the cities and select categories of citizens).

    As for the China comparison, ask an MLA to forego salary go help deal with the debt or to work without using fossil fuels to help the environment and they will say that their own little contribution wouldn’t mean anything in terms of the big picture. In other words, they’d use the same argument which they say doesn’t apply to little old Alberta’s minisule carbon reduction impact relative to China’s growing emissions.
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    I wonder what kind of carbon footprint Kenney and Ford left behind.
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    I wonder what kind of carbon footprint Kenney and Ford left behind.

    Probably less than the so called environmentalists that were, and are, are flying around the world talking up the idea that everyone else should make sacrifices but them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    I wonder what kind of carbon footprint Kenney and Ford left behind.

    Probably less than the so called environmentalists that were, and are, are flying around the world talking up the idea that everyone else should make sacrifices but them.

    Zing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    I wonder what kind of carbon footprint Kenney and Ford left behind.

    Probably less than the so called environmentalists that were, and are, are flying around the world talking up the idea that everyone else should make sacrifices but them.
    Of course they're taking a page right out of the David Suzuki's playbook on "How to live a Spartan lifestyle," right?
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