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    That BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL has hit a new price tag that is climbing faster than the stock market and now 300 miles shorter.

    DONALD TRUMP IS STILL SAYING MEXICO WILL PAY FOR HIS $18 BILLION WALL

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump...vidence-774170
    resident Donald Trump still insists he'll get Mexico to pay the $18 billion proposed cost for his "big and beautiful wall" along the U.S. southern border by renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement in favor of the United States, despite resistance from Mexico and, apparently, his own chief of staff.

    Trump reiterated his declaration Thursday on Twitter, after The Washington Post reported that Chief of Staff John Kelly said Trump’s immigration policies during the campaign were “uninformed" and that Mexico will never pay for the wall.
    "The Wall will be paid for, directly or indirectly, or through longer term reimbursement, by Mexico, which has a ridiculous $71 billion dollar trade surplus with the U.S. The $20 billion dollar Wall is “peanuts” compared to what Mexico makes from the U.S. NAFTA is a bad joke!" Trump tweeted.


    That early morning post on Thursday doubled down on Trump's comments last week that Mexico "will pay" for the wall "indirectly through NAFTA, okay?"
    Through NAFTA? So is Canada going to pay for half???

    Economists, however, dispute Trump’s claim that a better deal will yield money directly from the Mexican government to pay for the wall. Collecting higher tariffs on imports—if that’s Trump’s strategy—will only drive up the cost of goods and make production more expensive. Consumers and businesses, not the Mexican government, will pay more, Joshua Meltzer, a senior fellow for Global Economy and Development at The Brookings Institute, told Newsweek.

    "There’s no sort of obvious relationship where this is an indirect way of Mexico paying for the wall through renegotiating NAFTA," Meltzer said.
    In February 9, 2016, Trump stated that: Border wall will cost $8 billion
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politi...ion/index.html
    That was for 1,000 miles
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    There we go, clear as mud.


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    a very stable genius...
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    I don't think Donald can manage Connect 4, much less the 4-dimensional chess his supporters believe he's playing.

    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    He can't understand how one mole can be in so many places so fast.

    Robert Mueller Wack-a-Mole has stumped Trump
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    Amazing...

    The Republicans have the President, the House and the Senate yet cannot agree to pass a bill to prevent the shutdown. Last minute votes, three Republicans voted against it including Lindsey Graham have killed it.

    All this on the eve of Trump's first year. Looks like Trump won't be going to his $100,000 a plate party in Mar a Lago.

    When the government shuts down, the IRS shuts down and all those staff working on the implementation of the Yuge Tax Bill will stop work.

    Hey Trump! Getting tired of winning???? You are the best deal maker ever. You just bankrupted the country by not getting a budget passed. But you are an experienced businessman who has gone bankrupt many times before. Who will bail you out this time? Maybe call Russia.

    Sad...
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    The stupid thing about it is that he's doing it all out of spite for having his racist rant exposed by both Democrats and Republicans. Protection for the DREAMers is popular among voters of both parties but not his base so he can't bring himself to do something that the majority of Americans are in favour of.

    He really is his own worst enemy.

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    The Republicans also put children's healthcare into the bill as a way to force the Democrats to vote on it and then wanted to shelve the dreamers to some late date but paas the bill that includes funding for the wall. Since no one trusts Trump to keep his word, the Democrats refused to sell out.

    This is clearly on Trump because he is totally inept and a rotten deal maker when he cannot bully and bluster his demands on experienced law makers.

    Nobody is buying the Trump ********.
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    Besides, wasn't Mexico supposed to pay for the wall? I seem to recall him mentioning it once or twice.

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    No, he was going to have the dreamers build the wall with their own bare hands and then ship them out of the country.
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    Reports today that Trump is working hard this morning, writing a tweet, blaming Obama for today's government shutdown;


    #RealGenius Obama's deep blue state is to blame for wrecking my party today... sad




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    Is Trump out of his mind with the latest ad?

    He promised a DACA bill would be a bill of love.

    New Trump ad calls Democrats 'complicit' in all murders by illegal immigrants
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ers-by-illegal

    The Trump campaign released a new ad spot on Saturday calling Democrats "complicit" in all murders by immigrants in the country illegally, following the opposition of Democratic senators to a short-term spending bill, which resulted in a federal government shutdown on Friday.

    "President Trump is right — build the wall, deport criminals, stop illegal immigration now," the ad says, showing clips of Democratic Minority Leaders Sen. Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) and Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) "Democrats who stand in our way will be complicit in every murder committed by illegal immigrants."
    A new moral low from the Republicans
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    And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed with firearms championed by the NRA. By body count alone, the Republicans are guilty of many, many more murders then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed with firearms championed by the NRA. By body count alone, the Republicans are guilty of many, many more murders then.
    I don’t think so. Regarding the accusations against the Democrats or the Republicans. Just more BS.

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    We interrupt this program for some historical quotes:





    As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

    [Adams submitted and signed the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797]
    John Adams..





    The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
    George Washington ...1796



    The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.

    [Letter objecting to the use of government land for churches, 1803]
    James Madison..




    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag...urch-and-state
    And modern opinion:


    The Founding Fathers, Deism, and Christianity | Britannica.com

    Although orthodox Christians participated at every stage of the new republic, Deism influenced a majority of the Founders. The movement opposed barriers to moral improvement and to social justice. It stood for rational inquiry, for skepticism about dogma and mystery, and for religious toleration. Many of its adherents advocated universal education, freedom of the press, and separation of church and state. If the nation owes much to the Judeo-Christian tradition, it is also indebted to Deism, a movement of reason and equality that influenced the Founding Fathers to embrace liberal political ideals remarkable for their time.
    David L. Holmes

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/The...ianity-1272214

    More:

    The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity
    https://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed with firearms championed by the NRA. By body count alone, the Republicans are guilty of many, many more murders then.
    I don’t think so. Regarding the accusations against the Democrats or the Republicans. Just more BS.
    A better case can be made against the Republicans. What have they done in the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting, other than offering thoughts and prayers and shrugging their shoulders over bump stocks?

    Besides, I was just playing by The Donald's rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed with firearms championed by the NRA. By body count alone, the Republicans are guilty of many, many more murders then.
    I don’t think so. Regarding the accusations against the Democrats or the Republicans. Just more BS.
    A better case can be made against the Republicans. What have they done in the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting, other than offering thoughts and prayers and shrugging their shoulders over bump stocks?

    Besides, I was just playing by The Donald's rules.
    Fair enough. Anything very goes. Good luck on the spin.

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    In the White House today

    The White House released pictures of Trump and the White House staff laughing and smiling as millions of Americans are about be harmed by the Trump Shutdown.Here are the pictures from The White House as provided to PoliticusUSA:Trump tries to sell more hats, while on the phone:


    White House Releases Pictures Of Trump Laughing And Smiling During Government Shutdown
    http://www.politicususa.com/2018/01/...-shutdown.html
    What is the White House laughing about?

    They just unleashed a crisis of their own making. Now is not the time for laughter.


    Notice that in none of the pictures is Trump in a meeting with Congressional leadership to end the shutdown. Donald Trump is “working,” and by working the White House means roaming around, talking on the phone, and laughing it up with staff. Trump is just hanging out and waiting for the shutdown to end. It’s like he isn’t even president.

    Never in modern presidential history has an administration tried to release photographic evidence to prove that their president is working during a crisis. However, the Trump administration couldn’t even get their propaganda right as none of the photos show Trump doing anything to resolve the shutdown.


    The photos are proof that Trump is enjoying the government shutdown that he caused.
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    Boy, did Schumer ever step in it.

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    Sadly, two dead, 17 wounded in Kentucky high school shooting by 15 year old.

    I thought that all this would stop immediately when the ******** President took Office???

    I guess that the NRA, the Republican Party and the ******** President are complicit in the attack.
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    Old joke:

    My mother bought me two shirts, a blue one and a red one.
    I put on the red shirt.
    My mother then exclaimed, "Didn't you like the blue one?!?"

    The moral is that you cannot do two things at the same time, sometimes.

    Reality:

    With so many things going on in Washington, a huge scandal over the past week almost gets no notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Sadly, two dead, 17 wounded in Kentucky high school shooting by 15 year old.

    I thought that all this would stop immediately when the ******** President took Office???

    I guess that the NRA, the Republican Party and the ******** President are complicit in the attack.
    I'm not sure if they or their supporters understand what that word means. If you mean they are responsible for it by failing to act when they should of, probably yes.

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    Was the shooter a Muslim or a person of colour? If not, then it's simply a tragedy that cannot, under any circumstances, be stopped by limiting in any reasonable way access to firearms.

    Only when "they" are they shooters can anything be done about it, which still won't involve the slightest inkling of gun control.

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    According to the Second Ammendment types,

    Nobody was terrorized in Kentucky. They all were fine that it was one of their own. Just a misunderstood kid.

    Guns don't kill people.

    But...

    Illegal aliens, Muslims and people of color kill AMERICANS.
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    According to the second amendment types, nobody was terrorized in Las Vegas either. Although the state definition clearly states that they were.

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    There are shootings in Canada, too. Several in the last week, in fact.

    There is more crime (of all types) in the USA, though - not just gun crimes. It's silly to just single out shootings as a big problem when they have so many problems enforcing all laws.

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    Shootings are a huge problem. Yes, other crime is happening, but America has a huge problem with gun violence.

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    The US has 5% of the world's population but 31% of the world's mass shooters.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americ...ics/index.html
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    We are 24 days into January, and there's already been 11 school shootings in the USA. But somehow that's not a problem. Keeping those peaceful muslims out of the country is the problem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    There are shootings in Canada, too. Several in the last week, in fact.

    There is more crime (of all types) in the USA, though - not just gun crimes. It's silly to just single out shootings as a big problem when they have so many problems enforcing all laws.
    Whataboutism defence.

    Blame Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    We are 24 days into January, and there's already been 11 school shootings in the USA. But somehow that's not a problem. Keeping those peaceful muslims out of the country is the problem!
    But let in as many Saudis as you wish. Can't ban them. No terrorists ever came from there. Right?

    No..


    ...wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    The US has 5% of the world's population but 31% of the world's mass shooters.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americ...ics/index.html
    It makes sense - the preponderance of guns leads to more shooting, yet some of the US still seem to want to ignore or deny this.

    I suppose to some in the US the right to own weapons is more important than the lives of innocent school children.

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    They want to ban all abortions to protect the unborn but when they go to school, they get gunned down by some mentally deranged lunatic that is allowed to buy many military grade semiautomatic assault guns and countless rounds of ammunition because he is protected by the complicit NRA & GOP and his 2nd Ammendment Rights.
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    It's a good thing his doctor said that he passed his cognition test because this makes him sound like a lunatic.

    The bar is so low that no one noticed Trump’s inept Davos remark about the border wall
    Multiple experts struggled to understand what Trump was saying about border wall funding during a Davos interview

    President Donald Trump is not known for his eloquence, but at some point his inability to articulate becomes a serious problem.


    Take this quote from his recent interview with CNBC at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.


    "But we need a strong border. And to do that you need a wall. And they did agree to a $25 billion wall, of which I'll have a lot of money left over. Because I don't need $25 billion to build a wall. We'll build a great — that's what I do. We'll build a great wall and we'll have a lot of money left over, and we'll spend it on other things."

    It sounded to me, upon reading this, that Trump had just suggested he could ask Congress for more money on his infamous US-Mexico border wall than he actually needs, then spend the difference on completely different programs. If that is what he said, then he doesn't understand how the government works — which is not inconceivable, given who we're talking about.

    https://www.salon.com/2018/01/26/the...e-border-wall/

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    No, Trump and his supporters aren't racists. Really. Honest and for true.

    Would they lie to you?

    ‘Get out of the country!’: Navajo lawmaker harassed by Arizona Trump supporters accusing him of being here ‘illegally’


    “Supporters of President Donald Trump singled out dark-skinned lawmakers, legislative staffers and children at the Capitol on Jan. 25 as they protested congressional efforts to pass immigration reform, according to staffers of the Arizona Legislature and two Democratic legislators, AZ Capitol Times reported. “Waving large flags in support of Trump while standing between the House and Senate buildings, the protesters, who were also armed, asked just about anyone who crossed their path if they ‘support illegal immigration.’”


    One dark-skinned Arizonian who was asked if he was in the country “illegally” was Rep. Eric Descheenie (D-Chinle).


    Rep. Descheenie is a Navajo lawmaker.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/get...ing-illegally/

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    How Trump and his cronies could make out like bandits on "the big, beautiful wall"

    Could Trump’s “big, beautiful wall” be a profit engine — for him?
    Trump’s entire career has been mired in corruption. Why should his ludicrous border wall be any different?

    "The Texas Tribune and ProPublica published a joint report on Tuesday detailing the legal battle over a kickback scheme that grew out of construction efforts on the Bush-era version of the wall. Hidalgo County, Texas, is suing a man named Godfrey Garza Jr., accusing him of masterminding an elaborate conspiracy to use federal funds to build a border barrier in order to enrich himself and his family at the taxpayer expense.




    Garza, who was director of the county’s drainage district, "cajoled company executives to hire a firm owned by his family in exchange for a cut of lucrative construction contracts, according to new documents filed in state district court" writes Kiah Collier of the Texas Tribune and T. Christian Miller of ProPublica. Hidalgo County officials allege that Garza's company, Valley Data, paid bribes to get lucrative government contracts but then failed to do any work outside of being "a kickback vehicle and money laundering machine.”


    The entire debacle, Miller and Collier write, raises "additional questions about Homeland Security’s oversight" process.


    There is absolutely no reason to believe that accountability and oversight will improve in the Trump era, if he does in fact get his wall funding. On the contrary, there's every reason to be worried that putting money aside for this massive boondoggle, even if it gets zeroed out before the first shovel hits the ground, will offer Trump and his cronies a massive opportunity to enrich themselves on the government dime."

    https://www.salon.com/2018/02/01/cou...ngine-for-him/

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    Trump really needs the money, and construction graft is something he knows very well so it's not a surprise he's pushing so hard for such a large constructionproject to be funded. Ditto for his infrastructure "plan."
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    They want to ban all abortions to protect the unborn but when they go to school, they get gunned down by some mentally deranged lunatic that is allowed to buy many military grade semiautomatic assault guns and countless rounds of ammunition because he is protected by the complicit NRA & GOP and his 2nd Ammendment Rights.
    … believe that life begins at conception and ends at birth…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Trump really needs the money, and construction graft is something he knows very well so it's not a surprise he's pushing so hard for such a large constructionproject to be funded. Ditto for his infrastructure "plan."
    Trump will bring in Polish workers to build his wall.

    From the guy who is tough on illegal workers taking American jobs.

    Donald Trump Paid $1.4 Million in a Dispute Over Undocumented Workers

    http://time.com/5039109/donald-trump...bonwit-teller/

    Donald Trump quietly paid $1.4 million in 1998 to settle a class-action lawsuit that alleged he stiffed a union pension fund by employing undocumented Polish laborers to demolish a department store to make way for Trump Tower.

    The amount became public this week after a judge released previously sealed settlement documents in response to a motion filed by Time Inc. and the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press in 2016.


    “This Order shall remain confidential in accordance with the parties’ agreement at the October 26, 1998 settlement conference,” reads the settlement agreement, which was signed on Dec. 30, 1998, by District Court Judge Thomas P. Griesa of New York’s Southern District.


    The case originated in the summer of 1980, when Trump was under pressure to finish the demolition of the Bonwit Teller building on Fifth Avenue in New York City so that he could begin construction on his signature project, the Trump Tower.

    As noted in an Aug. 25, 2016, story in TIME, Trump hired a group of undocumented Polish laborers who put in “12-hour shifts with inadequate safety equipment at subpar wages that their contractor paid sporadically, if at all.”


    Their hiring led to years-long litigation that Trump finally settled in 1998.

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    Sounds like the US is a ****-show with their deportation of law-abiding illegals:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/o...portation.html

    It's a shame that they feel this is the proper way to tackle the problem; ripping a father who has broken no laws away from his family. the relaxation of the rules under Obama makes a lot more sense than the new rules under Trump.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    ...ripping a father who has broken no laws away from his family.
    Him overstaying his visa *IS* breaking the law. And the penalty for that is deportation. What's happening to him now is entirely his fault. He should have fixed his situation a long time ago.

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    Ah, so when Trump said he's just going after the people who broke laws, that means every illegal, not people who have committed crimes such as robbery, theft, murder... gotcha.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Melania worked while on a tourist visa. And the brought her parents over. That's immigration fraud and chain migration right there. Deport Melania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Melania worked while on a tourist visa. And the brought her parents over. That's immigration fraud and chain migration right there. Deport Melania.
    Well you see under Trump logic its ok, because she's was Mexican, Muslim or African. It might have been best if she was Norweigan, maybe Donald thought that was where she was from at first.

    Anyways, I thought we wanted to free her not deport her.

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    She would be free if we released her from the gilded cage and returned her to her natural habitat.

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    Muslim ban loses again in appeals court.

    Appeals Court Declares Third Muslim Ban Unconstitutional

    Earlier today, the Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit stated that the ban’s purpose has always been and remains to “exclude Muslims from the United States.” The ruling comes at a crucial time, because the Supreme Court will issue its own decision on the ban this summer.


    Today’s decision confirms what has been clear since Trump first took office. Throughout his presidential campaign, he consistently promised to block Muslim immigration and even announced a specific plan for achieving that goal: a nationality-based travel ban against people from predominantly Muslim countries.

    https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants...constitutional

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Well you see under Trump logic its ok, because she's was Mexican, Muslim or African. It might have been best if she was Norweigan, maybe Donald thought that was where she was from at first.
    There is obviously a clause that exempts the trophy wives of billionaires.
    Did my dog just fall into a pothole???

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    Why is the travel ban necessary.

    Trump wanted a temporary, conditional, and "total and complete" ban on Muslims entering the United States. I think it was for 90 days to allow his new administration to have time "to figure out what the hell is going on" and come up with a policy for a final solution to the Muslim problem.


    Trump has had 13 months and what policy has he figured out other than rewriting his temporary Muslim ban time and again that the Courts wisely shut down?
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    Supreme Court Won't Review DACA Case
    The Supreme Court on Monday declined to take up a key case dealing with the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, saying the case has to wind its way through the appeals process first.
    https://www.npr.org/2018/02/26/58881...a-case-for-now
    The U.S. Supreme Court handed the Trump administration a setback over the DACA program, which shields hundreds of thousands of young immigrants from deportation.

    The court declined to take up a key case dealing with the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program — for now.

    The high court said an appeals court should hear the case first. The result is DACA will stay in place until when or if the Supreme Court takes it up.

    The Trump administration tried to skip the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in California and go directly to the Supreme Court. (The 9th Circuit is famously liberal-leaning.)

    Two lower courts blocked the government from ending the DACA program. Trump had wanted to start ending the DACA protections in March for people brought to the U.S. as children and living in the country illegally.

    The Supreme Court did not rule on the merits or even indicate which way it would lean on the DACA program. This was all about the legal process.

    The ruling means continued uncertainty for a program set to expire one week from now. When Trump rescinded Obama's DACA executive order, he gave it an expiration date of six months.
    Sorry Mr. President, Justice and the Rule of Law trumps you!
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    Whatever happened to getting Mexico to pay for it?

    Trump suggests US military foot the bill for border wall

    Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump has privately floated the idea of funding construction of a border wall with Mexico through the US military budget in conversations with advisers, two sources confirmed to CNN Tuesday.


    Trump discussed the idea in a private meeting last week with House Speaker Paul Ryan, a source familiar with the conversations said, as he reviewed the omnibus spending bill, which does not include funding for construction of a border wall. It was not immediately clear how serious Trump was about pursuing this option, but the move would likely face steep hurdles with appropriators in Congress.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/27/polit...ary/index.html

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    Trump cannot change the appropriation of money in budgets to other causes. Any changes would require Congressional approval.
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    He could if he declared the border situation to be a national emergency. Of course, there's more people crossing the border heading south than north now but he doesn't care about that. He could try. He'd get sued. He'd have to prove it's an emergency in court. He'd lose. But, legally, on the off chance that he won, he could do it that way.

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    Trump gaslighting his base on a wall that does not exist and lies that he changed the law on bump stocks.

    Trump tweets misleading pictures of border wall
    https://nypost.com/2018/03/29/trump-...f-border-wall/



    The images that President Trump included in a tweet about being briefed on the start of his signature wall were actually of cranes replacing a barrier fence along the Mexican border, according to reports.

    “Great briefing this afternoon on the start of our Southern Border WALL!” the president tweeted Wednesday along with four photos apparently from the scene of a small barrier replacement project in Calexico, California.

    The images were from a months-long project — plans for which began in 2009 — to replace a 2.25-mile stretch of barrier along the Mexican border, the LA Times reported, citing a recent statement from US Customs and Border Protection.


    Border Patrol agents emphasized that it should not be confused with Trump’s long-promised 2,000-mile wall that he said Mexico would pay for. “First and foremost, this isn’t Trump’s wall,” Jonathan Pacheco, a spokesman for the Border Patrol’s El Centro Sector, told a group on a border tour in early March, the paper reported. “This isn’t the infrastructure that Trump is trying to bring in … This new wall replacement has absolutely nothing to do with the prototypes that were shown over in the San Diego area,” he added. The original fence in Calexico, built in the 1990s, had been constructed from recycled metal scraps and old landing mat, according to the CBP. It is being replaced with a 30-foot-high, bollard-style wall.



    “Although the existing wall has proven effective at deterring unlawful cross-border activity, smuggling organizations damaged and breached this outdated version of a border wall several hundred times during the last two years,” the agency said.


    Justin Castrejon, a spokesman for the Border Patrol’s El Centro Sector, told the LA Times that “it was ultimately funded under the current administration in 2017, but is completely separate of any political talk or commentary.” But despite the agency’s statements, when asked by the LA Times on Wednesday whether the project and Trump’s wall were one and the same, a spokesman sent a one-word response: “Yes.”


    Trump has complained to associates that he felt jilted when lawmakers included only $1.6 billion for his wall in the omnibus spending bill he signed last week, the Washington Post reported.


    Frustrated that neither Mexico nor Congress will foot the more than $20 billion bill for the wall, Trump said he wanted the US armed forces to pick up the tab by framing it as a national security issue that falls under the Pentagon’s purview.
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    Who knew that Trumps own words would have consequences? He certainly didn't.

    Citing Trump's 'racial slurs' and 'epithets,' judge says lawsuit over DACA termination can proceed

    The decision means plaintiffs can move forward with the suit which claims the president’s plan ran afoul of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment which prohibits government officials from discriminating on the basis of race.


    “Plaintiffs have alleged sufficient facts to raise a plausible inference that the DACA [Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals] rescission was substantially motivated by unlawful discriminatory purpose,” Judge Nicholas Garaufis wrote.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...on-can-proceed

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    We could make a long list of stupid and false claims he made in the past week but I ran out of enough paper.
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    AP FACT CHECK: Trump misses mark on state of Mexico border

    Blames Obama for GW Bush's policies that had unanimous Republican support


    SAN DIEGO — In vowing Tuesday to use the military on the U.S.-Mexico border until his coveted wall is built, President Donald Trump heaped blame on his predecessor, congressional Democrats and Mexico for creating a dangerous and dysfunctional border.

    Here’s a look at some of Trump’s latest claims on the state of the border, including a caravan of Central Americans crossing Mexico, and how they stack up with the facts:

    TRUMP: “President Obama made changes that basically created no border. It’s called catch and release. And we can’t do anything about it because the laws that were created by Democrats are so pathetic and so weak.”

    THE FACTS: Wrong on several fronts.


    In decrying what it calls “catch-and-release” policies, the White House cites a 2008 law that gave new protections to children who cross the border alone from countries other than Mexico or Canada. But the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act passed both houses of Congress unanimously with Republican President George W. Bush’s enthusiastic support.
    Much more http://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn...-mexico-border
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    How many of these may eventually come to Canada ?? If JT find out about this who knows what he'll tweet about !

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1HA01X

    Every country has the right to secure it's borders. If this caravan was heading towards Canada you can be sure there would be a LOT of noise about this. Let's remember it's probably more difficult to get into Canada than the US, our skills policy prevents a lot of illiterate and in-educated people from just streaming into this country.

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    How do you know that these people are uneducated? Could they not be fleeing violence or poverty? As far as getting into Canada, the US border is pretty much wide open. You can just walk across it at most points away from the official crossings. If you were in Stanstead, Que you could cross the border just by crossing the street.

    What prevent people from just streaming into our country is the fact that we only share a land border with one country.

    And these people aren't looking to stream across the border. Most of them are going to apply for refugee status. The rest are merely protesting. And it's not Mexico's job to police the US border for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    How do you know that these people are uneducated? Could they not be fleeing violence or poverty? As far as getting into Canada, the US border is pretty much wide open. You can just walk across it at most points away from the official crossings. If you were in Stanstead, Que you could cross the border just by crossing the street.

    What prevent people from just streaming into our country is the fact that we only share a land border with one country.

    And these people aren't looking to stream across the border. Most of them are going to apply for refugee status. The rest are merely protesting. And it's not Mexico's job to police the US border for them.
    If they are fleeing Guatemala they could go south towards Honduras or El Salvador, or to Mexico and apply for refugee status there, why are they country 'shopping' by going to the US. It almost seems like the Western countries are being shamed/ intimidated by some quarters for enforcing their own rules... go figure !
    If Mexico does not enforce it's borders then the US has no choice but to step up protection of their borders.
    What's to prevent people from 'choosing' Canada, once illegally in the US there is virtually nothing to stop them going north to Canada - just like what we saw last summer.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/asyl...xham-1.4232608

    Fine wonderful people, who broke immigration laws in TWO countries.

    I especially like the quote " Most of them are going to apply for refugee status. The rest are merely protesting".. Yeah, right. Granted some will apply for refugee status, and will no doubt promise to turn up for their hearing to hear their fate - I'm just going out on a limb here, they simply will vanish into the country and will forever remain illegal. They rest will simply cross, take their chance, get caught, and will be in the next caravan.. Wash, lather, rinse ,repeat.

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    Trump says that border crossings are at a 46 year low. Spokesperson says that they're up from the 40 year low last April. Hmmmm, so they've been going up since he took office?

    Trump wants it both ways on border crossings

    "The Caravan is largely broken up thanks to the strong immigration laws of Mexico and their willingness to use them so as not to cause a giant scene at our Border. Because of the Trump Administrations actions, Border crossings are at a still UNACCEPTABLE 46 year low. Stop drugs!"

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    Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen even called it the "Trump effect" when she briefed reporters at the White House Wednesday -- pointing out that his policies had led to a decrease in crossings during his first year in office.


    But then she said that despite the many actions the administration has taken to discourage them and to end programs, "we've recently seen the numbers of illegal border crossings rise from 40-year lows last April, back to previous levels."


    That's the opposite of what Trump said Thursday -- that crossings were at a 46-year low.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/polit...ion/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    I especially like the quote " Most of them are going to apply for refugee status. The rest are merely protesting".. Yeah, right. Granted some will apply for refugee status, and will no doubt promise to turn up for their hearing to hear their fate - I'm just going out on a limb here, they simply will vanish into the country and will forever remain illegal. They rest will simply cross, take their chance, get caught, and will be in the next caravan.. Wash, lather, rinse ,repeat.
    A little knowledge on the march, or "caravan"

    The single biggest thing Donald Trump doesn't get about the caravan

    Cillizza: Trump seems to be taking some credit -- along with the Mexican government -- for the dispersion of the caravan? Is that accurate?


    Santiago: No. The caravan is one of many annual marches called Via Crucis in Mexico. These pilgrimages have become so symbolic, that many use that to take a stand on issues like immigration. They typically start off with a lot of people, and participants drop off at different points along the route.
    This particular Via Cruz, organized by Pueblo Sin Fronteras (The People Without Borders), is now in its eighth year of the annual caravan and is made up of mostly Central Americans.


    The organizers have said all along they would travel north in unity to Mexico City, and SOME will try to make it to the US/Mexico border to seek asylum. Last year, organizers tell me about 150 people made it to the border. This year, they project about 200 will get to the US/Mexico border. So yes, the caravan is diminishing in numbers and the group will disperse. But that happens every year. It's not a Trump effect.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/polit...ico/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    I especially like the quote " Most of them are going to apply for refugee status. The rest are merely protesting".. Yeah, right. Granted some will apply for refugee status, and will no doubt promise to turn up for their hearing to hear their fate - I'm just going out on a limb here, they simply will vanish into the country and will forever remain illegal. They rest will simply cross, take their chance, get caught, and will be in the next caravan.. Wash, lather, rinse ,repeat.
    A little knowledge on the march, or "caravan"

    The single biggest thing Donald Trump doesn't get about the caravan

    Cillizza: Trump seems to be taking some credit -- along with the Mexican government -- for the dispersion of the caravan? Is that accurate?


    Santiago: No. The caravan is one of many annual marches called Via Crucis in Mexico. These pilgrimages have become so symbolic, that many use that to take a stand on issues like immigration. They typically start off with a lot of people, and participants drop off at different points along the route.
    This particular Via Cruz, organized by Pueblo Sin Fronteras (The People Without Borders), is now in its eighth year of the annual caravan and is made up of mostly Central Americans.


    The organizers have said all along they would travel north in unity to Mexico City, and SOME will try to make it to the US/Mexico border to seek asylum. Last year, organizers tell me about 150 people made it to the border. This year, they project about 200 will get to the US/Mexico border. So yes, the caravan is diminishing in numbers and the group will disperse. But that happens every year. It's not a Trump effect.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/polit...ico/index.html
    The only purpose the "scare-a-van" serves is to rile up Trump's base and perhaps create some additional fear or hysteria in the US, as if enough does not already exist. It conjures up images of millions of people streaming towards the US border, which is stupid because it is hundreds, not millions and of course the US Mexico border is already fairly well defended or secured. What was, at one time years ago, a stream of people successfully crossing seems to have diminished considerably to a trickle in more recent years.

    Of course, numbers, details or reality are not Trumps strong point. However, he doesn't care, because if he can whip up enough fear or hysteria, perhaps he can get his ridiculous border wall somehow. I expect he hopes the kickbacks from the construction of it to him will be HUGE !!!

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    Scare mongering is his only Trump card. In poker it is called a bluff. We call his bluff and he has no cards except a 2, 3, 4, 5 and a jack.
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    This caravan has not fizzled nor has it gone away
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/29...g-is-full.html

    Again, Mexico is not enforcing it's own southern border. Why are these asylum seekers not claiming refugee status in Mexico ? They are refugee shopping. How many of these will make it to Roxham Road and simply walk across the border.
    Unbelievable that there are 'fleeing' the US. Why on earth does JT not declare that area a Point of Entry and prevent this is beyond me. Enough is enough.

    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...to-canada.html

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    AAAAAHHHH!!!!!! There's brown people coming!!!! Save us from the scary brown people!

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    And they are rapists & criminals become your grocer, your gardener, your judge, your politician and your neighbour.

    America; Land of immigrants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    And they are rapists & criminals become your grocer, your gardener, your judge, your politician and your neighbour.

    America; Land of immigrants.
    And walking among them are the immigrants and children of immigrants from countries that not long ago were people of previously ‘murderous’ enemy states like the Germans, Italians, Japanese and Austrians, Hungarian, Bulgarians... (the WWs axis allies etc.)



    16% so that means 84% were non Jewish (yet they singled out the Jewish people but didn’t provide any other breakdowns for the vast majority in this comment):

    Immigration to the United States after 1945 - Oxford Research Encyclopedia of American History

    “Immediately after the war, the United States was pressured to deal with the over thirty million dislocated Europeans, including a million displaced persons (DPs) who had been forced from their homelands during the war. President Harry S. Truman issued a directive in 1946 to allocate half of the European quotas for refugee admissions. Enacted in 1948 and amended in 1950, the displaced persons acts authorized the admission of 202,000 individuals in two years. These measures were developed within the framework of the existing immigration law by allowing nations to mortgage their future quotas. The DP acts eventually admitted four hundred thousand Europeans; 16 percent of them were Jewish.11 From 1949 to 1952, almost half of the new immigrants were admitted as refugees; most of them had no connections with American citizens. In the 1952 McCarran-Walter Act, refugee policies were incorporated into immigration regulation. Because many of the newcomers had no connections in the United States, assistance was provided through voluntary social service networks (VOLAGS). As this practice continued, the VOLAGS and the religious and ethnic groups involved in them also began to influence American immigration policy.12 “

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    People need to understand that those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post

    "People need to understand that those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law."
    It's almost like you are quoting her!!


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    If america stopped people from coming to its country illegally, it would have never been settled, and would still be owned by the natives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post

    "People need to understand that those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law."
    It's almost like you are quoting her!!


    (quotation marks and image added by medwards)

    It's actually an Obama quote.

    See for yourself - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S88i1eWNhPM

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    It reads like something Sarah would say. Maybe if you add the words "I think..." in front of it, it would be exactly her.


    Not surprised that it's Obama, the greatest POTUS ever, however, surprised to see you using it, and admitting to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    People need to understand that those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law.
    But they're not coming illegally, are they? They're coming to apply for refugee status.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    They are, if they're crossing not at an official border crossings. And they're coming from a safe country.
    Sound like mostly economic migrants. Nothing wrong with economic migrants but that's not the same thing.
    There can only be one.

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    Yup, it seems to me that many people who feel passionately about immigration, whether on one side or the other, don't often differentiate between true refugees and economic migrants. They're not the same thing, and shouldn't be lumped in together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Yup, it seems to me that many people who feel passionately about immigration, whether on one side or the other, don't often differentiate between true refugees and economic migrants. They're not the same thing, and shouldn't be lumped in together.
    Exactly. These refugees have crossed several countries and are making a choice to go to the US. Just like those refugees who fly to New York, get a bus/ taxi to Roxhman Road and drag their suitcases into Canada.Lets not forget, US and Canada do help settle refugees who are being persecuted in their home countries. Plus, both countries send vast amount of aid. It's a matter of economics, we cannot simply let everybody in to the country - it's a matter of economics.In fact, in one of those pics "Asylum is a right" was written on a flag. Excuse me, no it's not a right. Is that where this is all heading ?? Open borders and a free for all ???Regarding economic refugees, the US and Canada are perfectly within their rights to accept pick and choose who enters the country based on skills etc. Re post #1276 ( almost typed 1776), yes, if the Natives were organized and had a concept of a nation state, were organized, had an army, had guns and weapons they could have very well fought and repelled the 'newcomers' and we'd not be having this conversation. However, that is not the way it turned out by way of bloodshed, so here we are. One of the most important factors that helped the first world become wealthy is the rule of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    They are, if they're crossing not at an official border crossings. And they're coming from a safe country.
    Sound like mostly economic migrants. Nothing wrong with economic migrants but that's not the same thing.
    Well, according to the Fox news article posted earlier, it sounds like they are crossing at an official border crossing, and fear they'll be persecuted if they stay in their origin countries:

    U.S. immigration officials said Sunday that the San Diego border crossing where hundreds of Central American immigrants intended to apply for asylum was closed due to high capacity -- but many of the asylum-seekers were preparing to wait overnight.

    Customs and Border Protection (CBP) said earlier Sunday that the agency "reached capacity at the San Ysidro port of entry for CBP officers to be able to bring additional persons traveling without appropriate entry documentation into the port of entry for processing."

    Commissioner Kevin McAleenan told Fox News in a statement that immigrants "may need to wait in Mexico as CBP officers work to process those already within our facilities."

    Roughly 200 people, including women and young children, were expected to turn themselves over to border inspectors after arriving in Tijuana last week, claiming they had a credible fear of persecution at home. Demonstrators gathered along the border to hold a rally in the hours before crossing over, with some people scaling the fence.

    "The only thing I would tell Mr. Trump is to have a conscious and to look at all the people and the way they suffer. Because the people, they are coming from those countries, they are not doing it for pleasure," Osman Salvador Ulla Castro, who is from Honduras, told Fox News. "They face danger and extortions and they are looking for a better life."

    The Border Patrol said Saturday that several groups of families from the caravan earlier tried to enter the U.S. illegally by scaling parts of the "dilapidated scrap metal border fence" near San Ysidro.
    So, a few of them are trying to sneak in, but it sounds as though the majority are trying to do it properly. Obviously the people doing it illegally should be rejected immediately.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    People need to understand that those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law.
    Agree. And Canada doesn’t have the same numbers of people illegally entering the country. Attitudes here would be very different if we couldn’t control immigration.

    That said, there’s thousands of people ignoring their laws and profiting off the cheap labour. What are the penalties down there for doing so and could they be stiffened and better enforced. That was the approach to illegal drugs. Bigger and bigger jails.



    Not even jail!

    The just get a fine that amounts to pocket change compared to the savings:


    DOJ increasing penalty for hiring illegal immigrants | Fox News

    “Under the interim final rule published Thursday in the Federal Register, the minimum penalty imposed by the DOJ for the unlawful employment of immigrants would rise from $375 to $539, while the maximum fine would go from $3,200 to $4,313.

    The changes stemmed from amendments in a 2015 budget bill that overhauled the formula for increasing such civil penalties.

    Violators facing multiple charges also would be subject to a new maximum penalty of $21,563 for hiring illegal immigrants.”


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    Yeah, how's that whole War On Drugs working out for you?

    Bigger and bigger jails. Privatize them. Push for tougher laws so that the for profit jails are kept full.

    Black people got sent to jail for crack. White wall streeters got sent to country club style rehab for powdered cocaine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post

    "People need to understand that those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law."
    It's almost like you are quoting her!!


    (quotation marks and image added by medwards)

    It's actually an Obama quote.

    See for yourself - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S88i1eWNhPM
    Medwards created fake news. But MrOilers missed using quotations marks.

    I think you guys need to come clean and reveal your Russian connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Yeah, how's that whole War On Drugs working out for you?

    Bigger and bigger jails. Privatize them. Push for tougher laws so that the for profit jails are kept full.

    Black people got sent to jail for crack. White wall streeters got sent to country club style rehab for powdered cocaine.
    Yeah, put the modern day equivalent to white slave traders in jail for ‘taking advantage’ of desperate illegal migrants.

    So of course a wall looks more appealing

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    This is a fanastic example of how the Swiss do things. No dithering, endless debate and wasted time, effort and resources

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45232147

    Oddly I have not seen this on CNN.

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    Seriously? FFS.

    Why don't they offer them some Berner Platte

    (English: Bernese plate) is a traditional meat dish of Bernese cuisine in Switzerland.[1][2] It consists of various meat and sausage varieties such as smoked pork and beef, pork belly, sausage, bacon and pork ears or tails cooked with juniper-flavored sauerkraut, and other foods such as potatoes and green and/or dried beans, which are served on a large plate.
    All that pork would let them keep out Muslims and Jews at the same time. As it's a traditional dish, I assume that you'd have no problem with this.

    We could do the same thing with Canada. Just substitute poutime for the Jews (meat & dairy is a no-no) or a traditional Ukrainian meal with kubassa (made with ham).

    What a stupid criteria for keeping immigrants out of your country. Refusing to shake hands says nothing about your dedication to gender equality. There's any number of people that I'd refuse to shake hands with.
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    Porkapalooza

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    This is a fanastic example of how the Swiss do things. No dithering, endless debate and wasted time, effort and resources

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45232147

    Oddly I have not seen this on CNN.

    The Swiss are correct here - refusing to shake hands or talk to members of the opposite sex demonstrates a complete disrespect and disregard for gender equality, and shows that they are both ignorant and intolerant of the work that Western society has done to make women and men equal in society.

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    So you have issues with Jewish traditions?
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    I am defending our society and culture, which treats men and women equal respect.

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    Mike Pence won't eat with a woman who isn't his wife. So much for US leaders treating women with respect.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Mike Pence won't eat with a woman who isn't his wife. So much for US leaders treating women with respect.
    You mean to tell me that if Pence was in the PEOC watching a military operation and the president and some of the senior leaders stepped out - and the only person left was Pence and another women and food was present that he would leave ?
    I suppose it comes down to the definition of 'dining', or eating or whatever.

    All the more reason to simply relegate religious beliefs to the home only. Otherwise we keep having these crazy, ridiculous , circular arguments

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    What Pence himself had to say about that.


    Parker wasn't tweeting some supposedly juicy anecdote that she had learned from anonymous sources secretly chuckling at Pence's arrangement with his wife. She was paraphrasing something Pence himself told The Hill newspaper in 2002. And it came up during the 2016 campaign in stories like this one from the Indianapolis Star:


    During his 12 years in Congress, Pence had rules to avoid any infidelity temptations, or even rumors of impropriety. Those included requiring that any aide who had to work late to assist him be male, never dining alone with a woman other than his wife, and not attending an event where alcohol is served unless Karen was there.


    In a 2002 interview with The Hill, Pence called it, “building a zone around your marriage.”


    “If there's alcohol being served and people are being loose, I want to have the best-looking brunette in the room standing next to me,” Pence said.
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    With the number of people in the USA accusing politicians of infidelity, groping, sexual assault, etc. in attempts to ruin careers, I think Mike Pence is wise not to go on lunch dates with women other than his wife.

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    Trump thinks it's noteworthy that a hispanic man speaks "Perfect English"

    Trump introduces Latino Border Patrol agent by saying ‘he speaks perfect English’

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/tru...rfect-english/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I am defending our society and culture, which treats men and women equal respect.
    What do you mean by 'our society and culture'? Do you mean white Anglo-Saxon Protestants or First Nation's or xenophobic ideals?

    Last time I checked, the Jewish families I associate with are 3rd, 4th and 5th generation while my family came from Germany only in 1954.

    So what does 'our society' mean, as if you have any credible point of view? You say that you are defending it like it is under attack. Who made you the defender of culture and the Sheriff of Society?
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    Are you saying our society and culture shouldn't treat women and men with equal respect?

    You are all over the place.

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