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    That BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL has hit a new price tag that is climbing faster than the stock market and now 300 miles shorter.

    DONALD TRUMP IS STILL SAYING MEXICO WILL PAY FOR HIS $18 BILLION WALL

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump...vidence-774170
    resident Donald Trump still insists he'll get Mexico to pay the $18 billion proposed cost for his "big and beautiful wall" along the U.S. southern border by renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement in favor of the United States, despite resistance from Mexico and, apparently, his own chief of staff.

    Trump reiterated his declaration Thursday on Twitter, after The Washington Post reported that Chief of Staff John Kelly said Trump’s immigration policies during the campaign were “uninformed" and that Mexico will never pay for the wall.
    "The Wall will be paid for, directly or indirectly, or through longer term reimbursement, by Mexico, which has a ridiculous $71 billion dollar trade surplus with the U.S. The $20 billion dollar Wall is “peanuts” compared to what Mexico makes from the U.S. NAFTA is a bad joke!" Trump tweeted.


    That early morning post on Thursday doubled down on Trump's comments last week that Mexico "will pay" for the wall "indirectly through NAFTA, okay?"
    Through NAFTA? So is Canada going to pay for half???

    Economists, however, dispute Trump’s claim that a better deal will yield money directly from the Mexican government to pay for the wall. Collecting higher tariffs on imports—if that’s Trump’s strategy—will only drive up the cost of goods and make production more expensive. Consumers and businesses, not the Mexican government, will pay more, Joshua Meltzer, a senior fellow for Global Economy and Development at The Brookings Institute, told Newsweek.

    "There’s no sort of obvious relationship where this is an indirect way of Mexico paying for the wall through renegotiating NAFTA," Meltzer said.
    In February 9, 2016, Trump stated that: Border wall will cost $8 billion
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politi...ion/index.html
    That was for 1,000 miles
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    There we go, clear as mud.


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    a very stable genius...
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    I don't think Donald can manage Connect 4, much less the 4-dimensional chess his supporters believe he's playing.

    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    He can't understand how one mole can be in so many places so fast.

    Robert Mueller Wack-a-Mole has stumped Trump
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    Amazing...

    The Republicans have the President, the House and the Senate yet cannot agree to pass a bill to prevent the shutdown. Last minute votes, three Republicans voted against it including Lindsey Graham have killed it.

    All this on the eve of Trump's first year. Looks like Trump won't be going to his $100,000 a plate party in Mar a Lago.

    When the government shuts down, the IRS shuts down and all those staff working on the implementation of the Yuge Tax Bill will stop work.

    Hey Trump! Getting tired of winning???? You are the best deal maker ever. You just bankrupted the country by not getting a budget passed. But you are an experienced businessman who has gone bankrupt many times before. Who will bail you out this time? Maybe call Russia.

    Sad...
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    The stupid thing about it is that he's doing it all out of spite for having his racist rant exposed by both Democrats and Republicans. Protection for the DREAMers is popular among voters of both parties but not his base so he can't bring himself to do something that the majority of Americans are in favour of.

    He really is his own worst enemy.

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    The Republicans also put children's healthcare into the bill as a way to force the Democrats to vote on it and then wanted to shelve the dreamers to some late date but paas the bill that includes funding for the wall. Since no one trusts Trump to keep his word, the Democrats refused to sell out.

    This is clearly on Trump because he is totally inept and a rotten deal maker when he cannot bully and bluster his demands on experienced law makers.

    Nobody is buying the Trump ********.
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    Besides, wasn't Mexico supposed to pay for the wall? I seem to recall him mentioning it once or twice.

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    No, he was going to have the dreamers build the wall with their own bare hands and then ship them out of the country.
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    Reports today that Trump is working hard this morning, writing a tweet, blaming Obama for today's government shutdown;


    #RealGenius Obama's deep blue state is to blame for wrecking my party today... sad




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    Is Trump out of his mind with the latest ad?

    He promised a DACA bill would be a bill of love.

    New Trump ad calls Democrats 'complicit' in all murders by illegal immigrants
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ers-by-illegal

    The Trump campaign released a new ad spot on Saturday calling Democrats "complicit" in all murders by immigrants in the country illegally, following the opposition of Democratic senators to a short-term spending bill, which resulted in a federal government shutdown on Friday.

    "President Trump is right — build the wall, deport criminals, stop illegal immigration now," the ad says, showing clips of Democratic Minority Leaders Sen. Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) and Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) "Democrats who stand in our way will be complicit in every murder committed by illegal immigrants."
    A new moral low from the Republicans
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    And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed with firearms championed by the NRA. By body count alone, the Republicans are guilty of many, many more murders then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed with firearms championed by the NRA. By body count alone, the Republicans are guilty of many, many more murders then.
    I don’t think so. Regarding the accusations against the Democrats or the Republicans. Just more BS.

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    We interrupt this program for some historical quotes:





    As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

    [Adams submitted and signed the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797]
    John Adams..





    The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
    George Washington ...1796



    The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.

    [Letter objecting to the use of government land for churches, 1803]
    James Madison..




    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag...urch-and-state
    And modern opinion:


    The Founding Fathers, Deism, and Christianity | Britannica.com

    Although orthodox Christians participated at every stage of the new republic, Deism influenced a majority of the Founders. The movement opposed barriers to moral improvement and to social justice. It stood for rational inquiry, for skepticism about dogma and mystery, and for religious toleration. Many of its adherents advocated universal education, freedom of the press, and separation of church and state. If the nation owes much to the Judeo-Christian tradition, it is also indebted to Deism, a movement of reason and equality that influenced the Founding Fathers to embrace liberal political ideals remarkable for their time.
    David L. Holmes

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/The...ianity-1272214

    More:

    The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity
    https://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed with firearms championed by the NRA. By body count alone, the Republicans are guilty of many, many more murders then.
    I don’t think so. Regarding the accusations against the Democrats or the Republicans. Just more BS.
    A better case can be made against the Republicans. What have they done in the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting, other than offering thoughts and prayers and shrugging their shoulders over bump stocks?

    Besides, I was just playing by The Donald's rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed with firearms championed by the NRA. By body count alone, the Republicans are guilty of many, many more murders then.
    I don’t think so. Regarding the accusations against the Democrats or the Republicans. Just more BS.
    A better case can be made against the Republicans. What have they done in the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting, other than offering thoughts and prayers and shrugging their shoulders over bump stocks?

    Besides, I was just playing by The Donald's rules.
    Fair enough. Anything very goes. Good luck on the spin.

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    In the White House today

    The White House released pictures of Trump and the White House staff laughing and smiling as millions of Americans are about be harmed by the Trump Shutdown.Here are the pictures from The White House as provided to PoliticusUSA:Trump tries to sell more hats, while on the phone:


    White House Releases Pictures Of Trump Laughing And Smiling During Government Shutdown
    http://www.politicususa.com/2018/01/...-shutdown.html
    What is the White House laughing about?

    They just unleashed a crisis of their own making. Now is not the time for laughter.


    Notice that in none of the pictures is Trump in a meeting with Congressional leadership to end the shutdown. Donald Trump is “working,” and by working the White House means roaming around, talking on the phone, and laughing it up with staff. Trump is just hanging out and waiting for the shutdown to end. It’s like he isn’t even president.

    Never in modern presidential history has an administration tried to release photographic evidence to prove that their president is working during a crisis. However, the Trump administration couldn’t even get their propaganda right as none of the photos show Trump doing anything to resolve the shutdown.


    The photos are proof that Trump is enjoying the government shutdown that he caused.
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    Boy, did Schumer ever step in it.

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    Sadly, two dead, 17 wounded in Kentucky high school shooting by 15 year old.

    I thought that all this would stop immediately when the ******** President took Office???

    I guess that the NRA, the Republican Party and the ******** President are complicit in the attack.
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    Old joke:

    My mother bought me two shirts, a blue one and a red one.
    I put on the red shirt.
    My mother then exclaimed, "Didn't you like the blue one?!?"

    The moral is that you cannot do two things at the same time, sometimes.

    Reality:

    With so many things going on in Washington, a huge scandal over the past week almost gets no notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Sadly, two dead, 17 wounded in Kentucky high school shooting by 15 year old.

    I thought that all this would stop immediately when the ******** President took Office???

    I guess that the NRA, the Republican Party and the ******** President are complicit in the attack.
    I'm not sure if they or their supporters understand what that word means. If you mean they are responsible for it by failing to act when they should of, probably yes.

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    Was the shooter a Muslim or a person of colour? If not, then it's simply a tragedy that cannot, under any circumstances, be stopped by limiting in any reasonable way access to firearms.

    Only when "they" are they shooters can anything be done about it, which still won't involve the slightest inkling of gun control.

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    According to the Second Ammendment types,

    Nobody was terrorized in Kentucky. They all were fine that it was one of their own. Just a misunderstood kid.

    Guns don't kill people.

    But...

    Illegal aliens, Muslims and people of color kill AMERICANS.
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    According to the second amendment types, nobody was terrorized in Las Vegas either. Although the state definition clearly states that they were.

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    There are shootings in Canada, too. Several in the last week, in fact.

    There is more crime (of all types) in the USA, though - not just gun crimes. It's silly to just single out shootings as a big problem when they have so many problems enforcing all laws.

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    Shootings are a huge problem. Yes, other crime is happening, but America has a huge problem with gun violence.

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    The US has 5% of the world's population but 31% of the world's mass shooters.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americ...ics/index.html
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    We are 24 days into January, and there's already been 11 school shootings in the USA. But somehow that's not a problem. Keeping those peaceful muslims out of the country is the problem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    There are shootings in Canada, too. Several in the last week, in fact.

    There is more crime (of all types) in the USA, though - not just gun crimes. It's silly to just single out shootings as a big problem when they have so many problems enforcing all laws.
    Whataboutism defence.

    Blame Canada

    Priceless...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    We are 24 days into January, and there's already been 11 school shootings in the USA. But somehow that's not a problem. Keeping those peaceful muslims out of the country is the problem!
    But let in as many Saudis as you wish. Can't ban them. No terrorists ever came from there. Right?

    No..


    ...wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    The US has 5% of the world's population but 31% of the world's mass shooters.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americ...ics/index.html
    It makes sense - the preponderance of guns leads to more shooting, yet some of the US still seem to want to ignore or deny this.

    I suppose to some in the US the right to own weapons is more important than the lives of innocent school children.

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    They want to ban all abortions to protect the unborn but when they go to school, they get gunned down by some mentally deranged lunatic that is allowed to buy many military grade semiautomatic assault guns and countless rounds of ammunition because he is protected by the complicit NRA & GOP and his 2nd Ammendment Rights.
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    It's a good thing his doctor said that he passed his cognition test because this makes him sound like a lunatic.

    The bar is so low that no one noticed Trump’s inept Davos remark about the border wall
    Multiple experts struggled to understand what Trump was saying about border wall funding during a Davos interview

    President Donald Trump is not known for his eloquence, but at some point his inability to articulate becomes a serious problem.


    Take this quote from his recent interview with CNBC at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.


    "But we need a strong border. And to do that you need a wall. And they did agree to a $25 billion wall, of which I'll have a lot of money left over. Because I don't need $25 billion to build a wall. We'll build a great — that's what I do. We'll build a great wall and we'll have a lot of money left over, and we'll spend it on other things."

    It sounded to me, upon reading this, that Trump had just suggested he could ask Congress for more money on his infamous US-Mexico border wall than he actually needs, then spend the difference on completely different programs. If that is what he said, then he doesn't understand how the government works — which is not inconceivable, given who we're talking about.

    https://www.salon.com/2018/01/26/the...e-border-wall/

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    No, Trump and his supporters aren't racists. Really. Honest and for true.

    Would they lie to you?

    ‘Get out of the country!’: Navajo lawmaker harassed by Arizona Trump supporters accusing him of being here ‘illegally’


    “Supporters of President Donald Trump singled out dark-skinned lawmakers, legislative staffers and children at the Capitol on Jan. 25 as they protested congressional efforts to pass immigration reform, according to staffers of the Arizona Legislature and two Democratic legislators, AZ Capitol Times reported. “Waving large flags in support of Trump while standing between the House and Senate buildings, the protesters, who were also armed, asked just about anyone who crossed their path if they ‘support illegal immigration.’”


    One dark-skinned Arizonian who was asked if he was in the country “illegally” was Rep. Eric Descheenie (D-Chinle).


    Rep. Descheenie is a Navajo lawmaker.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/get...ing-illegally/

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    How Trump and his cronies could make out like bandits on "the big, beautiful wall"

    Could Trump’s “big, beautiful wall” be a profit engine — for him?
    Trump’s entire career has been mired in corruption. Why should his ludicrous border wall be any different?

    "The Texas Tribune and ProPublica published a joint report on Tuesday detailing the legal battle over a kickback scheme that grew out of construction efforts on the Bush-era version of the wall. Hidalgo County, Texas, is suing a man named Godfrey Garza Jr., accusing him of masterminding an elaborate conspiracy to use federal funds to build a border barrier in order to enrich himself and his family at the taxpayer expense.




    Garza, who was director of the county’s drainage district, "cajoled company executives to hire a firm owned by his family in exchange for a cut of lucrative construction contracts, according to new documents filed in state district court" writes Kiah Collier of the Texas Tribune and T. Christian Miller of ProPublica. Hidalgo County officials allege that Garza's company, Valley Data, paid bribes to get lucrative government contracts but then failed to do any work outside of being "a kickback vehicle and money laundering machine.”


    The entire debacle, Miller and Collier write, raises "additional questions about Homeland Security’s oversight" process.


    There is absolutely no reason to believe that accountability and oversight will improve in the Trump era, if he does in fact get his wall funding. On the contrary, there's every reason to be worried that putting money aside for this massive boondoggle, even if it gets zeroed out before the first shovel hits the ground, will offer Trump and his cronies a massive opportunity to enrich themselves on the government dime."

    https://www.salon.com/2018/02/01/cou...ngine-for-him/

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    Trump really needs the money, and construction graft is something he knows very well so it's not a surprise he's pushing so hard for such a large constructionproject to be funded. Ditto for his infrastructure "plan."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    They want to ban all abortions to protect the unborn but when they go to school, they get gunned down by some mentally deranged lunatic that is allowed to buy many military grade semiautomatic assault guns and countless rounds of ammunition because he is protected by the complicit NRA & GOP and his 2nd Ammendment Rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Trump really needs the money, and construction graft is something he knows very well so it's not a surprise he's pushing so hard for such a large constructionproject to be funded. Ditto for his infrastructure "plan."
    Trump will bring in Polish workers to build his wall.

    From the guy who is tough on illegal workers taking American jobs.

    Donald Trump Paid $1.4 Million in a Dispute Over Undocumented Workers

    http://time.com/5039109/donald-trump...bonwit-teller/

    Donald Trump quietly paid $1.4 million in 1998 to settle a class-action lawsuit that alleged he stiffed a union pension fund by employing undocumented Polish laborers to demolish a department store to make way for Trump Tower.

    The amount became public this week after a judge released previously sealed settlement documents in response to a motion filed by Time Inc. and the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press in 2016.


    “This Order shall remain confidential in accordance with the parties’ agreement at the October 26, 1998 settlement conference,” reads the settlement agreement, which was signed on Dec. 30, 1998, by District Court Judge Thomas P. Griesa of New York’s Southern District.


    The case originated in the summer of 1980, when Trump was under pressure to finish the demolition of the Bonwit Teller building on Fifth Avenue in New York City so that he could begin construction on his signature project, the Trump Tower.

    As noted in an Aug. 25, 2016, story in TIME, Trump hired a group of undocumented Polish laborers who put in “12-hour shifts with inadequate safety equipment at subpar wages that their contractor paid sporadically, if at all.”


    Their hiring led to years-long litigation that Trump finally settled in 1998.

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    Sounds like the US is a ****-show with their deportation of law-abiding illegals:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/o...portation.html

    It's a shame that they feel this is the proper way to tackle the problem; ripping a father who has broken no laws away from his family. the relaxation of the rules under Obama makes a lot more sense than the new rules under Trump.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    ...ripping a father who has broken no laws away from his family.
    Him overstaying his visa *IS* breaking the law. And the penalty for that is deportation. What's happening to him now is entirely his fault. He should have fixed his situation a long time ago.

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    Ah, so when Trump said he's just going after the people who broke laws, that means every illegal, not people who have committed crimes such as robbery, theft, murder... gotcha.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Melania worked while on a tourist visa. And the brought her parents over. That's immigration fraud and chain migration right there. Deport Melania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Melania worked while on a tourist visa. And the brought her parents over. That's immigration fraud and chain migration right there. Deport Melania.
    Well you see under Trump logic its ok, because she's was Mexican, Muslim or African. It might have been best if she was Norweigan, maybe Donald thought that was where she was from at first.

    Anyways, I thought we wanted to free her not deport her.

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    She would be free if we released her from the gilded cage and returned her to her natural habitat.

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    Muslim ban loses again in appeals court.

    Appeals Court Declares Third Muslim Ban Unconstitutional

    Earlier today, the Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit stated that the ban’s purpose has always been and remains to “exclude Muslims from the United States.” The ruling comes at a crucial time, because the Supreme Court will issue its own decision on the ban this summer.


    Today’s decision confirms what has been clear since Trump first took office. Throughout his presidential campaign, he consistently promised to block Muslim immigration and even announced a specific plan for achieving that goal: a nationality-based travel ban against people from predominantly Muslim countries.

    https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants...constitutional

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Well you see under Trump logic its ok, because she's was Mexican, Muslim or African. It might have been best if she was Norweigan, maybe Donald thought that was where she was from at first.
    There is obviously a clause that exempts the trophy wives of billionaires.
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    Why is the travel ban necessary.

    Trump wanted a temporary, conditional, and "total and complete" ban on Muslims entering the United States. I think it was for 90 days to allow his new administration to have time "to figure out what the hell is going on" and come up with a policy for a final solution to the Muslim problem.


    Trump has had 13 months and what policy has he figured out other than rewriting his temporary Muslim ban time and again that the Courts wisely shut down?
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