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Thread: Trump on immigration, big beautiful walls, etc

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    That BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL has hit a new price tag that is climbing faster than the stock market and now 300 miles shorter.

    DONALD TRUMP IS STILL SAYING MEXICO WILL PAY FOR HIS $18 BILLION WALL

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump...vidence-774170
    resident Donald Trump still insists he'll get Mexico to pay the $18 billion proposed cost for his "big and beautiful wall" along the U.S. southern border by renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement in favor of the United States, despite resistance from Mexico and, apparently, his own chief of staff.

    Trump reiterated his declaration Thursday on Twitter, after The Washington Post reported that Chief of Staff John Kelly said Trump’s immigration policies during the campaign were “uninformed" and that Mexico will never pay for the wall.
    "The Wall will be paid for, directly or indirectly, or through longer term reimbursement, by Mexico, which has a ridiculous $71 billion dollar trade surplus with the U.S. The $20 billion dollar Wall is “peanuts” compared to what Mexico makes from the U.S. NAFTA is a bad joke!" Trump tweeted.


    That early morning post on Thursday doubled down on Trump's comments last week that Mexico "will pay" for the wall "indirectly through NAFTA, okay?"
    Through NAFTA? So is Canada going to pay for half???

    Economists, however, dispute Trump’s claim that a better deal will yield money directly from the Mexican government to pay for the wall. Collecting higher tariffs on imports—if that’s Trump’s strategy—will only drive up the cost of goods and make production more expensive. Consumers and businesses, not the Mexican government, will pay more, Joshua Meltzer, a senior fellow for Global Economy and Development at The Brookings Institute, told Newsweek.

    "There’s no sort of obvious relationship where this is an indirect way of Mexico paying for the wall through renegotiating NAFTA," Meltzer said.
    In February 9, 2016, Trump stated that: Border wall will cost $8 billion
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politi...ion/index.html
    That was for 1,000 miles
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    There we go, clear as mud.


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    a very stable genius...
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    I don't think Donald can manage Connect 4, much less the 4-dimensional chess his supporters believe he's playing.

    Giving less of a damn than everÖ Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    He can't understand how one mole can be in so many places so fast.

    Robert Mueller Wack-a-Mole has stumped Trump
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    Amazing...

    The Republicans have the President, the House and the Senate yet cannot agree to pass a bill to prevent the shutdown. Last minute votes, three Republicans voted against it including Lindsey Graham have killed it.

    All this on the eve of Trump's first year. Looks like Trump won't be going to his $100,000 a plate party in Mar a Lago.

    When the government shuts down, the IRS shuts down and all those staff working on the implementation of the Yuge Tax Bill will stop work.

    Hey Trump! Getting tired of winning???? You are the best deal maker ever. You just bankrupted the country by not getting a budget passed. But you are an experienced businessman who has gone bankrupt many times before. Who will bail you out this time? Maybe call Russia.

    Sad...
    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 19-01-2018 at 09:47 PM.
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    The stupid thing about it is that he's doing it all out of spite for having his racist rant exposed by both Democrats and Republicans. Protection for the DREAMers is popular among voters of both parties but not his base so he can't bring himself to do something that the majority of Americans are in favour of.

    He really is his own worst enemy.

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    The Republicans also put children's healthcare into the bill as a way to force the Democrats to vote on it and then wanted to shelve the dreamers to some late date but paas the bill that includes funding for the wall. Since no one trusts Trump to keep his word, the Democrats refused to sell out.

    This is clearly on Trump because he is totally inept and a rotten deal maker when he cannot bully and bluster his demands on experienced law makers.

    Nobody is buying the Trump ********.
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    Besides, wasn't Mexico supposed to pay for the wall? I seem to recall him mentioning it once or twice.

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    No, he was going to have the dreamers build the wall with their own bare hands and then ship them out of the country.
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    Reports today that Trump is working hard this morning, writing a tweet, blaming Obama for today's government shutdown;


    #RealGenius Obama's deep blue state is to blame for wrecking my party today... sad




    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 20-01-2018 at 10:43 AM.
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    Is Trump out of his mind with the latest ad?

    He promised a DACA bill would be a bill of love.

    New Trump ad calls Democrats 'complicit' in all murders by illegal immigrants
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ers-by-illegal

    The Trump campaign released a new ad spot on Saturday calling Democrats "complicit" in all murders by immigrants in the country illegally, following the opposition of Democratic senators to a short-term spending bill, which resulted in a federal government shutdown on Friday.

    "President Trump is right — build the wall, deport criminals, stop illegal immigration now," the ad says, showing clips of Democratic Minority Leaders Sen. Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) and Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) "Democrats who stand in our way will be complicit in every murder committed by illegal immigrants."
    A new moral low from the Republicans
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    And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed with firearms championed by the NRA. By body count alone, the Republicans are guilty of many, many more murders then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed with firearms championed by the NRA. By body count alone, the Republicans are guilty of many, many more murders then.
    I donít think so. Regarding the accusations against the Democrats or the Republicans. Just more BS.

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    We interrupt this program for some historical quotes:





    As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

    [Adams submitted and signed the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797]
    John Adams..





    The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
    George Washington ...1796



    The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.

    [Letter objecting to the use of government land for churches, 1803]
    James Madison..




    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag...urch-and-state
    And modern opinion:


    The Founding Fathers, Deism, and Christianity | Britannica.com

    Although orthodox Christians participated at every stage of the new republic, Deism influenced a majority of the Founders. The movement opposed barriers to moral improvement and to social justice. It stood for rational inquiry, for skepticism about dogma and mystery, and for religious toleration. Many of its adherents advocated universal education, freedom of the press, and separation of church and state. If the nation owes much to the Judeo-Christian tradition, it is also indebted to Deism, a movement of reason and equality that influenced the Founding Fathers to embrace liberal political ideals remarkable for their time.
    David L. Holmes

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/The...ianity-1272214

    More:

    The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity
    https://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
    Last edited by KC; 20-01-2018 at 08:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed with firearms championed by the NRA. By body count alone, the Republicans are guilty of many, many more murders then.
    I don’t think so. Regarding the accusations against the Democrats or the Republicans. Just more BS.
    A better case can be made against the Republicans. What have they done in the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting, other than offering thoughts and prayers and shrugging their shoulders over bump stocks?

    Besides, I was just playing by The Donald's rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed with firearms championed by the NRA. By body count alone, the Republicans are guilty of many, many more murders then.
    I don’t think so. Regarding the accusations against the Democrats or the Republicans. Just more BS.
    A better case can be made against the Republicans. What have they done in the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting, other than offering thoughts and prayers and shrugging their shoulders over bump stocks?

    Besides, I was just playing by The Donald's rules.
    Fair enough. Anything very goes. Good luck on the spin.

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    In the White House today

    The White House released pictures of Trump and the White House staff laughing and smiling as millions of Americans are about be harmed by the Trump Shutdown.Here are the pictures from The White House as provided to PoliticusUSA:Trump tries to sell more hats, while on the phone:


    White House Releases Pictures Of Trump Laughing And Smiling During Government Shutdown
    http://www.politicususa.com/2018/01/...-shutdown.html
    What is the White House laughing about?

    They just unleashed a crisis of their own making. Now is not the time for laughter.


    Notice that in none of the pictures is Trump in a meeting with Congressional leadership to end the shutdown. Donald Trump is “working,” and by working the White House means roaming around, talking on the phone, and laughing it up with staff. Trump is just hanging out and waiting for the shutdown to end. It’s like he isn’t even president.

    Never in modern presidential history has an administration tried to release photographic evidence to prove that their president is working during a crisis. However, the Trump administration couldn’t even get their propaganda right as none of the photos show Trump doing anything to resolve the shutdown.


    The photos are proof that Trump is enjoying the government shutdown that he caused.
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