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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Wirathu calls himself the 'Burmese Bin Laden'. He is a Buddhist monk who is stoking religious hatred across Burma. His paranoia and fear, muddled with racist stereotypes and unfounded rumours, have helped to incite violence and spread misinformation in a nation still stumbling towards democracy.
    Oh please. Accused of "stoking religious hatred"? For what- telling the truth?

    He is only being attacked by this left-leaning media outlet because he is speaking openly and honestly against the brutal and violent ideology of Islam. He is simply being smeared not being politically correct. What he says in the video I posted is completely true.

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    Here’s a question I’m no where qualified to even hazard a guess: are all ‘religions’ equally tolerant of all other religions and if not, which religions are more and which are less tolerant of what others?



    So I googled the issue and found this Wikipedia article which I don’t think comes close to discussing the topic. In fact most of the article is about countries and laws related to religious tolerance and it immediately addresses the issue in terms of people and groups of people and not the tolerance and intolerance issues within the religions themselves.

    So based on the definition below, I’m not looking at “religious intolerance” but something else. Maybe it’s each religions prescribed actions or inactions towards the followers of other religions.


    Religious intolerance - Wikipedia

    “Religious intolerance is intolerance against another's religious beliefs or practices or lack thereof.

    Definition

    The mere statement on the part of a religion that its own beliefs and practices are correct and any contrary beliefs are incorrect does not in itself constitute intolerance (i.e., ideological intolerance).

    Religious intolerance, rather, is when a group (e.g., a society, religious group, non-religious group) specifically refuses to tolerate practices, persons or beliefs on religious grounds. ...”


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_intolerance

    Here something that conceptually is closer to addressing my question but is completely one sided and knot looking at all major religions and scriptures etc relating to other religions:
    Islam and other religions - Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_other_religions






    Religious tolerance in the Bible

    “The word "tolerance" does not occur in the Bible. At least, it does not appear in three common English translations: King James Version, New King James, American Standard Version, New International Bible, and English Standard Version.

    There are very few Biblical passages that promote tolerance, in comparison with its many instances of religious intolerance.

    We could only find one reference in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) - and it was a vague prophecy about religious peace, at some undefined time in the future. There are only a handful of examples in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament). Most of them deal only with tolerance by one Christian to another.

    An overall theme of the Bible is religious exclusivity and intolerance. Particularly in the Hebrew Scriptures, it often calls for the oppression of women, followers of other religions, and sexual minorities, as well as genocide and mass murder of "others." “


    http://www.religioustolerance.org/tol_bibl.htm

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    You can find intolerance of various religions in all faiths. When I lived in las Vegas, the was a large Mormon population there due to the proximity of Utah. One guy I worked with was one of the nicest, most tolerant people you'd ever meet. Very devout to his faith and yet very welcoming and open to everyone. As a matter of fact, there was a picture of him, his wife and his six (!) kids walking in a pride parade at a time when the church was not welcoming at all to gay people.

    On the other hand, another guy I worked with referred to Catholics as heritics, the pope as the Anti-Christ and the church itself as the "whore of babylon". And was quite polite about it, not realizing how he sounded to others.

    Both attended the same Mormon temple. Heard the same sermons. Turned out very different.

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    Wonder why Trump isn't on Twitter screaming about borders and vetting? Because this is the guy that just killed 27 people in a church in Texas.

    Devin Patrick Kelley ID’d as Sutherland Springs Church Killer
    Posted assault rifle on Facebook, captioned: ‘She's a bad *****.’


    A LinkedIn account appearing to belong to Kelley describes him as serving in the U.S. Air Force from his 2009 high-school graduation until 2013, after which he briefly taught at a summer Bible school. On a now-deleted Facebook account, Kelley recently displayed an AR-15 style gun, ABC News reports.




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    I realize that your prejudice runs so deep that you assume that he is a neo-Nazi because he is "white", but that Texas church shooter's facebook showed he is a far left radical atheist nutcase who was dishonorably discharged from the military for assaulting his own wife and child. The church he shot up was attended by his ex and his ex in-laws. By law he also wasn't allowed to own gun or ammo. The shooter was total scum, but had nothing at all to do with Trump or conservatism:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/485181...evin-kelley-2/



    But yesterday, Senator Rand Paul was severely injured in his home by a violent left-winger yesterday. The attacker almost took his life: https://archive.fo/GwYnx

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I realize that your prejudice runs so deep that you assume that he is a neo-Nazi because he is "white", but that Texas church shooter's facebook showed he is a far left radical atheist nutcase who was dishonorably discharged from the military for assaulting his own wife and child. The church he shot up was attended by his ex and his ex in-laws. By law he also wasn't allowed to own gun or ammo. The shooter was total scum, but had nothing at all to do with Trump or conservatism:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/485181...evin-kelley-2/



    But yesterday, Senator Rand Paul was severely injured in his home by a violent left-winger yesterday. The attacker almost took his life: https://archive.fo/GwYnx
    However if he taught bible school wouldn’t that mean he’d have to be labelled a “christian extremist”



    As for Rand. Love your narrow minded spin. Hilarious. You left out that they are neighbours, both doctors, the guy was an inventor and so possibly an entrepreneur apparently can’t work due to an injury, etc. And you honed in on the statement that he was the opposite of Rand in every way. (Rand being a government employee disguising himself as anything but ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I realize that your prejudice runs so deep that you assume that he is a neo-Nazi because he is "white", but that Texas church shooter's facebook showed he is a far left radical atheist nutcase who was dishonorably discharged from the military for assaulting his own wife and child. The church he shot up was attended by his ex and his ex in-laws. By law he also wasn't allowed to own gun or ammo. The shooter was total scum, but had nothing at all to do with Trump or conservatism:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/485181...evin-kelley-2/



    But yesterday, Senator Rand Paul was severely injured in his home by a violent left-winger yesterday. The attacker almost took his life: https://archive.fo/GwYnx
    ^Bolding is mine


    Actually YOU Mr.Nazi are the one that is pre-judging kkozoriz. Did kkozoriz state that the Texas murder was a neo-Nazi or refer to him as white? No, you jumped out in front with a passive aggressive, preemptive attack to defend yourself from your untenable Alt-Reich views.
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    ^well, at least we can all agree, the good news is a guy driving by, shot back with his Rifle and gave chase. It could have been a lot worse, who knows where he was headed next. Its just a shame nobody in the Church was armed and able to fire back.

    SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas -- Witnesses say the gunman who killed at least 26 people inside a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, fled the scene after a resident began firing shots at him, CBS affiliate KENS-TV reports.

    A neighbor described the resident as the "nicest man on the planet." He said the resident grabbed his rifle then engaged the suspect as he exited the First Baptist Church on Sunday.

    State officials said in a news conference Sunday night that the suspect dropped his AR-15 style rifle and fled the church as the resident chased him.

    The suspect crashed his vehicle as law enforcement responded. Authorities found him dead inside the vehicle, but said it's unclear whether he shot himself or was shot by the resident.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-c...rland-springs/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post

    Actually YOU Mr.Nazi are the one that is pre-judging kkozoriz. Did kkozoriz state that the Texas murder was a neo-Nazi or refer to him as white? No, you jumped out in front with a passive aggressive, preemptive attack to defend yourself from your untenable Alt-Reich views.
    And here is more name-calling and "piling on" by the lefties in an attempt to make me stop posting facts they don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^well, at least we can all agree, the good news is a guy driving by, shot back with his Rifle and gave chase. It could have been a lot worse, who knows where he was headed next. Its just a shame nobody in the Church was armed and able to fire back.

    SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas -- Witnesses say the gunman who killed at least 26 people inside a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, fled the scene after a resident began firing shots at him, CBS affiliate KENS-TV reports.

    A neighbor described the resident as the "nicest man on the planet." He said the resident grabbed his rifle then engaged the suspect as he exited the First Baptist Church on Sunday.

    State officials said in a news conference Sunday night that the suspect dropped his AR-15 style rifle and fled the church as the resident chased him.

    The suspect crashed his vehicle as law enforcement responded. Authorities found him dead inside the vehicle, but said it's unclear whether he shot himself or was shot by the resident.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-c...rland-springs/
    No one in the church was armed?

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    OPINION: More lone-wolf attacks by non-Muslims | Toronto Sun

    http://torontosun.com/opinion/column...by-non-muslims

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^well, at least we can all agree, the good news is a guy driving by, shot back with his Rifle and gave chase. It could have been a lot worse, who knows where he was headed next. Its just a shame nobody in the Church was armed and able to fire back.

    SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas -- Witnesses say the gunman who killed at least 26 people inside a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, fled the scene after a resident began firing shots at him, CBS affiliate KENS-TV reports.

    A neighbor described the resident as the "nicest man on the planet." He said the resident grabbed his rifle then engaged the suspect as he exited the First Baptist Church on Sunday.

    State officials said in a news conference Sunday night that the suspect dropped his AR-15 style rifle and fled the church as the resident chased him.

    The suspect crashed his vehicle as law enforcement responded. Authorities found him dead inside the vehicle, but said it's unclear whether he shot himself or was shot by the resident.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-c...rland-springs/
    No one in the church was armed?
    In Texas, guns are a religion, they worship them.

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    Note the beard. Beard + bible school teacher / christian extremist = terrorist, right? Oh, sorry, no, because he lacks darker skin.


    Texas gunman Devin Kelley had Sutherland Springs church connection, assaulted spouse: Report | Toronto Sun

    http://torontosun.com/news/world/tex...nection-report





    https://www.10tv.com/sites/10tv.com/...0mug%20CBS.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post

    Actually YOU Mr.Nazi are the one that is pre-judging kkozoriz. Did kkozoriz state that the Texas murder was a neo-Nazi or refer to him as white? No, you jumped out in front with a passive aggressive, preemptive attack to defend yourself from your untenable Alt-Reich views.
    And here is more name-calling and "piling on" by the lefties in an attempt to make me stop posting facts they don't like.
    You stated that the murderer was "a far left radical atheist nutcase" Where is your source that he was a leftist?

    TEXAS SHOOTING: US FAR-RIGHT TRY TO SPREAD CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT MOTIVE BEHIND CHURCH MURDERS
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a8039611.html

    https://www.snopes.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/
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    ^^he might be a terrorist, it will depend on whether or not his actions were to further a political or social goal. If he was holding an IRA flag, or similar, it would be clear, but he wasn't, so we will have to wait and see. If was just "FU world", though, then, by common English definition, its a massacre. Its no better or worse, its just a different term for a different type of killing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^well, at least we can all agree, the good news is a guy driving by, shot back with his Rifle and gave chase. It could have been a lot worse, who knows where he was headed next. Its just a shame nobody in the Church was armed and able to fire back.
    SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas -- Witnesses say the gunman who killed at least 26 people inside a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, fled the scene after a resident began firing shots at him, CBS affiliate KENS-TV reports.A neighbor described the resident as the "nicest man on the planet." He said the resident grabbed his rifle then engaged the suspect as he exited the First Baptist Church on Sunday.State officials said in a news conference Sunday night that the suspect dropped his AR-15 style rifle and fled the church as the resident chased him.The suspect crashed his vehicle as law enforcement responded. Authorities found him dead inside the vehicle, but said it's unclear whether he shot himself or was shot by the resident.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-c...rland-springs/
    No one in the church was armed?
    In Texas, guns are a religion, they worship them.
    Some dream of a world where everyone is armed to the teeth ready to take on "bandits" and other characters of "questionable intent." Good ol' western style society and justice. Welcome to Texas and Southern US States.

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    ^Its pretty fun on Red Dead Redemption.

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    You can tell he's not a terrorist because Trump hasn't been screaming about extreme vetting and secure borders after this one.

    Let's see, Bad Conduct discharge, not dishonourable discharge. One difference is that a bad conduct discharge doesn't prevent you from owning guns. And hey, it was just assault against his wife and kid. No red flags there, right? And he's a former Bible school teacher. So, of course, those on the alt-right immediately try and tar him with the "recently converted to Islam" and "He's antifa" smears with nothing at all to back it up.

    But, nothing will change in America because of this. They've already decided that the almost daily mass killings don't warrant actually doing anything about it. A mass shooting is defined as four or more people killed or wounded in a single location, not counting any attackers. There have been 307 of them so far this year. The day of the shooting was the 309th day of the year. Basically, one a day. And that's not counting the thousands of shootings that don't reach the level of "mass shooting".

    Meanwhile, Trump is telling the Japanese that they need more guns.

    Trump urges people to arm themselves to protect against gun violence — which is nearly nonexistent in Japan

    Still, President Donald Trump encourages people to look to guns as a means of protection. In a speech Monday, Trump called the Texas shooting a “mental health problem” not a “guns problem.” But Japan has almost eradicated gun crime in the country by putting requirements on gun sales that are similar to driver’s tests.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/tru...y-nonexistent/
    And the Edmonton area's newest MP, Dane Lloyd (CPC), pretty much agrees with him. Oh sure, he says his view have changed but have they really?

    Dane Lloyd, Federal Tory Candidate, Once Tried To Start A Canadian NRA 'Movement'



    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/10...nt_a_23239221/

    Notice that he''s not talking about guns used for hunting or even self-defense. He's talking about using them against the government. That's you and me

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    The gunmen sounds unhinged. Just goes to show,you can get a gun if you want one, because he wasn't allowed to have a gun!
    God I hate guns.

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    No, he was allowed to have guns. He had a "bad conduct discharge", not a "dishonourable discharge". One difference is that a bad conduct doesn't affect your ability to buy guns.

    And, in one of his first actions as president, Trump revoked an Obama Executive Order that prevented people judged incompetent to handle their own affairs from buying or owning guns. And as far as "It's a mental health issue", the GOP/Trump health plans have all allowed insurance companies to drop mental health treatment from their plans and cuts funding for publicly funded treatemts.


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    They said he had applied for a gun license, and had been turned down

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8040331.html

    So you're wrong, he wasn't supposed to be able to have a gun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    They said he had applied for a gun license, and had been turned down

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8040331.html

    So you're wrong, he wasn't supposed to be able to have a gun!
    And yet he was able to purchase one at a retail store. Gee, I wonder if maybe that's something that could be addressed by regulation?

    Nah.

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    That's new. Hadn't seen that. Thanks for the link. However, it still didn't stop him from getting one (or many) because of the great availability of guns and the "gun show loophole" where private sellers don't have to do background checks as long as they don't exceed a certain level of sales, basically "non-commercial".

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    In Texas you can openly carry a handgun but churches can ask you not to bring them to church. Maybe the church in Sutherland Springs did not allow it's congregation to be packing hence why no one shot back.


    http://txb.life/article/guns-in-the-...ight-to-choose
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    Well, I guess we know where MrOilers was getting his misinformation from: https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...roblem/545024/

    After a horrifying mass shooting, searching for the shooter’s name on Google surfaced an editor of the conspiracy site InfoWars, Julian Assange claiming the shooter had converted to Islam, and a “news” Twitter feed that’s tweeted a few dozen times since it was created last month.

    All of these links appeared high up in the search results, just below the “Top Stories” modules in the “Trending on Twitter” box. To Google’s credit, as the hours have gone by, the less-reliable information has been replaced by reputable sites doing actual journalism.

    But the damage has been done. Despite the lack of any real evidence about the ideology behind the attack, a search for the shooter’s name now suggests you might want to append “antifa” to your search.

    And when you do that, you get a mix of the Russian-backed news organization RT, small conservative sites, YouTube videos purporting to prove Devin Patrick Kelley was an anti-fascist, and a few debunks.
    Not that we should be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    In Texas you can openly carry a handgun but churches can ask you not to bring them to church. Maybe the church in Sutherland Springs did not allow it's congregation to be packing hence why no one shot back.


    http://txb.life/article/guns-in-the-...ight-to-choose
    They said someone outside shot him, and then someone inside the church did..conflicting reports

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    ^Conflicting reports, shot and killed twice. Who knew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    In Texas you can openly carry a handgun but churches can ask you not to bring them to church. Maybe the church in Sutherland Springs did not allow it's congregation to be packing hence why no one shot back.


    http://txb.life/article/guns-in-the-...ight-to-choose
    Jesus never carried a gun, why should Christians in Church?

    BTW He did not carry a sword either...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    ^Conflicting reports, shot and killed twice. Who knew.
    They didnt say he was killed,just that someone outside stopped him from reloading, and he took off

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    See, the shooter was just doing God's will. It is as it is supposed to be. So if you stopped him, you'd be going against God. Or something...

    So was God answering the prayers of the people that died on 9/11? What about the civilians that die in the allied bombing campaigns? Or don't they count because they're Muslims and God only cares about Christians? Ir does he only care about Muslims? Or does he not care about anyone because he really doesn't exist?

    Conservative writer: God was ‘answering prayers’ of Texas victims by letting them get shot

    “It may seem, on the surface, that God was refusing to give such protection to his Texan children,” he writes. “But we are also praying that God would deliver us from evil eternally. Through these same words, we are asking God to deliver us out of this evil world and into his heavenly glory, where no violence, persecution, cruelty, or hatred will ever afflict us again.”


    Fiene then says that, in order to fully defeat evil eternally, God has to let evil get some temporary victories, such as this weekend’s mass shooting.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/con...them-get-shot/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Well, I guess we know where MrOilers was getting his misinformation from: https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...roblem/545024/
    No, I don't read The Atlantic. It's not a reputable site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    No, I don't read The Atlantic. It's not a reputable site.
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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    Glad someone got the joke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Glad someone got the joke!
    You're the joke that never ends, keeps on giving & giving.
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    Noodle, to clarify, MrNazi cannot read period.
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    Look how "progressive" they are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Well, I guess we know where MrOilers was getting his misinformation from: https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...roblem/545024/

    After a horrifying mass shooting, searching for the shooter’s name on Google surfaced an editor of the conspiracy site InfoWars, Julian Assange claiming the shooter had converted to Islam, and a “news” Twitter feed that’s tweeted a few dozen times since it was created last month.

    All of these links appeared high up in the search results, just below the “Top Stories” modules in the “Trending on Twitter” box. To Google’s credit, as the hours have gone by, the less-reliable information has been replaced by reputable sites doing actual journalism.

    But the damage has been done. Despite the lack of any real evidence about the ideology behind the attack, a search for the shooter’s name now suggests you might want to append “antifa” to your search.

    And when you do that, you get a mix of the Russian-backed news organization RT, small conservative sites, YouTube videos purporting to prove Devin Patrick Kelley was an anti-fascist, and a few debunks.
    Not that we should be surprised.

    Back to this article, the writer is correct. You do an internet search for Antifa, and you get a lot of videos and photos posted by citizens who have captured violent acts and assaults by Antifa punks. You also get a trove of Twitter and facebook accounts of people claiming to be Antifa, calling for violence against people with conservative views.

    Now ask yourself - why do mainstream media outlets deliberately ignore Antifa violence? And not only do they ignore it, they won't even mention episodes of political violence of the left-wing. Why is that? They broadcast and stir up a panic whenever a right-winger commits violence, but are completely silent when it comes from the left. Every time.

    No wonder people mistrust them so much, and no wonder people are going to other independent sites and ignore mainstream ones when they want to learn something.

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    "Why is mainstream media ignoring this trumped-up (pun intended), manufactured plot designed to distract them from actual events transpiring in the world?"
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    "Manufactured plot"? History proves that left has caused violent riots on inauguration of every Republican president since Nixon (never riots that day when Democrats are elected President), and you think that today's political violence from the left is "manufactured"?

    And you lefties accuse others of being conspiracy theorists?

    WOW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post

    As for Rand. Love your narrow minded spin.
    How is calling that assault political violence from the left, "narrow-minded"? What I said is factually true. The attacker is a registered Democrat and assaulted Rand Paul in his home: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...aul/834216001/

    Newer reports tell us that Rand Paul's injuries from the attack were potentially life-threatening, and caused by someone on the left.

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    Right wing nutters like you are far more dangerous than the antifa boogeyman you're trying to peddle.



    https://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhou...lO4#.npQXV7jzO
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    Look at all those peaceful Muslims!

    No wonder the progressive left panders to them so much!

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    I think we should ban marriage since it seems to have been the root cause of the incident:

    SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas - The gunman who opened fire in a small Texas church, killing 26 people during worship services, sent threatening text messages to his mother-in-law before the attack and had been confronted about domestic violence at least twice in the last five years, authorities said Monday.

    The deadliest mass shooting in state history claimed multiple members of some families, with the dead ranging from 18 months to 77 years old, and tore gaping holes in a town with a population of just 400 people.

    The massacre appeared to stem from a domestic situation and was not religiously motivated, Texas Department of Public Safety Regional Director Freeman Martin said.


    Based on evidence at the scene, investigators believe Devin Patrick Kelley died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound after he was chased by armed bystanders and crashed his car.
    http://www.kelownadailycourier.ca/ne...41849a05b.html
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    Is a transparent deflection onto muslims really the best you can muster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    In Texas you can openly carry a handgun but churches can ask you not to bring them to church. Maybe the church in Sutherland Springs did not allow it's congregation to be packing hence why no one shot back.


    http://txb.life/article/guns-in-the-...ight-to-choose
    Jesus never carried a gun, why should Christians in Church?

    BTW He did not carry a sword either...
    ..........and?. They advertise soap detergent on city buses but they don't do laundry.
    What's the point of this post?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Is a transparent deflection onto muslims really the best you can muster?
    Well you posted info that included the 9/11 and Pentagon attacks which overwhelms the charts.

    Since 9/11 was a turning point and various laws were put in place and heightened security and interception of attacks, post 9/11 data is more salient. To that end, right wing extremism is an often ignored issue. Studies show that attacks by Muslims receive 4 to 5 times the press coverage than right wing attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I realize that your prejudice runs so deep that you assume that he is a neo-Nazi because he is "white", but that Texas church shooter's facebook showed he is a far left radical atheist nutcase who was dishonorably discharged from the military for assaulting his own wife and child. The church he shot up was attended by his ex and his ex in-laws. By law he also wasn't allowed to own gun or ammo. The shooter was total scum, but had nothing at all to do with Trump or conservatism:
    That is a LOT of fake news. I thought you hated that? Source that he's an atheist far left radical? Whatever that is. Also, he had a bad conduct discharge, not dishonourable. He wasn't entered in the National Criminal Information Center database and because of that he was able to legally buy and own a fire arm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    Also, he had a bad conduct discharge, not dishonourable.
    You are definitely correct here. My mistake.


    And this time around, it is starting to appear that this shooting was less about "gun control" less about "mental illness", and less about other "reasons" thrown around whenever there is a massacre, and mostly this incident is a failure to enforce existing law and a failure to communicate between agencies of the government.
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    Gosh, whatever could be the source of the idea that the shooter was far left atheist? Let's see, shall we? Ah yes, what is considered "reputable news" by the alt-right

    TEXAS SHOOTER LIKED ATHEIST FB PAGES & SJW CAUSES
    Also was a fan of CNN
    Infowars.com - NOVEMBER 5, 2017

    https://www.infowars.com/texas-shoot...es-sjw-causes/

    Of course, this is the same site that claimed last week that Hitler was still alive.

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    Hitler is still alive?

    Damn.

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    Even if the Texas shooter had been added to the FBI database, it wouldn't have prevented him from buying guns.

    Two senators will try to close the loophole that allowed the Texas shooter to purchase a gun

    In Kelley’s case, the Air Force has admitted that his base never put his conviction into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NCIS), but the problem is much more widespread.


    Even if the base had put his conviction into the system, it wouldn’t have stopped Kelley from purchasing and possessing guns, because, as Flake’s office told CNN, military courts don’t have a domestic violence charge they add to NCIS. Rather, they label the convictions as assaults, and assault convictions don’t prevent someone from purchasing or possessing a firearm.

    https://thinkprogress.org/flake-loop...-7a414ce4d055/

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    Trump calls Texas shooting "A mental health issue", parroting the NRA line. Scientists and doctors disagree.

    Trump called the shooting in Texas a 'mental-health issue’ — but scientific evidence says otherwise

    As many as one in five US adults suffer from some sort of mental illness, according to the National Alliance on Mental Illness. Those rates are relatively on-par with the rest of the world, yet Americans are ten times more likely to die at the barrel of a gun than people in other rich countries.


    A plethora of recent findings show that mental health patients aren't any more violent than their peers. A 2006 study in the American Journal of Psychiatry revealed that people with severe mental illness commit about one out of every 20 violent crimes. Other studies have shown only about 4% of violence in America it is attributable to mental illness, and that most mentally ill people are never violent. The research on guns and mentally ill patients bears this out, too: Only 1% of discharged psychiatric patients commit violence against strangers using a gun.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/texas...prings-2017-11

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    Trump states that if the murderer was not stopped, hundreds more would have died.

    President Trump said that even with tighter vetting of gun buyers, "there would have been no difference" for those killed in the mass shooting at a South Texas church on Sunday.

    Trump made the comments during a news conference in Seoul with South Korean President Moon Jae-in in response to a question about why his promised “extreme vetting” for visa applicants shouldn’t also be applied to gun purchases.


    "If you did what you're suggesting, there would have been no difference three days ago, and you might not have had that very brave person who happened to have a gun in his truck and shoot him, and hit him and neutralize him," Trump said, referring to a neighbor who chased down the gunman.


    "Instead of having 26 dead, he would've had hundreds more dead," he said.


    Trump seemed to chafe at being asked about gun policy so soon after the deadly rampage that killed 26 people on Sunday and appeared annoyed the topic was brought up while he was in South Korea building tougher measures against the North Korean nuclear program.
    http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html

    Hundreds more??? The normal Church congregation was about 50 people. 26 were killed and 20 more injured. Where the fucrk does Trump make up these rediculous hyperbole statements that hundreds more would have died? Opps, I forgot, the NRA and the massive gun making industry lobby groups.
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    This also doesn't really help his point either. He can say whatever he wants but his actions speak very differently.

    Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

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    Where did you find the flow chart? Trump's desk?
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    Here is a great summary of what Barack Obama believes about illegal immigrants (spoiler - he agrees 100% with Donald Trump):

    https://streamable.com/9salq

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    Will this president ever focus on being president and doing presidential things?? His first partial year has been focused on Obama and Hillary, and those two people should be the least of your concerns post election. Start actually being the president, a respectful one at that.

    I know, tall order for man-child that has spent his entire life acting like a bully and name calling anyone who disagrees with him.

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    If Hillary quietly went away after her loss instead of going on book tours and publicly speaking & tweeting against Trump maybe he would have moved on as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    ...acting like a bully and name calling anyone who disagrees with him.


    Come on...

    a day doesn't go by where the left-leaners on this forum (that includes yourself) don't do this to people.

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    and a day doesn't go by where MrAlt-Reich does not post fake news and bullsh1t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    If Hillary quietly went away after her loss instead of going on book tours and publicly speaking & tweeting against Trump maybe he would have moved on as well.
    well if it's the twittersphere you want to measure:

    hillary has tweeted a total of 9,975 times for an average of 2 per day and 32 in the last 30..

    @realDonaldTrump has tweeted a total of 36,377 for an average of 7 per day and 280 in the last 30.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    and a day doesn't go by where MrAlt-Reich does not post fake news and bullsh1t.
    For someone who thinks he is better than Donald Trump, you do an incredibly poor job of elevating yourself above the things you attack him for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    If Hillary quietly went away after her loss instead of going on book tours and publicly speaking & tweeting against Trump maybe he would have moved on as well.
    well if it's the twittersphere you want to measure:

    hillary has tweeted a total of 9,975 times for an average of 2 per day and 32 in the last 30..

    @realDonaldTrump has tweeted a total of 36,377 for an average of 7 per day and 280 in the last 30.
    Yeah, Trump uses Twitter a lot. Pretty much all politicians use Twitter and social media nowadays.

    My point is, although Trump has attacked Hillary over the past year, Hillary Clinton has been openly criticizing Trump (including on social media) since he has become President. It's kind of back-and-forth. It seems very bizarre, because I don't remember any ex-Presidents having to constantly put up with an ex-opponent publicly attacking them after an election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Yeah, Trump uses Twitter a lot. Pretty much all politicians use Twitter and social media nowadays.

    My point is, although Trump has attacked Hillary over the past year, Hillary Clinton has been openly criticizing Trump (including on social media) since he has become President. It seems very bizarre, because I don't remember any ex-Presidents having to constantly put up with an ex-opponent publicly attacking them after an election.
    Strange response from you. I did not know that Hillary Clinton has been attacking any ex-Presidents as you describe unless she has attached her husband. Which ex-President are you referring to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    If Hillary quietly went away after her loss instead of going on book tours and publicly speaking & tweeting against Trump maybe he would have moved on as well.
    well if it's the twittersphere you want to measure:

    hillary has tweeted a total of 9,975 times for an average of 2 per day and 32 in the last 30..

    @realDonaldTrump has tweeted a total of 36,377 for an average of 7 per day and 280 in the last 30.
    Yeah, Trump uses Twitter a lot. Pretty much all politicians use Twitter and social media nowadays.

    My point is, although Trump has attacked Hillary over the past year, Hillary Clinton has been openly criticizing Trump (including on social media) since he has become President. It's kind of back-and-forth. It seems very bizarre, because I don't remember any ex-Presidents having to constantly put up with an ex-opponent publicly attacking them after an election.
    Really?
    Maybe not on twitter, but Al Gore, Bob Dole, John McCain, and others have remained in partisan politics after losing a presidential bid. Did I miss where Sarah Palin stopped being loudly critical of Obama after losing as vice pres?
    There can only be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    If Hillary quietly went away after her loss instead of going on book tours and publicly speaking & tweeting against Trump maybe he would have moved on as well.
    well if it's the twittersphere you want to measure:

    hillary has tweeted a total of 9,975 times for an average of 2 per day and 32 in the last 30..

    @realDonaldTrump has tweeted a total of 36,377 for an average of 7 per day and 280 in the last 30.
    Yeah, Trump uses Twitter a lot. Pretty much all politicians use Twitter and social media nowadays.

    My point is, although Trump has attacked Hillary over the past year, Hillary Clinton has been openly criticizing Trump (including on social media) since he has become President. It's kind of back-and-forth. It seems very bizarre, because I don't remember any ex-Presidents having to constantly put up with an ex-opponent publicly attacking them after an election.
    Really?
    Maybe not on twitter, but Al Gore, Bob Dole, John McCain, and others have remained in partisan politics after losing a presidential bid. Did I miss where Sarah Palin stopped being loudly critical of Obama after losing as vice pres?
    They all continued to do their jobs they were elected to do.

    But did any of those people write books bashing their opponent and go on a book tour immediately after losing? Hillary Clinton did.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_Rogue

    You have a Trump-caliber memory, MrOilers.
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    I'm sorry - I must have missed the election where Sarah Palin ran for President. My mistake.

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    Actually, most politicians don't use social media directly. They have a PR person for that, especially someone at the president level. And that PR person isn't just recycling what they heard on fox and friends 15 minutes ago.

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    whataboutism is strong with MrOilers

    What ever someone else has done, or is doing, or will do doesn't make what ever Trump is doing right.

    If someone killed a person, the lawyer defending that person doesn't go "Well, what about Charles Manson"


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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    C2e poster: Trump's campaign colluded with Russia.

    MrOilers: What about hillary's emails?


    classic whataboutism

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    Projectionism is strong with the left.

    Psychological projection is a phenomenon in which humans defend themselves by denying the existence of qualities in themselves while attributing them to others.

    If someone calls someone insulting names, they simply say "________ is an awful person because they call other people insulting names!"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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    Left-winger: "You are an ignorant, ********, moronic f***ing *****!"

    Same Left-winger: "You are an awful person for calling others names all the time!"

    Classic projectionism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I'm sorry - I must have missed the election where Sarah Palin ran for President. My mistake.
    She was listed in the post you replied "But did any of those people write books bashing their opponent and go on a book tour immediately after losing?" to.


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    nice deflection MrOilers. You've studied Trump and his campaign tactics well.

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    "You're all a bunch of name-callers" says the man who uses "left" as a pejorative without a hint of self-awareness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    nice deflection MrOilers. You've studied Trump and his campaign tactics well.
    I hope so. After all, he IS a genius.

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    All the personal insults and attempts at public shaming today in an effort to try and get me to stop posting things that you disagree with is another great example of the tactic of "public piling-on" commonly practiced in communist countries.

    Notice how *I* am being attacked instead of what I am saying?

    That is socialism, everyone. Never let bullies on the left intimidate you from saying things that make them uncomfortable.

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    No, we just want you to stop lying. If you post the truth, we will get off your back. Continue lying, we will ride you out of town on a rail.Your choice...
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    Every fact that makes you uncomfortable is just a "lie" to you. And you respond by insults, name-calling, and piling-on.

    The political left will never change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Every fact that makes you uncomfortable is just a "lie" to you. And you respond by insults, name-calling, and piling-on.

    The political left will never change.
    you do know that calling everyone who doesn't happen to agree with you on everything "the political left" as some sort of pejorative doesn't really support your having arrived at your positions in a completely rational manner don't you?

    personally, i for one never thought i would live long enough to be called "politically left".
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Every fact that makes you uncomfortable is just a "lie" to you. And you respond by insults, name-calling, and piling-on.

    The political left will never change.
    No, you knowingly outright lie, then posters prove you wrong and then you go about gleefully reposting lies. You are a flame baiting troll.

    Blaming others and your denials are just part of your mind games.

    We repeat, we just want you to stop lying. If you post the truth, we will get off your back. Continue lying, we will ride you out of town on a rail. Your choice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    you do know that calling everyone who doesn't happen to agree with you on everything "the political left" as some sort of pejorative doesn't really support your having arrived at your positions in a completely rational manner don't you?
    What else am I supposed to call them, Ken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    You are a flame baiting troll.
    I call you out for name-calling and your response is just more name-calling. Wow.

    You REALLY cannot help yourself from doing that, can you?

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    If it quacks like a duck...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    personally, i for one never thought i would live long enough to be called "politically left".
    And I never thought I would live long enough to be called "racist", "bigot", "Nazi", "white supremacist", etc. (which is absolutely hilarious if people calling me those names knew my wife's ancestry - she thinks it is!)

    But that's just the way the far left has been pushing political discussion over the last decade or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    personally, i for one never thought i would live long enough to be called "politically left".
    And I never thought I would live long enough to be called "racist", "bigot", "Nazi", "white supremacist", etc. (which is absolutely hilarious if people calling me those names knew my wife's ancestry - she thinks it is!)

    But that's just the way the far left has been pushing political discussion over the last decade or so.


    People simply need to be more specific in their fears and better at explaining those fears. Being anti-immigrant or anti-refugee or anti- this or that group of religious, political or whatever ideological followers naturally can be generalized as bigoted*or racist*. Near any opposition can ultimately be grossly generalized as Nazi or Communist or both at the same time.

    Their “fear of the day” approach to simply resisting some thing or the other (accepting women’s attire, terrorists hiding among refugees, etc) also needs to be broadened to reflect and explain one’s relative values among often competing and opposing values.


    * some of the people that refuse to try to question to fully understand others’ specific fears, resistance, point of view, or of contention, etc also frequently commit the same offence that they are accusing the others of - of placing individuals different than themselves in tidy little grossly unfair negatively characterized and generalized boxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    personally, i for one never thought i would live long enough to be called "politically left".
    And I never thought I would live long enough to be called "racist", "bigot", "Nazi", "white supremacist", etc. (which is absolutely hilarious if people calling me those names knew my wife's ancestry - she thinks it is!)

    But that's just the way the far left has been pushing political discussion over the last decade or so.


    People simply need to be more specific in their fears and better at explaining those fears. Being anti-immigrant or anti-refugee or anti- this or that group of religious, political or whatever ideological followers naturally can be generalized as bigoted*or racist*. Near any opposition can ultimately be grossly generalized as Nazi or Communist or both at the same time.

    Their “fear of the day” approach to simply resisting some thing or the other (accepting women’s attire, terrorists hiding among refugees, etc) also needs to be broadened to reflect and explain one’s relative values among often competing and opposing values.


    * some of the people that refuse to try to question to fully understand others’ specific fears, resistance, point of view, or of contention, etc also frequently commit the same offence that they are accusing the others of - of placing individuals different than themselves in tidy little grossly unfair negatively characterized and generalized boxes.
    The fears are irrational, so people have a hard time explaining them. I think there is some subliminal thing that makes some people really fear people who look or act different from them - the herd values conformity. Nazi's and communists were very different ideologies, but both were totalitarian and tried to control and make people think/act the same.

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    Oh look, another Muslim terrorist. Oh wait, it's actually another white male gunman, so "mental health issues"

    California gunman who was shot dead after ramming through school gates at end of drive-by rampage that saw him kill four and injure ten - including boy who was hit by bullet through classroom window




    He began his rampage near his home on Bobcat Lane in the Rancho Tehama Reserve at 7.52am, shooting people at random before stealing a truck and performing drive-bys on homes, pedestrians and other drivers.
    Neal eventually arrived at the Rancho Tehama Elementary School and smashed through its gates before firing as many as 100 bullets through windows and walls, hitting one child, and trying to enter classrooms. He then fled, and was shot dead by police near the property.






    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4yVGlj59z


    In case anyone has forgotten how this plays out


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    I am becoming jaded that such massacres are just another day at the office...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    And I never thought I would live long enough to be called "racist", "bigot", "Nazi", "white supremacist", etc. (which is absolutely hilarious if people calling me those names knew my wife's ancestry - she thinks it is!)
    https://everydayfeminism.com/2017/03...se-for-racism/

    Pathetic attempt at diversion.

    Your wife's ethnicity does not make your commentary any less regressive, vile, racist, sexist, illiberal, authoritarian or bigoted.
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    You need to practice how to speak to someone without flaming them.


    Also Social Justice blogs are pure unintentional comedy (everydayfeminism.com? LOOL)
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    That's pretty racist to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    That's pretty racist to say.
    We've covered this already, no it's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    That's pretty racist to say.
    We've covered this already, no it's not.
    Hilarious

    MrAlt-Reich is swinging punches in the dark in a desperate and futile effort.
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    And the name-calling starts again.

    How you keep trying to win arguments by resorting to personal insults every post that way is beyond comprehension. Are you somehow unable to think at a higher level than that?

    This really is your keyboard, isn't it?

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    You never push the other buttons like 'hard data', 'facts', 'rational thought', 'truth', 'peer review'

    You just post knowingly false and fake news, whataboutisms, cherry picked photos (Poland was the last one), debunked conspiracy theories (Uranium One was a recent example) and iqnore the facts that other people post.

    Then you admit that you are play mind games.

    I will point out that you started the whole lefty comments in the original thread on Trump.

    Examples in President Donald Trump What Now
    10-11-2016, Post #209
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    A group of "tolerant" lefties physically assaulting a man for voting for Trump:
    Then on the same day a year ago, you bring up your oft repeated 'I am the victim card'

    10-11-2016, Post #221
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    What a bunch of nonsense. Liberals and NDP supporters called all the Harper supporters "racists" as well. Apparently it's what they need to keep saying to claim the moral high ground.


    By all means, keep calling people names if it makes you feel superior, but it's certainly not going to convince anyone to take you seriously or to win someone over to your side.
    Your rhetoric is simply lame
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    I will point out that you started the whole lefty comments in the original thread on Trump.

    No, I cannot take credit for inventing "lefty comments".

    I do post facts that make many people on the political left uncomfortable, though.

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