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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Is a terrorist also a psychopath?

    We can’t do a thing about these murderers other than debate the nature of their crimes and motives, the words used in the debates, the connotations and semantics used in the debates. Same for everyone else including the politicians except out of these debates come real world responses that affect the treatment of innocent people suspected of potentially deadly behaviour as in all immigrants and all visible minorities.

    Maybe all these debates should focus on the process of identifying all psychopaths - but I have yet to see these discussions go anywhere near that issue.

    psy·cho·path
    ˈsīkəˌpaTH

    noun

    • - a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior
      - an unstable and aggressive person..





    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 02-11-2017 at 12:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Unlike the shooter in Las Vegas who was able to kill 58 people and wound over 500. But he's a white guy so he gets a pass on the terrorist Ferris wheel. Or the shooter in the black church that he targeted specifically because of the colour of the skin of the parishioners. Another white guy so there's nothing to see there either. Or the vast majority of mass shooters, white guys with lots of guns. Nothing to see here. Move along.
    One thing completely missed in the terrorist attack in New York is that the guy comes out of the truck with a pellet gun and a paintball gun. Same with other similar attacks in London and France where they had knives.

    New York, to their credit, has stricter gun control laws to reduce the high murder rates they had in the 1970's-1990's. same thing for countries in Europe. The New York attack could have been far worse if the terrorist got out of the truck with fully loaded automatic assault rifles and handguns. Reasonable gun control saves lives but the Alt-Reich will never admit it. Nor will Donald Trump even in the face of the largest gun massacre in Las Vegas, a State with some of the loosest gun laws in America.
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    Statements made by Trump screw up case against NY terrorist. His statements calling for the death penalty and sending him to Gitmo makes a defense attorney's case easier because Trump is the head of the Justice Department and biases the case, placing judges in a precarious position, whose boss already presumes guilt before trial.

    Trump cannot shut the frig up and all the Justice System to work properly.
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    MrNazis believes that all Muslims are terrorists, regardless of their persona beliefs or actions. At the same time, he believes that white men who commit mass shootings and bombingsare simply mentally ill people who have been let down by society.

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    In the case of the Las Vegas shooter until the authorities find out (if ever) why he did what he did in theory he can not be called a 'terrorist'.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-says-did.html

    ^'I totally get what he did,' Abu said of the suspect. 'It's in response to Muslims dying every day as a result of this ongoing conflict. Why doesn't the media cover that? The U.S. needs to get out and let us run our own affairs. But as long as they meddle and interfere, these terrorist attacks will continue to happen.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4xItF7hTK
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    The word 'terrorist' is now almost always used for people with a religious or political agenda. The Las Vegas shooter caused terror but as of yet he cannot be named a 'terrorist'. The recent shootings in New York had a religious/political motivation behind it, apparently the guy was steamed about the Bush's being in Irag. ter·ror·ist
    ˈterərəst/
    noun
    noun: terrorist; plural noun: terrorists

    • 1.
      a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
      "four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists"
      synonyms: extremist, fanatic; Morerevolutionary, radical, insurgent, guerrilla, anarchist, freedom fighter;
      bomber, gunman, assassin, hijacker, arsonist, incendiary
      "the detainees are suspected terrorists"








    adjective
    adjective: terrorist

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    Nevada state definition of terrorism:

    NRS 202.4415  “Act of terrorism” defined.
    1.  “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:
    (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population; or
    (b) Cause substantial destruction, contamination or impairment of:
    (1) Any building or infrastructure, communications, transportation, utilities or services; or
    (2) Any natural resource or the environment.
    2.  As used in this section, “coercion” does not include an act of civil disobedience.

    Seems pretty clear to me.

    https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-...#NRS202Sec4415

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    In the case of the Las Vegas shooter until the authorities find out (if ever) why he did what he did in theory he can not be called a 'terrorist'.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-says-did.html

    ^'I totally get what he did,' Abu said of the suspect. 'It's in response to Muslims dying every day as a result of this ongoing conflict. Why doesn't the media cover that? The U.S. needs to get out and let us run our own affairs. But as long as they meddle and interfere, these terrorist attacks will continue to happen.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4xItF7hTK
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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    The word 'terrorist' is now almost always used for people with a religious or political agenda. The Las Vegas shooter caused terror but as of yet he cannot be named a 'terrorist'. The recent shootings in New York had a religious/political motivation behind it, apparently the guy was steamed about the Bush's being in Irag. ter·ror·ist
    ˈterərəst/
    noun
    noun: terrorist; plural noun: terrorists

    • 1.
      a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
      "four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists"
      synonyms: extremist, fanatic; Morerevolutionary, radical, insurgent, guerrilla, anarchist, freedom fighter;
      bomber, gunman, assassin, hijacker, arsonist, incendiary
      "the detainees are suspected terrorists"








    adjective
    adjective: terrorist

    "The Las Vegas shooter caused terror but as of yet he cannot be named a 'terrorist'. "

    The irony is that outside of the act itself, the NY islamic? "terrorist" didn't cause any real terrorism effect* so maybe they can call him a terrorist but maybe it's not right to call the act and "act of terrorism". (Likely ranks in there with random mass shootings in random places restaurants, hotels, etc. (Schools are different - and those mass shootings did have a terrorism effect they did spread fear around the world and real caused changes in school policies and security.)

    *nothing lasting or fear inducing as a bike path is a bike path is a bike path - and there are so may of them that no one will be afraid of this happening on their bike path. However, its possible that the LV shooting will change people's behaviour regarding attending open air concerts in LV.
    Last edited by KC; 02-11-2017 at 01:33 PM.

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    So last night, a white guy walked into a Wal-Mart in Colorado and killed 3 people that he chose at random. Will Trump respond with the same vigor? Or will it be more "Thoughts and prayers"?

    Gunman who ‘nonchalantly’ killed 3 at a Colorado Walmart has been arrested, police say

    Scott Ostrem, 47, was picked up near his Denver home after a tip from a citizen who noticed his red Mitsubishi Mirage, Thornton police said Thursday morning. The capture ended a manhunt that began shortly after a gunman opened fire in the suburban Denver store, calmly and apparently at random, then turned around and walked out.


    “From the witness accounts, he nonchalantly walked into the front of the business through the south door and just raised the firearm and began firing,” police spokesman Victor Avila told reporters at a late-night news conference.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.10ae4f3bf8d4



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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So last night, a white guy walked into a Wal-Mart in Colorado and killed 3 people that he chose at random. Will Trump respond with the same vigor? Or will it be more "Thoughts and prayers"?

    Gunman who ‘nonchalantly’ killed 3 at a Colorado Walmart has been arrested, police say

    Scott Ostrem, 47, was picked up near his Denver home after a tip from a citizen who noticed his red Mitsubishi Mirage, Thornton police said Thursday morning. The capture ended a manhunt that began shortly after a gunman opened fire in the suburban Denver store, calmly and apparently at random, then turned around and walked out.


    “From the witness accounts, he nonchalantly walked into the front of the business through the south door and just raised the firearm and began firing,” police spokesman Victor Avila told reporters at a late-night news conference.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.10ae4f3bf8d4


    ^did he shout Allah Akbahr, or some other religious political slogan (which would make it terrorism not just a random nutcase), while he was doing it?

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    so if no one shouts something before committing an act of terrorism, it's not terrorism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So last night, a white guy walked into a Wal-Mart in Colorado and killed 3 people that he chose at random. Will Trump respond with the same vigor? Or will it be more "Thoughts and prayers"?

    Gunman who ‘nonchalantly’ killed 3 at a Colorado Walmart has been arrested, police say

    Scott Ostrem, 47, was picked up near his Denver home after a tip from a citizen who noticed his red Mitsubishi Mirage, Thornton police said Thursday morning. The capture ended a manhunt that began shortly after a gunman opened fire in the suburban Denver store, calmly and apparently at random, then turned around and walked out.


    “From the witness accounts, he nonchalantly walked into the front of the business through the south door and just raised the firearm and began firing,” police spokesman Victor Avila told reporters at a late-night news conference.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.10ae4f3bf8d4



    As discussed earlier - they need broaden their analysis and pleas for tips in order to identify and start treating all these guys equally as just potential murderers /mass murders and start to study all their associations, mental states and proclivities towards extremism, extreme irrational beliefs (religious or otherwise), etc.

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    ^^its not terrorist related if there is no political motivation / goal from the destruction - did the white guy have an ISIS flag in his van? Or a white supremacy shirt on? Then it might be.

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    If the Las Vegas gunman yelled "God Save us" or "God is Great" before killing and injuring over 600 people, would we then consider it terrorism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    so if no one shouts something before committing an act of terrorism, it's not terrorism?

    No, no , no. Freedom of speech allows for that so that can't be the differentiating factor. Clearly his lack of a beard and flag means he's not a terrorist but a mass shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^^its not terrorist related if there is no political motivation / goal from the destruction - did the white guy have an ISIS flag in his van? Or a white supremacy shirt on? Then it might be.
    probably a confederate flag!

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    ^^that's just Southern Pride, not terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    If the Las Vegas gunman yelled "God Save us" or "God is Great" before killing and injuring over 600 people, would we then consider it terrorism?

    Maybe he, did but they couldn't hear it over the machine gun fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^^that's just Southern Pride, not terrorism.
    Timothy Mcveigh... white guy nut case, or terrorist? He didn't have any affiliation to ISIS or islam...

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    Southern Pride.... is that where you are allowed to terrorize others and be pardon by the chief?

    or how about this? http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...rorism-charges

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    You're a real piece of work moahunter.

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    Mc Veigh and Brevik are two clear cases of white guy terrorism. Same with the Charlston Church Shooter, since he was trying to set off a reaction.
    There can only be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Is a terrorist also a psychopath?

    We can’t do a thing about these murderers other than debate the nature of their crimes and motives, the words used in the debates, the connotations and semantics used in the debates. Same for everyone else including the politicians except out of these debates come real world responses that affect the treatment of innocent people suspected of potentially deadly behaviour as in all immigrants and all visible minorities.

    Maybe all these debates should focus on the process of identifying all psychopaths - but I have yet to see these discussions go anywhere near that issue.

    psy·cho·path
    ˈsīkəˌpaTH

    noun

    • - a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior
      - an unstable and aggressive person..







    Also another irony, as the definition talks of them suffering, when it seems that most of the time they tend to make everyone else suffer.

    A person "lacking" as in never developing what they are missing (eg empathy) would seems to be a better approach to defining them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    In the case of the Las Vegas shooter until the authorities find out (if ever) why he did what he did in theory he can not be called a 'terrorist'.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-says-did.html

    ^'I totally get what he did,' Abu said of the suspect. 'It's in response to Muslims dying every day as a result of this ongoing conflict. Why doesn't the media cover that? The U.S. needs to get out and let us run our own affairs. But as long as they meddle and interfere, these terrorist attacks will continue to happen.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4xItF7hTK
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    ___________________________________

    The word 'terrorist' is now almost always used for people with a religious or political agenda. The Las Vegas shooter caused terror but as of yet he cannot be named a 'terrorist'. The recent shootings in New York had a religious/political motivation behind it, apparently the guy was steamed about the Bush's being in Irag. ter·ror·ist
    ˈterərəst/
    noun
    noun: terrorist; plural noun: terrorists

    • 1.
      a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
      "four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists"
      synonyms: extremist, fanatic; Morerevolutionary, radical, insurgent, guerrilla, anarchist, freedom fighter;
      bomber, gunman, assassin, hijacker, arsonist, incendiary
      "the detainees are suspected terrorists"




    adjective
    adjective: terrorist

    "The Las Vegas shooter caused terror but as of yet he cannot be named a 'terrorist'. "

    The irony is that outside of the act itself, the NY islamic? "terrorist" didn't cause any real terrorism effect* so maybe they can call him a terrorist but maybe it's not right to call the act and "act of terrorism". (Likely ranks in there with random mass shootings in random places restaurants, hotels, etc. (Schools are different - and those mass shootings did have a terrorism effect they did spread fear around the world and real caused changes in school policies and security.)

    *nothing lasting or fear inducing as a bike path is a bike path is a bike path - and there are so may of them that no one will be afraid of this happening on their bike path. However, its possible that the LV shooting will change people's behaviour regarding attending open air concerts in LV.

    Why must you constantly try to score points?.
    The definition that politicians and the media use to define a 'terrorist' is very well spelled out. Someone who causes terror for a political or religious motive.
    Saipov (the NY terrorist) definitely did have a religious (and no doubt political) motive when he went on the rampage. By the very act of hollering Allahu Akbar when he got out of the vehicle he wanted to make it known why he was doing it.
    Nobody as yet knows the motive for the Las Vegas shootings so to brand the guy a 'terrorists' by it's definition is wrong.
    Your trying to reinvent the wheel by twisting what the word 'terrorist' is. Everyone else gets the connection to the word but somehow you think it's about bike paths.
    Quit posting for a while on this thread. Go sing like nobodies listening, dance like nobodies watching. Your getting boring in you quest to always be 'right' of every frigging subject.
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    Colorado definition of terrorism.

    Terrorism is defined as a premeditated, unlawful act dangerous to human life or publicwelfare that is intended to intimidate or coerce civilian populations or governments, or any
    segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

    https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blaw/DOD..._Terrorism.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    The definition that politicians and the media use to define a 'terrorist' is very well spelled out.
    And completely irrelevant if it does not match the legal definition. Politicians aren't part of the judiciary & neither is the media.
    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    If the Las Vegas shooter isn't considered a terrorist, I'm not sure anyone or anything can be called a terrorist or terrorism.

    What sort of motivation could there be that wasn't terror related?

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    The legal definition in Nevada is useful when we're wondering whether he'll face charges there. For simple discussion on the internet the common English definition will do. Luckily most jurisdictions that define terrorism tend to align with the common English definition.
    There can only be one.

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    ^^it depends on whether or not he had political or social objectives. That isn't known yet. The idea that you want to promote that every crime is a terrorist activity is just silly though, its not how its defined.

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    ^^He could just want to take as many people as possible when he dies. Or he hates country music fans but their deaths is the motive, not any further goals. Maybe he liked the idea of the notoriety he could achieve without the tedius work of becoming a serial killer.

    He could still be a terrorist and we just don't know for sure yet.
    There can only be one.

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    Both sound like terrorism to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^^it depends on whether or not he had political or social objectives. That isn't known yet. The idea that you want to promote that every crime is a terrorist activity is just silly though, its not how its defined.
    Hey, I know you like putting words in peoples mouths, but I didn't say that. Nice try though.

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    So, by the definition given by those above, claiming that a religious declaration is necessary before an act can be claimed to be terrorism, George W. Bush's delaclaration of war against Iraq in March 2003 was actually a declaration of terrorist intent? Seeing as he lied about the reasons for it, calling upon God to help him smite his perceived enemies...

    "My fellow citizens, the dangers to our country and the world will be overcome. We will pass through this time of peril and carry on the work of peace. We will defend our freedom. We will bring freedom to others. And we will prevail.May God bless our country and all who defend her.""

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/19/spr...sh.transcript/

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^^it depends on whether or not he had political or social objectives. That isn't known yet. The idea that you want to promote that every crime is a terrorist activity is just silly though, its not how its defined.
    According to the State of Nevada, there's no question he was a terrorist.



    NRS 202.4415  “Act of terrorism” defined.
    1.  “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:
    (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population;

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    So if you yell 'God is Great' before killing en mass, it's probably okay

    but if you yell 'Allahu Akbar' before killing en mass, it's probably terrorism.



    If I follow this thread correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So, by the definition given by those above, claiming that a religious declaration is necessary before an act can be claimed to be terrorism, George W. Bush's delaclaration of war against Iraq in March 2003 was actually a declaration of terrorist intent? Seeing as he lied about the reasons for it, calling upon God to help him smite his perceived enemies...

    "My fellow citizens, the dangers to our country and the world will be overcome. We will pass through this time of peril and carry on the work of peace. We will defend our freedom. We will bring freedom to others. And we will prevail.May God bless our country and all who defend her.""

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/19/spr...sh.transcript/
    Trump would probably agree with you, he spoke out strongly against the Iraq war, and held Bush to task for it on the campaign - there is the term terrorist state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    So if you yell 'God is Great' before killing en mass, it's probably okay

    but if you yell 'Allahu Akbar' before killing en mass, it's probably terrorism.



    If I follow this thread correctly.
    Clearly you can't read, nobody has said that, both can be terrorism, there are plenty of examples of Christian and Jewish, and various other religions and causes (even Quebec separatism) terrorism throughout history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^^it depends on whether or not he had political or social objectives. That isn't known yet. The idea that you want to promote that every crime is a terrorist activity is just silly though, its not how its defined.
    According to the State of Nevada, there's no question he was a terrorist.



    NRS 202.4415  “Act of terrorism” defined.
    1.  “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:
    (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population;
    Can we have the link to that ^ be interesting to say what it says in it's entirety.
    Gone............................and very quickly forgotten may I add.

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    ^Forget it.
    Gone............................and very quickly forgotten may I add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    So if you yell 'God is Great' before killing en mass, it's probably okay

    but if you yell 'Allahu Akbar' before killing en mass, it's probably terrorism.



    If I follow this thread correctly.
    Clearly you can't read, nobody has said that, both can be terrorism, there are plenty of examples of Christian and Jewish, and various other religions and causes (even Quebec separatism) terrorism throughout history.
    Both are terrorism, and it has nothing to do with what is said beforehand. Thanks for taking the bait and failing.

    “Act of terrorism” defined.
    1.  “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:
    (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population;

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So, by the definition given by those above, claiming that a religious declaration is necessary before an act can be claimed to be terrorism, George W. Bush's delaclaration of war against Iraq in March 2003 was actually a declaration of terrorist intent? Seeing as he lied about the reasons for it, calling upon God to help him smite his perceived enemies...

    "My fellow citizens, the dangers to our country and the world will be overcome. We will pass through this time of peril and carry on the work of peace. We will defend our freedom. We will bring freedom to others. And we will prevail.May God bless our country and all who defend her.""

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/19/spr...sh.transcript/
    Trump would probably agree with you, he spoke out strongly against the Iraq war, and held Bush to task for it on the campaign - there is the term terrorist state.
    Actually, he lied about that in the campaign. Seems like you took it hook line and sinker again. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...osed-iraq-war/

    ""I was totally against the war in Iraq," Trump said during the NBC News event. "You can look at Esquire magazine from '04. You can look at before that."Well, we have gone back further than the 2004 interview Trump mentioned, and the record tells a different story.
    Trump has a hard time getting past a September 2002 interview with shock jock Howard Stern. Stern asked Trump if he supported the looming invasion.
    Trump responded, "Yeah, I guess so."
    Trump dialed that back a bit in another interview in January 2003, a few months before the invasion. Fox News’ Neil Cavuto asked Trump whether President George W. Bush should be more focused on Iraq or the economy.
    "Well, he has either got to do something or not do something, perhaps, because perhaps shouldn't be doing it yet and perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations, you know," Trump said. "He's under a lot of pressure. I think he's doing a very good job. But, of course, if you look at the polls, a lot of people are getting a little tired. I think the Iraqi situation is a problem. And I think the economy is a much bigger problem as far as the president is concerned."
    So Trump put the economy ahead of confronting Iraq, but he didn’t speak against going to war. At most he suggested waiting for the United Nations to do something."


    Trump flip flops on just about every issue as often as you should change your underwear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So, by the definition given by those above, claiming that a religious declaration is necessary before an act can be claimed to be terrorism, George W. Bush's delaclaration of war against Iraq in March 2003 was actually a declaration of terrorist intent? Seeing as he lied about the reasons for it, calling upon God to help him smite his perceived enemies...

    "My fellow citizens, the dangers to our country and the world will be overcome. We will pass through this time of peril and carry on the work of peace. We will defend our freedom. We will bring freedom to others. And we will prevail.May God bless our country and all who defend her.""

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/19/spr...sh.transcript/
    That's a very good point. Even to this day people throughout the world are saying the States should have not got involved in the middle east. Some people indeed do say it was and is terrorism on the States part.
    Gone............................and very quickly forgotten may I add.

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    Here you go, from the State of Nevada legislature website.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^^it depends on whether or not he had political or social objectives. That isn't known yet. The idea that you want to promote that every crime is a terrorist activity is just silly though, its not how its defined.
    According to the State of Nevada, there's no question he was a terrorist.



    NRS 202.4415  “Act of terrorism” defined.
    1.  “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:
    (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population;
    Can we have the link to that ^ be interesting to say what it says in it's entirety.
    CHAPTER 202 - CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY
    ACTS OF TERRORISM; WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION; LETHAL AGENTS; TOXINS; HOAX SUBSTANCES

    NRS 202.4415  “Act of terrorism” defined.
    1.  “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:
    (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population; or
    (b) Cause substantial destruction, contamination or impairment of:
    (1) Any building or infrastructure, communications, transportation, utilities or services; or
    (2) Any natural resource or the environment.
    2.  As used in this section, “coercion” does not include an act of civil disobedience.

    https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-...#NRS202Sec4415





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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    So if you yell 'God is Great' before killing en mass, it's probably okay

    but if you yell 'Allahu Akbar' before killing en mass, it's probably terrorism.



    If I follow this thread correctly.
    Clearly you can't read, nobody has said that, both can be terrorism, there are plenty of examples of Christian and Jewish, and various other religions and causes (even Quebec separatism) terrorism throughout history.
    Both are terrorism, and it has nothing to do with what is said beforehand. Thanks for taking the bait and failing.

    “Act of terrorism” defined.
    1.  “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:
    (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population;
    That's how it is defined in one State in the US - but sure, if you want to pretend that's what it means in English and ignore dictionaries because the term offends your politically correct sensibilities, so that you can claim a guy shooting a few people in Walmart is a terrorist even though they have no political or social motivation, good for you, every significant crime is terrorism, great. The King David Hotel bombing (by Israeli terrorists) = Columbine High School Shootings, and both are terrorism, per medwards, because Nevada law says so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    That's how it is defined in one State in the US - but sure, if you want to pretend that's what it means in English and ignore dictionaries because the term offends your politically correct sensibilities, so that you can claim a guy shooting a few people in Walmart is a terrorist even though they have no political or social motivation, good for you, every significant crime is terrorism, great. The King David Hotel bombing (by Israeli terrorists) = Columbine High School Shootings, and both are terrorism, per medwards, because Nevada law says so.
    The shooter in the Wal-Mart killed three people, not one. And the Nevada definition is relevant in the discussion of the shooting that took place in NEVADA. For the definition in Colorado, here's the definition from there:

    Terrorism is defined as a premeditated, unlawful act dangerous to human life or publicwelfare that is intended to intimidate or coerce civilian populations or governments, or any
    segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

    State of Colorado
    Emergency Operations Plan
    TERRORISM ANNEX I


    https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blaw/DOD..._Terrorism.pdf
    And I'm not sure if you're saying that the bombing of the King David Hotel was a terrorist attack or not. Columbine certainly was.

    School shooters tend to act impulsively and attack the targets of their rage: students and faculty. But Harris and Klebold planned for a year and dreamed much bigger. The school served as means to a grander end, to terrorize the entire nation by attacking a symbol of American life. Their slaughter was aimed at students and teachers, but it was not motivated by resentment of them in particular. Students and teachers were just convenient quarry, what Timothy McVeigh described as "collateral damage."


    The killers, in fact, laughed at petty school shooters. They bragged about dwarfing the carnage of the Oklahoma City bombing and originally scheduled their bloody performance for its anniversary. Klebold boasted on video about inflicting "the most deaths in U.S. history." Columbine was intended not primarily as a shooting at all, but as a bombing on a massive scale. If they hadn't been so bad at wiring the timers, the propane bombs they set in the cafeteria would have wiped out 600 people. After those bombs went off, they planned to gun down fleeing survivors. An explosive third act would follow, when their cars, packed with still more bombs, would rip through still more crowds, presumably of survivors, rescue workers, and reporters. The climax would be captured on live television. It wasn't just "fame" they were after—Agent Fuselier bristles at that trivializing term—they were gunning for devastating infamy on the historical scale of an Attila the Hun. Their vision was to create a nightmare so devastating and apocalyptic that the entire world would shudder at their power.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...sychopath.html
    Or are you saying that a couple of white kids from Colorado are incapable of being terrorists by definition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So last night, a white guy walked into a Wal-Mart in Colorado and killed 3 people that he chose at random. Will Trump respond with the same vigor? Or will it be more "Thoughts and prayers"?

    Gunman who ‘nonchalantly’ killed 3 at a Colorado Walmart has been arrested, police say

    Scott Ostrem, 47, was picked up near his Denver home after a tip from a citizen who noticed his red Mitsubishi Mirage, Thornton police said Thursday morning. The capture ended a manhunt that began shortly after a gunman opened fire in the suburban Denver store, calmly and apparently at random, then turned around and walked out.


    “From the witness accounts, he nonchalantly walked into the front of the business through the south door and just raised the firearm and began firing,” police spokesman Victor Avila told reporters at a late-night news conference.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.10ae4f3bf8d4



    ^did he shout Allah Akbahr, or some other religious political slogan (which would make it terrorism not just a random nutcase), while he was doing it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    So if you yell 'God is Great' before killing en mass, it's probably okay

    but if you yell 'Allahu Akbar' before killing en mass, it's probably terrorism.



    If I follow this thread correctly.
    Clearly you can't read, nobody has said that, both can be terrorism, there are plenty of examples of Christian and Jewish, and various other religions and causes (even Quebec separatism) terrorism throughout history.
    Both are terrorism, and it has nothing to do with what is said beforehand. Thanks for taking the bait and failing.

    “Act of terrorism” defined.
    1.  “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:
    (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population;
    That's how it is defined in one State in the US - but sure, if you want to pretend that's what it means in English and ignore dictionaries because the term offends your politically correct sensibilities, so that you can claim a guy shooting a few people in Walmart is a terrorist even though they have no political or social motivation, good for you, every significant crime is terrorism, great. The King David Hotel bombing (by Israeli terrorists) = Columbine High School Shootings, and both are terrorism, per medwards, because Nevada law says so.
    So back to this then. What does it matter if he shouted "God is great" or "Allahu Akbar" before or during? Neither are political statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    So if you yell 'God is Great' before killing en mass, it's probably okay

    but if you yell 'Allahu Akbar' before killing en mass, it's probably terrorism.



    If I follow this thread correctly.
    Clearly you can't read, nobody has said that, both can be terrorism, there are plenty of examples of Christian and Jewish, and various other religions and causes (even Quebec separatism) terrorism throughout history.
    Both are terrorism, and it has nothing to do with what is said beforehand. Thanks for taking the bait and failing.

    “Act of terrorism” defined.
    1.  “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:
    (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population;
    What has happened in the last few of years there has been an uptick of terrorist activity. Politicians are trying to separate and define what is terrorism and what is mass shootings by others. They are trying to define a specific word that explains a political or religious act of war. Nothing wrong with that as all acts of mayhem should not be deemed to be done in the name of religion or politics. If the mass media stuck to the script and called religious and political killings as 'terrorism' it would be fine. The public would know the reason for the terrorist act. The media being a bunch of inane talking heads often times (more often than not) fruck up so bad when reporting these things the actual work 'terrorist' and 'terrorism' are used just about for almost any incident.
    Maybe the government(s) should change the wording of it's papers so that they are all reading from the same page.
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    ^^As I said, both are religious statements and both indicate that the act is terrorism on behalf of some god/religion which is a social cause.

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    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...sychopath.html

    Columbine shooters pretty close if not terrorist in my views...

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    ^what political or social cause were they trying to effect? They weren't fighting for the catholic church / separatisim (IRA), Jewish statehood (King David Hotel), Palestinian statehood (Munich bombing), Islamic fundamentalism (911), or similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    In the case of the Las Vegas shooter until the authorities find out (if ever) why he did what he did in theory he can not be called a 'terrorist'.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-says-did.html

    ^'I totally get what he did,' Abu said of the suspect. 'It's in response to Muslims dying every day as a result of this ongoing conflict. Why doesn't the media cover that? The U.S. needs to get out and let us run our own affairs. But as long as they meddle and interfere, these terrorist attacks will continue to happen.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4xItF7hTK
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    The word 'terrorist' is now almost always used for people with a religious or political agenda. The Las Vegas shooter caused terror but as of yet he cannot be named a 'terrorist'. The recent shootings in New York had a religious/political motivation behind it, apparently the guy was steamed about the Bush's being in Irag. ter·ror·ist
    ˈterərəst/
    noun
    noun: terrorist; plural noun: terrorists

    • 1.
      a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
      "four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists"
      synonyms: extremist, fanatic; Morerevolutionary, radical, insurgent, guerrilla, anarchist, freedom fighter;
      bomber, gunman, assassin, hijacker, arsonist, incendiary
      "the detainees are suspected terrorists"




    adjective
    adjective: terrorist

    "The Las Vegas shooter caused terror but as of yet he cannot be named a 'terrorist'. "

    The irony is that outside of the act itself, the NY islamic? "terrorist" didn't cause any real terrorism effect* so maybe they can call him a terrorist but maybe it's not right to call the act and "act of terrorism". (Likely ranks in there with random mass shootings in random places restaurants, hotels, etc. (Schools are different - and those mass shootings did have a terrorism effect they did spread fear around the world and real caused changes in school policies and security.)

    *nothing lasting or fear inducing as a bike path is a bike path is a bike path - and there are so may of them that no one will be afraid of this happening on their bike path. However, its possible that the LV shooting will change people's behaviour regarding attending open air concerts in LV.

    Why must you constantly try to score points?.
    The definition that politicians and the media use to define a 'terrorist' is very well spelled out. Someone who causes terror for a political or religious motive.
    Saipov (the NY terrorist) definitely did have a religious (and no doubt political) motive when he went on the rampage. By the very act of hollering Allahu Akbar when he got out of the vehicle he wanted to make it known why he was doing it.
    Nobody as yet knows the motive for the Las Vegas shootings so to brand the guy a 'terrorists' by it's definition is wrong.
    Your trying to reinvent the wheel by twisting what the word 'terrorist' is. Everyone else gets the connection to the word but somehow you think it's about bike paths.
    Quit posting for a while on this thread. Go sing like nobodies listening, dance like nobodies watching. Your getting boring in you quest to always be 'right' of every frigging subject.
    Score points? With who or whom and why? I'm an anonymous poster that posts all kinds of crap and nonsense - like everyone else. This forum stuff is more like playing a never ending game of table tennis against a stranger without keeping score. It's just some mental exercise if its even that.

    Above all, I just love how semantics and connotations are used to manipulate people, even large numbers of people, and I enjoy watching how so many debates go around and around in circles because people have slightly different interpretations and understandings of even the most common words and ideas.
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    US Legal definition of domestic terrorism:

    the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—

    (A)involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

    (B)appear to be intended—

    • to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    • to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
    • to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and


    (C)occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331
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    ^Yes, and you are one of the worst offenders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    ^Yes, and you are one of the worst offenders.
    According to who's definition.

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    Their vision was to create a nightmare so devastating and apocalyptic that the entire world would shudder at their power.
    Yeah, no societal motivations behind Columbine whatsoever..

    (from the aforementioned Slate article linked)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    ^Yes, and you are one of the worst offenders.
    Maybe instead of getting angry that people "score points" by correcting your flawed arguments, fallacious logic & dubious stances on many issues you could channel that energy into improving yourself & your posts so that people don't instantly recoil at what you're saying & feel compelled to put it in its place.
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    ^^They were ****** off at life and wanted to kill lots of people. That's very different from joining an organization (e.g. IRA/ISIS/PLO/etc) and killing people to further that organizations goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^^They were ****** off at life and wanted to kill lots of people. That's very different from joining an organization (e.g. IRA/ISIS/PLO/etc) and killing people to further that organizations goals.
    I'm not seeing "joining an organization" in the relevant legal definitions of terrorism, so your point of distinction or differentiation is moot at best.
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    ^I keep forgetting you define Terrorism by the State of Nevada's laws, which you think are perfect, like the Red Necks you associate yourself as being similar to there, no wonder you think someone shooting a few people in Walmart is automatically terrorist, how dare they do that in the worlds most classy store?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^I keep forgetting you define Terrorism by the State of Nevada's laws, which you think are perfect.
    Did you not see me post up the US Code? It's not in there either, smart guy.

    (And I've never said Nevada's laws were perfect. You really are terrible at being able to respond to what people have actually said, not what you've conjured up in your wee brain. Sociopaths are pretty terrible at guessing or understanding the motivations of others, so I understand how this is a challenge to someone like you.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^^They were ****** off at life and wanted to kill lots of people. That's very different from joining an organization (e.g. IRA/ISIS/PLO/etc) and killing people to further that organizations goals.
    So Timothy McVie wasn't a terrorist then? Blowing up a diesel-fuel-fertilizer bomb in front of a federal government building, killing 168 and injuring hundreds more isn't terrorism because he didn't learn the secret handshake and wear the secret decoder ring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Did you not see me post up the US Code? It's not in there either, smart guy.
    Moahunter - defines words by how they are defined in dictionaries, because that's what dictionaries do (define things for common language usage).
    Noodle - defines words by how they are defined in US statutes, because he loves the US so much and wants to be a lawyer in the US (?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    ^Yes, and you are one of the worst offenders.
    Maybe instead of getting angry that people "score points" by correcting your flawed arguments, fallacious logic & dubious stances on many issues you could channel that energy into improving yourself & your posts so that people don't instantly recoil at what you're saying & feel compelled to put it in its place.
    I'd take that on board if it did not come from someone who posts some of the most asinine comments on the forum.
    Amy who, back to thread.
    I think the Western governments (U S A, U K, EU Countries, Canada etc) are trying to define a terminology for a religious and political deaths that are caused by religious and political zealots. They all seem to want to call religious and political death acts as 'acts of terror' or 'terrorism' and the people who commit them they want to call 'terrorists'. I get that. They are trying to separate political/religious killings from your regular mass shootings. Dictionaries throughout the western world will no doubt in time reflect the new meaning of 'terrorist' and 'terrorist act'. Which would be a good step because all acts of mass shootings are not 'terrorism' brought on by religion or politics leanings. Well, not by the new definition of the word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^^They were ****** off at life and wanted to kill lots of people. That's very different from joining an organization (e.g. IRA/ISIS/PLO/etc) and killing people to further that organizations goals.
    So Timothy McVie wasn't a terrorist then? Blowing up a diesel-fuel-fertilizer bomb in front of a federal government building, killing 168 and injuring hundreds more isn't terrorism because he didn't learn the secret handshake and wear the secret decoder ring?
    I believe McVeigh was a terrorist, he had a political agenda against the Federal government, some people don't think so though as its not clear what the agenda was (other than hatred).
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^^They were ****** off at life and wanted to kill lots of people. That's very different from joining an organization (e.g. IRA/ISIS/PLO/etc) and killing people to further that organizations goals.
    So Timothy McVie wasn't a terrorist then? Blowing up a diesel-fuel-fertilizer bomb in front of a federal government building, killing 168 and injuring hundreds more isn't terrorism because he didn't learn the secret handshake and wear the secret decoder ring?
    McVeigh was a terrorist, he had a political agenda against the Federal government.
    But he wasn't a member of a group. Or did you not mean this?

    They were ****** off at life and wanted to kill lots of people. That's very different from joining an organization (e.g. IRA/ISIS/PLO/etc) and killing people to further that organizations goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^^They were ****** off at life and wanted to kill lots of people. That's very different from joining an organization (e.g. IRA/ISIS/PLO/etc) and killing people to further that organizations goals.
    So Timothy McVie wasn't a terrorist then? Blowing up a diesel-fuel-fertilizer bomb in front of a federal government building, killing 168 and injuring hundreds more isn't terrorism because he didn't learn the secret handshake and wear the secret decoder ring?
    McVie would be a terrorist if he did it for religious or political purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Moahunter - defines words by how they are defined in dictionaries, because that's what dictionaries do (define things for common language usage).
    Noodle - defines words by how they are defined in US statutes, because he loves the US so much and wants to be a lawyer in the US (?).
    Back to this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    They were ****** off at life and wanted to kill lots of people. That's very different from joining an organization (e.g. IRA/ISIS/PLO/etc) and killing people to further that organizations goals.
    I never said that, I simply gave an example of something that is clearly terrorism. I didn't say you have to join an organization to be a terrorist, I said, if you do, clearly it is. There has to be a social or political goal though - that's the key. Just wanting to kill people because you hate life, doesn't meet this:

    Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim.

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    And terrorizing the world is not a political or social goal?
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    ^it is if it is done for a political religious or ideological reason (unless you believe US law is the basis of all our language definitions).

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^it is if it is done for a political religious or ideological reason (unless you believe US law is the basis of all our language definitions).
    No, but it is applicable when discussing American crimes.

    Unless you think your dictionary should supersede the law & legal definitions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    They were ****** off at life and wanted to kill lots of people. That's very different from joining an organization (e.g. IRA/ISIS/PLO/etc) and killing people to further that organizations goals.
    I never said that, I simply gave an example of something that is clearly terrorism. I didn't say you have to join an organization to be a terrorist, I said, if you do, clearly it is. There has to be a social or political goal though - that's the key. Just wanting to kill people because you hate life, doesn't meet this:

    Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim.
    So then Columbine was an act of terrorism?

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    ^Most people look up a regular dictionary for the definition of a word. Lawyers etc. look up legal dictionaries for legal terminology.
    One is as important as the other. Criminal charges should match the crime committed. Get charged with murder for mass killing your co workers and boss for loosing your job or get charged with 'terrorism' because you blew up a building for political or religious reasons.
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    Screw the definitions when they don't fit your bias

    New Yorkers are tough. An attack happened and the parade went on as planned. People used the bike path the next day Nobody was terrorized.

    Trump uses it politically to whip up his base by terrorizing peaceful immigrants who leave the US and move to a safer Canada.

    The Las Vegas attackaffected a much greater number of people and will have a much longer and lasting effect.

    Trump won't do anything because it affects his base and they are terrorized that someone will will take their guns away.
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    ^That's a novelty approach 'New Yorkers are tough' so lets mess with dictionary and legal definitions.
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    So, does having "stacks of Bibles" count as having an ideology? And he was hostile to Hispanics. Gee, who else do we know that's like that? Something about calling them all rapists and murderers. The colour orange comes to mind but I can't put my finger on the name....

    "i·de·ol·o·gyˌīdēˈäləjē,ˌidēˈäləjē/Submit
    noun
    1.
    a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.
    "the ideology of republicanism"
    synonyms: beliefs, ideas, ideals, principles, ethics, morals; More
    2.
    archaic
    the science of ideas; the study of their origin and nature."

    Man who killed three in Colorado Walmart was ‘angry’ loner with no furniture but stacks of Bibles

    He was particularly hostile, she added, to Hispanics.


    “He wouldn’t say nothing to us, but he talked to the only white couple who lives here,” Muniz recalled. “I don’t understand where that hatred comes from.”


    Another resident who saw inside Ostrem’s apartment during his arrest said, “There was hardly any furniture in there except a TV, a lawnchair and a table. He slept on blankets on the floor.”


    There was a stack of five Bibles on the floor and five more stacked on the table, the neighbor said.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/man...cks-of-bibles/


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    This is the card you always use:


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    I have no idea what your skin tone or ethnicity is, but you've certainly espoused enough racist rhetoric that I'm confident in thinking you're a reprehensible person regardless of whether you recognize you're a racist or not.
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    Funny, when people march under NAZI flags and wear NAZI armbands, MrNazis always denies that they're NAZIs.

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    Well, you know. Some people don't view NAZIs as terrorist, they're good people.



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    Sure, other NAZIs for one example

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Funny, when people march under NAZI flags and wear NAZI armbands, MrNazis always denies that they're NAZIs.
    Who has marched with Nazi armbands and Nazi flags since the 1940s in Germany?

    Seriously. Trying to use "Nazi" as a slander is hilariously lame.

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    You mean like these guys?





    Or these? Not arm bands but permanent tattoos


    You are so wrong and ignore the truth about the Alt-Reich


    Still in denial? Not going to admit you are wrong and dodge the issue?
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    Charlottesville








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    ^ "Good People" according to MrIgnoreReality.





    Members of the neo-Nazi National Alliance salute and parade with flags with swastikas in front of the US Capitol during a rally of about 300 demonstrators, 24 August 2002 in Washington, DC....


    See image
    Members of the National Socialist Movement march in front of Los Angeles' City Hall






    Members of the National Socialist Movement, a Neo Nazi group, rallies in Claremont, California,,
    Copyright Todd Bigelow





    Neo-Nazi protests mar the opening of the Illinois Holocaust Museum & Education Centre in Skokie, IL.


    MrNeoNazi-Apologist is trying to deny that Nazis exist today.
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    Wow - there are literally TENS of those idiots!!! The lesson here is that can find a photo of anything on the internet if you search for it. Ha ha.

    The other lesson here is those clowns pose no threat, they have no support and nobody takes them seriously, either. If they were a true threat, our media (and the left) would treat neo-Nazis the same way they treat Muslims (afraid to criticize them, afraid to tell jokes about them, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Wow - there are literally TENS of those idiots!!!


    WRONG!


    You are a NeoNazi apologist who minimalize the real threat that Alt-Reich extremists cause more domestic terrorism and deaths in the United States than all other types combined.

    Trump has emboldened the Alt-Reich and actively minimizes their attacks while going ballistic on any attack involving a Islamic extremist or someone with a darker skin color.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domest..._United_States


    https://www.revealnews.org/article/h...e-the-hate-is/






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    I do readily admit that I belong to a white supremacist hate group...






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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Funny, when people march under NAZI flags and wear NAZI armbands, MrNazis always denies that they're NAZIs.
    Who has marched with Nazi armbands and Nazi flags since the 1940s in Germany?

    Seriously. Trying to use "Nazi" as a slander is hilariously lame.
    Shows MrNAZI pictures of people marching with NAZI armbands and flags taken in the past few months.

    MrNAZI - Oh right, there's pictures of them but that's not proof! Besides, they're good people. Just ask Trump!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Wow - there are literally TENS of those idiots!!!
    You are a NeoNazi apologist who minimalize the real threat that Alt-Reich extremists cause more domestic terrorism and deaths in the United States than all other types combined.
    You are insane! And so wrong!


    Even the stats you show demonstrate only a handful of terror incidents linked "right-wing" terrorism (note that it does NOT say neo-Nazi). And Muslims (a TINY percentage of the majority white US population) have killed and injured far more people than right-wing extremists. Bar none. Per capita it's even worse. When one includes all other leftist political violence is included (such as Black Lives Matter riots and Antifa gangs injuring, beating, and stabbing people), the violence caused by the far-right appears absolutely miniscule.

    Your whole "white supremacist" moral panic these days is a complete joke and an attempted deflection from the real threat of Islamic terrorism and leftist political violence seen everywhere on the planet.
    Last edited by MrOilers; 05-11-2017 at 10:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Funny, when people march under NAZI flags and wear NAZI armbands, MrNazis always denies that they're NAZIs.
    Who has marched with Nazi armbands and Nazi flags since the 1940s in Germany?

    Seriously. Trying to use "Nazi" as a slander is hilariously lame.
    Shows MrNAZI pictures of people marching with NAZI armbands and flags taken in the past few months.

    MrNAZI - Oh right, there's pictures of them but that's not proof! Besides, they're good people. Just ask Trump!

    Sigh...

    Once again, we see a left-wing "progressive" in his natural habitat attempting to win an argument by typical left-wing political tactics practiced in every communist country world-wide:

    1. Public shaming (E.g. name-calling, falsely labeling the person arguing with them)
    2. Piling on (jumping onto the back of something a different poster said in an attempt to "bully" the person into silence by outnumbering them)

    The next steps (not yet taken by the "progressive left" against me on this forum) will be:

    3. Appealing to authority (i.e. "I'm telling on the authorities - moderators - to silence you")
    4. React against the person with physical violence

    You can guarantee it. It's how the political left has operated for ages.


    “Walk toward the fire. Don’t worry about what they call you. All those things are said against you because they want to stop you in your tracks. But if you keep going, you’re sending a message to people who are rooting for you, who are agreeing with you. The message is that they can do it, too.”

    - Andrew Brietbart

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    Oh right, have I reported you at all to anyone? Have I threatened you? No to both. And as for "piling on", that's the usual cry of those who find themselves on the losing end of an argument "Wah, everyone is against me!" And for good reason. Public shaming? Simply calling a spade, a spade. If it marches like a NAZI and salutes like a NAZI and sympathizes with a NAZi....

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    Sorry, doubling-down on the name-calling and self-justification isn't going to make you correct. It appears you've also "escalated" your insults by calling me names in all caps (as if that will help - LOL). Next you should try calling me names in a bigger/different font! Or maybe different colors!


    Anyway, I must be pretty close to the truth to be taking this much heat.
    Last edited by MrOilers; 05-11-2017 at 10:41 AM.

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    No, NAZI is traditionally shown in all caps. It's just coincidence that it's in your name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post

    Some things never change.

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    Shouts the poor Mr.NAZI who plays the victim.
    Advocating a better Edmonton through effective, efficient and economical transit.

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    Buddhist Monk says all races and religions could coexist, but they won't because Muslims don't want to.

    Video: http://www.myinfonews.net/2017/10/31...t-for-muslims/



    He must be a NAZI!!!

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    The monk featured in the "news" that MrOilers posted:
    Wirathu calls himself the 'Burmese Bin Laden'. He is a Buddhist monk who is stoking religious hatred across Burma. His paranoia and fear, muddled with racist stereotypes and unfounded rumours, have helped to incite violence and spread misinformation in a nation still stumbling towards democracy. Wirathu speaks to the Guardian at his Masoeyein monastery in Mandalay

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/vi...ist-monk-video
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    So, just the sort of person that he'd agree with.

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