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    Well lets face it. The UN does not do 'chutzpah'. What it does best is the status quo. A bunch of so called leaders get together and advance the world, oh wait, maybe advance is not the right word. A bunch of leaders get together pat each other on the back, make nice, eat a lot, get to stay at nice hotels and just generally spend a lot of money on the worlds taxpayers dime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    In the middle of his comments, Trump paused to take the room's temperature, but it was apparent world leaders were unmoved by the rebuke of the worker state. The room was silent. It was reminiscent of Jeb Bush's "please clap" moment.
    Conservative commentator Bill O'Reilly perhaps described it best: "Most fascinating part of Trump [United Nations] speech: After lambasting socialism, he paused, perhaps waiting for applause. None came. Stony silence."
    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-was-la...cialism-667785

    Of course they were silent when Trump bashed socialist policies - none of them wanted to be sent to the camps by their countries' leaders for applauding that.

    Most of the world is not free.

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    Who do you consider free?
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    Western Nation-State democracies are generally the most free societies on Earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Western Nation-State democracies are generally the most free societies on Earth.
    Here's the most recent breakdown from the Cato Institute's Human Freedom Index. Lest you think I'm picking a source that's biased towards socialism, I'll remind you they're a right-leaning, libertarian think tank funded by the Koch Brothers. The Institute states that it favors policies "that are consistent with the traditional American principles of limited government, individual liberty, and peace", so right up your alley.



    Odd that the United States doesn't even crack the top 10 & somehow all these evil, oppressive socialist regimes have managed to weasel their way to the top...
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    I think the Cato's rankings are pretty skewed towards "economic" freedom, and not necessarily universal human rights and the like. Hong Kong should absolutely not be at the top of that list, given that they're not even a democracy and numerous people have been "disappeared" and showing up in show trials in the mainland. In any case, we'd probably agree that "socialism" is ridiculously demonized in American political discourse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    I think the Cato's rankings are pretty skewed towards "economic" freedom, and not necessarily universal human rights and the like. Hong Kong should absolutely not be at the top of that list, given that they're not even a democracy and numerous people have been "disappeared" and showing up in show trials in the mainland. In any case, we'd probably agree that "socialism" is ridiculously demonized in American political discourse.
    this one might be less skewed - rankings were "measured by the Freedom House Organization for their adherence to the guidelines set out by the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights.:

    http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/1...the-world.html

    although arguably more theatre than argument, the reasons for the united states no longer being on lists like this are summed up pretty well in this cinematic addressing of the root cause:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    In any case, we'd probably agree that "socialism" is ridiculously demonized in American political discourse.
    I don't think socialism is criticized enough.


    As far as 20th century politics is concerned, there isn't a single political model that has imprisoned, killed, starved, tortured, and oppressed more people than socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    In any case, we'd probably agree that "socialism" is ridiculously demonized in American political discourse.
    I don't think socialism is criticized enough.


    As far as 20th century politics is concerned, there isn't a single political model that has imprisoned, killed, starved, tortured, and oppressed more people than socialism.
    except that political models aren't binary with one represented by the american republic's version of democracy and all the others represented by socialism.

    and i'm pretty sure the imprisoned, killed, starved, tortured and oppressed as a result of the genocides conducted in bosnia and rwanda and darfur were victims of anarchy and dictatorships, not socialism.
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    ^^You mean communism.

    People actually do criticize it, but under it's actual name, not the one that some people pick just so they can smear unrelated political models by association.
    There can only be one.

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    What Ken and Highlander said. Socialism is not necessarily totalitarian communism. Just like capitalism isn't necessarily completely unregulated, "free market" corporatism or plutocracy. Either of those extremes will lead to terrible results. These things aren't binary, and they don't even exist on a single axis. The fact is, the countries with the highest standards of living and the most contented or happiest populations tend to be the ones that implement various aspects of both of those ideologies. Hence why I said that socialism is unfairly demonized in American political discourse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    It looked like Trump was expecting the UN to get behind him and cheer him on like he has at his post-election rallies (as strange as those are).
    They aren't odd, they serve a very specific purpose:

    Trump using campaign, RNC funds to pay legal bills from Russia probe: sources


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1BU2OS

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    Trump, the guy supposedly worth $10 billion (according to him), sure likes spending other people's money, doesn't he?
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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