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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    This manifesto wants to give economic security for people who are "unwilling to work". Right on the first page, about 2/3 the way down:

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...w-Deal-FAQ.pdf

    That's some soberingly real socialism right there.
    Sobering? First Trump getting elected then this. You should have sobered up a couple years ago and realized that nutcases are increasingly being elected.


    ‘We’re nuts!’ isn’t a great pitch for a Green New Deal - The Washington Post


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...e81_story.html



    Interesting. Here’s what I found:


    American Politics Journal - FDR's Unfinished "Second Bill of Rights" – and Why We Need it Now

    “...The elements of that conception fall into two major categories – opportunity and security. Here is a partial introduction to and list of FDR's Second Bill of Rights, as enumerated in his 1944 State of the Union address:

    We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. Necessitous men are not free men. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

    In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all – regardless of station, race, or creed. Among
    these are:

    Opportunity
    • The right to a useful and remunerative job…
    • The right to a good education.
    • The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies…
    Security
    • The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.
    • The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.
    • The right of every family to a decent home.
    • The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation.”


    https://web.archive.org/web/20110606...&id=130&Itemid
    Bolding mine
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    AMI demanded that Bezos and the Washington Post publish fake news under threat of blackmail, on behalf of AMI and other parties that may include the Saudis and Trump.

    Bezos said no and instead published AMI's lawyers blackmail letter.

    More evidence that much of the fake news comes from Trump minions, right wing media and Trump himself.
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    Trump's definition of cooperation is the Democrats giving him everything he wants and praising him at every turn.

    Anyone remember his infrastructure deal?

    I liked parts of Trump’s State of the Union; then I remembered his presidency
    In his speech, Trump imagined the president he hasn’t been.

    I liked when he called on the country to "reject the politics of revenge, resistance, and retribution, and embrace the boundless potential of cooperation, compromise, and the common good." But then I remembered America is only 10 days past the longest government shutdown in history, which Trump triggered when he refused to compromise or cooperate with Democrats. And I remembered that Trump's acting chief of staff just said the president is willing to do it again.

    I liked when Trump said, “I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever, but they have to come in legally.” But then I remembered that Trump killed an immigration deal — one he had agreed to, and that would have given him his wall while protecting DREAMers — because it didn’t cut legal immigration to the country.

    I liked when Trump described his tax plan as “a massive tax cut for working families.” But then I remembered that more than 80 percent of its benefits went to the top 1 percent.

    I liked when Trump said that he had “launched an unprecedented economic boom, a boom that has rarely been seen before.” But then I remembered that job growth was exactly as fast before he took office, and he was calling those numbers “phony” and “false” until the day he took credit for them.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...019-fact-check

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    Media is People*


    Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos Says National Enquirer Publisher Extorted Him Over Photos : NPR

    “Bezos wrote that AMI intends to publish the personal photos "unless Gavin de Becker and I make the specific false public statement to the press that we 'have no knowledge or basis for suggesting that AMI's coverage was politically motivated or influenced by political forces.' "

    https://www.npr.org/2019/02/07/69255...personal-photo

    Ronan Farrow Says Jeff Bezos Isn't The Only One AMI Tried To Blackmail | HuffPost Canada

    “Farrow has written extensively about AMI’s “catch and kill” practice, in which the publisher buys stories in order to bury them, and how such measures benefited Pecker’s pal, Donald Trump, in the 2016 presidential campaign. AMI has entered into a non-prosecution agreement with federal prosecutors in New York and is cooperating in the investigation into its payment to former Playboy model Karen McDougal to suppress a story about her claimed affair with Trump. “

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0a502ca347c0c



    *what detective Frank Thorn might have thought
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    Democrat presidential candidate endorsed by white supremacist: https://nypost.com/2019/02/05/rep-tu...om-david-duke/

    Can't believe there are still people like this.

    And she rightfully disavowed him (just like Trump disavowed him).

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    Note: MrOilers ignores the AMI blackmail letter, the efforts of Trump backers to foster fake news and Trump's lies and self promotion in the SOTU speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Note: MrOilers ignores the AMI blackmail letter, the efforts of Trump backers to foster fake news and Trump's lies and self promotion in the SOTU speech.
    You don't need to post just to jump on my dick. Please stick to the thread topic.

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    Leave your stubby out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    That headline opportinity was like manna from heaven for them!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post

    This will be a classic!!!!

    Wouldn’t you absolutely love to be going to university now or in coming years to study any of marketing, political science, psychology, propaganda, or any number of other subjects where all this material will be referenced and analyzed!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Millions of supporters... but that number keeps getting lower and lower and lower and lower...

    https://morningconsult.com/2019/02/0...ow-in-january/
    WHOA! That must be true!

    I mean, it has graphs and it's on a website and everything!!!



    Sorry, but I don't believe it.

    Also, a huge LOL at your assertion that Republicans are a "far right" party or that Democrats are "near right" (whatever that means!).
    I know this is just part of the character you've made yourself into, but I'll say it again. The lack of understanding of the political spectrum is one of the more maddening aspects of modern debate. Politically, the Dems are centre at best, and more likely slightly to the right, and the GOP is indeed far right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Democrat presidential candidate endorsed by white supremacist: https://nypost.com/2019/02/05/rep-tu...om-david-duke/

    Can't believe there are still people like this.

    And she rightfully disavowed him (just like Trump disavowed him).
    Wrong thread. This is for Trump discussion, not Tulsi Gabbard discussion.

    You seem to get lost quite frequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Note: MrOilers ignores the AMI blackmail letter, the efforts of Trump backers to foster fake news and Trump's lies and self promotion in the SOTU speech.
    You don't need to post just to jump on my dick. Please stick to the thread topic.
    Ha! I didn't see this post when I wrote my previous post. You're telling someone to stay on topic when you litter the tread with non-sequiturs and off-topic misdirecting posts. Your commitment to the character is admirable, but you're making it almost too obvious. Keep 'em guessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattagame View Post
    Politically, the Dems are centre at best, and more likely slightly to the right, and the GOP is indeed far right.
    You are crazy if you believe Bernie Sanders is a right-winger and all Republicans are far-right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post

    This will be a classic!!!!

    Wouldn’t you absolutely love to be going to university now or in coming years to study any of marketing, political science, psychology, propaganda, or any number of other subjects where all this material will be referenced and analyzed!!!
    I imagine it is no different than this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Whattagame View Post
    Politically, the Dems are centre at best, and more likely slightly to the right, and the GOP is indeed far right.
    You are crazy if you believe Bernie Sanders is a right-winger and all Republicans are far-right.
    That is one of the worst arguments I've read for anything, ever. It's like saying the Oilers don't suck because Connor McDavid plays for them. If you think that Bernie Sanders is representative of the Democratic party, you're crazy. Or maybe you forgot that the party wigged out and submarined hid White House bid because his moderate left ideals terrified them.

    Feel free to PM me if you're thinking of making a post so we can discuss beforehand, because your batting average is making Michael Jordan's baseball career look like Ty Cobb.

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    Sanders is an Independent, not a Democrat. he just ran for the Dem nomination as is his right under the laws of the land.

    The longest-serving Independent in congressional history, he was first elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1990 and caucuses with the Democratic Party, enabling his appointment to congressional committees and at times giving Democrats a majority.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

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    You are correct.
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    Jamal Khashoggi murder: Trump refuses Congress demand for report, violates Magnitsky Act

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.bbc....anada-47182567

    The Trump administration has refused to respond to a request from Congress to provide a report determining who killed the Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

    Senators wrote in October demanding the murder be investigated and that the White House give more information.

    An administration official said the president was within his rights to decline to act.

    Khashoggi was killed after entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in October last year.

    He was a strong critic of the Saudi government. His body was reportedly dismembered and has still not been found.

    US intelligence officials have reportedly said such an operation would have needed the approval of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

    Is this the end of Saudi prince's honeymoon?
    Why the Khashoggi crisis is far from over
    And on Saturday Baroness Helena Kennedy, member of a UN team of international experts who visited Turkey to investigate the murder, told the BBC the murder was planned at the highest level.

    But Saudi officials insist he was murdered by a "rogue" team of Saudi agents not acting on the prince's orders.

    An administration statement said Mr Trump "maintains his discretion to decline to act on congressional committee requests when appropriate".

    However, Democratic senators told the New York Times the president was in breach of the so-called Magnitsky Act, which requires a response within 120 days to requests from Senate committee leaders. That deadline passed on Friday.
    Trump hates investigative reporters.
    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 09-02-2019 at 12:44 PM.
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    So much so that he doesn't care about or even supports the Saudi's murder of one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post

    This will be a classic!!!!

    Wouldn’t you absolutely love to be going to university now or in coming years to study any of marketing, political science, psychology, propaganda, or any number of other subjects where all this material will be referenced and analyzed!!!
    I imagine it is no different than this forum.
    Well. It’s pretty obvious that any previous concepts of man being rational are now pretty much in the trash heap of silly old academic theories.

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    This could get very interesting:

    “government entities”


    The National Enquirer faces nuclear annihilation and Jeff Bezos is the mushroom cloud | The Star

    “As Bezos pointed out in his post on Medium, “the top people” at the Enquirer recently approached him. And here’s where it gets insidious: they wanted him to make false public statements in exchange for not publishing more of the texts they mysteriously obtained, texts his personal investigators now believe came from “government entities.” (If true, this is a bigger scandal than Russian collusion.)”

    ...
    “After Bezos made these threats public on Thursday, others, including the New Yorker’s Ronan Farrow, came forward to say they too had received similar threats from the Enquirer. And the picture that emerged was crystal clear: this is a publication with no journalistic ethics, a publication run by a cabal of treacherous grifters, each armed with an axe to grind on behalf of powerful allies.

    Those closest to Bezos now believe the original piece was a political hit job.
    ...”

    https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...oom-cloud.html

    Last edited by KC; 09-02-2019 at 02:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post

    Well. It’s pretty obvious that any previous concepts of man being rational are now pretty much in the trash heap of silly old academic theories.
    Today on Twitter.


    We have a great economy DESPITE the Obama Administration and all of its job killing Regulations and Roadblocks. If that thinking prevailed in the 2016 Election, the U.S. would be in a Depression right now! We were heading down, and don’t let the Democrats sound bites fool you!

    https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1094243546834657281

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    I just heard Elizabeth warren ( the fraud) She sounded out of it..no way would she win
    Cory Booker, ? LOL.. I can't

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    Her speech was about 1000 times more authentic, with real goals and far more interesting than Trump's State of the Union...
    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 09-02-2019 at 09:48 PM.
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    So, above, two listeners with two different perspectives on how she sounded. However, neither comment provides any substance. My guess is that’s the case because there’s nothing memorable or even of substance in these speeches.

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    Wrong. Do you want an entire commentary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    So, above, two listeners with two different perspectives on how she sounded. However, neither comment provides any substance. My guess is that’s the case because there’s nothing memorable or even of substance in these speeches.
    She's said sorry twice for saying she's a native American, she lies about her heritage, who does that and why. Her speech? The usual,she's good, Trump bad..
    I have friends that vote Democrate and they cannot stand these two. They liked Kamala Harris, but she wants to kill ALL health insurance jobs and then they lose many many jobs..they have no plan, just to hate Trump..( shrug)

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    The president of the United States made a joke about the trail of tears, and just to remove any doubt his son advocates for genocide. I'm honestly speechless at this point, this is disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    I just heard Elizabeth warren ( the fraud) She sounded out of it..no way would she win
    Cory Booker, ? LOL.. I can't
    Have you ever actually listened to Trump (the fraud)?

    Biggest crowd at inauguration (nope). Muslims celebrating in New Jersey on 9/11. (nope). He's a billionaire (nope). Has never settled in a lawsuit (nope). Didn't pay of his mistresses (nope). No business in Russia (nope).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Sanders is an Independent, not a Democrat. he just ran for the Dem nomination as is his right under the laws of the land.
    Following that logic, it's the same reason Trump ran as a Republican.

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    I think it is very important for the Democrats to press forward with their Green New Deal. It would be great for the so-called “Carbon Footprint” to permanently eliminate all Planes, Cars, Cows, Oil, Gas & the Military - even if no other country would do the same. Brilliant!
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...75749279248385

    He is hilarious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    So, above, two listeners with two different perspectives on how she sounded. However, neither comment provides any substance. My guess is that’s the case because there’s nothing memorable or even of substance in these speeches.
    She's said sorry twice for saying she's a native American, she lies about her heritage, who does that and why. Her speech? The usual,she's good, Trump bad..
    I have friends that vote Democrate and they cannot stand these two. They liked Kamala Harris, but she wants to kill ALL health insurance jobs and then they lose many many jobs..they have no plan, just to hate Trump..( shrug)
    Well, I don’t see admitting to errors or lies as morally inferior to trying somehow to weasel out of paying any price for them. Others often knowingly deny or even double down on their lies and errors as an offensive tactic to both escape accountability and win at any cost.

    As for liking the candidates, isn’t that irrelevant to the process because most party loyalists will go to any length to suppress their personal suspicions, discomforts and moral uneasiness with any winning candidate and even develop a liking for whoever represents their side, while of course developing a hatred for potentially far more likeable and even superior candidates in any opposing camps? It’s just that that old cultish, self-brainwashing thing that happens when seizing power is all that matters.

    On the health insurance jobs, I’m not following this stuff but the US health care system offers massive amounts of choice. Choice always sounds great and the competition from it in many fields creates great technological and other advances, but having choice means you also have to accept a whole lot of redundancy and outright duplication and therefore waste and inefficiency. Then there’s the additional waste created by competive marketing processes and inevitable losses the competition creates.

    Think of two car makers both going after some market. If the nature of the production process will only sustain one efficient production plant but two are built, one competitor will be a loser and all the plant construction, spending, marketing and other investment will be completely wasted effort. Nonetheless the competitive process in creating all this waste, creates lots of jobs.

    Whenever society chooses to reduce choice with the aim of improving overall capital allocation and economic efficiency the transition attacks vested interests and massive amounts of employment based on desires for choice and competition.

    The following concept isn’t novel and I doubt there’s anyone on earth that doesn’t agree with it, when it suits them:


    “To optimize the whole, we must sub-optimize the parts.”
    — W. Edwards Deming

    It can also be misapplied to quash individualism and crush progress.
    Last edited by KC; 10-02-2019 at 09:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I think it is very important for the Democrats to press forward with their Green New Deal. It would be great for the so-called “Carbon Footprint” to permanently eliminate all Planes, Cars, Cows, Oil, Gas & the Military - even if no other country would do the same. Brilliant!
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...75749279248385

    He is hilarious!
    No, he is a fool.

    Everything from him is extreme. From calling himself a billionaire worth $10B to claiming that the Green Deal would eliminate cows.

    He deliberately uses hyperbole to extremes of farce and you sick it up as facts.
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    More of Trump's "fine people"

    Three arrested in Florida in violent scheme targeting undocumented immigrants; four more at large



    A complex and horrific conspiracy targeting undocumented immigrants has been uncovered in South Florida, and it relies heavily on Donald Trump’s cruel immigration policies. A group of seven criminals in Davie, a town of 91,000 that’s roughly 25 miles north of Miami, kidnapped, beat, and robbed an unnamed man on Feb. 2, and threatened him with deportation if he went to the police after they released him.


    “It is believed that this group is targeting undocumented immigrants and robbing them for their cash,” Davie Sgt. Mark Leone said. “We believe that they target these undocumented immigrants because they are less likely to report being a victim of a crime to the police.”

    ---

    It’s that latter part that applies to the Davie case, and so many others. Many undocumented immigrants fear going to the very people charged with protecting our communities, because they’re afraid they’ll be held on an ICE detainer, even if they’re the victim of a crime.


    This fear is what that septet of violent kidnappers in South Florida was banking on. They captured their victim after Natalie Rebecca Williams, 34, accosted him at a stop sign at about 9 p.m. on Saturday, Feb. 2. She asked him for a ride, and when he declined, a man stepped in front of his pickup truck, blocking his escape. Williams brandished a gun, and both of the abductors got into the truck. They then forced the man to drive them to a mobile home, also in Davie, where five other men were waiting.


    There, the victim was blindfolded and tied to a chair and beaten. They took almost $1400 cash from the man’s wallet, as well as an estimated $4000 in tools he had in his truck. They also took his ATM card and threatened him with death if he didn’t give them a valid PIN number.


    The group repeatedly threatened to kill him if he went to the police and said he would be deported for being an illegal alien. Williams added she would tell police he tried to rape her, the report stated.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-more-at-large
    Last edited by kkozoriz; 10-02-2019 at 11:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Sanders is an Independent, not a Democrat. he just ran for the Dem nomination as is his right under the laws of the land.
    Following that logic, it's the same reason Trump ran as a Republican.
    He ran as a Republican as Republican voters were more likely to fall for the con due to their alignment with his racist and misogynist platform. You are right that he's not a true representative of the Republican party, much like Sanders isn't representative of the Dems, but the key difference is that Sanders was rejected by the Dems, whereas the Republicans can't help from fellating Trump at every turn. Now that would likely not be the case had he not won, but the point is that these single characters don't necessarily reflect the character of the party - ergo, GOP=far right, and Democrats=centre right.

    This changes over time, but that is where they sit on today's political spectrum. Failure to understand that is failure to provide any value in political discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattagame View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Sanders is an Independent, not a Democrat. he just ran for the Dem nomination as is his right under the laws of the land.
    Following that logic, it's the same reason Trump ran as a Republican.
    He ran as a Republican as Republican voters were more likely to fall for the con due to their alignment with his racist and misogynist platform.
    You are so wrong (and super judgmental).

    Trump ran as a Republican because he knew the Democrat primaries were rigged. He knew that Hillary Clinton was going to be their candidate no matter who else was running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    More of Trump's "fine people"

    Three arrested in Florida in violent scheme targeting undocumented immigrants; four more at large



    A complex and horrific conspiracy targeting undocumented immigrants has been uncovered in South Florida, and it relies heavily on Donald Trump’s cruel immigration policies. A group of seven criminals in Davie, a town of 91,000 that’s roughly 25 miles north of Miami, kidnapped, beat, and robbed an unnamed man on Feb. 2, and threatened him with deportation if he went to the police after they released him.


    “It is believed that this group is targeting undocumented immigrants and robbing them for their cash,” Davie Sgt. Mark Leone said. “We believe that they target these undocumented immigrants because they are less likely to report being a victim of a crime to the police.”

    ---

    It’s that latter part that applies to the Davie case, and so many others. Many undocumented immigrants fear going to the very people charged with protecting our communities, because they’re afraid they’ll be held on an ICE detainer, even if they’re the victim of a crime.


    This fear is what that septet of violent kidnappers in South Florida was banking on. They captured their victim after Natalie Rebecca Williams, 34, accosted him at a stop sign at about 9 p.m. on Saturday, Feb. 2. She asked him for a ride, and when he declined, a man stepped in front of his pickup truck, blocking his escape. Williams brandished a gun, and both of the abductors got into the truck. They then forced the man to drive them to a mobile home, also in Davie, where five other men were waiting.


    There, the victim was blindfolded and tied to a chair and beaten. They took almost $1400 cash from the man’s wallet, as well as an estimated $4000 in tools he had in his truck. They also took his ATM card and threatened him with death if he didn’t give them a valid PIN number.


    The group repeatedly threatened to kill him if he went to the police and said he would be deported for being an illegal alien. Williams added she would tell police he tried to rape her, the report stated.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-more-at-large

    My god. Florida is full of the worst people.

    That article is biased as hell, though. "Donald Trump’s cruel immigration policies"? Give us a break. He is literally just encouraging enforcement of the laws that already exist.

    This is why nobody trusts the news anymore. They don't report - they try to argue.
    Last edited by MrOilers; 10-02-2019 at 04:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    So, above, two listeners with two different perspectives on how she sounded. However, neither comment provides any substance. My guess is that’s the case because there’s nothing memorable or even of substance in these speeches.
    She's said sorry twice for saying she's a native American, she lies about her heritage, who does that and why. Her speech? The usual,she's good, Trump bad..
    I have friends that vote Democrate and they cannot stand these two. They liked Kamala Harris, but she wants to kill ALL health insurance jobs and then they lose many many jobs..they have no plan, just to hate Trump..( shrug)
    Well, I don’t see admitting to errors or lies as morally inferior to trying somehow to weasel out of paying any price for them. Others often knowingly deny or even double down on their lies and errors as an offensive tactic to both escape accountability and win at any cost.

    As for liking the candidates, isn’t that irrelevant to the process because most party loyalists will go to any length to suppress their personal suspicions, discomforts and moral uneasiness with any winning candidate and even develop a liking for whoever represents their side, while of course developing a hatred for potentially far more likeable and even superior candidates in any opposing camps? It’s just that that old cultish, self-brainwashing thing that happens when seizing power is all that matters.

    On the health insurance jobs, I’m not following this stuff but the US health care system offers massive amounts of choice. Choice always sounds great and the competition from it in many fields creates great technological and other advances, but having choice means you also have to accept a whole lot of redundancy and outright duplication and therefore waste and inefficiency. Then there’s the additional waste created by competive marketing processes and inevitable losses the competition creates.

    Think of two car makers both going after some market. If the nature of the production process will only sustain one efficient production plant but two are built, one competitor will be a loser and all the plant construction, spending, marketing and other investment will be completely wasted effort. Nonetheless the competitive process in creating all this waste, creates lots of jobs.

    Whenever society chooses to reduce choice with the aim of improving overall capital allocation and economic efficiency the transition attacks vested interests and massive amounts of employment based on desires for choice and competition.

    The following concept isn’t novel and I doubt there’s anyone on earth that doesn’t agree with it, when it suits them:


    “To optimize the whole, we must sub-optimize the parts.”
    — W. Edwards Deming

    It can also be misapplied to quash individualism and crush progress.
    I never asked you what you thought of Warren, you asked me. She will never be president, never,..

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    Nope. Didn’t ask you either. Just stated my observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    More of Trump's "fine people"

    Three arrested in Florida in violent scheme targeting undocumented immigrants; four more at large



    A complex and horrific conspiracy targeting undocumented immigrants has been uncovered in South Florida, and it relies heavily on Donald Trump’s cruel immigration policies. A group of seven criminals in Davie, a town of 91,000 that’s roughly 25 miles north of Miami, kidnapped, beat, and robbed an unnamed man on Feb. 2, and threatened him with deportation if he went to the police after they released him.


    “It is believed that this group is targeting undocumented immigrants and robbing them for their cash,” Davie Sgt. Mark Leone said. “We believe that they target these undocumented immigrants because they are less likely to report being a victim of a crime to the police.”

    ---

    It’s that latter part that applies to the Davie case, and so many others. Many undocumented immigrants fear going to the very people charged with protecting our communities, because they’re afraid they’ll be held on an ICE detainer, even if they’re the victim of a crime.


    This fear is what that septet of violent kidnappers in South Florida was banking on. They captured their victim after Natalie Rebecca Williams, 34, accosted him at a stop sign at about 9 p.m. on Saturday, Feb. 2. She asked him for a ride, and when he declined, a man stepped in front of his pickup truck, blocking his escape. Williams brandished a gun, and both of the abductors got into the truck. They then forced the man to drive them to a mobile home, also in Davie, where five other men were waiting.


    There, the victim was blindfolded and tied to a chair and beaten. They took almost $1400 cash from the man’s wallet, as well as an estimated $4000 in tools he had in his truck. They also took his ATM card and threatened him with death if he didn’t give them a valid PIN number.


    The group repeatedly threatened to kill him if he went to the police and said he would be deported for being an illegal alien. Williams added she would tell police he tried to rape her, the report stated.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-more-at-large

    My god. Florida is full of the worst people.

    That article is biased as hell, though. "Donald Trump’s cruel immigration policies"? Give us a break. He is literally just encouraging enforcement of the laws that already exist.

    This is why nobody trusts the news anymore. They don't report - they try to argue.
    I’ve watched a few TV shows and movies in my life and coercion of illegal immigrants through threat of deportation is even an old old TV and movie script writer plot device. So I suspect that a case or two of illegal immigrants being victimized may have occurred before Trump was elected. Maybe that it - just maybe.


    This is an interesting read. I know nothing about any bias in the writing of it but on first pass it seems like a somewhat objective attempt to assess the issues.


    Immigration and Crime
    Assessing a Conflicted Issue

    By Steven A. Camarota and Jessica M. Vaughan on November 18, 2009


    “This report explores the question of immigration and crime and finds that there is very little conclusive data to inform the well-entrenched views on both sides of the debate. We reviewed the major academic and government reports on the topic and found that these studies lead to contrary conclusions about immigration and crime. Moreover, the crime or incarceration data that do exist often are of limited value because they are unrepresentative in some way. It is also difficult to conclude much about crime associated with legal immigrants versus illegal immigrants. However, there is some indication that illegal immigrants...”


    https://cis.org/Report/Immigration-and-Crime
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    Impeachment finally..oh, it's Fairfax and it's in Virginia.

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    More of Trump's "fine people"

    Three arrested in Florida in violent scheme targeting undocumented immigrants; four more at large



    A complex and horrific conspiracy targeting undocumented immigrants has been uncovered in South Florida, and it relies heavily on Donald Trump’s cruel immigration policies. A group of seven criminals in Davie, a town of 91,000 that’s roughly 25 miles north of Miami, kidnapped, beat, and robbed an unnamed man on Feb. 2, and threatened him with deportation if he went to the police after they released him.


    “It is believed that this group is targeting undocumented immigrants and robbing them for their cash,” Davie Sgt. Mark Leone said. “We believe that they target these undocumented immigrants because they are less likely to report being a victim of a crime to the police.”

    ---

    It’s that latter part that applies to the Davie case, and so many others. Many undocumented immigrants fear going to the very people charged with protecting our communities, because they’re afraid they’ll be held on an ICE detainer, even if they’re the victim of a crime.


    This fear is what that septet of violent kidnappers in South Florida was banking on. They captured their victim after Natalie Rebecca Williams, 34, accosted him at a stop sign at about 9 p.m. on Saturday, Feb. 2. She asked him for a ride, and when he declined, a man stepped in front of his pickup truck, blocking his escape. Williams brandished a gun, and both of the abductors got into the truck. They then forced the man to drive them to a mobile home, also in Davie, where five other men were waiting.


    There, the victim was blindfolded and tied to a chair and beaten. They took almost $1400 cash from the man’s wallet, as well as an estimated $4000 in tools he had in his truck. They also took his ATM card and threatened him with death if he didn’t give them a valid PIN number.


    The group repeatedly threatened to kill him if he went to the police and said he would be deported for being an illegal alien. Williams added she would tell police he tried to rape her, the report stated.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-more-at-large

    My god. Florida is full of the worst people.

    That article is biased as hell, though. "Donald Trump’s cruel immigration policies"? Give us a break. He is literally just encouraging enforcement of the laws that already exist.

    This is why nobody trusts the news anymore. They don't report - they try to argue.
    I’ve watched a few TV shows and movies in my life and coercion of illegal immigrants through threat of deportation is even an old old TV and movie script writer plot device. So I suspect that a case or two of illegal immigrants being victimized may have occurred before Trump was elected. Maybe that it - just maybe.


    This is an interesting read. I know nothing about any bias in the writing of it but on first pass it seems like a somewhat objective attempt to assess the issues.


    Immigration and Crime
    Assessing a Conflicted Issue

    By Steven A. Camarota and Jessica M. Vaughan on November 18, 2009


    “This report explores the question of immigration and crime and finds that there is very little conclusive data to inform the well-entrenched views on both sides of the debate. We reviewed the major academic and government reports on the topic and found that these studies lead to contrary conclusions about immigration and crime. Moreover, the crime or incarceration data that do exist often are of limited value because they are unrepresentative in some way. It is also difficult to conclude much about crime associated with legal immigrants versus illegal immigrants. However, there is some indication that illegal immigrants...”


    https://cis.org/Report/Immigration-and-Crime
    Yes but in the past you didn't have the President of the United States demonizing undocumented immigrants, particularly to the extent that Trump does.

    Just like there have been Nazi marches in the past but I don't recall any POTUS calling them "fine people".

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    Illegal aliens (undocumented immigrants, whatever you want to call them) are law-breakers. They are breaking the law by not following immigration laws. Nothing wrong with demonizing someone for breaking the law.

    The president has every right to enforce established laws. If it hurts someone's feelings, maybe they should follow the law like the majority of American peoples' ancestors did when they immigrated to the USA.

    Trump has never bad-mouthed immigrants. Only the law-breakers.
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    You lie.

    He has painted Mexicans with broad strokes, saying the majority are criminals.

    When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
    Trump and xenophobia explained

    The Trump phenomenon is better understood as an amalgam of three different, largely pathological strains in American history and culture... The first and perhaps most obvious strain is hostility toward immigrants... In the 1850s, the American Party, labeled the 'Know-Nothings' by its opponents, accused Irish and German Catholics of being agents of the pope and a threat... Later in the century, white workers on the Pacific coast led a mass campaign against Chinese newcomers, whom they blamed for undercutting wages... Federal lawmakers affirmed their bigotry by excluding any Chinese laborers... In the 1920s, fears of Slavs, Jews, Italians, and others suspected of being hostile to America's white 'Nordic' heritage persuaded Congress to impose quotas that all but banned immigrants... Trump’s attacks on 'rapists and murderers' crossing the southern border and on potential Muslim terrorists jetting across the Atlantic belong to this long and ignominious tradition.

    Michael Kazin, "Trump in Context" (14 December 2015), Dissent Magazine


    When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis
    More than 150 years ago, it was the Irish who were refugees forced into exile by a humanitarian and political disaster.
    https://www.history.com/news/when-am...refugee-crisis
    The maltreatment of newcomers to the United States was, of course, hardly a cross for the Irish to bear on their own. However, while the number of German immigrants entering the United States nearly matched that of the Irish during the 1850s, the Irish were particularly vilified by the country’s Anglo-Saxon Protestants whose ancestors had explicitly made their exodus across the ocean to find a refuge from papism and ensure their worship was cleansed of any remaining Catholic vestiges. Feelings toward the Vatican had softened little in the two centuries following the sailing of the Mayflower. The country’s oldest citizens could still personally remember when America was an English colony and papal effigies were burned in city streets during annual Guy Fawkes Day celebrations.


    Americans cheering the burning of an Irish Catholic Church


    Painting depicting the burning of an Irish Catholic church in Maine. (Credit: National Gallery of Art)


    Xenophobia runs deep in American history









    A cartoon from 1889 illustrates perfectly the anti-Irish sentiments of the period. Entitled “The Mortar Of Assimilation—And The One Element That Won’t Mix” it appeared in Puck magazine and shows Irish Americans as the one unruly ethnicity that refuses to integrate into the melting pot of American citizenship.

    America, portrayed by a worried looking woman wearing the star spangled banner, is mixing the melting pot with a spoon entitled ‘Equal Rights’ but despite her best efforts the one nation that refuses to be mixed is an ape like Irishman wielding a knife and wearing a fearsome expression.
    Such a view was not an uncommon one in the 19th century. Many worried that large influxes of Irish Catholics would change the inherently Protestant nature of the United States and stereotypes that the Irish were drunken louts were prevalent.
    https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/h...gazine-cartoon

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    ^^Though Trump has never had a problem hiring undocumented immigrants to work at his golf resorts.

    https://www.fastcompany.com/90302491...rs-says-lawyer

    Nor are all undocumented immigrants illegal. For example, refugees fleeing persecution have the legal right to temporarily stay in a country until their claim is heard by an impartial tribunal.

    There are numerous examples from history of irregular migration. Whether it was Jews fleeing Nazi persecution before the Second World War, or the coffin ships of desperate Irish refugees fleeing the potato famine arriving on Canadian and US shores, the story of immigration has not always been one of following the laws that were then in place.

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    Even Faux News is calling out Trump

    FOX NEWS HOST CALLS OUT TRUMP'S 'HYPOCRISY' DUE TO UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS WORKING AT HIS GOLF RESORT
    https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-tr...resort-1325715

    Fox News host Chris Wallace pressed Donald Trump’s Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney on the president’s “apparent hypocrisy” in light of published reports that his golf resort had hired undocumented immigrants for many years.

    “The Washington Post reports, this weekend, that the Trump golf club in New Jersey has employed a steady stream of illegal immigrants for years, and that the managers at the club knew they were illegal,” Wallace pointed out on Fox News Sunday as he interviewed Mulvaney. “How do you explain this apparent hypocrisy by president Trump and by his business?”


    Mulvaney said it was “a fair question” but told Wallace that the Trump Organization would have to answer it. He said that the Trump White House was “not involved in the operation of those facilities.”

    While the president may not currently be involved in the operations of his business, his children are. Trump also publicly opposed undocumented immigrants long before he took office. His 2016 presidential campaign’s most prominent slogan was “build the wall,” with Trump routinely railing against undocumented migrants for taking jobs from American workers, and for committing crimes. Data shows, however, that immigrants, whether legal or illegal, commit crimes at lower rates than those born here.


    Despite Trump’s rhetoric demonizing undocumented migrants, his businesses have hired them. A series of reports by The Washington Post detailed how the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey, allegedly knowingly hired undocumented migrants. Many were fired last month as the government was kept in shutdown over $5.7 billion in funding Trump had demanded for a border wall.


    “For me, moving to the U.S. wasn’t a very drastic change,” Costa Rican national Mauricio Garro, 36, who worked in maintenance at Trump’s golf course for five years, told The Post. “My whole town practically lived there.”


    “Many of us helped him get what he has today,” Dario Angulo, 34, who said his home was built with “Trump money” told the newspaper. “This golf course was built by illegals,” he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    He has painted Mexicans with broad strokes, saying the majority are criminals.
    No he didn't.

    That's just how YOU choose to interpret it.

    He is talking about the ones who are actual criminals (like gang members), and how other countries allow (send) them to the USA instead of keeping them in their own countries.

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    Yes he did and you know it. He only said "some" are good people and of those, he only 'assumes' rather than stating that he knows. In other words, he knows that they are criminals and is only guessing that a fraction are good people and admits he does not know a single one.
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    I heard exactly what he said, and I know exactly what he meant. It was blunt, and it clearly blamed criminal gangs and crooked politicians who try to dump their problem people onto America's lap. It wasn't sinister towards the majority of law-abiding immigrants at all.

    I get that you don't like the guy. In fact, I understand that.

    However, the fact that you need to interpret words in the absolute worst way possible and jump to the very worst conclusions in your own head in order to make him sound racist is pathetic. You are deliberately making it sound prejudiced and racist because you can't think of anything to criticize about his actual policies. Cut it out.

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    Don't worry, Trump does not need my help in making himself sound racist. He does all too well every time he tweets.

    He lies that El Paso was the most dangerous place in the US until they built a few portions of wall. The wall was built in 2008 but crime fell in 2003.

    Even the mayor of El Paso says Trump lies



    El Paso, Texas, Mayor Dee Margo says President Donald Trump was incorrect when he claimed in his State of the Union address that crime in El Paso went down after a border wall was constructed.

    Trump made the claim last week in his State of the Union Address when he said El Paso "used to have extremely high rates of violent crime -- one of the highest in the country, and considered one of our nation's most dangerous cities."
    "Now, with a powerful barrier in place, El Paso is one of our safest cities," Trump said.
    CNN noted at the time that the connection was inaccurate, and Margo, a Republican, told CNN's Poppy Harlow and Jim Sciutto on "Newsroom" Monday that the drop in crime came prior to the barrier construction, and that Trump was "wrong" when he claimed otherwise.
    El Paso is a Texas border city adjacent to Mexico's Ciudad Juarez. Margo said while Trump was right to call El Paso safe, he was wrong to attribute its drop in crime to the construction of a barrier along the border -- a remark he said Trump had echoed from Texas GOP Attorney General Ken Paxton.
    "If people had contacted me about our attorney general's remarks, I would have corrected it at that time," Margo said.
    Margo said El Paso was safe "going back to 2005," before the construction of border fencing.
    "The barrier went up, and the fence went up, and it's only about ten miles long," Margo said. "And the total fencing in the El Paso sector is about 78 miles. And it's not continuous. Now it's part of the process for border security, but it's not the total panacea."
    In a tweet responding to the speech, Margo said the fencing had "impacted illegal immigration and curbed criminal activity" but was not the "sole deterrent."

    The facts are that immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born Americans.

    Source, the CATO Institute (you know, that extreme left wing socialist think tank that is in hillary's pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post

    The facts are that immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born Americans.
    The fact is that 100% of illegal aliens are already criminals.

    Stop conflating immigration with illegal immigration. It's dishonest.

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    Refugees are not breaking the law. They are not criminals.

    https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...-united-states
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_asylum



    UNHCR: People Seeking Asylum Have Legal Right to Enter US
    https://www.voanews.com/a/people-see...y/4622526.html
    GENEVA —
    The UN refugee agency indicates Washington is on shaky legal ground in barring Central American asylum seekers from entering the United States. The UNHCR reports people fleeing persecution and violence have a right to international protection.


    The UN refugee agency does not question the sovereign right of any nation to control its borders. But, it does say international law governs the way countries must behave toward refugees and asylum seekers.
    The UNHCR says it recognizes the arrival of thousands of Honduran migrants in the caravan at the U.S. borders will be overwhelming. But, Spokesman Charlie Yaxlie says closing the border to the caravan is not a solution and will likely cause harm to those who have a legitimate fear for their lives.


    “We wish to reiterate and underline that any individuals within that group that are fleeing persecution and violence, they need to be given access to territory and they need to be allowed to exercise their fundamental human rights to seek asylum and have access to refugee status determination procedures,” he said.


    Yaxlie says this principle is not only set out in international law but is also part of the national legislation of all countries concerned. He says it is important for governments to follow the law. He tells VOA the U.S. has not always stuck to the letter of refugee law.
    If crossing the border and claiming asylum is the worst thing they do, it does not constitute a threat to the United States.


    You are steeped in hatred and know nothing of international or US law.
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    Stop conflating refugees with illegal aliens. It's dishonest.

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    According to Trump, everyone is illegal who crosses the border.

    It's not me who is conflating the issue, explain your concerns to clueless Trump himself.

    Are there not asylum seekers being detained and families being split up?

    To quote Dickens;

    "Have they no refuge or resource?" cried Scrooge.
    "Are there no prisons?" said the Spirit, turning on him for the last time with his own words. "Are there no workhouses?"
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    Heh! Can't wait to see the Trump memes on this:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47244338
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    Trump's boasting of 13,000 Foxconn manufacturing jobs is now a failure. Now only 1,000 jobs may result, mostly intends to hire mostly engineers and researchers rather than the manufacturing workforce the project originally promised. Many fear that even those jobs could eventually be outsourced out of State and out of the US.

    Foxconn exec: “We’re not building a factory” in Wisconsin
    https://capitolfax.com/2019/01/30/fo...-in-wisconsin/


    * Reuters…


    Foxconn Technology Group is reconsidering plans to make advanced liquid crystal display panels at a $10 billion Wisconsin campus, and said it intends to hire mostly engineers and researchers rather than the manufacturing workforce the project originally promised. […]


    [Louis Woo, special assistant to Foxconn Chief Executive Terry Gou, told Reuters] the company was still evaluating options for Wisconsin, but cited the steep cost of making advanced TV screens in the United States, where labor expenses are comparatively high. […]


    Rather than a focus on LCD manufacturing, Foxconn wants to create a “technology hub” in Wisconsin that would largely consist of research facilities along with packaging and assembly operations, Woo said. It would also produce specialized tech products for industrial, healthcare, and professional applications, he added. […]


    “In Wisconsin we’re not building a factory. You can’t use a factory to view our Wisconsin investment,” Woo said.


    Earlier this month, Foxconn, a major supplier to Apple Inc., reiterated its intention to create 13,000 jobs in Wisconsin, but said it had slowed its pace of hiring. The company initially said it expected to employ about 5,200 people by the end of 2020; a company source said that figure now looks likely to be closer to 1,000 workers.
    Wisconsin’s Foxconn Debacle Keeps Getting Worse
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/curre...-getting-worse

    When it was signed, less than two years ago, the deal that Wisconsin struck with the electronics giant Foxconn contained all kinds of headline-grabbing numbers: the company promised a ten-billion-dollar investment in the state, a new 21.5-million-square-foot campus for manufacturing L.C.D. screens, and as many as thirteen thousand new jobs, paying an average wage of fifty-four thousand dollars a year. The manufacturing facility would be the Taiwan-based company’s first U.S. factory, and the prospect stirred the hopes of a region that still dreams of clawing back the middle-class factory jobs that were its pride in the middle of the twentieth century and that it lost to foreign competition long ago. As Dan Kaufman wrote for The New Yorker last year, the deal also appeared poised to give a boost to the reëlection prospects of Scott Walker, the conservative Republican who was then Wisconsin’s governor, who transformed the state into a bastion of conservative, free-market politics.


    But since then Wisconsinites have found out a lot more about the $4.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies that Foxconn was promised—money the company was being given despite the dramatic cuts that the state has made, in recent years, to education, infrastructure, and other public spending—along with the pollution waivers and special legal privileges that it was granted and the bulldozing of neighborhoods that it needed to acquire the land it wanted. Many in the state soured on the deal, and, when Election Day came, in November, Walker lost to his Democratic opponent, Tony Evers, who had strongly criticized the Foxconn deal.


    Since the Foxconn deal was initially struck, it has looked worse and worse. First the company announced that it was scaling down its plan for the manufacturing facility: it would need only three thousand workers, and, because much of the production at the facility would be automated, many of the jobs would be for “knowledge workers,” not blue-collar workers. Then, on Wednesday, a company representative told Reuters, plainly, “In Wisconsin we’re not building a factory.” Although the company once planned to hire more than five thousand people by the end of 2020, it now expects the number to be closer to a thousand, and most of those will be in research and design positions. The manufacturing facility that President Trump, at a groundbreaking ceremony last year, called “the eighth wonder of the world” seems unlikely to even qualify as the eighth wonder of southeast Wisconsin.


    I spoke to Kaufman on Wednesday about the latest news. “It’s not a surprise,” he said. “But it’s still shocking.” He read to me a part of the Reuters report, in which a Foxconn official explained that, “Rather than manufacturing LCD panels in the United States . . . it would be more profitable to make them in greater China and Japan, ship them to Mexico for final assembly, and import the finished product to the United States.” Kaufman wondered how it was possible for this leading global company to just now reach this conclusion. “They’ve never been particularly forthright,” he said. “To claim that it’s news that U.S. manufacturing costs are higher—it defies belief; this is the model companies have been using for a long time.”


    What happens to the deal now is unclear. According to Reuters, Foxconn already missed certain hiring and investment goals, in 2018, that made it ineligible for tax subsidies, and a source told the news wire that the company “may be prepared to walk away from future incentives if it is unable to meet Wisconsin’s job creation and capital investment requirements.” A few weeks ago, Republicans in Wisconsin’s state legislature passed measures to limit certain powers of the governor, in anticipation of Evers taking office. One area Republican legislators targeted was the governor’s control over the economic agency that helped craft the Foxconn deal and remains the company’s liaison with the state. Reuters reported that Foxconn’s C.E.O., Terry Gou, intends to meet with Evers later this year. But certain parts of the deal are irreversible. “They’ve redirected millions of dollars of highway money to support Foxconn's project and already cleared a lot of homeowners from the area, which is one of the tragedies of this deal,” Kaufman said. “And who knows what will be built in the end? There has been no transparency at all about this deal.”
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    The reporting on this Foxconn thing could use a lot more clarity on what they've actually received from the state to date. Because as far as I can tell, they haven't gotten anything, as these kinds of deals generally have a bunch of milestones that need to be hit for incentives and tax breaks to kick in. It's still a PR disaster in every respect, but in terms of concrete consequences and cold hard cash, I'm not clear that there's much at all really.

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    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/07/surg...ction-bid.html
    Interesting..


    Pew found, in a separate report, that slightly more than two-thirds of Hispanics believe that the Trump administration's policies have been harmful to them. But a more recent NPR/Marist poll revealed Trump's approval rating among Hispanics soared from 31 percent in December to 50 percent.
    Wow! 50%!!

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